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Title: [Character] Lunarisse Aspenstar
Post by: Lunarisse Aspenstar on 01 Apr 2014, 15:47
(http://i.imgur.com/JYC6r7R.png)

Pre-Capsuleer as a Paladin enforcer two years after the assumed death of her husband to Blood Raiders.  Ceremonial dress obviously, as not terrible practical or modern for actual work.

Honestly I've been afraid to post on here.  But some info about Luna is summarized at the following link if anyone is interested (both ooc from backstage posts and an IC summation of some public materials available on her).

http://sfrim.forumotion.com/t15-lunarisse-aspenstar

As for how I RP her, I try to keep Luna in accord with this description of Amarr women in the wiki: "Amarr females tend to be class-conscious and formal in their dealings with others. Masters of subterfuge and machination, they forgive little and forget nothing. They are natural matriarchs who are fiercely protective of loved ones and obsessed with preserving the integrity of their family name. For the Amarr female, the family bond is sacred and unbreakable, persisting across generations. " 

She's the mother of four grown children who has trouble letting go and has challenges with one daughter who passed capsuleer testing and Luna is concerned about how she reflects on the family. 

She is very deferential in public to those of higher station or in the "service" and tends to be publicly circumspect with respect to IC conflicts even if behind the scenes she may be more aggressive in private.

She's not very deep theologically in terms of thought but is personally devout, "pay, pray and obey" but somewhat open to a range of interpretations of Amarr faith as long as not expressly proscribed by the Theology Council.

Other details are best left to RP, but I tried to make her more complicated than she might appear on the surface with a range of liberal/conservative views that make sense in terms of her overall character history.
Title: Re: [Character] Lunarisse Aspenstar
Post by: Lunarisse Aspenstar on 02 Apr 2014, 12:20
Updated to add some actual discussion/pictures.
Title: Re: [Character] Lunarisse Aspenstar
Post by: Publius Valerius on 02 Apr 2014, 12:48
+1 Thumbs up. Really great work. I love the picture, as well as the forum (http://sfrim.forumotion.com/t15-lunarisse-aspenstar). I think even some of the stuff should/could be here or in the official EVE forum/wiki. As I think you, Mithra and the others have some great/awesome** Ideas, which could be a really good base to toy around with further ideas.


** Awesome not in a California-style/LA-style. I mean really great. I think, or lets say I would love to pic up some Ideas... but only if it cool? Ehm... Who could I ask for permission? 
Title: Re: [Character] Lunarisse Aspenstar
Post by: Lyn Farel on 02 Apr 2014, 13:43
Nice character. I am sorry that I was eventually unable to find the time to RP with you.  :ugh:

Well, i'm definitely not a fan of such pictures of Amarr, always showcasing them as some space medieval knights with medieval weapons, but anyhow, cheers !
Title: Re: [Character] Lunarisse Aspenstar
Post by: Lunarisse Aspenstar on 03 Apr 2014, 13:03
Nice character. I am sorry that I was eventually unable to find the time to RP with you.  :ugh:

Well, i'm definitely not a fan of such pictures of Amarr, always showcasing them as some space medieval knights with medieval weapons, but anyhow, cheers !

Oh I sort of agree Lynn which is why I viewed it as "ceremonial" like many modern militaries have their day to day uniforms and their ceremonials harkening back to earlier eras.  On a personal note, it was sort of way for me to tie my pen and paper D&D Luna, and WoW Luna to this one. 

If you ever come back, SFRIM probaby has an opening for a librarian to look after it's library ;)
Title: Re: [Character] Lunarisse Aspenstar
Post by: Charles Cambridge Schmidt on 05 Apr 2014, 13:08
Ooh, looking forward to meet her, then. Really fantastic artwork, too. The forum is a nice touch; hope to see Luna around sometime soon.
Title: Re: [Character] Lunarisse Aspenstar
Post by: Lyn Farel on 05 Apr 2014, 13:50
Nice character. I am sorry that I was eventually unable to find the time to RP with you.  :ugh:

Well, i'm definitely not a fan of such pictures of Amarr, always showcasing them as some space medieval knights with medieval weapons, but anyhow, cheers !

Oh I sort of agree Lynn which is why I viewed it as "ceremonial" like many modern militaries have their day to day uniforms and their ceremonials harkening back to earlier eras.  On a personal note, it was sort of way for me to tie my pen and paper D&D Luna, and WoW Luna to this one. 

If you ever come back, SFRIM probaby has an opening for a librarian to look after it's library ;)

Thanks.

By the way if you are still interested to have me as a ghost in your corp for corp standings, just tell me :)
Title: Re: [Character] Lunarisse Aspenstar
Post by: Silas Vitalia on 08 Apr 2014, 11:22
Quite lovely artwork! Very nice to see, and I've always enjoyed keeping tabs on Lunarisse's adventures
Title: Re: [Character] Lunarisse Aspenstar
Post by: Lunarisse Aspenstar on 21 Aug 2014, 22:37
Updated to add links to extracts from Luna's Photo Albums.  Her gardens were and are an important part of her life, both pre-capsuleer and after. ((and often a place for non-space rp with her)).

http://sfrim.forumotion.com/t15-lunarisse-aspenstar#129
http://sfrim.forumotion.com/t15-lunarisse-aspenstar#130
http://sfrim.forumotion.com/t15-lunarisse-aspenstar#131

Title: Re: [Character] Lunarisse Aspenstar
Post by: Jikahr on 27 Aug 2014, 23:12
Is she nobility? She seems like a Holder for sure.

I think that the Khanid have 'Cyber Knights', so that suit of ceremonial armor might be appropriate for that. I suppose you could also say it was an ancestor, of whom the Amarrians would be most proud. I find it hard to imagine an Amarrian female wearing a suit of armor. Her husband perhaps.
Title: Re: [Character] Lunarisse Aspenstar
Post by: Lyn Farel on 28 Aug 2014, 09:46
Yes the Amarr society is rather patriarcal when it comes to duty of both sexes, but it's less the case for titles, where you can both find male and female Holders, men of the cloth and such. Though females are still a minority from what I have seen.

Though when it comes to capsuleers, this point loses most relevence. They are capsuleers.
Title: Re: [Character] Lunarisse Aspenstar
Post by: Nicoletta Mithra on 28 Aug 2014, 15:10
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Amarr males tend to be condescending towards those without faith, and possess an unflagging belief in their own superiority. Although a clear hindrance to conducting international business, it still affords them with fortitude and a great sense of purpose. Capable of bringing unwavering focus to bear on issues, they are outstanding planners, and their composure gives them the perseverance to see their plans to fruition.

Amarr females tend to be class-conscious and formal in their dealings with others. Masters of subterfuge and machination, they forgive little and forget nothing. They are natural matriarchs who are fiercely protective of loved ones and obsessed with preserving the integrity of their family name. For the Amarr female, the family bond is sacred and unbreakable, persisting across generations.

PF says nowhere that the Amarr are patriarchal. In fact - though there seem to be gender roles - these don't seem to conform to our traditional ones which we consider to be the ones of a 'patriarchal' society. Also, even in historical 'patriarchal' societies, there were times and again women that wore armor and used arms. That is the case for asian cultures like the Persians, the ancient Semites, Egyptians, Greeks - like the Spartans, where the women had to defend the city state when their men were at war campaigns - to the middle ages in which Jeanne D'Arc wasn't as special as later periods want to make us believe. In fact in the oldest known surviving fencing manual - from the 1320s - we can see a woman (St. Walpurga) fencing with sword and buckler. So even in a culture where the chivalric idea was that women are weak and need protection, it wasn't at all unthinkable for a women to learn the martial arts.

Historical societies that characterized women as 'natural matriarchs who are fiercely protective of loved ones' saw women oftentimes in military functions and even venerated goddesses of war, which were oftentimes fighting more fiercly and were more fearsome than most male counterparts, like Sekhmet, who only could be stopped by inventing beer and then having her drink it by trickery instead of the blood of the slain victims.

The Empress and a heir (Catiz) are female, which makes 2 out of the 6 (or 7,if we count Khanid) most powerful people in the Empire females. Neither Catiz nor Jamyl's background indicate that there was any opposition to their rise, because of gender roles.

I think if we find it hard to  imagine Amarr females in armor then it is because of our cultural bias.
Title: Re: [Character] Lunarisse Aspenstar
Post by: Lyn Farel on 29 Aug 2014, 03:13
That's not what I meant, actually. I just see portrayed in the eve lore almost exclusively males with titles and also the old description on Amarr and Khanid  women that were often described as in charge of the household (which isn't derogatory, was more like it's a huge source of power and responsibilities). So, these were different roles for both sexes.

However as I said I have seen mention of equally (more or less) both sexes as Holders.

But, as I said, it's not black and white, and that's merely what PF often suggest, either through the cultural bias you speak of through CCP authors, or just something else.
Title: Re: [Character] Lunarisse Aspenstar
Post by: Nicoletta Mithra on 29 Aug 2014, 04:01
I just see portrayed in the eve lore almost exclusively males with titles [...]

But, as I said, it's not black and white, and that's merely what PF often suggest, either through the cultural bias you speak of through CCP authors, or just something else.

That's a fair point. I think it's mainly because PF has mainly been written by males (or so I assume) for a primarily male audience, so that bias sneaked in through the backdoor. Also, I think it's a symptom of the patchwork PF of EVE, where every author works on his own little pet based on his own private idea of whatever faction, without there being binding outlines by which authors of PF are authoritatvely oriented in their writings.
Title: Re: [Character] Lunarisse Aspenstar
Post by: Lyn Farel on 29 Aug 2014, 04:52
Or maybe they actually viewed it as a more latin and modern patriarchal society, where roles are distinct enough for both sexes with both their strenghts and responsibilities, but with an equal claim to Holdership titles ?

Well IRL i'm no fan of such models of society, but some are, and I can perfectly understand that CCP authors wanted it that way since it's a legitimate society model for sexes that has its roots IRL too.

Or maybe that's not what they wanted at all and that's totally different ? Or maybe it varies depending on the region you are in ?

Who knows what PF really is supposed to be ?
Title: Re: [Character] Lunarisse Aspenstar
Post by: Nicoletta Mithra on 29 Aug 2014, 04:58
As I said: I think that there were different gender roles envisioned in the original sketch of the Empire, but I don't think it implied that women couldn't wear armor at all. That's why I said that historically there were lots of societies which had quite crisp distinction between the male and the female role in society, where females were none the less wearing armor and using weapons - and were sometimes even seen as the more fierce warriors (sometimes to the point where the society tried to restrict female access to martial aspects, because they feared the forces that could be unleashed, then).

Who knows what PF really is supposed to be ?
My honest opinion is that even CCP lost track of that, probably quite early in EVE's development. It's fluff for them, not an integral or important part of the game.
Title: Re: [Character] Lunarisse Aspenstar
Post by: Lyn Farel on 29 Aug 2014, 06:00
Out of curiosity, what societies are you thinking of ? I find the subject rather interesting.
Title: Re: [Character] Lunarisse Aspenstar
Post by: Nicoletta Mithra on 29 Aug 2014, 06:59
Mostly ancient cultures of the fertile crescent.
Title: Re: [Character] Lunarisse Aspenstar
Post by: Jikahr on 03 Sep 2014, 14:20
It might be hard for ME and my position of male privilege  to imagine a female Amarrian in a suit of armour though.

Yes, that's quite true.

Amarr is a society 9000 years in the future. That society might have some backwards interpretations on things such as slavery, but that doesn't mean those things extend towards gender equality. There are Nuns challenging the traditional patriarchy of the Catholic church now, who is to say such would not also happen in the future.
Title: Re: [Character] Lunarisse Aspenstar
Post by: Katrina Oniseki on 04 Sep 2014, 05:09
Reference: The Fish Speakers, from Frank Herbert's Dune.

People rely too much on the Catholic angle, and not enough on the Sci-Fi Religion angle. I think it's perfectly reasonable for Luna to be decked out on armor.
Title: Re: [Character] Lunarisse Aspenstar
Post by: Nicoletta Mithra on 04 Sep 2014, 09:01
Amarr =! Space Catholicism
Title: Re: [Character] Lunarisse Aspenstar
Post by: Lunarisse Aspenstar on 04 Sep 2014, 10:48
At this point we're beyond luna and into other things I think!

Shoos the topic off her thread to the pre-existing threads of:
http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=4768.0
http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=127.0
http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=5579.0
Title: Re: [Character] Lunarisse Aspenstar
Post by: Lunarisse Aspenstar on 30 Apr 2016, 10:53
IC BIO Posted on theIGS (with certain details left out, glossed over, etc.  Always more than the eye can see with Luna who tends be careful with her IC information)

My name is Lunarisse Aspenstar Daphiti.

I was born in a colony world in the Kor-Azor region, then after my parents were killed when a blood raider attack hit the colony, I grew up in different places with relatives.

I married and started a family. After my husband's death at the hands of blood raiders about eighteen years ago, I became a Paladin in law enforcement. A painting of my ceremonial uniform (certainly not the day to day one) was hung in "The Holy Grape" wine bar and restaurant in Emperor Family Station by a former colleague mine.

I tested positive for the capsuleer program and after study became a capsuleer about four years ago.

I started my capsuleer career as a solo industrialist. I've also been engaged as a Hostess, matchmaking, party organizer,and to provide introductions, guide to scenic locales and spiritual retreats. In that capacity I've been privileged to help plan and host birthday celebrations, wedding celebrations, bridal showers, baby showers, funerals, and other events for other capsuleers.

I eventually affiliated with the Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque where I rose in the ranks until I was given the duty as Directrix. The Society is compromised mostly of the Faithful who engage in all aspects of Capsuleer life, from exploration, missions for Empire entities, industry and markets, and combat to protect the Empire from foes internal and external. With the growth of our industrial operations some independant contractors, primarily Caldari, have also been engaged to augment our industrial operations subject to their compliance with the laws of the Empire. We've also had some members join us for the purpose of exploring Amarr Faith and Culture and in the spirit of outreach, we maintain the "The Good Word" channel.

After the Drifter assassination of the Empress, which shook me badly, SFRIM started a new membership category, Legionarius, to fly with and to support ARC. This category is for those who may not be strictly of the faith or loyal to the Empire (as is our usual criteria for membership), but who wish to put aside any differences and stand with us against the existential threat to all humanity - the Drifters.

I love to garden and be in gardens. Remembering my mother's gardens growing up at the colony world, to my cottage garden on Mekhios, to the wonderful formal gardens of Dam-Torsad, I created an exhibit at least year's New Eden Fair - Gardens of the Empire, which remains open for private tours upon request.

I also love to read and write. To encourage that among the capsuleer community, I've run the New Eden Capsuleer's writing Contest which, this year I hope, i will go into its third year.

I also enjoy activities on the beach and the ocean, which my late husband introduced me to, especially volleyball, surfing and boating.

I have a pet Sarum Shepard named 'Quark'
Title: Re: [Character] Lunarisse Aspenstar
Post by: Syagrius on 30 Apr 2016, 20:10
And she inspires men to grow beards!  :cube:
Title: Re: [Character] Lunarisse Aspenstar
Post by: Lunarisse Aspenstar on 16 May 2016, 20:45
Well.. Luna now has a mechanical left arm until she gets podded and/or reclones for whatever reason.
Title: Re: [Character] Lunarisse Aspenstar
Post by: Louella Dougans on 17 May 2016, 10:41
Well.. Luna now has a mechanical left arm until she gets podded and/or reclones for whatever reason.

 :o

that sounds serious :O
Title: Re: [Character] Lunarisse Aspenstar
Post by: Ché Biko on 25 Jun 2016, 13:35
Luna definitely sees threats from all sides these days in the wake of the Drifters and Blooder Invasions of last fall but seeks refuge in her faith.
Ché thinks it was the incident where Luna lost her arm that caused this change in personality.
Title: Re: [Character] Lunarisse Aspenstar
Post by: Lunarisse Aspenstar on 09 Aug 2016, 07:51
Luna definitely sees threats from all sides these days in the wake of the Drifters and Blooder Invasions of last fall but seeks refuge in her faith.
Ché thinks it was the incident where Luna lost her arm that caused this change in personality.

In fairness. this has been a process over the last year and half.

Lunarisse was a former Paladin, pre-capsuleer, previously dedicated to taking in those who broke the Empire and God's laws.
After a disaster in her penultimate action she lost her confidence, and was severely wounded in the last.  After recovering she tested for the capsuleer program, and was accepted, focusing on aiding the Empire as an industrialist and miner.

She was very shy and tended to be extremely risk adverse.  For example, when Silas Vitalia moved into khanid space again, Luna moved out to avoid any potential confrontation.  When she really felt.. something had to be done, she quietly paid others to do it. (e.g Stormcrows or the bounty system (such as it is))

As a result of being forced to confront both heretics and those who would selfishly challenge the Empire in increasingly more visible ways, she slowly regained her confidence and also felt it was not enough to simply stand by and encourage others to act, but also to be an actor.  Evil wins when good stand by and does nothing.  She ended up taking a much more visible role in the struggles versus the Butcher and his various facilities/schemes than she originally planned, as a result.  She also, despite her efforts, to lay low.. was confronted by other Blood Raiders, including learning that her husband may still be alive and in custody of one.

The final straw was the Drifter invasion and their brutally overwhelming assasination of the Empress.  The arm.. well it resulted in some things, but Luna quickly realized she over-reacted.  It's the Drifter threat, the Blooder arc, and the Blooder invasions of the last fall that played the largest role.
Title: Re: [Character] Lunarisse Aspenstar
Post by: Lunarisse Aspenstar on 27 Dec 2016, 10:51
Story about some key episodes in Luna's life.

http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=7211.0