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Title: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Nauplius on 06 Mar 2014, 11:30
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Jace on 06 Mar 2014, 11:41
I don't know anyone that is OOCly annoyed with you. You are playing an unlikeable character, but a consistent one. If you want a long-term arc with him, the repentance route would be a very long, long process to get back into the general Amarr community - thus allowing you to have interactions ICly reliably.

Blooder would be a bit more difficult now that Silas is gone, so there aren't many highly public Blooder/Sani players out there at the moment. But maybe you could change that. I have an alt leaning that direction.

Caldari militia would be...interesting.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Samira Kernher on 06 Mar 2014, 11:55
I personally really appreciate this post, and am glad you posted it. It helps to put things in perspective. I for one don't reject Theodicy or other darker aspects of Amarr RP (and am actually opposed to a lot of the whitewashing that goes on), and while Nauplius has been occasionally somewhat frustrating it's always because you write his posts in a very provocative fashion rather than any lore issues. Nauplius is certainly not modern orthodox (even by conservative standpoints), but everything he has done is actually quite justifiable from the extremist perspective. Especially as a kingdomer. I could see Nauplius as a Tetrimon supporter, actually.

It's been very... interesting to interact with Nauplius on Samira. He has had good arguments to support his beliefs, and as a conservative Samira's found it occasionally difficult to disagree. If not for her personal bias towards slaves (being a former one herself), I don't think she'd have nearly as much problem with him.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Morwen Lagann on 06 Mar 2014, 12:24
Gonna echo Samira, at least on the first part about it being a good thing to post here (since I'm still only ankle-deep in Amarr stuff myself), so thanks for doing that.

I don't really have any OOC issue with you or what you're doing. My only real quibble aside from what seems (to me) to be excessively provocative posting methods that come off as trolling (even if they aren't intended to be, thank you for the clarification on that btw), is that by performing all of these actions from within an NPC corp, at least on your main, you largely immunize yourself to the forms of risk that would legitimately follow Nauplius' IC behavior - effectively forcing anyone who wishes to make Nauplius answer for his 'crimes' break the law themselves to do so.

It's your decision, of course, though I think I'd probably be a little less annoyed if you were doing it from a player corporation - even if you were the only person in said corp - because you would be doing things in a fashion that embraces the fact that your character's actions have consequences and risks associated with them.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Nauplius on 06 Mar 2014, 12:38
...Nauplius is certainly not modern orthodox (even by conservative standpoints), but everything he has done is actually quite justifiable from the extremist perspective. Especially as a kingdomer. I could see Nauplius as a Tetrimon supporter, actually...

Yes, I should probably clarify that although Nauplius has IC-accused people of being liberal, decadent, and such, and claiming that he is orthodox, I recognize OOC that he was just barely so up until the "Two and a Half Minutes Hate" point and reactionary/extremist thereafter.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Alizabeth on 06 Mar 2014, 12:46
Personally, I think that Nauplius was well in orthodoxy, except for the hell bit, which he acknowledged IC.  I liked the darker aspect of the Amarr, as so many people RP the liberal side of the Amarr.
You're right that sacrificing 1 million slaves is a line that was crossed and bravo for crossing it in such a splendid manner. (This is my inner goon speaking.)
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Katrina Oniseki on 06 Mar 2014, 12:52
Uninvolved Caldari player here.

I think it's awesome you are coming out of the woodwork and announcing yourself like this. It really helps with the perspective. With all the sockpuppets and trolls this community has suffered, it's sometimes a knee-jerk temptation to accuse wildly controversial characters of being one. Having an OOC line of communication open is, in my opinion, a very important step.

Random question though, and I admit as my character had no bone to pick with your threads, I wasn't reading them in detail. Was the "hell" thing an honest OOC mistake, or was it something intentional IC, or was it something that actually has merit in PF? I'm not totally up to snuff on Amarr RP.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Samira Kernher on 06 Mar 2014, 13:00
Personally, I think that Nauplius was well in orthodoxy, except for the hell bit, which he acknowledged IC.  I liked the darker aspect of the Amarr, as so many people RP the liberal side of the Amarr.
You're right that sacrificing 1 million slaves is a line that was crossed and bravo for crossing it in such a splendid manner.

Yes, you're right. While at the edge he was within orthodoxy in a lot of ways which is what made him interesting/difficult to argue with. It was pretty neat with all the back-and-forth quoting of Scriptures.

I have to give kudos to you, Nauplius, for you defending your points so well. Threw me for a loop at times.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Samira Kernher on 06 Mar 2014, 13:01
Was the "hell" thing an honest OOC mistake, or was it something intentional IC, or was it something that actually has merit in PF? I'm not totally up to snuff on Amarr RP.

It actually has merit. If not for the one mission that says that Amarr don't believe in the concept of hell, there are actually more sources implying it exists than not.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Katrina Oniseki on 06 Mar 2014, 13:24
Hmm. Well, see that's more reading into it than I would have known. Hence why I don't let my character say much on your threads. :D
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Nauplius on 06 Mar 2014, 13:27
...performing all of these actions from within an NPC corp, at least on your main, you largely immunize yourself to the forms of risk that would legitimately follow Nauplius' IC behavior - effectively forcing anyone who wishes to make Nauplius answer for his 'crimes' break the law themselves to do so.

It's your decision, of course, though I think I'd probably be a little less annoyed if you were doing it from a player corporation - even if you were the only person in said corp - because you would be doing things in a fashion that embraces the fact that your character's actions have consequences and risks associated with them.

Fair enough.  In my defense, I only made Nauplius into a KOS-level enemy of any Amarr characters with the slave execution, but I'll have to look into the corporation management skills and see what I have to do to make Nauplius more KOS-able.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Lunarisse Aspenstar on 06 Mar 2014, 17:09
Thank you for the Post from the character luna loves to hate IC (to use a bad analogy, I sort of see him as a westboro baptist Amarr).  I enjoyed the insight in the character (and interested to see that "C" may be changing due to her experiences with the Stonites).   From an OOC point of view, I have been impressed by the effort you did make to make it hang together plus doing actions in space which is something I feel strongly about should be done when possible in rp.  For the future, well some of his IGS comments of late definitely have had a sani sabik vibe and it would't be too hard for him to go that route if he chose. I am too tired to quote them specifically but if you read the PF and eve wiki on sani sabik some of the lines are close to verbatim why they sacrifice folks!
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Drakolus on 06 Mar 2014, 19:35
Obligatory RABBLE!

After glossing over your IGS post, my first thought was "I hope this guy has one hell of a fire proof suit." 

Anyways, welcome and props to you for choosing the "difficult" road as it were :)
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Synthia on 07 Mar 2014, 09:46
I quite like how Nauplius's topics cause a lot of upset amongst many people.

Blooder would be a bit more difficult now that Silas is gone, so there aren't many highly public Blooder/Sani players out there at the moment.

Is CTCS invisible or something ?
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Jace on 07 Mar 2014, 09:50
I quite like how Nauplius's topics cause a lot of upset amongst many people.

Blooder would be a bit more difficult now that Silas is gone, so there aren't many highly public Blooder/Sani players out there at the moment.

Is CTCS invisible or something ?

I honestly had no idea what you folks were about. Had no idea it was Sani/BR.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: genofunk on 07 Mar 2014, 21:00
We Sani Sabik would love for Nauplius to join us!
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Silas Vitalia on 07 Mar 2014, 22:29
Moustache-twirling can be a difficult thing to do.  I failed at it often, and it's easy to give other players much eye roll.

I think anyone pulling that kind of thing IC would not be in the good graces of either Kingdom nor Empire.

The people who get into the hard core killing masses of slaves/whatever would have to be extremely underground about it, if they actually publicly admit to that behavior and shout it to the entire IGS claiming to be a loyalist they'd probably be hauled off to the loony bin if they ever leave their station safety environments in Kingdom or Empire. 

CONCORD would protect you as a capsuleer while docked, but if you went planetside in Kingdom or Empire high sec I would expect unpleasant responses from the authorities.

From what I recall any of the more 'dastardly' Amarr behavior in the modern era is always done under layers and layers of deniability and far away from the public eye.  Slave holders don't jump on the public news channels and talk about mass murder or they'd have hell to pay



Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: V. Gesakaarin on 08 Mar 2014, 02:02
I think a few good tvtropes for an aspiring villain to read are:

Narm (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Narm)

Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DarknessInducedAudienceApathy)

Wangst (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Wangst)

A lot of the reason I've never really taken the fiction written by Tony G too seriously is that practically everything he's written, and especially regarding the Amarr and Caldari, suffers from the above. There's one thing to have "bad guys" and then there's making things so contrived, so melodramatic, so histrionic, and so overplayed that you end up being unable to take them seriously because they've managed to reach the point of just being so stereotypical and poorly executed they enter the realm of absurdity.

But I guess that's fine, I mean that's basically the definition of say, 1960's era comic book villains. However, I think society has moved on in some respects from accepting the concept of villains being evil just because they're evil which can be seen in the development of series like the Watchmen, or X-Men which explored more nuanced concepts about society, people, and good or evil.

I suppose it depends what you prefer out of Eve in playing a villain. And to take the comic book analogy further as example, whether you prefer the villains from Batman and Robin (http://youtu.be/YkTHtWX7CCY?t=20s) or if you prefer the villains from the Dark Knight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wQXSd1Jbqc).

Because there's a difference to me in execution with those examples, and personally I think I prefer the Dark Knight so I just tend to shrug and move on with people who base their characters on the work of Tony G because it usually comes off as trying too hard, poorly executed, and sometimes unlike Batman and Robin which was intentionally meant to be cheesy, those characters actually seem to come off to me as unintentionally cheesy. Which almost makes it amusing, really.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Jace on 08 Mar 2014, 07:19
I think a few good tvtropes for an aspiring villain to read are:

Narm (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Narm)

Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DarknessInducedAudienceApathy)

Wangst (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Wangst)

A lot of the reason I've never really taken the fiction written by Tony G too seriously is that practically everything he's written, and especially regarding the Amarr and Caldari, suffers from the above. There's one thing to have "bad guys" and then there's making things so contrived, so melodramatic, so histrionic, and so overplayed that you end up being unable to take them seriously because they've managed to reach the point of just being so stereotypical and poorly executed they enter the realm of absurdity.

But I guess that's fine, I mean that's basically the definition of say, 1960's era comic book villains. However, I think society has moved on in some respects from accepting the concept of villains being evil just because they're evil which can be seen in the development of series like the Watchmen, or X-Men which explored more nuanced concepts about society, people, and good or evil.

I suppose it depends what you prefer out of Eve in playing a villain. And to take the comic book analogy further as example, whether you prefer the villains from Batman and Robin (http://youtu.be/YkTHtWX7CCY?t=20s) or if you prefer the villains from the Dark Knight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wQXSd1Jbqc).

Because there's a difference to me in execution with those examples, and personally I think I prefer the Dark Knight so I just tend to shrug and move on with people who base their characters on the work of Tony G because it usually comes off as trying too hard, poorly executed, and sometimes unlike Batman and Robin which was intentionally meant to be cheesy, those characters actually seem to come off to me as unintentionally cheesy. Which almost makes it amusing, really.

Gonna make a villain from Hellblazer. Because yes.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Louella Dougans on 08 Mar 2014, 09:12
Also, isn't Nauplius a Khanid Zealot ? Zealots generally have extreme opinions
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Rin Kaelestria on 08 Mar 2014, 12:25
Also, isn't Nauplius a Khanid Zealot ? Zealots generally have extreme opinions

He actually stated recently on the IGS that he's a Unionist.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Odelya on 08 Mar 2014, 14:47
Also, isn't Nauplius a Khanid Zealot ? Zealots generally have extreme opinions

He actually stated recently on the IGS that he's a Unionist.
Too bad!

I am not active at all at the moment, but Nauplius got my attention and I find his posts entertaining and all. The only thing I can tell from my experience that nonconformist paths usually lead to a relatively lonely corner. But who wants to be a conformist? :yar:
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Jace on 08 Mar 2014, 22:08
I'll conform to anyone who gives me a cookie.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Silas Vitalia on 10 Mar 2014, 09:09
I think the more interesting question for RPers and for lore people:

is if a capsuleer loyalist would be permitted to 'get away' with certain behaviors (for any faction).

Can an Amarr loyalist capsuleer murder a million slaves in public and walk around freely on Amarr Prime?

Can a Minmatar capsuleer sell a million slaves in public and walk around on Pator?

I think CONCORD would protect them in-station.  On the empires' turf they'd be in handcuffs.



Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Jace on 10 Mar 2014, 09:11
I think the more interesting question for RPers and for lore people:

is if a capsuleer loyalist would be permitted to 'get away' with certain behaviors (for any faction).

Can an Amarr loyalist capsuleer murder a million slaves in public and walk around freely on Amarr Prime?

Can a Minmatar capsuleer sell a million slaves in public and walk around on Pator?

I think CONCORD would protect them in-station.  On the empires' turf they'd be in handcuffs.

I think it absolutely would make sense, but as usual: if the player doesn't want to RP that, there's nothing we can do about it.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Silas Vitalia on 10 Mar 2014, 09:24
Well it gets to the age-old eve RPer dilemma;

It all goes back to CONCORD and the Empires and the player-capsuleers.  What are the extends of freedom, abuse of power, and law-breaking.


For law-abiding types (or on Earth when people have power and money), shady dealings tend to happen behind the scenes.   Everyone might know someone is a crook and a gangster, but they look clean in public even if they have blood on their hands in private.

I think N. could do all of those things as a loyalist but might make sense for it to be more 'nuanced' in the PR. 

"Those slaves are off-world at one of my private estates"

"Sometimes accidents happen in transport! We are saddened, etc"

 
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Jace on 10 Mar 2014, 09:35
Well it gets to the age-old eve RPer dilemma;

It all goes back to CONCORD and the Empires and the player-capsuleers.  What are the extends of freedom, abuse of power, and law-breaking.


For law-abiding types (or on Earth when people have power and money), shady dealings tend to happen behind the scenes.   Everyone might know someone is a crook and a gangster, but they look clean in public even if they have blood on their hands in private.

I think N. could do all of those things as a loyalist but might make sense for it to be more 'nuanced' in the PR. 

"Those slaves are off-world at one of my private estates"

"Sometimes accidents happen in transport! We are saddened, etc"

He's kind of left that notion behind with his IGS posting.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Samira Kernher on 10 Mar 2014, 09:58
Nauplius has had legal protection for the most part as a Kingdomer. If he were an Imperial it would have been a lot more conflicted. But as kingdom slave holders have free reign to do whatever they want with their property, the only consequence Nauplius might have gotten 'on the ground' would have been the social faux pas issue of it.

Were he Imperial, and a Holder (thus having legal right to hold slaves), I expect he would have had to deal with inquiries and action from his liege lord and possibly the Speakers of Truth. Capsuleers aren't immune to punishment on the ground, this is said in lore sources. The moment they step out of CONCORD-managed areas they come under the authority of local law. But it is up to the player themselves to RP that.

Nauplius' recent posts on the forum seem to say that he is recognizing that his new Blooder angle is getting him into planetside straights, which is cool.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Silas Vitalia on 10 Mar 2014, 10:43
Hadn't kept up with the IGS, so if outed blooder then that will go a different direction.

Is he still in the 24th?

Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Samira Kernher on 10 Mar 2014, 10:44
He is.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Silas Vitalia on 10 Mar 2014, 10:46
Well, the 24th has always had issues with recruiting proper religious types  8)

Bein' a FW loyalist ain't easy, yo. 

Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Nauplius on 10 Mar 2014, 11:11
This probably isn't the best character to explore the consequences "on the ground" of maybe-criminal actions in space, as I never really represented him as "owning" very much planetside or having family besides one brother, also an Empyrean.

All that said, I do not intend to claim this character is walking around Danera V (his home) or Dam-Torsad or anywhere outside of CONCORD (or lawless) jurisdiction anymore.

Note on the "Book of Bloodletting" post:  1 Samuel 15 in the Bible provided the form, and some of the language; I went back and forth on the matter of "King James English", which is used in one of the canon Amarr Scripture passages but which I imagine is even harder than normal for non-native speakers to read. 

For the moment, I see this character as retaining his theism and the doctrine of Amarr being Chosen; the wiki seems to say that the Sani Sabek groups vary on that latter point, some of them retaining something close to mainline Amarr views on the matter.  He now differs from mainstream Amarr with an increasing interest in blood, acceptance of violent Apocryphal Scriptures, and increasing rejection of the regular religious authorities in favor of direct revelation (the mechanism of which I'll leave vague for now) and interpretation.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Dewgong on 10 Mar 2014, 20:58
Sani Sabik for life.

The Empire preaches the false god, as only the Red God is true!

Thankfully he Sani Sabik faith shares many things with the Empire's version of the Faith, using mostly the same scriptures.  Making the transition is actually rather easy, since one doesn't have to go full savage like a Raider to be Sabik.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Gaven Lok ri on 12 Mar 2014, 15:57
I wish you had gone apocalyptic rather than sani sabik oriented. That or actual hardline Tetrimon as they are in lore. Tetrimon are not the liberal types that most people play them as. See the article on them murdering freed slaves, for example.

But really a nice hardline non-EoM apocalypse is nigh cult would be a good addition to EVE. Could even write up a story of the decline and fall of the Amarr and the coming of the end times. Would also work well with the self proclaimed prophethood.

My only complaint with Nauplius is the "in 24IC" thing. Makes retaliation really hard.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Ascentior on 12 Mar 2014, 17:26
I'd like to echo earlier statements in saying thank you for this write up.

Also, now that you've come out and offered duels (which PIE can't accept btw), I thought I'd chime in here.
I've contacted the relevant authorities (Grand Inquisitor) to try and get them to name Nauplius a Heretic and confirm him as a false prophet. With the intention of using their damnation of the character to get 24th IC to boot him.
This was done before I was aware of this thread, and was a natural IC response from Ascentior - feed them to the authorities - as well as an experiment to see if public heresy by both proclamation and actions is enough to get the actors to get involved.

I'll keep you updated with what's happening. I really hope this is enough to have the actors do something meaningful.
Also, thank you for the conflict driver. Also a shame to see you go all blood drinker though.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Tiberious Thessalonia on 12 Mar 2014, 18:09
I'd like to echo earlier statements in saying thank you for this write up.

Also, now that you've come out and offered duels (which PIE can't accept btw), I thought I'd chime in here.
I've contacted the relevant authorities (Grand Inquisitor) to try and get them to name Nauplius a Heretic and confirm him as a false prophet. With the intention of using their damnation of the character to get 24th IC to boot him.
This was done before I was aware of this thread, and was a natural IC response from Ascentior - feed them to the authorities - as well as an experiment to see if public heresy by both proclamation and actions is enough to get the actors to get involved.

I'll keep you updated with what's happening. I really hope this is enough to have the actors do something meaningful.
Also, thank you for the conflict driver. Also a shame to see you go all blood drinker though.

Nothing is going to happen.  CCP's current philosophy is not going to allow them to start booting people out of their chosen activities due to Roleplay reasons.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Ascentior on 12 Mar 2014, 23:02
To be honest Tib, I think there's a great it's not going to get anywhere as well, but if we don't start trying, we'll DEFINITELY not get anywhere.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Nicoletta Mithra on 13 Mar 2014, 08:36
[irony]CCP: "Everything in Eve has a consequence! Except RP."[/irony]

I share the scepticism in regard to CCP-actors doing anything substantial about it. Still, kudos for trying. I agree that even if CCP doesn't do anything about it,it is still better the RP community tried to make the actors act.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Ché Biko on 13 Mar 2014, 12:41
Nothing is going to happen.  CCP's current philosophy is not going to allow them to start booting people out of their chosen activities due to Roleplay reasons.
Unless the people in question are ok with being booted for roleplay reasons, perhaps. Perhaps a proper scolding could be an alternative. :twisted:
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Nauplius on 13 Mar 2014, 16:23
Nauplius is now a member of a non-NPC corporation (whose only other member is his alt).
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Lunarisse Aspenstar on 13 Mar 2014, 16:48
Nauplius is now a member of a non-NPC corporation (whose only other member is his alt).

*hat tip* to allowing rp to have in-game consequences.

Oh and I've told my carebears in SFRIM about your mention of us in the duel invitation.  I don't think me and my battle badger would go to far  but who knows there's a few SFRIM carebears with teeth who might take you up on it and try. *giggles*

confused as to why PIE can't duel you though? can Gavin elaborate?
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Nicoletta Mithra on 13 Mar 2014, 18:08
Duels are off limits to PIE due to corporation regulations. Also, yes, kudos to you, Nauplius, for moving into a player run corp! You're bigger than CCP. ;)
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Ascentior on 24 Mar 2014, 19:23
Been trying to get back to also give a friendly nod to you. Well done for following through.
Let's hope we can make it worthwhile.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Samira Kernher on 25 Mar 2014, 01:41
We've had some pretty fun fights. Those slicer 1v1s were pretty nerve-wracking. Double heat sink fits chew through each other like paper.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Templar Ordo on 04 May 2014, 04:19
So can we expect to see Nauplius continue proclaiming his new idea of Faith?
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Graelyn on 08 May 2014, 12:54
Quote
I've contacted the relevant authorities (Grand Inquisitor) to try and get them to name Nauplius a Heretic and confirm him as a false prophet.

You know, I'm just an evemail away.  ;)
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Andreus Ixiris on 03 Jun 2014, 16:58
I've always thought that roleplay actions a character takes can and should have direct repercussions on their ability to continue interacting with certain NPC groups. One of the biggest disappointments of the short-lived and ill-fated SnipeHunts arc (beyond losing my Megathron Navy Issue to NPC actors, of course) was that Andreus fired on FIO starships in a hi-sec Federation system in defence of an outfit of criminals who'd just busted into a top-secret FIO base... and there were no repercussions from it, except Thoun Gaterau said some nasty things about him.

I'm going to say it outright - at the very least I felt like Andreus should have immediately lost his 8.0+ FIO standings. Perhaps even taken a serious Federation faction standing hit. I would have been happy with that - actions, consequences.

Likewise, it feels a little bizarre that Nauplius is going around spouting Sani Sabik scripture willy-nilly and the Amarrian authorities are like "eh." I'm not saying he should stop by any stretch of the imagination - I'm saying that the Empire should be saying he should stop.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Jikahr on 28 Aug 2014, 00:31
Before I started playing EVE, I had an idea for a character in mind. It would be something like a Dalek Nazi on meth, wearing fiberglass underwear that was three sizes too tight.

I have to say that I love reading your posts on the IGS. You and Diana Kim represent the sort of fanaticism that I had wanted to roleplay as an Amarrian Loyalist from the very beginning. Odelya does this as well.

As you and I were both in 1PG, you might recall that the role-play there was well...somewhat lacking. I unsubscribed shortly after Gangleri told Sten Mattson to give me combat lesson #1, (for the eighth time), and half way through the lesson Sten started yelling at me over voice comms. I thought to myself 'EVE is no fun'. I stopped playing, then I stopped paying.

I started reading the IGS lately, and I found your posts to be delightfully fanatical and over the top. I also like your dry wit in response to your detractors.

I will say this about Naupilus though. There seems to be a logical contradiction in your behavior. It seems as though he is torn between two different interpretations or even versions of faith. His words sound like those of a Tetrimon, even if his actions are clearly those of a Sanik Sabi.

It seems like Naupilus is at war with himself. Cognitive dissonance is possible of course, and it is also possible that reading the Apocrypha might make one go insane. Imagine spending the best years of your life as an Amarrian loyalist, only to find out that you have spent your whole life serving and believing a lie?  :bash:

There doesn't seem to be much of a central doctrine as far as Sani Sabik, and there are thousands of different sects (and hence interpretations) of that religion.

However, someone else claiming to be a Blood Raider in the IGS said that the Blood Raiders followed (I am paraphrasing) the path of indulgence, instead of abstinence. 'Sex, drugs, and rock and roll'. This is what some mystics would describe as the 'left hand path' to enlightenment. I imagine that Pirates would be more interested in that sort of thing than just a slight variation on the traditional Orthodox Amarrian religion.

I also worry about the logical inconsistency of Naupilus being part of the 24thIC. Sure, Pirates and Privateers can join the militia, but wouldn't a Blood Raider heretic be considered an enemy of the Empire? If Naupilus wanted to fight in the FW, why wouldn't he join the Caldari/ Gallente war where there would be twice as many targets and no one would know or care about his past?
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Arista Shahni on 28 Aug 2014, 00:42
As Ari would say, Naupilius is "not well" ;)  I suspect any obvious or subtle contradictions one may find are actually quite purposeful ... ;)
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Jikahr on 28 Aug 2014, 01:16
As Ari would say, Naupilius is "not well" ;)  I suspect any obvious or subtle contradictions one may find are actually quite purposeful ... ;)

What becomes of a mad Capsuleer? I'm not sure that insanity would be acceptable as an excuse for heresy, at least not within the borders of the Amarr border.

In Caldari state, Naupilus might just be another small fish in a big pond.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Arista Shahni on 28 Aug 2014, 13:11
In a way *all* Capsuleers are considered insane.  One of the things Ari (And I) has pointed out is that other than the injectable informorph book "infomorph psychology" for jumpcloning - there is no research done on *actual* infomorph pschology.  Likely a product of :EveGrimDark:.

We're also, save in the most extreme circumstances, self governing.

Ofc he's a heretic to p. much everyone else but a church of one, which is Naupilius himself.  Well!  AND his brainwashed crews. :)

The empire does nothing about heretical Capsuleers.  We dont get to talk to yellow text anymore. :(  We can't have him Stricken from The book of Records, etc., in a cool ceremony with an NPC Inquisitor, and I don''t remember how another hereticall Capsuleer was Stricken specifically but suspect the players involved in that (if it was solely players) are no longer around.

Otherwise in regards to his sanity vs religion ICly Ari has a vauge chat about him with a friend, but it's rare she spills any opinion that any gallery of any sort of nuts (peamnut or otherwise) can declare as 'professional' about a Capsuleer in public. ;)  There's a tricksy involved as Arista is a psychologist and a clergymember (that "very specific kind of clergy").   
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Ava Starfire on 29 Aug 2014, 04:50
Nappy is one of the best characters I've seen in a long time. We need less people posting, more people doing. I love to hate him, and no OOC hard feelings at all!
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Arista Shahni on 29 Aug 2014, 09:34
I do a lot of things.  Most people just don't know.

Pesky religious vows..

.. and people never asking IC...
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Aldrith Shutaq on 05 Sep 2014, 00:47
Bumping this thread for well-deserved reasons. He is creating content, in-space RP, conflict, and overall being a good sport about all of the IC hate and overwhelming firepower being brought against him. We need more like this guy!
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Nauplius on 05 Sep 2014, 19:44
There doesn't seem to be much of a central doctrine as far as Sani Sabik, and there are thousands of different sects (and hence interpretations) of that religion.

However, someone else claiming to be a Blood Raider in the IGS said that the Blood Raiders followed (I am paraphrasing) the path of indulgence, instead of abstinence. 'Sex, drugs, and rock and roll'. This is what some mystics would describe as the 'left hand path' to enlightenment. I imagine that Pirates would be more interested in that sort of thing than just a slight variation on the traditional Orthodox Amarrian religion.

I also worry about the logical inconsistency of Naupilus being part of the 24thIC. Sure, Pirates and Privateers can join the militia, but wouldn't a Blood Raider heretic be considered an enemy of the Empire? If Naupilus wanted to fight in the FW, why wouldn't he join the Caldari/ Gallente war where there would be twice as many targets and no one would know or care about his past?

EVE Source gives some commonalities among the Sani Sabik sects:  Savants, Blood, Golden Vials, (Red) God, and the Book of the Dead.  It also says they use many of the Amarr Scriptures, but interpret or emphasize different parts.  The most prominent thing that Nauplius emphasizes that mainstream Amarr doesn't, of course, is human sacrifice, which is sort-of present in the Amarr Scriptures' Molok story.  Since the Blood Raiders and other Sabik sacrifice humans, too, Nauplius hasn't wandered off canon on this one.

Source doesn't say anything about Blood Raider hedonism, but some of the fiction does, and Pleasure Hubs are found in certain Blood Raider anomalies.  This hedonistic side is Nauplius's in-character reason for not aligning more closely with the Blood Raiders.

The relationship between the Amarr and Sani Sabik is asymmetric in this respect — the Amarr really hate the Sani Sabik, but the Sani Sabik see the Amarr more as wayward and unwilling to confront the tougher parts of the faith.  That's why Nauplius can still choose to fight on the Amarr side in FW, since they are much, much closer to his beliefs than any other.  He still believes that the Amarr are Chosen, just wayward Chosen.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Arista Shahni on 06 Sep 2014, 01:19
Just slightly lax on the "number of people we throw onto the Altar of God" ;)
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Jikahr on 06 Sep 2014, 15:48
Quote
The relationship between the Amarr and Sani Sabik is asymmetric in this respect — the Amarr really hate the Sani Sabik, but the Sani Sabik see the Amarr more as wayward and unwilling to confront the tougher parts of the faith.  That's why Nauplius can still choose to fight on the Amarr side in FW, since they are much, much closer to his beliefs than any other.  He still believes that the Amarr are Chosen, just wayward Chosen.

How would this relate to what Andreaus was saying about the Amarr Navy being somewhat blase about a Sani Sabik heretic being released against the Minmatar in FW?

I suppose there are a few plausible answers. Chamberlain Karosgoth was a Blood Raider sympathizer, and he was in the upper echelons of power. Why couldn't the same be said about the Amarr Navy? An Admiral or Minister sympathizer somewhere has his own lists, and makes sure that anyone's name that comes up as 'Sani Sabik' gets quickly passed and accepted.

Furthermore, the Empress Jamyl Sarum is a clone, and a capsuleer. According to their doctrine of the sacred flesh, this is perhaps the greatest heresy of the Amarrian religion. Despite this however, it seems as though most people in Amarr (including the Navy) just don't care.

I think there is also something called the 'Emergency Militias War Powers Act'. This law states that pirates can redeem themselves by fighting for the Empire in FW.

Either these pirates are 'Privateers' with a license to kill the enemy, or perhaps they are part of a Penal company carefully watched over by Naval Cov-ops scouts with a BLOPS unit standing by in case things get out of hand.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Jikahr on 07 Sep 2014, 21:05
Sorry, but this is what I think of when Nauplius preaches to the Minmatar militia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOROvO2fxTc
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Silas Vitalia on 08 Sep 2014, 09:07
Karsoth being an undetected closet Sabik was CCP plot fail of the highest order IMO.



FW wise... open, card-carrying Sabiks are not a tolerated thing in Empire, under any circumstances.  But it's always been game mechanics fail that you can say "i hate the empire" and still fly for them.

The violence and destruction aimed at the Matari pales in comparison to how the Empire deals with internal heretics.


Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Jace on 08 Sep 2014, 09:13
Karsoth being an undetected closet Sabik was CCP plot fail of the highest order IMO.

I have to agree with this. We cannot ignore it, but I think it was a horrible decision.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Nicoletta Mithra on 08 Sep 2014, 09:20
Karsoth being an undetected closet Sabik was CCP plot fail of the highest order IMO.



FW wise... open, card-carrying Sabiks are not a tolerated thing in Empire, under any circumstances.  But it's always been game mechanics fail that you can say "i hate the empire" and still fly for them.

The violence and destruction aimed at the Matari pales in comparison to how the Empire deals with internal heretics.
+1
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Silas Vitalia on 08 Sep 2014, 09:29
Karsoth being an undetected closet Sabik was CCP plot fail of the highest order IMO.



FW wise... open, card-carrying Sabiks are not a tolerated thing in Empire, under any circumstances.  But it's always been game mechanics fail that you can say "i hate the empire" and still fly for them.

The violence and destruction aimed at the Matari pales in comparison to how the Empire deals with internal heretics.
+1

Being closet Sabik in the Empire is a constant, just out of reach death sentence for you and your entire extended family.  If your family spent 1500 years working up the ladder as secret "Black Nobility" types, I don't expect anything like the Karsoth plot fail going on very often.

Amarr Sabiks in power.....more like you'd meet once every few decades with masks on for 5 minutes and vanish for another few decades.  "Everything cool?" "Yes" "Ok see you in 50 years, proceed."

I imagine similar to the "Death Eaters" in Harry Potter in some ways?

Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Jikahr on 09 Sep 2014, 00:33
Karsoth being an undetected closet Sabik was CCP plot fail of the highest order IMO.



FW wise... open, card-carrying Sabiks are not a tolerated thing in Empire, under any circumstances.  But it's always been game mechanics fail that you can say "i hate the empire" and still fly for them.

The violence and destruction aimed at the Matari pales in comparison to how the Empire deals with internal heretics.
+1

Being closet Sabik in the Empire is a constant, just out of reach death sentence for you and your entire extended family.  If your family spent 1500 years working up the ladder as secret "Black Nobility" types, I don't expect anything like the Karsoth plot fail going on very often.

Amarr Sabiks in power.....more like you'd meet once every few decades with masks on for 5 minutes and vanish for another few decades.  "Everything cool?" "Yes" "Ok see you in 50 years, proceed."

I imagine similar to the "Death Eaters" in Harry Potter in some ways?

Could you compare this in any way to the RL Anti-Semitic propaganda of medieval Europe and persecution of the Jews by the Catholic church?

During the Spanish Inquisition, the Catholic church certainly tried very hard to weed out, stamp out, torture and convert as many Jews as they can, all in the name of their God. Understandably, the Jews often either fled for their lives or became 'Crypto-jews' (such as Nostradamus), keeping their identity a secret.

Despite 1,500 years of persecution and a small, landless population, the Jewish nation as a whole survived. Many Jews strategically make themselves indispensable to the Royal courts and society as a whole by becoming middle class professionals such as Doctors, Lawyers, scholars, etc.

Similarly, if Karsoth had somehow placed himself in an indispensable role (perhaps with help from Blood friends), he might have managed to allay suspicions and bypass security measures for a little while, anyways.

Consider this from the perspective of the 'Jewish world conspiracy' myth ala 'Protocols of the Elders of Zion'.

The Blood Raiders are trying to occupy key positions in order to control the Empire like a giant chessboard. It might just make Karsoth's deep infiltration of the Royal court story seem a little more plausible. (In an Illuminati New World Order James Bond super villain sort of way). Hypnosis, drugs, ancient technology, sorcery, who knows what tricks Karsoth might have had up his sleeve?

The myth about the Jewish 'Blood Libel', also somewhat ties into the religious use of Blood by the Sani Sabik, although perhaps that's not relevant.

Conversely, perhaps Karsoth called it as he saw it, denounced the heresy of a capsuleer of cloned flesh being an Empress, and the Empress simply had him framed up on a charge of Sani Sabik and executed him.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Louella Dougans on 09 Sep 2014, 00:55
the thing about Karsoth is that...

In the Empire, a position such as the Court Chamberlain, there would be many, many people looking to gain that position, because of the opportunity to advance their House's interests - a Holder family with extensive shipyard holdings would gain from a new program of naval construction, as an example.

So, Karsoth would have been being spied upon, not just by any MIO agents or other Empire internal security, but also, by agents of all of the rivals for the position.

And none of them ever saw anything ?
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Silas Vitalia on 09 Sep 2014, 08:55
The Blood Raiders are trying to occupy key positions in order to control the Empire like a giant chessboard. It might just make Karsoth's deep infiltration of the Royal court story seem a little more plausible. (In an Illuminati New World Order James Bond super villain sort of way). Hypnosis, drugs, ancient technology, sorcery, who knows what tricks Karsoth might have had up his sleeve?

I very much imagine some amount of deep infiltration in the Empire's elite with some 'OG' Sabiks who have managed to keep affiliation under wraps for hundreds of years.

I just don't imagine it anywhere near looking like Karsoth was portrayed, with such open amounts of fail and outright barely hiding villianry that would have been found out immediately.

Also with that sort of thing its always the 3rd or 4th in command outside of the main spotlight that's actually pulling strings, not the person in the figurehead position (Karsoth). 


It's not there anymore, but one of the things that originally drew me to Amarr RP was very much that 'chessboard' feel; the idea that the Empire was not some monolithic FW entity, but a constantly changing quicksand (well not quicksand for amarr, more like, slowly moving sand for hundreds and hundreds of years) of political family dynasties and alliances, taking generations to plot and scheme and ruin each other socially and get their offspring into the right positions, with grudges lasting hundreds of years and matriarchs ruining entire families and solar systems because their niece was insulted at a ballroom dance by some Udorian upstart 300 years ago. 
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Arista Shahni on 09 Sep 2014, 14:57
A bit of Amrr RP can still be like that, but for the last many months, the Amarr chess-timer has been ticking, or at least, the current game is over with no clear winner.

That or both players have gotten up for a drink.

Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Jikahr on 09 Sep 2014, 18:57
the thing about Karsoth is that...

In the Empire, a position such as the Court Chamberlain, there would be many, many people looking to gain that position, because of the opportunity to advance their House's interests - a Holder family with extensive shipyard holdings would gain from a new program of naval construction, as an example.

So, Karsoth would have been being spied upon, not just by any MIO agents or other Empire internal security, but also, by agents of all of the rivals for the position.

And none of them ever saw anything ?

Not to mention that we presently have the technology to put spy cameras and hidden microphones in every room, and we can even detect emotions on a brain scan. Imagine what they would have 8000 years from now.

I would imagine that since cloning technology works by scanning a picture of your mind and uploading it to a clone, the technology would probably also exist to be able to see what a person is thinking. They wouldn't even have to kill you, just look at the brain scan, notice what the person was thinking about and doing, and block the incoming signal to your replacement clone.

According to the PF, the Empress herself is apparently able to read everyone's mind, except in Genesis around the EVE gate. Would Karsoth believe that or not? Even if he didn't, why do the faithful still believe she can if she couldn't read the thoughts of someone in her proximity?

Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Esna Pitoojee on 09 Sep 2014, 21:06
According to the PF, the Empress herself is apparently able to read everyone's mind, except in Genesis around the EVE gate. Would Karsoth believe that or not? Even if he didn't, why do the faithful still believe she can if she couldn't read the thoughts of someone in her proximity?

I'll just address this real fast - the reason behind this is explained a bit more in Templar One, and it's not just straight-up mind reading:

Spoiler (hover to show)
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Lyn Farel on 10 Sep 2014, 02:41
There is that kind of shit in the PF now ?

lol.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Arista Shahni on 10 Sep 2014, 08:18
Somehow I knew you'd say that, Lyn.

:Twilight Xone Theme Here: ;)


/me runs away!
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Lyn Farel on 10 Sep 2014, 12:31
huehuehueh
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Gaven Lok ri on 15 Sep 2014, 13:28
A bit of Amrr RP can still be like that, but for the last many months, the Amarr chess-timer has been ticking, or at least, the current game is over with no clear winner.

That or both players have gotten up for a drink.

I would say that it may be important to read the development and propagation of the image of a relatively monolithic Amarr bloc as a *long* series of moves on that chessboard.

Also, I still think Nauplius should start going apocalyptic. It would go well with the self proclaimed prophet thing. http://http-server.carleton.ca/~jopp/3850/3-3.htm is a decent model.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Jace on 15 Sep 2014, 13:29
A bit of Amrr RP can still be like that, but for the last many months, the Amarr chess-timer has been ticking, or at least, the current game is over with no clear winner.

That or both players have gotten up for a drink.

I would say that it may be important to read the development and propagation of the image of a relatively monolithic Amarr bloc as a *long* series of moves on that chessboard.

Oh snap.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Lunarisse Aspenstar on 15 Sep 2014, 18:03
A bit of Amrr RP can still be like that, but for the last many months, the Amarr chess-timer has been ticking, or at least, the current game is over with no clear winner.

That or both players have gotten up for a drink.

I would say that it may be important to read the development and propagation of the image of a relatively monolithic Amarr bloc as a *long* series of moves on that chessboard.

Also, I still think Nauplius should start going apocalyptic. It would go well with the self proclaimed prophet thing. http://http-server.carleton.ca/~jopp/3850/3-3.htm is a decent model.

In all honesty I think both Samira and Luna were afraid he'd try something Wagnerian (like a smart bombing battleship or using his purifier) after his 2nd temple went down and Samira moved to the hangars.  That didn't materialize but it was a definite concern.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Nauplius on 16 Sep 2014, 06:31
Also, I still think Nauplius should start going apocalyptic. It would go well with the self proclaimed prophet thing. http://http-server.carleton.ca/~jopp/3850/3-3.htm is a decent model.

Apocalyptic is an option.  Thing is, the advantage of the stuff I've been doing, the slave sacrifices, is that there's an in game trade good (Slaves) and a variety of containers to blow them up in (ships, freight containers, anchorables).  Taking Nauplius in a different direction probably means less support from game mechanics versus slave-related content.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Gaven Lok ri on 16 Sep 2014, 13:39
I think you can expand on the Nauplius premise while staying in mechanics. The thing about Apocalypses is that they have conditions that are supposed to happen before the end times come, so you can do things like write in the destruction of the towers as part of the conditions that must be fulfilled before the Red God returns in the Ark and ends time. Ect. Then of course as time goes by and the apocalypse does not happen, then you have to update the narrative with new conditions.

I linked the Pseudo-Methodius excerpts because those provide a good example of people using defeats as a sign that a great victory is soon to come.

I definitely am not suggesting that you back down from the slave stuff, I like what you are doing quite a bit there, rather I think an apocalyptic direction would add a nice depth to what you are already doing. :)
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Jikahr on 16 Sep 2014, 22:26
If you did go full apocalyptic, would the Equilibrium of Mankind seem like a more appropriate group than the Blood Raiders?

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Equilibrium_of_Mankind
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Silas Vitalia on 17 Sep 2014, 08:14
Koro and co. did some substantial lore building with the EoM, and seemed to have picked and prodded out every bit of Imperial history dealing with them along the way.  Some very interesting stuff related to the EVE gate and the 'fall' of civilization and the role of the EoM faithful to correct what they see as the current imbalances.

With Nauplius though, I'm curious more about the ideology? Is he Omir and Raider aligned? Is this more of a 'Red God' sect?  I haven't been keeping up on posts but I'm wondering what the next layer is after the killing etc of the heathens?




Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Mizhara on 17 Sep 2014, 08:20
There's more to Nappy's Blooder thing than... you know, bleeding? I haven't caught any actual red god/sani sabik stuff in his posts yet.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Silas Vitalia on 17 Sep 2014, 08:25
I've seen shoutouts for 'red god' but I haven't caught much specific ideology.

That's Naupilius' choice of course what to share and not share IC. 

One does sometimes have to worry about twisting that mustache particularly hard in public though depending on whats behind it.

Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Anyanka Funk on 17 Sep 2014, 08:52
He has stated that he is against the current Omir regime of Blood Raiders and that he wants the Amarr to join with the Covenant, but without the covenant's tattooed members, minmatar members, or pleasure hubs.

So his ideology, it would seem, is that he is an Amarrian that believes in red god instead of Amarr god.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Gaven Lok ri on 17 Sep 2014, 12:34
If you did go full apocalyptic, would the Equilibrium of Mankind seem like a more appropriate group than the Blood Raiders?

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Equilibrium_of_Mankind

See, the problem with going EoM is that EoM should be *one* apocalyptic group out of many in Amarr. EoM can certainly use more development, but they shouldn't hoover up all apocalyptic tendencies. Amarr has clear scriptures pointing to an triumphal eschatology, and when you have something like that in the core scriptures, you aren't going to get just one group of apocalyptic types.

Also EoM isn't really compatable with Nauplius' prophet of God narrative. EoM has its own apocalyptic prophet, it doesn't need a new prophet figure.

Basically, I think that EoM-like movements with a brand new prophet figure should be popping up just about every other generation, especially when things start going wrong.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Arista Shahni on 17 Sep 2014, 18:04
Naupilius throws the word 'hell' around a lot, which is why I'd assumed he has some mishmosh of EoM and Sani Sabik in his head.

He certainly is his own creature. :)

and yus, Arista mourns for his soul.  \o/
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Nauplius on 19 Sep 2014, 06:39
The inclusion of "Slave Blooding Laboratories" in the "Temples to the Red God" were an move toward getting Nauplius a more practical, scientific supply of blood that could have been directed toward health purposes along the lines of Blood Raider practices.  As it stands, he does not have the ability to make blood useful beyond ritual purposes.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Gaven Lok ri on 22 Sep 2014, 08:46
On topic: I really like Nauplius' new tactic of using mobile depots as billboards saying things like "PIE worships Molok"
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Lunarisse Aspenstar on 22 Sep 2014, 08:56
On topic: I really like Nauplius' new tactic of using mobile depots as billboards saying things like "PIE worships Molok"

I thought that was pretty funny. It made me giggle.  I also suspect (not being a user of them) a notice might get sent when they got shot up?
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Lucas Raholan on 22 Oct 2014, 13:47
You are correct Luna
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Elmund Egivand on 22 Oct 2014, 19:35
The inclusion of "Slave Blooding Laboratories" in the "Temples to the Red God" were an move toward getting Nauplius a more practical, scientific supply of blood that could have been directed toward health purposes along the lines of Blood Raider practices.  As it stands, he does not have the ability to make blood useful beyond ritual purposes.

Remind me again if there is any reason why Nauplius doesn't poach anyone who has the know-how from the Blood Raiders.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Valadeus on 03 Nov 2014, 16:46
I just want to point out that Liam is vehemently opposed to and extremely repulsed by Nauplius every time he's had the displeasure of conversing with him.

But it is all entirely IC, I tend to avoid saying negative things about anyone OOC and generally give people the benefit of the doubt. :)
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Alabath Schmidt on 13 Nov 2014, 14:50
I have lots of fun seeing Nauplius incite Summit. I wish I could fit some of those quotes into my bio. They're classic!
I do wish we could see more of him at the parties that everyone keeps hosting. Just his presence would stir up some fun.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Jikahr on 21 Nov 2014, 18:14
I have lots of fun seeing Nauplius incite Summit. I wish I could fit some of those quotes into my bio. They're classic!
I do wish we could see more of him at the parties that everyone keeps hosting. Just his presence would stir up some fun.

I think someone is hosting a 'Yule' party in EVE. Diana Kim was already told that no hand grenades would be allowed. Considering that the holy day of Christmas has it's origins in the pagan festival of Saturnalia, Naupilius and the Blood Raiders should fit right in. Saturnalia involved human sacrifice, as well as a blood ritual, orgies, and the eating of human shaped biscuits.

Also, in Germany there is Krampus the Christmas devil. His red skin makes me think of the red God. The German Santa gives gifts to good children, but the bad German children get whippings by Krampus and are sometimes enslaved and led into Hell.

http://www.krampus.com/who-is-krampus.php
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Anyanka Funk on 21 Nov 2014, 18:48
I approve of this and would like Anyanka Funk to attend with any Sani Sabik that claims loyalties to Omir Sarikusa. All cohorts of Anyanka Funk attending will receive a complimentary Ashimmu available in Z3V-1W for the convoy to the event.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Sahriah Bloodstone on 13 Sep 2015, 23:14
I am necroing this because I've recently been paying more attention to the IGS and have been thoroughly amused and perhaps slightly disturbed by Naup's recent antics.

Above all I wanted to thank Naup for not only the forum entertainment, but for actually creating content ingame. Sadly I have not made it to the recent tower bashes due to both TZ and the lack of a IC reason, but I have been watching closely and was glad to see a OOC chat on him here.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Elmund Egivand on 16 Sep 2015, 10:09
I am necroing this because I've recently been paying more attention to the IGS and have been thoroughly amused and perhaps slightly disturbed by Naup's recent antics.

Above all I wanted to thank Naup for not only the forum entertainment, but for actually creating content ingame. Sadly I have not made it to the recent tower bashes due to both TZ and the lack of a IC reason, but I have been watching closely and was glad to see a OOC chat on him here.

Naup is the only capsuleer who is willing to play a villain that people can actually kneecap. Yeah, sure, he is basically a Saturday Morning Cartoon villain but that's the only kind of villain who gets kneecap'ed once a week.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Sahriah Bloodstone on 17 Sep 2015, 00:14

Naup is the only capsuleer who is willing to play a villain that people can actually kneecap. Yeah, sure, he is basically a Saturday Morning Cartoon villain but that's the only kind of villain who gets kneecap'ed once a week.

There used to be many more 'villain' or 'bad guy' characters around when I rp'd back in 2008. I'm unsure if I'm just out of the loop now after taking such a long break, or if the pirate community is really not there anymore. I've been considering trying to revive a neutral venue for such folk but i'm not sure if people would be interested. I think more people would be willing to RP the villain if there was a community to RP with for that. It can be hard when you are just hated by everyone, especially when many people are so bad with the IC/OOC divide.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Lyn Farel on 17 Sep 2015, 03:11
Villains are hard to play if you don't want to fall into the usual bad tropes... We are not in Cities of Villains/Heroes.

A proper villain is nuanced in New Eden I feel. Unless he is completely demented of course.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Elmund Egivand on 17 Sep 2015, 03:56
Villains are hard to play if you don't want to fall into the usual bad tropes... We are not in Cities of Villains/Heroes.

A proper villain is nuanced in New Eden I feel. Unless he is completely demented of course.

But Naup is completely demented!
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Lyn Farel on 17 Sep 2015, 09:18
Oh yeah I was speaking more generally on why it's not easy to find people playing good villains or villains in general in Eve, or anywhere...
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Samira Kernher on 17 Sep 2015, 09:48
The obligation to pull fleets together and the inability to effect any lasting change or victory makes things very, very tiring and dull, frankly. There is no 'kneecapping'.

We already spend our time dealing with one unwinnable war as it is thanks to Faction Warfare.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Mizhara on 17 Sep 2015, 10:03
I honestly can't see the benefit. From an IC standpoint, every single thing done against him, and the pages upon pages of forum posts and Summit indignation towards what is effectively a minuscule drop of water in an ocean of baddies only encourages more and more of it. It does one thing and one thing only, further encouraging more and more towers, that are for all intents and purposes entirely pointless to engage.

The Empire holds and causes suffering among trillions of slaves, no one gets particularly up in arms about that. The Nation goes so far beyond the cartoonish mustache twirling villain in their abductions and treatment of people and it's largely treated as a philosophical issue. Angels and so on also cause untold horrors throughout New Eden. You don't see much IGS or Summit le gasps and horror when... say, Leo speaks.

One blooder sets up a tower with a minuscule amount of people in it, and New Eden goes nuts? Giving the blooder exactly the attention he wants and nothing you do can possibly do any good except cause another tower to pop up the next week with a new batch of slaves in it.

The only reason I can see for this is that he's simply an easy target. No one's going to have to risk anything by going against it, so they'll rawr and grr on the forums, and go bash yet another tower and claim grand victory, while the countless other baddies are sitting on the sidelines giving polite applause but seeing no action ever taken against them, because they aren't that easy to fight.

I can't see that this is really "creating content" as much as it simply distracts from everything else.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Samira Kernher on 17 Sep 2015, 10:11
Most of us who are actually shooting the towers don't claim grand victory. We rarely post anything at all anymore, honestly. Naup's threads instead tend to get filled up with posts by the peanut gallery. Frankly at this point, for me destroying a tower is like capturing a plex. It's a long, boring grind, that we're doing purely out of obligation.

It stopped being content after the first two.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Mizhara on 17 Sep 2015, 10:16
Yup, I'm referring to the community in general. It's very easy to say "No! Bad Nauplius! Feel our wrath!" and then pat oneselves on the back when PIE has finished bashing the latest tower. It'd be a bit harder to go after some actual bad guys in New Eden, than a cartoon villain. You'd risk both making enemies and actually having to fight.

PIE really should just ignore the next few towers and see if anyone else are willing to lift a finger.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Lunarisse Aspenstar on 17 Sep 2015, 11:42
In all candor, we were going to do exactly that - pass on the tower but then he made the point of saying the slaves were of Empire origin (from the mandate) so we felt icly compelled to do something.

Samira finally burned out on the one before.  This one finally burned me out.  I think if there is a next time there's a strong likeliyhood the Amarr bloc isn't going to roll out.  However, I am still a little tickled we managed to  put 4 dreads and a carrier and 30 other ships on the field to reinforce it and had similar numbers the next two nights while we reduced the tower.  The pictures are gorgeous!

Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Synthia on 17 Sep 2015, 12:12
One blooder sets up a tower with a minuscule amount of people in it, and New Eden goes nuts?

People went nuts, because it was posted about on forums, a lot. As were previous towers.

In contrast, we operated a tower in Amarr itself, for several months. But didn't post about it. Nothing happened.

you might not like it, but it seems Moustache twirling, gets things noticed.

If that's the current RP metagame, then I'm not sure what can be done.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Elmund Egivand on 17 Sep 2015, 21:05
One blooder sets up a tower with a minuscule amount of people in it, and New Eden goes nuts?

People went nuts, because it was posted about on forums, a lot. As were previous towers.

In contrast, we operated a tower in Amarr itself, for several months. But didn't post about it. Nothing happened.

you might not like it, but it seems Moustache twirling, gets things noticed.

If that's the current RP metagame, then I'm not sure what can be done.

Not to mention the towers are an easy target. Angels? You have to go sniffing around, kill it by trimming the roots. Sansha? We don't even know where they base all their operations! Drifters? We are never going to figure out exactly where they are coming from either.

Naup though? Here's a tower now go kick it! Saturday Morning Cartoon Villain stuff, but it's easy (though tedious). The target is pretty clear (and painted with bright red bullseye) and etc.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Morwen Lagann on 17 Sep 2015, 22:38
In contrast, we operated a tower in Amarr itself, for several months. But didn't post about it. Nothing happened.

At that point though, you're depending on a specific subset of players to just have d-scan open and to be hammering it with a filter that shows POS towers... and that assumes you gave it a name that would've made it clear it was yours, like the Mobile Depots.

In fairness, Amarr is also the last place I and probably many others would've expected you and yours to put up a tower.

(I might have, on that note, at one point, scouted every single moon in Araz...)
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: kalaratiri on 18 Sep 2015, 00:33
Amateur  :P

I once scouted every single moon in The Bleak Lands and lowsec Domain. It took four hours.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Morwen Lagann on 18 Sep 2015, 08:33
I had PLH when I checked Araz. I did not when I checked Nohshayess and Sib (and found over a hundred offline towers, including faction ones). :p
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Nauplius on 19 Sep 2015, 12:27
If another tower is built, it will be some months in the future.  I am aware of the potential to overdo them.

I have the option of reverting back to small towers as well.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Anyanka Funk on 19 Sep 2015, 13:58
I don't see why nauplius doesn't join forces with any other blood raider roleplayers. Not 'Sani Sabik' rpers, The Blood Raiders loyal roleplayers, like Anya and the assorted Delve inhabitants. Anya tried some different stuff by going to Anoikis. Maybe Nauplius can repent his sins like Anya did and join a respectable corporation like IKAME.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Sahriah Bloodstone on 19 Sep 2015, 19:16
I don't see why nauplius doesn't join forces with any other blood raider roleplayers. Not 'Sani Sabik' rpers, The Blood Raiders loyal roleplayers, like Anya and the assorted Delve inhabitants. Anya tried some different stuff by going to Anoikis. Maybe Nauplius can repent his sins like Anya did and join a respectable corporation like IKAME.

Naup always struck me more as EOM than BR. On that note, who are the other BR and Sani Rpers now? Its been way too long since I was in those circles.

I understand the potential to overdo tower bashing. Having played in nullsec and merc stuff I have had plenty of time doing that >_>. I appreciate that it's content though. It would be interesting if we could create some more in depth arcs across factions but I see that as very hard to do.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Anyanka Funk on 19 Sep 2015, 19:47
I haven't logged in for like a month. Last time I checked there were some PIZZA Blood Raiders in Delve and poor little old Anya and Halfrek. Maybe there are new peeps or old peeps I forgot about. No one in 'Sani Sabik' channel was a Blood Raider last I checked. As for Sani Sabik roleplayers, they are all alts so I don't really care.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Tamiroth on 30 Nov 2015, 09:52
Moustache-twirling villainy content in space for people to easily interact with is better than no content at all, so kudos to Nauplius for creating some. 
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Mitara Newelle on 30 Nov 2015, 10:49
I thought Nap was going to be a one-off villian, I'm thrilled he has stayed around for the long haul.  Good job!
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Nauplius on 03 Dec 2015, 20:23
This character could probably use a few new ideas.  Maybe the new structures will provide something, but that's still a ways off.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Samira Kernher on 03 Dec 2015, 20:58
The new structures will basically kill any counterattack, as it will no longer be possible to recover passengers from the wrecks. At least according to the dev blogs, any passengers in a station will only drop as frozen corpses.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Gaven Lok ri on 10 Dec 2015, 19:43
Is there a way to move him off of the slavery issue as only issue?

I like the golden age/blood age stuff quite a bit. But I think you have done about as much as you can with him on the slavery line.

Some symbolic way of going after the TC might be good.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Nauplius on 14 Dec 2015, 19:57
Is there a way to move him off of the slavery issue as only issue?

I like the golden age/blood age stuff quite a bit. But I think you have done about as much as you can with him on the slavery line.

Some symbolic way of going after the TC might be good.

Hmm.  Perhaps I will think about this.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Kador Ouryon on 16 Dec 2015, 16:12
I personally like that you know how to have fun with Nauplius while still remaining a rather menacing and consistent character.

Plus even if PCLAS isn't really doing anything we do get a RP a little bit the boarding of all of these structures you establish which is a valued and much appreciated link to EVE.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Sakura Nihil on 17 Dec 2015, 16:07
I'd just like to chime in that on the whole, the Nihil crew hates Nauplius.  Real, pure, distilled hatred, not seen since the days of Diana Kim's vocal support of Heth and the Provists.

OOC?  Gotta have respect for someone who plays such an outright, detestable villain.  Well done!
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Trii Seo on 20 Dec 2015, 17:31
Got to admit, conversations with Nauplius are a highlights of The Summit for me.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Havohej on 21 Dec 2015, 02:12
Got to admit, conversations with Nauplius are a highlights of The Summit for me.
Watching these is entertaining; I've only engaged with him once in direct conversation and it was fun.

As someone who's played an extremely despicable villain, I fully understand how difficult it can be sometimes to stay consistent, to not break character no matter how funny a thing would be to say, or how good an argument is available just because the character would not say that thing.
Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Casserina Leshrac on 15 Mar 2017, 08:46
  • Up front, Nauplius is not intended as an OOC Troll at you people, none of whom I even know, except perhaps for any ex-1PG members who might be lurking out there.
  • There is, of course, hardly much of a line between Successful Troll and Evil Character who just happens to have OP'ed several of the most read and replied-to threads on the IGS lately, and I don't expect to convince everyone on this point.
  • I have tried to avoid some of the mistakes of more outlandish characters, foremost by actually performing operations in space as appropriate — those "rescues" on the DSTON thread really are taken from jetcans in Niarja and Jark and sold to NPC buy orders; I really did buy all 1,000,000 of those slaves and went threw the extra expense of blowing some of them up in a freighter so I'd have an API-verified KM.  That I had represented this character as a Khanid commoner since I started has afforded me some leeway as to what I can "do" versus a properly educated Holder, though I believe I have been mostly careful in observing IC-respect towards those who claim rank as well as long standing Amarr loyalist organization, even as I IC-disagree with them.
  • I'm vaguely aware that most of you guys don't like the author of "Theodicy" and two of the novels.  Despite that, I'm using 100% canon "Theodicy" as  a primary source, what with the slave collars I mention every other sentence and the dumping of worked-to-near-death slaves in a cave and such.  One questionable thing I've done is obliquely linked to "Theodicy" in a few of my IGS posts; while this could be intepreted as an OOC "you're doing it wrong" directed at the Amarr characters, my actual intent was to buttress my very much minority IGS opinion and let readers know that I'm not just making !@#$ up despite being heavily outnumbered.
  • I fully understand your OOC rejection of the most grimdark forms of Amarr RP; I suspect that it would be hard to build much in-game on such a foundation.  I did the Providence NRDS thing a while back and am OOC-fine with all that.
  • It goes almost without saying that I expect nearly everyone to oppose Nauplius on a purely IC basis.
  • When I started posting a few months back I was making a study of Youtube street preachers and some of that comes through in my earlier IGS posts (more so in my IC "preaching" to the Minmatar Milita in Local at that time).  I've cranked up the nutjobbery from there.  No offense is intended to Christians; I'm a (grumpy old) Presbyterian myself but allow myself to say things about Amarr religion that are both consistent with and not consistent with what I believe.
  • All that said, this character is probably reaching the end of a road in terms of development — I always knew that there's not much left to "do" after blowing away a million slaves.  Some possible changes include going Blood Raider; going Caldari militia;  repenting and going into some self-imposed exile/punishment in Ammatar lowsec or something.  I might make use of other player activity in directing this course;  I have already started to turn my alt Calyce Io away from the "dark side" based on some IC interaction she had in space with the Disciples of Ston.

I am really glad that I found this post.

Because I do get what you are going with it. Trust me I am having fun being the "real" Sani Sabik in the vein of Silas, Revan and Verjigorm. So good old Cass sees Nauplius as a heretic regardless of your use of Sani philosophy.

In fact your character gives Casserina a great opportunity to say, "See I'm not the crazy one... he's the crazy one!"

Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Mebrithiel on 23 Mar 2017, 22:50
In fact your character gives Casserina a great opportunity to say, "See I'm not the crazy one... he's the crazy one!"

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Title: Re: [Character] Nauplius
Post by: Casserina Leshrac on 28 Mar 2017, 18:12
In fact your character gives Casserina a great opportunity to say, "See I'm not the crazy one... he's the crazy one!"

(https://media.giphy.com/media/ywqqSYfZJsj2E/giphy.gif)

Can you blame me? Most of the Sani Characters are seen as "mad".  :lol: