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EVE-Online RP Discussion and Resources => EVE OOC Summit => Topic started by: Invelious on 23 Jan 2014, 02:03
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I have been away for 2 years. What is left of RP in EVE. Who are the major players, who is actually active. What is happening with the factions? oh and, hello :)
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I'm here(although for just a year), and the Intaki Liberation Front is still around.
From what I see the RP crowd is still going strong.
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Pop into OOC or The Summit and you'll see :-)
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Welcome back. Not sure myself...
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Alexylva Paradox is still very active, we're rocking the transhumanist angle.
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Personally: Around and semi-active, more privately than publicly at the moment; I have some things that need to be taken care of before I can really change that.
Generally: Things are fairly active, though much has drifted to private or semi-private RP since people don't seem to be frequenting the usual haunts as much. There are on days and off days as usual.
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PIE/Gradient/4th District/I-RED/ILF/Nighthawk/Alexylvia/TS-F/Pyre/Stillwater/Coreli/Stormcrows/CTC/DoT/Synenose....
Obviously there are others, but that's who immediately popped into mind. As Morwen said, much of the RP has moved into private arcs and groups now - much less public RP in public channels.
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To quickly add, DUST 514 has been released and has a growing RP community, with the DUST forum's Intergalactic Summit has been established the main ground for DUST RP. But other than that, yeah. Most of the RP has been moved to more private areas.
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No better way to find out than to IC jump-in feet first ;)
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Hiya Invelious! Long time no see. :D
Anyhow, seeing who's left in EVE RP in general, or are you looking for specifics in the faction blocs?
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Hiya Invel! Saw you in OOC the other night, real glad to see you back!
On the Amarr end of things:
- CVA is still in Providence, though unfortunately their major RP corp seems to have closed up. We still see occasional RP coming out of the Provibloc, though.
- PIE is still PIE. They've opened things up somewhat and now have an alternate corp, Praetorian Auxiliary Force [PAUX], for non-Amarr toons to operate under the PIE alliance. Gaven Lok'ri is currently running things.
- Not sure if this was the case when you left, but KOTMC closed a while ago.
- Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque [SFRIM] is an alternate Amarr corp run by Nicoletta Mithra. They're more relaxed in comparison to PIE, with less of a focus on ranks and racial/ship 'purity'. They are not in FW.
Finally, a note on Faction Warfare. I apologize if this is redundant, since I'm not entirely sure when you were last around: FW in general is in a pretty bad place, having been overrun by farmers for some time now. Due to a quirk in how LP is payed out, it is actually most valuable to be in a militia that is losing territory after having controlled most of the warzone. So, one side will achieve near or total system conquering, then over the course of a few weeks control will rapidly swing back to the opposite side's favor as people fire up their farming alts on the opposing side to grind out more LP and up-value what they've already collected. Fortunately CCP seems ready to release a colossal nerf to this, so we'll see.
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Hello.
I'm still around.
Heth is gone, Caldari Prime shared by the Caldari and Gallente, Midular was assasinated in the Federation, leading to tensions and a battle between the Minmatar and Gallente navies, the Tribal Assembly is reformed...
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Who's left in RP?
No one.
We all left. Sorry. :(
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Finally, a note on Faction Warfare. I apologize if this is redundant, since I'm not entirely sure when you were last around: FW in general is in a pretty bad place, having been overrun by farmers for some time now. Due to a quirk in how LP is payed out, it is actually most valuable to be in a militia that is losing territory after having controlled most of the warzone. So, one side will achieve near or total system conquering, then over the course of a few weeks control will rapidly swing back to the opposite side's favor as people fire up their farming alts on the opposing side to grind out more LP and up-value what they've already collected. Fortunately CCP seems ready to release a colossal nerf to this, so we'll see.
I disagree with this. FW is a vastly better place than it was a few years back. The ability to make ends meet by doing the core mechanic of system control battles is enough of an improvement by itself. It certainly needs work, but there are a ton of good fights to be had in the current FW system.
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My sub lapsed because real life (physically and other crap) exploded, but I'm beginning to get arpee withdraw, and will likely rectify that soon. I need to talk to my CEO when I resub as I'm not sure tbh if I'm ready for null, or more specifically, ready to put in the long hours, as it cuts from my lazy time RPing. (Also my SP distriubution is wrong for my region, which makes it annoying, and will take literally months to fix to be able to null-rat when not in a CTA.)
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My sub lapsed because real life (physically and other crap) exploded, but I'm beginning to get arpee withdraw, and will likely rectify that soon. I need to talk to my CEO when I resub as I'm not sure tbh if I'm ready for null, or more specifically, ready to put in the long hours, as it cuts from my lazy time RPing. (Also my SP distriubution is wrong for my region, which makes it annoying, and will take literally months to fix to be able to null-rat when not in a CTA.)
This is why I've never stayed in null long. It's like, work and such.
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Oh, it's fun in its own way, but I am just not trained for the right types of ships for the making the money part that I'll be losing in CTAs. :)
I'm not putting it aside forever, I just would rather train up somewhere where I can make some ISK and have fun, and not play SP online and fly a Noctis around 100% of the time (though I do enjoy doing that for corpmates, it's sort of ... yeah. :) The group are a bunch of great guys...
.."It's not you, its me"
lol :)
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Oh, it's fun in its own way, but I am just not trained for the right types of ships for the making the money part that I'll be losing in CTAs. :)
I'm not putting it aside forever, I just would rather train up somewhere where I can make some ISK and have fun, and not play SP online and fly a Noctis around 100% of the time (though I do enjoy doing that for corpmates, it's sort of ... yeah. :) The group are a bunch of great guys...
.."It's not you, its me"
lol :)
Yeah, and the time I've been in null over the years, I had fun if it was the right people. But it is time consuming, and finding the right people is difficult. I don't really have the time to spend with it to even consider it. A significant portion of my time in Eve is afk.
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Yeh, my life body issues decided "fuck you, bed."
I can RP on the laptop. Can't fly in null on it. :D
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Yeh, my life body issues decided "fuck you, bed."
I can RP on the laptop. Can't fly in null on it. :D
Yeah, RP is the ultimate flexibility. If it wasn't, I might not be subbed during the semesters. But as it is, I can just sit afk while working on things, then hop over for a while to take a break, etc.
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I went to null once.
My alliance decided their logo was going to be "literally a bucket of dicks".
I am no longer in null.
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My alliance decided their logo was going to be "literally a bucket of dicks".
I had to fight to convince the people in my alliance that our logo being, "A falcon shaped dick with wings" was a bad idea. :ugh:
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My alliance decided their logo was going to be "literally a bucket of dicks".
I had to fight to convince the people in my alliance that our logo being, "A falcon shaped dick with wings" was a bad idea. :ugh:
Is your current backstage avatar your alliance logo submission? If so, I give you +100 points for it. Very EVE, very smooth.
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Still alive, still roleplaying (a bit).
Veik, I might need to talk to your artistic employee about an MITG logo in the future :P.
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My alliance decided their logo was going to be "literally a bucket of dicks".
I had to fight to convince the people in my alliance that our logo being, "A falcon shaped dick with wings" was a bad idea. :ugh:
Is your current backstage avatar your alliance logo submission? If so, I give you +100 points for it. Very EVE, very smooth.
Yes it is. I think it works as a properly 1940's fascist iconography piece as well. Which is good, because then it goes well with the jackboots.
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Is your current backstage avatar your alliance logo submission? If so, I give you +100 points for it. Very EVE, very smooth.
Yes it is. I think it works as a properly 1940's fascist iconography piece as well. Which is good, because then it goes well with the jackboots.
I don't see the resemblence? It seems too modern and sleek for anything from the 1940s to me.
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This style is a little more reminiscent of that period, imo:
[spoiler](http://image.vector-art-graphics.com/rz_1205x1205/0/82b/Eagle-Symbol-Isolated-On-White-For-Tattoo-Design-82b7c8.jpg)[/spoiler]
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That was my thought. Most 1940s iconography used images that were either directly front facing or profile, and they certainly weren't as evocative of motion as the PYRE alliance logo.
That isn't to say it's bad. I just don't think it resembles anything from the decade. I didn't major in Art History though, so maybe I'm wrong.
The only fascist avian iconography my admittedly limited knowledge can remember is the emblem of the Nazi party, which had far more in common with Ancient Roman symbolism and the traditional German Eagle than it did more contemporary iconography of the period.
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It might fit the 1950's better but my symbolic anthropology is rusty ;)
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My sub lapsed because real life (physically and other crap) exploded, but I'm beginning to get arpee withdraw, and will likely rectify that soon. I need to talk to my CEO when I resub as I'm not sure tbh if I'm ready for null, or more specifically, ready to put in the long hours, as it cuts from my lazy time RPing. (Also my SP distriubution is wrong for my region, which makes it annoying, and will take literally months to fix to be able to null-rat when not in a CTA.)
Go to your account settings (https://secure.eveonline.com/), log in there and select game time->hours for plex. Activate it. Immediately log in to the game (make sure you update client first to not lose time downloading patches, and make sure it loads). Fly to Amarr solar system and accept the contract.
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Well my remark was part joke at being a Caldari space jackboot; and part a jab at the conceptions of futurism in art which tended to focus on movement, asceticism, industry, and the evocation of violence in addition to nationalism and fascism (some of the leading Italian futurist artists of the 20's, 30's and 40's also founded nationalist parties and supported Mussolini's rise to power).
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Ack Diana >.< Patching now.. I'm not even sure where I am, I might be in null still ...
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Oh. Well then, carry on!
In either case, the logo does fit EVE's style. I'm not sure if it fits the Caldari style of simplistic and heavy shapes... but neither does I-RED's.
I think 4th District hit the nail on the head with their logo.
(https://image.eveonline.com/Alliance/1691647675_128.png)(https://image.eveonline.com/Alliance/1194892549_128.png)
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I think 4th District hit the nail on the head with their logo.
Yus.
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My sub lapsed because real life (physically and other crap) exploded, but I'm beginning to get arpee withdraw, and will likely rectify that soon. I need to talk to my CEO when I resub as I'm not sure tbh if I'm ready for null, or more specifically, ready to put in the long hours, as it cuts from my lazy time RPing. (Also my SP distriubution is wrong for my region, which makes it annoying, and will take literally months to fix to be able to null-rat when not in a CTA.)
Go to your account settings (https://secure.eveonline.com/), log in there and select game time->hours for plex. Activate it. Immediately log in to the game (make sure you update client first to not lose time downloading patches, and make sure it loads). Fly to Amarr solar system and accept the contract.
Just to note, you don't have to go to Amarr to accept a contract OR activate plex.
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Oh. Well then, carry on!
In either case, the logo does fit EVE's style. I'm not sure if it fits the Caldari style of simplistic and heavy shapes... but neither does I-RED's.
I think 4th District hit the nail on the head with their logo.
(https://image.eveonline.com/Alliance/1691647675_128.png)(https://image.eveonline.com/Alliance/1194892549_128.png)
I'd agree that the I-RED and 4th logos fit the Caldari style of being "official" organizations so they have the correct minimalist/authoritarian feel to Megacorp. logos. Pyre Falcon isn't an "official" Caldari organization conceptually, so the logo for it was intended to be similar but not the same.
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You guys need to make some leather bomber jackets with the Pyre Falcon logo on the back.
(http://www.flightjacket.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/500x500/3f61adf9c58d6aae48ea1ac2f6ff5ba4/a/n/anj4_1.jpg)
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This style is a little more reminiscent of that period, imo:
[spoiler](http://image.vector-art-graphics.com/rz_1205x1205/0/82b/Eagle-Symbol-Isolated-On-White-For-Tattoo-Design-82b7c8.jpg)[/spoiler]
Oddly enough, the logos for some of the Federation branches of government look very similar to those. Coincidence? I think not! inb4 Federation is the true fascist empire of New Eden.
Regarding PYRE's logo, who cares much for the artistic style it is trying to mimic. It just looks cool plain and simple :)
Very silver
Much steel
So Caldari
Wow
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There is a big difference between the nazi eagle / roman empire eagle and the various eagles that were used as coats of arms by various countries in the previous centuries (Germany, Prussia, Austria, etc). The federal eagle is a lot closer to the latter imo.
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My alliance decided their logo was going to be "literally a bucket of dicks".
I had to fight to convince the people in my alliance that our logo being, "A falcon shaped dick with wings" was a bad idea. :ugh:
That sounds very... Roman.
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There is a big difference between the nazi eagle / roman empire eagle and the various eagles that were used as coats of arms by various countries in the previous centuries (Germany, Prussia, Austria, etc). The federal eagle is a lot closer to the latter imo.
The Nazi Eagle took artistic influences from the Roman Eagle, but its meaning was a continuation of the German Eagle. In short, it was both at the same time.
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There is a big difference between the nazi eagle / roman empire eagle and the various eagles that were used as coats of arms by various countries in the previous centuries (Germany, Prussia, Austria, etc). The federal eagle is a lot closer to the latter imo.
The Nazi Eagle took artistic influences from the Roman Eagle, but its meaning was a continuation of the German Eagle. In short, it was both at the same time.
I was speaking artistically. There is nothing alike between both.
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There is a big difference between the nazi eagle / roman empire eagle and the various eagles that were used as coats of arms by various countries in the previous centuries (Germany, Prussia, Austria, etc). The federal eagle is a lot closer to the latter imo.
The Nazi Eagle took artistic influences from the Roman Eagle, but its meaning was a continuation of the German Eagle. In short, it was both at the same time.
I was speaking artistically. There is nothing alike between both.
That is a pretty... hyperbolic statement. There is plenty of similarity between them. Starting with the choice of an eagle as a symbol. Artistically there is a pretty massive area of overlap between Roman, Eastern Roman, Holy Roman, and just about every other image of an eagle as a symbol of power.
Are they identical, no, but they are alike in many ways.
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Hurs Sokira made the 4th logo and had an extremly detailed and impressive write up of the symbolism used. I wish I had a copy.
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There is a big difference between the nazi eagle / roman empire eagle and the various eagles that were used as coats of arms by various countries in the previous centuries (Germany, Prussia, Austria, etc). The federal eagle is a lot closer to the latter imo.
The Nazi Eagle took artistic influences from the Roman Eagle, but its meaning was a continuation of the German Eagle. In short, it was both at the same time.
I was speaking artistically. There is nothing alike between both.
That is a pretty... hyperbolic statement. There is plenty of similarity between them. Starting with the choice of an eagle as a symbol. Artistically there is a pretty massive area of overlap between Roman, Eastern Roman, Holy Roman, and just about every other image of an eagle as a symbol of power.
Are they identical, no, but they are alike in many ways.
You are looking at them with the eyes of a historian. I am looking at those with artist eyes, and to me they are completely different. The only thing they share is an eagle, which means, absolutely nothing.
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There is a big difference between the nazi eagle / roman empire eagle and the various eagles that were used as coats of arms by various countries in the previous centuries (Germany, Prussia, Austria, etc). The federal eagle is a lot closer to the latter imo.
The Nazi Eagle took artistic influences from the Roman Eagle, but its meaning was a continuation of the German Eagle. In short, it was both at the same time.
I was speaking artistically. There is nothing alike between both.
That is a pretty... hyperbolic statement. There is plenty of similarity between them. Starting with the choice of an eagle as a symbol. Artistically there is a pretty massive area of overlap between Roman, Eastern Roman, Holy Roman, and just about every other image of an eagle as a symbol of power.
Are they identical, no, but they are alike in many ways.
You are looking at them with the eyes of a historian. I am looking at those with artist eyes, and to me they are completely different. The only thing they share is an eagle, which means, absolutely nothing.
Considering that two quotes ago you were the one that went with a strictly historical analysis, it seems like their responses were appropriate.
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I don't understand ? :s
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I don't understand ? :s
I'm just saying that all this confusion over a symbol could have been avoided if people weren't switching between historical analysis and artistic analysis.
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Yes, well, I understand that I have been a tad clear-cut on something that is not, and I did not explained myself clearly.
Anyway I think both views are valid, and maybe even complementary. =)
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Let's go completely philosophical and wierd and say that it's not even the same eagle when you slide the scroll wheel, as different pixels are lit, and it is re-created from electricity, over and over. :D
*runs away*
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Let's go completely philosophical and wierd and say that it's not even the same eagle when you slide the scroll wheel, as different pixels are lit, and it is re-created from electricity, over and over. :D
*runs away*
Well, this is assuming leprechaun shamans are not transmitting the ideal spiritualization of the eagle into your third eye via spaghetti transmissions.
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It would be just like them to do that, too, wouldn't it. Hmph.
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Ok now than I thought a bit more about I wonder if they actually based their decision to choose an eagle for the Federation precisely because the eagle is usually the symbol of empires ? The Federation is an empire in all but the name. I wonder if there is a true historical choice behind.
I thought at first it was just art stuff...
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It is hard to believe it wasn't intended. I mean, their black bag organization is called "Black Eagles". They are certainly attempting to make the connection and not being subtle about it.
Edit: Just like it is not subtle that the State logo is done explicitly in a corporate logo style or that Minnie logos have tribal styles, etc.
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When I last posted in the IGS back in '08 I can say the forum was active but there were stretches the last post on the page was over a month old. Participation seemed to come in waves and in my hiatus you all could attest to whether or not that is still the case now. I never saw much participation in the IC channels. Then again in fairness I probably only popped into the known Gallente IC channels and they were ghost towns.
If more of the RP is happening in private channels or on an individual basis as I read, then I can only see that as a good thing. It all spills back into IGS participation in one way or another. The IGS looks quite active from my perspective only a month back in game. The topics and discussions are diverse. Everyone enjoys the Amarrian windbag threads when the OP writes something great, but EVE RP then seemed too Amarr/Minmatar heavy and less of the individual tales that I see currently.
It didn't seem that until the Federation elections ramp up began that the Gallente seemed to get some overdue PF attention. Up to that point really, neither the Gallente or Caldari had anything really juicy to write about that wasn't based on stringing out a grudge.
I remember that the accepted impression of the state of RP as a whole in EVE, at that time, was widely regarded as waning. I perceive that same impression holds true for some today. I'm not saying there isn't truth to that. Even when I was living and working in the Providence pipe, it was said that CVA wasn't as RP heavy as they used to be. I heard Provi used to be more fun. Even with that being the case, the atmosphere there was "neat" and honestly still fun because there was RP to be found quite readily in any given system, particularly with UK always meddling.
To hear the last big RP corp has closed in CVA does make me think the region will suffer if others don't pick up the banner of IC shenanigans in that region.
Maybe it's a perspective thing. EVE RP may be just ever evolving. The outlets for RP however stay the same, a forum on a message board, in game channels for IC chat and of course, the most important one, in game, IC actions.
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Gallente RP is currently the most dead by far. The are at least semi-active RP corps in all the other factions, but Moira/EG were the last ones standing for Gallente and they are pretty much just PvP now.
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*crawls out from under a rock*
Well, I never thought I would see the day I came back but *ahem*
Ohai Gaiz.
It's nice to see that a few familar faces are still here
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I have been away for 2 years. What is left of RP in EVE. Who are the major players, who is actually active. What is happening with the factions? oh and, hello :)
I just now saw this, which goes to show how much I need to pay more fucking attention here!
Welcome back to Eve; I remember some frustrating fights and some funny ones against you and yours in the Minnie/Amarr warzone back in the day. :)
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Ohai Gaiz.
I also return!
Heya Mathra!
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If Graelyn is back, everyone spam his mailbox 30+ times a day with exotic dancer adverts.
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If Graelyn is back, everyone spam his mailbox 30+ times a day with exotic dancer adverts.
Better this than the usual whine "OMG SUCH AND SUCH MOD WAS HORRIBLE TO ME BY MUTING ME even though I kept misbehaving despite multiple warnings but that doesn't matter THEY ARE BAD DO SOMETHING" crap his inbox gets filled with.
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That, too. But make it complains about mods that don't exist.
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Ohai Gaiz.
I also return!
Heya Mathra!
Oh shit! Welcome back youse two too!
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I'm resubbed to get my name on the stone monstrosity, but I didn't bother actually installing the game. But you folks can like, mail me or something if you like and I will attempt some RP :P
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*crawls out from under a rock*
Well, I never thought I would see the day I came back but *ahem*
Ohai Gaiz.
It's nice to see that a few familar faces are still here
It's a MATH'RA! OHAI THAR!!! :cube:
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We'll also see what occurs with Rote rejoining "civilized" society. I am looking forward to having some people to talk to about RP related stuff as allies for once.
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*lurks*
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We'll also see what occurs with Rote rejoining "civilized" society. I am looking forward to having some people to talk to about RP related stuff as allies for once.
It did spur some interesting back-and-forth on the CVA forums.
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Gallente RP is currently the most dead by far. The are at least semi-active RP corps in all the other factions, but Moira/EG were the last ones standing for Gallente and they are pretty much just PvP now.
This pretty much. Moira is IIRC 95% PVP now 5% rest, Eleutherian Guard elected to abandon it's always-IC-in-Corp policy and be RP only in image, because it was strangling it's activity ratios. Literally no-one outside of 5 members were interested and two of those left after a couple months. The corp is practically 100% PVP now, with the only RP being a corp description and ranking system that's IC and some radnom spoofs here and there being IC.
It's the same old story. Pro-Federation RP, as a group, is super-hard-mode and don't survive for long, either dying completely (STRIX, Acheron, etc etc etc) or they morph into RP-lite then RP-never groups. I guess that's the way it will always be.
With the lack of any real Pro-Fed RP groups to be antagonistic/apathetic to I get the feeling that the ILF is drying up as well. It's hard to be separatists when there is nothing to oppose or be opposed by :/
[spoiler]Hoping for a "you are wrong because X Y Z is alive and well" response to this, especially if X, Y and Z are different groups as well...[/spoiler]
That's EvE though. It's always been like that.
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I think most everyone is RP-lite. You have to be to grow beyond a small core of RPers.
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STRIX died because I didn't adapt it in the way I felt it should have, and because "pro-Fed" tends to become far too generalist as regards organizational focus and objectives. You achieve nothing if everyone wants to be precious and do their own things.
Pyre Falcon today, is the result of what I believed STRIX should have been then. Its present success and viability only justifies in my mind that I was correct in my thinking, that a narrow focus with a specific outlook is better than being inclusive.
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[spoiler]Hoping for a "you are wrong because X Y Z is alive and well" response to this, especially if X, Y and Z are different groups as well...[/spoiler]
Not sure if we'd count for that, but ANSH goings on in Placid are building up, and the IPI are still doing things :)
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STRIX died because I didn't adapt it in the way I felt it should have, and because "pro-Fed" tends to become far too generalist as regards organizational focus and objectives. You achieve nothing if everyone wants to be precious and do their own things.
Pyre Falcon today, is the result of what I believed STRIX should have been then. Its present success and viability only justifies in my mind that I was correct in my thinking, that a narrow focus with a specific outlook is better than being inclusive.
In my opinion you could not make this work under a pro-fed angle, because of a severe lack of bodies willing to make that work. IMHO one of the reasons your current corp with it's narrow focus worked so well was a vastly larger pool of bodies to recruit from, as pro-state RP is the "group" with the least trouble finding players.
As it stands, you have become part of the long list of people who went Fed->something else. There is nothing wrong with that as no-one can dictate what you play as or for or whatever, but it's still a sad state of affairs how the list of people who have abandoned fed RP for whatever else is more entertaining. There are ex-Fed pirates of all stripes, your older toon went Angel IIRC, there are ex-Fed State-supporters, you toon was this for a while too IIRC, there are ex-Fed Sansha, and plenty of people who have left active pro-Fed RP to do their own things, and I'm technically one of them.
My point still stands. In a tread asking who is left in RP only the Amarr, Caldari, Minmatar and a mix of pretty much anything else will raise their hands, The Feds are clinically dead and have been for a while now, and as far as I'm concerned this is a shame. It's just that I don't know what to even begin to do with it.
Not sure if we'd count for that, but ANSH goings on in Placid are building up, and the IPI are still doing things :)
Technically you don't. ANSH are Serpentis IIRC and IPI are Intaki separatists :3
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In my opinion you could not make this work under a pro-fed angle, because of a severe lack of bodies willing to make that work. IMHO one of the reasons your current corp with it's narrow focus worked so well was a vastly larger pool of bodies to recruit from, as pro-state RP is the "group" with the least trouble finding players.
I haven't actively sought recruitment in over a year, and when I did the attrition rate was at around 80-90% because they didn't meet my standards and desired outlook both to RP and the game.
I believe in quality, not quantity.
Strix failed because I didn't recruit the qualities required to ensure long term viability for a PvP oriented corp that RP's.
As for pro-Fed RP, well it's there that I learned that when you're too busy trying to be the "nice guys" you're likely to just end up nowhere and activity declines due to lack of content.
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FedRP :(
Obviously we just need to develop a post-corp way of building an RP community. The wants, backgrounds, and political persuasions of many characters within the Fed are often too diverse to get a consistent corp image, as I believe V. alluded to. Where the other races are 'easier' to follow the lore for, FedRP readily becomes as diverse as real world democracies - which when you have a tiny base to work with, is just impossible.
I fear that there has never been any real attempt to acknowledge that for some time, but when that is worked around - I genuinely believe some of the best RP comes out of it. I remember the old IPI/FDU/I-RED/Star Fraction/Du'uma tensions - and how that worked really well in my opinion. In order to make that work again, I think we need to have a corp solidarity and background planning even if we aren't all within the same corp (or even in actual pro-fed/rp corps). That's the only viable option imho.
/drunkpost
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You need RP corps that can project power measured in more than mining yield.
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You need RP corps that can project power measured in more than mining yield.
(http://i.imgur.com/WOZOvUa.gif)
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As for pro-Fed RP, well it's there that I learned that when you're too busy trying to be the "nice guys" you're likely to just end up nowhere and activity declines due to lack of content.
+1
I'm still around, but my 2-year old son eats most of my free time.....
Agiolet Security and Logistics is a corp i created to start a pro-fed (or rather fed-aligned with vast pro-commerce interests) corporation. No recruiting yet as i don't have the time to dedicate for corp activities....but every year i will still organize Fed Day and all that.
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To clarify though, I don't mean you should go all grimdark super evil in Fed RP, but what I did notice was that it did tend to go:
I'm Gallente, I love peace, democracy, liberty and FREEDOM!
Then you'd ask, and then?
And get, no and then, in response.
That really doesn't just apply to the Fed but really to a lot of RP groups I've seen over the years. Time is spent trying to have detailed characters, but detailed corporations with clear IC goals, objectives, political philosophies, and purpose that's enforced internally seem less common. Part of that I think just has to do with the nature of RP'ers in general and wanting to do what they want because they're a special individual. In fact, I've found non-RP'ers easier to work with because they'll actually contribute to what needs to be done without being little snowflakes about it.
I also never got the whole notion of there being some divide between RP and PvP. Because to me, PvP is really one of the best ways to provide a form of group content that gets people involved and active as well as creating cohesion as people mesh together on comms etc., while having fun. I mean seriously I'll take PvP and having fun with an active group of people over RP scruples any day of the week.
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You need RP corps that can project power measured in more than mining yield.
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stereotypically, Roleplayers want to be Martin Sheen in Apocalypse Now - a central character, mostly in control of events.
when they end up as Charlie Sheen, in Platoon - a character whose fate is largely determined by the actions of others, it doesn't always go down well.
And then there are people who think they're Charlie Sheen in Hot Shots! which causes misunderstandings.
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In my opinion you could not make this work under a pro-fed angle, because of a severe lack of bodies willing to make that work. IMHO one of the reasons your current corp with it's narrow focus worked so well was a vastly larger pool of bodies to recruit from, as pro-state RP is the "group" with the least trouble finding players.
I haven't actively sought recruitment in over a year, and when I did the attrition rate was at around 80-90% because they didn't meet my standards and desired outlook both to RP and the game.[1]
I believe in quality, not quantity.
Strix failed because I didn't recruit the qualities required to ensure long term viability for a PvP oriented corp that RP's.
As for pro-Fed RP, well it's there that I learned that when you're too busy trying to be the "nice guys" you're likely to just end up nowhere and activity declines due to lack of content. [2]
1) So you had 8 to 9 out of 10 drop out of your corp because they did not meet your standards and you still had enough bodies to go a year+ without recruitment and still have a decently sized active corp? You are pretty much proving my point for me here, if you could sift through that many you don't exactly have a limited poor of bodies to pick from.
2) If you honestly believe that Pro-Fed RP = Goodie-two-shoes RP then I would consider this another reason why STRIX failed. The Fed is idealistic, but far, far from perfect and it's strength is that almost any kind of RP can be aimed for under and in support of, it's banner. Nothing says you *HAVE* to pull a "we are nice guys" angle.
Regardless, STRIX is dead and buried, along with all it's companions that were and never made it. History marches on.
And with that, I've little more to comment on in this tread. Maybe I'll be back and flog this dead horse a little some other time.
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Gallente RP is currently the most dead by far. The are at least semi-active RP corps in all the other factions, but Moira/EG were the last ones standing for Gallente and they are pretty much just PvP now.
This pretty much. Moira is IIRC 95% PVP now 5% rest, Eleutherian Guard elected to abandon it's always-IC-in-Corp policy and be RP only in image, because it was strangling it's activity ratios. Literally no-one outside of 5 members were interested and two of those left after a couple months. The corp is practically 100% PVP now, with the only RP being a corp description and ranking system that's IC and some radnom spoofs here and there being IC.
It's the same old story. Pro-Federation RP, as a group, is super-hard-mode and don't survive for long, either dying completely (STRIX, Acheron, etc etc etc) or they morph into RP-lite then RP-never groups. I guess that's the way it will always be.
With the lack of any real Pro-Fed RP groups to be antagonistic/apathetic to I get the feeling that the ILF is drying up as well. It's hard to be separatists when there is nothing to oppose or be opposed by :/
[spoiler]Hoping for a "you are wrong because X Y Z is alive and well" response to this, especially if X, Y and Z are different groups as well...[/spoiler]
That's EvE though. It's always been like that.
In that last year if I still had the motivation to play the game I would definitely have been tempted to create a fed RP corp with very hawkish / nationalist tendencies (with my Marnian alt 8) ). It could have been fun. I had a good idea around something we don't always see in Fed RP, an angle that can provide something else than evil mustache twirling RP and still being close to fascist tendencies at the same time, that I initiated with my alt around the Mantenault election stuff and that proved to be highly viable and surprisingly easy to play, for gallente RP.
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The wants, backgrounds, and political persuasions of many characters within the Fed are often too diverse to get a consistent corp image, as I believe V. alluded to. Where the other races are 'easier' to follow the lore for, FedRP readily becomes as diverse as real world democracies - which when you have a tiny base to work with, is just impossible. (...) In order to make that work again, I think we need to have a corp solidarity and background planning even if we aren't all within the same corp (or even in actual pro-fed/rp corps). That's the only viable option imho.
/drunkpost
While we're on a topic I'm interested in, I think this is largely what I have seen in Fed in my brief time here. I suffer from both a lack of availability outside AUNZ time, and a severe recruitment disability. Plus the anti-Senate, anti-Roden terrorist angle is either too hackneyed or too difficult to manifest to be appealing outside of fiction.
You need RP corps that can project power measured in more than mining yield.
There's only so much my Tristan can do. :(
stereotypically, Roleplayers want to be Martin Sheen in Apocalypse Now - a central character, mostly in control of events.
when they end up as Charlie Sheen, in Platoon - a character whose fate is largely determined by the actions of others, it doesn't always go down well.
The issue here could be that the satisfaction gleaned from watching characters fail and grow, subject to forces not of their making, is in direct opposition to the kill-centric chest-pounding nature of PvP in EVE. If the game reduced physical conflict to a measuring contest, where's the room for character development when things fall apart?
I think most everyone is RP-lite. You have to be to grow beyond a small core of RPers.
Surely it can't be that uncommon for RPers to wither on the vine waiting for heavy RP amidst the debauched japery.
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I think most everyone is RP-lite. You have to be to grow beyond a small core of RPers.
Surely it can't be that uncommon for RPers to wither on the vine waiting for heavy RP amidst the debauched japery.
Heavy-RP is a challenge. I have to defer to someone in PIE, but they are likely the heaviest RP corp in existence (or at least that is my perception and it may no longer be valid). Flying only one racial haul, only allowing one racial type in, etc is challenging if you have other goals in the game.
If you build a corp around an ideology, you need some other aspect that drives game content creation - otherwise it is forum/chatroom RP. You need to be willing to take action in space, even if it is all about mining yields. A corp's heavy-RP could be to dominate a regional ore/minerals market, to include hiring mercenaries to harass the competition (RP or otherwise). In such a case, mining yields matter.
If you are RPing a military support organization (mission runners), then having a really high standing is what matters.
If you are RPing a combat organization, then being good at PvP matters.
If you are RPing an industrial organization, then achieving a profit matters.
RP is our own generated flavor text in line with the existing game world. It is framing your corporation's and character's goals within that context that makes it RP.
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RP is our own generated flavor text in line with the existing game world. It is framing your corporation's and character's goals within that context that makes it RP.
+9000
i came to this conclusion about a year ago....sadly at a time when my available eve time is close to zero.
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Regardless, STRIX is dead and buried, along with all it's companions that were and never made it. History marches on.
Yes, and in the 2-3 years since then I don't think I've seen a Fed rp corp with a clear identity/vision with the leadership required to realize it fully. Which yes, is a shame, because the Fed does offer a lot of scope and complexity in RP to pursue.
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QFE to everything orange said.
An RP guild with nebulous goals like, "support X faction!" or "be a social place for Y RPer!" won't succeed. You really need something specific and something that players can and will work towards in their daily activities. EVE is not one of those MMOs where an RP community can thrive solely on direct interaction with other characters, as the nature of the game prevents the running of comprehensive plot lines where the world's plot changes through GM'ing by the RPers. In EVE, the world only changes through direct action by the players, no one will respect someone who makes a post saying that X out-of-game thing happened. EVE is a fulltime game and so RP corps here must be fulltime, focused on what the characters can do in the game world, not simply in the text. You have to base your in-game actions on the character you have chosen to portray, or the cause you have chosen to fulfill--that is the crux of EVE RP.
In the case of PIE, there is the limitation of ship hulls. This is one way to add a specific direction. By imposing restrictions on your gameplay, you generate content for yourself through having to combat your own restriction and work your gameplay around it.
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You need RP corps that can project power measured in more than mining yield.
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You need RP corps that can project power measured in more than mining yield.
You need to build a corp that focuses and excels at a specific area of the game that also happens to roleplay a corp-defined alignment. Coreli Corp, I-RED, PYRE, TSF, Gradient, PIE, Veto, Moira, and others are all examples of this. Notice that most of what I listed at PvP centric, because they are memorable. You remember losing that ship to those groups, because not only did they kill you, but they rubbed it in with roleplay.
PvP gains you the most notoriety the fastest. Mining nets negligible notoriety, if any at all. Those are two extremes of the popularity spectrum for RP corps. When you are capable of projecting military power whether it be in the form of small but brutally efficient hunter gangs like Pyre, or comparatively overwhelming fleets (including allies) dropped from a titan like I-RED - people notice that. When you sit in an asteroid belt quietly and buzz away at the rocks, people tend to forget.
The key to all of this however is building a group of players who place that gaming skill first, and the roleplay second. I-RED didn't buy a titan by roleplaying it. We didn't 'evict' several Syndicate alliances by yelling at them in the Summit or IGS. We did it by learning (slowly and painfully) how to PvP and building a large number of non-roleplayers to do it with. We also just happened to roleplay at the alliance level. Did you know very little RP goes on inside our alliance?
Yet despite our lack of actual roleplaying, people remember our big conflicts as hallmarks of good roleplay. It wasn't because we cared about that. It was because we wanted to blow your shit up, and Dear Glorious Leader of the Corporate People's Democratic Republik Liberation I-RED, The Lord Grand Admiral Jonathan Ballsworth "Fucking" Revenent Sr. XVIII also happened to shitpost on the IGS a few times while succeeding triumphantly or failing miserably at a specific PvP campaign.
We posted while we pewed. That's really all it took. Acting like all our random ideas for shooting shit and taking stuff was because it was roleplay. I'd be willing to bet it's the same for the others too.
So stop looking for the roleplay fights. You won't find it. Just go shoot something, and pretend it's for the Fed.
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I'm pretty sure that any kind of activity can be interesting and respected, so long as you're conscious of its place in the order of things, and play it to the hilt. I'm sure you could figure out how to project power through mining yield, or gain notoriety and respect purely through "soft power" and diplomacy, if you put your mind to it.
The main thing to realize is that EVE, as a game, is very heavily leaning away from escapist fantasy and towards being an alternate universe your characters happen to inhabit. Share a little more than a corp ticker and project something, anything other than Summit drama, and you'll be fine.
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EVE RP, The Summit, OOC channel, forums, everything, summed up:
[spoiler](http://i.imgur.com/bjZjHxJ.jpg)[/spoiler]
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(http://nixje404.home.xs4all.nl/everythingsucksforever.png)
(The up side to everything sucking is it should be easy to stand out from the background levels of suck, right?)
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[ 2012.10.27 18:28:24 ] Graelyn > We're all falling back to the Alamo.
[ 2012.10.27 18:28:33 ] Graelyn > This is it tho.
[ 2012.10.27 18:28:42 ] Graelyn > Once we're done here, Amarr rP is over.
Further explanation was:
It's not just the Amarr guys. Most factions are down to one or two groups now.
People have to want to do this sort of thing in EVE, we can't go out and make them.
That was 2012.
Has anything changed for the better ?
Most factions still only look as if they have one or two groups. In some cases, zero.
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When my doctoral thesis is in print, Odelya will bring some fresh madness back to the field!
:yar:
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When my doctoral thesis is in print, Odelya will bring some fresh madness back to the field!
:yar:
Oh no.
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You need RP corps that can project power measured in more than mining yield.
You need to build a corp that focuses and excels at a specific area of the game that also happens to roleplay a corp-defined alignment. Coreli Corp, I-RED, PYRE, TSF, Gradient, PIE, Veto, Moira, and others are all examples of this. Notice that most of what I listed at PvP centric, because they are memorable. You remember losing that ship to those groups, because not only did they kill you, but they rubbed it in with roleplay.
PvP gains you the most notoriety the fastest. Mining nets negligible notoriety, if any at all. Those are two extremes of the popularity spectrum for RP corps. When you are capable of projecting military power whether it be in the form of small but brutally efficient hunter gangs like Pyre, or comparatively overwhelming fleets (including allies) dropped from a titan like I-RED - people notice that. When you sit in an asteroid belt quietly and buzz away at the rocks, people tend to forget.
The key to all of this however is building a group of players who place that gaming skill first, and the roleplay second. I-RED didn't buy a titan by roleplaying it. We didn't 'evict' several Syndicate alliances by yelling at them in the Summit or IGS. We did it by learning (slowly and painfully) how to PvP and building a large number of non-roleplayers to do it with. We also just happened to roleplay at the alliance level. Did you know very little RP goes on inside our alliance?
Yet despite our lack of actual roleplaying, people remember our big conflicts as hallmarks of good roleplay. It wasn't because we cared about that. It was because we wanted to blow your shit up, and Dear Glorious Leader of the Corporate People's Democratic Republik Liberation I-RED, The Lord Grand Admiral Jonathan Ballsworth "Fucking" Revenent Sr. XVIII also happened to shitpost on the IGS a few times while succeeding triumphantly or failing miserably at a specific PvP campaign.
We posted while we pewed. That's really all it took. Acting like all our random ideas for shooting shit and taking stuff was because it was roleplay. I'd be willing to bet it's the same for the others too.
So stop looking for the roleplay fights. You won't find it. Just go shoot something, and pretend it's for the Fed.
Yeah definitely all of this, take Alexylva Paradox for another example. We established ourselves by our actual actions in space, not by waving our arms in RP chats. We went out and got our ships blown up, we took space and defend it. We dropped towers, we stuck our necks out and put ourselves in a position where if someone really wanted to, they could destroy us. To me, that makes what we do feel all that much more real and tangible in RP. I can fly to the planets I say I own, and if anyone else tries to go there, I can shoot them, that's huge, that really gives us a footprint that I feel a lot of corps lack. If your group does nothing but like, mission run and mine in highsec, then your impact on the universe, and other people's ability to impact you, is rather minor. The way I see it, that makes a lot of what you do just not very relevant to a lot of others. You won't find good engaging RP conflict through a chatbox, although good conflict outside of the chatbox will often spill over into it. I know most of my corp's interaction with the people we run into in wormholes is almost always psuedo-roleplay. Its easy, when we negotiate to allow someone passage? That can easily become a sort of RP.
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my point was, for many factions, there is one and only one group that does that kind of RP.
And, in some instances, the players behind that group are not necessarily well liked for OOC reasons.
So, if say, you are interested in Angel Cartel rp, but people have told you that the person in charge of the only Cartel group is a jerk, then, well, you're out of luck, for the most part. You sign up with them, you get ostracised by the other groups.
Or just timezone awkwardness. Like, afaik, TS-F are mostly US. If you're European timezone, you don't have much option for Sansha rp.
Or, on the flip side, anti-sansha rp.
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so start something new yourself?
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I've probably made more RP "content" (and had some of it made into PF), than almost anyone else who doesn't actually work for CCP.
Someone else can do it for a change.
But they won't. People aren't interested if someone says "hey guys, lets do X".
Only if it's a CCP event actor.
You can't get a dozen of the Sani Sabik players to group up for a t1 frigate lolfleet, but you can get scores of players to lose millions of ISK worth of ships, if a CCP actor says "follow mee to derperee!"
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You can definitely get people interested in what you're doing. That's how I built my corp. It was a long process, and it was hard, and it was slow, but we've built a pretty awesome group of people. Its totally doable, its just not easy.
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I spent few months conducting a personal experiment that some described as trolling. I came to the conclusion that the vast majority of RP in Eve isn't actually so much RP as much as OOC dramas and conflicts taken into RP with the thin veneer of it being, "In-character." Looking back I probably didn't even need to do it if I took the time to consider the old Bitching Section on the old Chatsubo forums, but I was curious if anything had changed and honestly, it really hasn't.
So I think the only people really left in RP these days are probably those who take OOC drama seriously enough to get "invested" in RP.
Or those who aren't even subbed to Eve but complain bitterly about its lore and RP.
Right now I think there's the people who care only about toxic OOC interpersonal drama as their RP and the others who no longer care and have just moved on elsewhere.
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You can definitely get people interested in what you're doing. That's how I built my corp. It was a long process, and it was hard, and it was slow, but we've built a pretty awesome group of people. Its totally doable, its just not easy.
It asks for OOC really good social skills, which is definitely not something that everyone has. Actually, people with the right set of skills to create a successful group of players that attracts everyone inside because it's cool and all, are pretty rare.
It is often systematically assumed by those people that everyone can do it the same way they did, which is not. I tried myself several corps over the years, and none of those worked. And it's not the faction that matter so much, but the OOC behind.
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I spent few months conducting a personal experiment that some described as trolling. I came to the conclusion that the vast majority of RP in Eve isn't actually so much RP as much as OOC dramas and conflicts taken into RP with the thin veneer of it being, "In-character." Looking back I probably didn't even need to do it if I took the time to consider the old Bitching Section on the old Chatsubo forums, but I was curious if anything had changed and honestly, it really hasn't.
So I think the only people really left in RP these days are probably those who take OOC drama seriously enough to get "invested" in RP.
Or those who aren't even subbed to Eve but complain bitterly about its lore and RP.
Right now I think there's the people who care only about toxic OOC interpersonal drama as their RP and the others who no longer care and have just moved on elsewhere.
I can't say I've ever RP'd on an OOC basis. In fact, my current plans involve being bitchy to some of the corps I love most. Then again, I hate none of you (yet) - so who knows.
That being said, I guess it is harder trying to double cross and/or destroy something someone you like and respect has spent years building, so you're probably right.
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I spent few months conducting a personal experiment that some described as trolling. I came to the conclusion that the vast majority of RP in Eve isn't actually so much RP as much as OOC dramas and conflicts taken into RP with the thin veneer of it being, "In-character." Looking back I probably didn't even need to do it if I took the time to consider the old Bitching Section on the old Chatsubo forums, but I was curious if anything had changed and honestly, it really hasn't.
So I think the only people really left in RP these days are probably those who take OOC drama seriously enough to get "invested" in RP.
Or those who aren't even subbed to Eve but complain bitterly about its lore and RP.
Right now I think there's the people who care only about toxic OOC interpersonal drama as their RP and the others who no longer care and have just moved on elsewhere.
I think there is a misconception that RP is the systematic exclusion of OOC preferences. Nothing could be farther from the truth. RP is something that is quite usually done with people you OOCly prefer to RP with - whatever that means.
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RP is something that is quite usually done with people you OOCly prefer to RP with - whatever that means.
Perhaps over time. I have only the vaguest idea about a small number of players OOC, as does any player who is trying to break into RP here for the first time. There is a stoner or two, maybe some h+ aspirants, and a lot of bittervets. I'm not disinclined to play with any of them due to a lack of familiarity, but rather due to the lack of characters with sympathetic or antithetic interests.
I don't know if other RP scrubs experience something similar, but I suspect those who try to generalize in order to compensate might end up lacking direction and engaging in the sort of 'unwelcome' or 'low-quality' RP that alienates them from a large swath of the experienced RPers who remain.
This isn't meant as an indictment of the community, but a concern about the motive for vets who leave and newbies who struggle to get a grasp of things.
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I spent few months conducting a personal experiment that some described as trolling. I came to the conclusion that the vast majority of RP in Eve isn't actually so much RP as much as OOC dramas and conflicts taken into RP with the thin veneer of it being, "In-character." Looking back I probably didn't even need to do it if I took the time to consider the old Bitching Section on the old Chatsubo forums, but I was curious if anything had changed and honestly, it really hasn't.
So I think the only people really left in RP these days are probably those who take OOC drama seriously enough to get "invested" in RP.
Or those who aren't even subbed to Eve but complain bitterly about its lore and RP.
Right now I think there's the people who care only about toxic OOC interpersonal drama as their RP and the others who no longer care and have just moved on elsewhere.
I think there is a misconception that RP is the systematic exclusion of OOC preferences. Nothing could be farther from the truth. RP is something that is quite usually done with people you OOCly prefer to RP with - whatever that means.
Sure, that's part of it, but the other part of it is that RP these days has the same quality for me as when I watch Parliamentary question time. In that there's a lot of vested interests, massive egos, interpersonal rivalries and so on that manifests into insults and slander which leaves me thinking: Well, here's a lot of pointless drama but where's the actual content of importance relevant to my interests?
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In space! Rabbling in the summit while running missions in highsec won't produce content. Shooting stuff and building stuff and messing with people in space will.
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I am pretty sure that RP mission running corps will love to hear that :P
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When you exist within a little bubble, and either cannot or do not effect anyone else in the game, then everything you say is just words, its just rabble. When words leads to ships exploding, that's when the fun really starts.
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I actually also got some satisfaction when words lead to DMZ's.
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I have gone and shot people in space for RP reasons quite a bit.
It always ends up just as pointless as any IGS or Summit drama. A good example is the shooting of Havohej, IC reasons confirmed, chestbeating happened then both parties committed just before downtime. Was a recipe for great drama, there was even a twist! it isn't a 1v1 it is a 4v1 gasp!
And I still killed him and drove the other four off pretty easily, certainly a heroic moment of triumph over the forces of killing slaves or what the fuck ever it was supposed to be but then, ..nothing happened.
Because it was just some stupid frigates ~already replaced~
Because in-space RP is just playing the space game, scum v snuff, gal mil v calmil, hell all the way up to null and kugu bad posting which is exactly like the IGS but for people who live in null.
it is just as bullshit as any other form of RP. The honest best experience in RP I have is in small private circles, sometimes just barP or going out for pizza and talking but it is always infinitely more rewarding than shooting nauplius down for the sixth time or wasting another day trying to catch Diana Kim in lowsec or anything like that.
private RP, with actors you like > else IMO
shooting people in space is fun, but it is like trying to live off the icing on a cake until suddenly, you are just like everyone else in the game putting memes into chat channels while your enemies talk about already replaced
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When you exist within a little bubble, and either cannot or do not effect anyone else in the game, then everything you say is just words, its just rabble. When words leads to ships exploding, that's when the fun really starts.
Fun is relative to the one having it. I have fun not exploding ships. Shocking, I know. :3
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Grep summit chatlogs, for "Kruul", dozens of entries found.
A couple dozen unique individual characters found they had something to discuss in "The Summit" about Kruul, a mission npc. Scores of conversations and interactions between players.
It is a lie to say doing missions will not produce content.
When you exist within a little bubble, and either cannot or do not effect anyone else in the game, then everything you say is just words, its just rabble.
Counterpoint: Wormholes. You won't leave your wormhole, because of the security requirements - must defend entrances from intruders. Other people will not encounter you, unless they choose to go into wormholes. Nothing you say or do impacts on people who have no interest in wormholes. You exist in a little bubble, with no effect on people who don't go into that bubble.
Contrast: A character who does high sec missions, can be seen and interacted with in space. People can intrude or assist, as they see fit. That character talks in The Summit, and their actions their will have consequence. People are affected and may take offence, or render assistance, and do things in space as a result.
private RP, with actors you like > else IMO
shooting people in space is fun, but it is like trying to live off the icing on a cake until suddenly, you are just like everyone else in the game putting memes into chat channels while your enemies talk about already replaced
Yes, it's the difference between Roleplaying with someone, vs Roleplaying at someone.
Roleplaying at someone, is the same as typing smack in local. For all they know, you might even have them blocked.
"I shot your puny frigate, Caldari scum!" says some Gallente militia pilot in local. RP, yes, but it is functionally the same as "lol pwnt, noob". You might have that particular Gallente blocked. Makes no difference.
Roleplaying with someone, is entirely different.
Encounter that same Gallente militia pilot in a RP social venue, and some kind of conversation may occur, and interaction beyond "lol, pwnt".
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Grep summit chatlogs, for "Kruul", dozens of entries found.
A couple dozen unique individual characters found they had something to discuss in "The Summit" about Kruul, a mission npc. Scores of conversations and interactions between players.
It is a lie to say doing missions will not produce content.
When you exist within a little bubble, and either cannot or do not effect anyone else in the game, then everything you say is just words, its just rabble.
Counterpoint: Wormholes. You won't leave your wormhole, because of the security requirements - must defend entrances from intruders. Other people will not encounter you, unless they choose to go into wormholes. Nothing you say or do impacts on people who have no interest in wormholes. You exist in a little bubble, with no effect on people who don't go into that bubble.
Contrast: A character who does high sec missions, can be seen and interacted with in space. People can intrude or assist, as they see fit. That character talks in The Summit, and their actions their will have consequence. People are affected and may take offence, or render assistance, and do things in space as a result.
private RP, with actors you like > else IMO
shooting people in space is fun, but it is like trying to live off the icing on a cake until suddenly, you are just like everyone else in the game putting memes into chat channels while your enemies talk about already replaced
Yes, it's the difference between Roleplaying with someone, vs Roleplaying at someone.
Roleplaying at someone, is the same as typing smack in local. For all they know, you might even have them blocked.
"I shot your puny frigate, Caldari scum!" says some Gallente militia pilot in local. RP, yes, but it is functionally the same as "lol pwnt, noob". You might have that particular Gallente blocked. Makes no difference.
Roleplaying with someone, is entirely different.
Encounter that same Gallente militia pilot in a RP social venue, and some kind of conversation may occur, and interaction beyond "lol, pwnt".
I have gone and shot people in space for RP reasons quite a bit.
It always ends up just as pointless as any IGS or Summit drama. A good example is the shooting of Havohej, IC reasons confirmed, chestbeating happened then both parties committed just before downtime. Was a recipe for great drama, there was even a twist! it isn't a 1v1 it is a 4v1 gasp!
And I still killed him and drove the other four off pretty easily, certainly a heroic moment of triumph over the forces of killing slaves or what the fuck ever it was supposed to be but then, ..nothing happened.
Because it was just some stupid frigates ~already replaced~
Because in-space RP is just playing the space game, scum v snuff, gal mil v calmil, hell all the way up to null and kugu bad posting which is exactly like the IGS but for people who live in null.
it is just as bullshit as any other form of RP. The honest best experience in RP I have is in small private circles, sometimes just barP or going out for pizza and talking but it is always infinitely more rewarding than shooting nauplius down for the sixth time or wasting another day trying to catch Diana Kim in lowsec or anything like that.
private RP, with actors you like > else IMO
shooting people in space is fun, but it is like trying to live off the icing on a cake until suddenly, you are just like everyone else in the game putting memes into chat channels while your enemies talk about already replaced
I was almost desperate to find people sharing the same experience, and capable of explaining it...
Well yeah, when you have done all that IC stuff ingame again and again, you suddenly start to notice that nothing changes and that it is as meaningless as anything else in the end. So you naturally turn to more story oriented RP tools, which are private RPs...
Especially when words are often stronger than anything else ICly, contrary to popular killboard epeen belief.
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I'm with Lyn, Lou and Aya here. (Surprise!)
RPVP can be great and all, but it does get just as stale as people talking about the spaceweather or flopping rubber missile dildoes about in the Summit constantly, and in some ways even faster. And, in fact, for some characters, it doesn't produce any meaningful content or development whatsoever.
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You can definitely get people interested in what you're doing. That's how I built my corp. It was a long process, and it was hard, and it was slow, but we've built a pretty awesome group of people. Its totally doable, its just not easy.
It asks for OOC really good social skills, which is definitely not something that everyone has. Actually, people with the right set of skills to create a successful group of players that attracts everyone inside because it's cool and all, are pretty rare.
It is often systematically assumed by those people that everyone can do it the same way they did, which is not. I tried myself several corps over the years, and none of those worked. And it's not the faction that matter so much, but the OOC behind.
It requires time and effort much more then it does social skills tbh. Really all you need for a successful corp is a plan, content to keep your members busy and to not be a giant douche. The plan is easy, the content is the hard part as the majority of eve players want to be entertained with having to do the entertaining and this will cost a fuckton of time early on until you find members that are also willing to entertain members. If you dont put in enough time members get bored go elsewhere so achieving critical mass is hard, but certainly possible.
Anyhow
my point was, for many factions, there is one and only one group that does that kind of RP.
And, in some instances, the players behind that group are not necessarily well liked for OOC reasons.
So, if say, you are interested in Angel Cartel rp, but people have told you that the person in charge of the only Cartel group is a jerk, then, well, you're out of luck, for the most part. You sign up with them, you get ostracised by the other groups.
Or just timezone awkwardness. Like, afaik, TS-F are mostly US. If you're European timezone, you don't have much option for Sansha rp.
Or, on the flip side, anti-sansha rp.
Timezones are indeed a fucking pain. Coreli's main enemies are TS-F and I-RED and they're both mainly US timezoned while were almost completely EU. Our war with TS-F was basically us outnumbering the living jesus out of them during our prime and ending up grinding some pocos while being unable to field anything in their timezone. We have the same problem with I-RED, after they destroyed a serpentis research station Serpentis' Kobro division tasked us with blowing up their stuff but since their pilots start logging when most of ours are a sleep we've had fuck all progress on that front.
I really hope CCP eventually comes back to doing regular events at some point because we really could use more loyalist corps/alliances. :(
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Hey, I wrote off a character once because of a stupid mission.
One day the poor guy (yes, it was a guy, a hetero brotastic goofball to boot) got nothing but an old Federation Level 1 mission that required him to shoot Concord ships, destroy a relief convoy, blow up a slave colony and frame the Empire for it all. Over and over again, at every single agent he tried.
I thought it was hysterical.
I figured he was in a state of increasing panic, and deeply concerned that he was being set up. So, he GTFOed.
If he's even alive anymore -- I don't remember if he wound up being killed off in some of the tormented collateral damage stuff or not (no, Veik, it wasn't Roland) -- I figure he's probably wearing a shock collar, mining metal for Quafe cans or something.
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Have to have a char who is able to be changed.
It's pretty easy, if you can accept the story versus the .. yup RP-PVP.
Sometimes losing is just as important as winning. Having your mind changed is just as important as standing your ground.
Too many people focus on THEIR story, and not enough on THE story.
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Sometimes losing is just as important as winning. Having your mind changed is just as important as standing your ground.
Too many people focus on THEIR story, and not enough on THE story.
Quoted for absolute god damn truth. This is an enormous thing that plenty of people tend to forget in the scheme of things; if you want fruit out of an RP relationship (not necessarily romantic, of course), you have to hear them talk, have to hear what they say, how they say it, and hold back on your "Yeah... I know that feeling. I have it all the time because I'm a lonely Quafe addict snorting Crash up my eye for ISK, yeaaaaaah. Feel bad for me yet? What were you talking about?"
People (a broad generalization of description-less masses) have an aversion to losing, which is natural. Not saying anyone should be super duper stoked for losing a ship or an argument. At least, like Ari said, entertain that possibility. Sometimes, letting yourself lose (while RPing that you're trying but losing anyway or something) can be really conducive to roleplay and make things a lot more dramatic or satisfying or etc etc etc
because it's a pain in the ass when two brick walls start slapping on each other over who's more important.
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Having read over this thread several times, it seems to me that there needs to be a distinct shift in the attitude of the Rp community. Instead of complaining about not getting any Rp, people need to be more willing to go out and make some.
There needs to be less focus on "winning" and more on the enjoyment of the story and social aspects. The community needs to be more open to new ideas, (something I know I can struggle with on occasion), and be more willing to guide new Rpers instead of shouting "wrong!" and ostracising them.
It almost seems to be a struggle against apathy more than anything else. People certaintly want to Rp, but they don't want to expend a great deal of effort, or put too much time or assets at risk. To put it bluntly, people want to be spoonfed their Rp and complain when they don't get it.
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Having read over this thread several times, it seems to me that there needs to be a distinct shift in the attitude of the Rp community. Instead of complaining about not getting any Rp, people need to be more willing to go out and make some.
There needs to be less focus on "winning" and more on the enjoyment of the story and social aspects. The community needs to be more open to new ideas, (something I know I can struggle with on occasion), and be more willing to guide new Rpers instead of shouting "wrong!" and ostracising them.
It almost seems to be a struggle against apathy more than anything else. People certaintly want to Rp, but they don't want to expend a great deal of effort, or put too much time or assets at risk. To put it bluntly, people want to be spoonfed their Rp and complain when they don't get it.
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You can definitely get people interested in what you're doing. That's how I built my corp. It was a long process, and it was hard, and it was slow, but we've built a pretty awesome group of people. Its totally doable, its just not easy.
It asks for OOC really good social skills, which is definitely not something that everyone has. Actually, people with the right set of skills to create a successful group of players that attracts everyone inside because it's cool and all, are pretty rare.
It is often systematically assumed by those people that everyone can do it the same way they did, which is not. I tried myself several corps over the years, and none of those worked. And it's not the faction that matter so much, but the OOC behind.
It requires time and effort much more then it does social skills tbh. Really all you need for a successful corp is a plan, content to keep your members busy and to not be a giant douche. The plan is easy, the content is the hard part as the majority of eve players want to be entertained with having to do the entertaining and this will cost a fuckton of time early on until you find members that are also willing to entertain members. If you dont put in enough time members get bored go elsewhere so achieving critical mass is hard, but certainly possible.
That's precisely that, it asks for social skills, which also require a good amount of time. When I did that I had that amount of time, but not the necessary skills. It's not just about saying "today we do x", it's about setting a good atmosphere with a good social synergy, while all of this goes according to your RP, and not against it.
If you think that's it's just a matter of time, then it must be because you already have the right set of social and entertaining skills. People who have usually tend not to notice.
Having read over this thread several times, it seems to me that there needs to be a distinct shift in the attitude of the Rp community. Instead of complaining about not getting any Rp, people need to be more willing to go out and make some.
There needs to be less focus on "winning" and more on the enjoyment of the story and social aspects. The community needs to be more open to new ideas, (something I know I can struggle with on occasion), and be more willing to guide new Rpers instead of shouting "wrong!" and ostracising them.
It almost seems to be a struggle against apathy more than anything else. People certaintly want to Rp, but they don't want to expend a great deal of effort, or put too much time or assets at risk. To put it bluntly, people want to be spoonfed their Rp and complain when they don't get it.
Yes, but when they start to do it, either nobody follows (countless examples on this, either people not interested because it's not their thing, or either people that just do not want to play with X), or you just end up with not enough critical mass to do it (not enough factions and players inside, or people interested but with their IC loyalty getting in the way).
So, maybe your solution is also to find new blood.
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So, maybe your solution is also to find new blood.
Which, if private channel RP is the only RP of quality that exists - will not happen and things will continue to fade. Public works are absolutely required, active investment in showing a story worth participating in is the only way to stem the loss.
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glhf with that part.
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All in all it doesn't take much to moosh an RP community. Specially when so many of them openly dislike or insult each other OOC. At the end of the day we're still geeks at the D&D table. We're gonna take our soda and chips and go home.
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Who's left in RP?
Not me anymore! I'M FREE!
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I've come back. Because yes. And it's the sort of thing I do.
I could cling to bitter.
But why?
Just makes new people sad, or makes them think we all suck.
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The honest best experience in RP I have is in small private circles, sometimes just barP or going out for pizza and talking but it is always infinitely more rewarding than shooting nauplius down for the sixth time or wasting another day trying to catch Diana Kim in lowsec or anything like that.
private RP, with actors you like > else IMO
I personally agree with this. I love seeing how characters interact in a normal environment instead of the public spectacle of the IGS. Some of my favorite RP moments are incredibly mundane compared to the epic grimdark eternal space conflict. Making dinner at home with Vince. A picnic with Esna. Drinking beers with Ava. Dancing with Literia, and several other events stand out in my mind as good RPs. My character may not be "winning" anything, but at least I'm having a good time.
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Who's left in RP?
Not me anymore! I'M FREE!
You may check out, but you'll never really leave.
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When I was still new-ish, I remember a few individuals took note of some of the things I said and did and actually invited me to more private or at the very least less-public channels. It really made me feel a lot more welcome as well as give me incentive to continue on, and to that point, I do suggest more people try this.
Hopefully, that person you invite actually manages to step up his/her game and make that effort when it comes to their roleplay.
Having read over this thread several times, it seems to me that there needs to be a distinct shift in the attitude of the Rp community. Instead of complaining about not getting any Rp, people need to be more willing to go out and make some.
There needs to be less focus on "winning" and more on the enjoyment of the story and social aspects. The community needs to be more open to new ideas, (something I know I can struggle with on occasion), and be more willing to guide new Rpers instead of shouting "wrong!" and ostracising them.
It almost seems to be a struggle against apathy more than anything else. People certaintly want to Rp, but they don't want to expend a great deal of effort, or put too much time or assets at risk. To put it bluntly, people want to be spoonfed their Rp and complain when they don't get it.
Quoted for the god damn flim flam truth. Unbelievably so with the "no, wrong!" stuff that happens. Though I do get correcting someone when they're like, "I shoot lasers from my dick-hole" or something, I've seen bittervets or people who just have their chins far to high try to discredit someone's idea because it's either unusual or something of the like.
For example, a new player mentioned that his family was relatively poor compared to other families in that system/station, saying that his parents were miners that worked on a Venture. Someone immediately chimed in and said that if his parents flew a Venture, that he was in no way, shape, or form, poor. Now, though that may be true, weren't there alternatives? I mean, come on. A lend-lease program isn't unheard of, especially when whoring for money is a big thing in New Eden.
tl;dr
less bitter less quitter
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Who's left in RP?
Not me anymore! I'M FREE!
You may check out, but you'll never really leave.
Two years and counting, so far. I believe I've been winning Eve for longer than I was actually playing.
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Who's left in RP?
Not me anymore! I'M FREE!
You may check out, but you'll never really leave.
Two years and counting, so far. I believe I've been winning Eve for longer than I was actually playing.
And yet you are still here. It's only a matter of time.
We'll be waiting, here, in the shadows.
(http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee84/steamboatbob/suspense-man-in-the-shadows.jpg)
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Who's left in RP?
Not me anymore! I'M FREE!
You may check out, but you'll never really leave.
Two years and counting, so far. I believe I've been winning Eve for longer than I was actually playing.
And yet you are still here. It's only a matter of time.
We'll be waiting, here, in the shadows.
(http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee84/steamboatbob/suspense-man-in-the-shadows.jpg)
I wish my work firewall didn't block every image host under the sun (except ESPN).
Alas, I feel that EVE is more fun to watch from arms length than it was to actually play. Imagining the stuff I'd like to accomplish is just as easy, and accomplishing it just as impossible, without any of the frustration of trying to do it.
I'm greatful for the stuff I learned from EVE about how awesome a sandbox game can be. I can now look at other games through a lens of sorts, and know what it is I'm looking for and what I'm not.
And I can sadly know that EVE isn't actually going to provide it. But I'll keep my eyes on Star Citizen, Elite: Dangerous, No Man's Sky, and some newly developing RP servers for Space Engineers.
EVE is more like an ant farm. Fascinating to watch without really needing to interact.
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/me wants to be the Queen ant...
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o_O
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cb/Atta_colombica_queen.jpg/1920px-Atta_colombica_queen.jpg)
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*looks at Mitara's post, then looks at Lyn's picture* ......
By all means, Mitty, have that ant hill. :P
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There's lots of RP going on...i should probably be more vocal about the Ushra'Khan side of it now i have the reigns. Things are good 8)
We The Defiant (http://triad-eve.net/pandora/agency/stationselectedcampaigntest.php?selected=10676&agencyid=1)
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There's lots of RP going on...i should probably be more vocal about the Ushra'Khan side of it now i have the reigns. Things are good 8)
We The Defiant (http://triad-eve.net/pandora/agency/stationselectedcampaigntest.php?selected=10676&agencyid=1)
What's U'K up to these days? I haven't payed them much mind since I was there for the mess in Great Wildlands a couple years ago. Is Kazzzi or his corp still around?
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Technically I am back and RPing. More realistically, I am back and talking shit in the Summit while camping wormholes for 18 hours at a time :lol:
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*looks at Mitara's post, then looks at Lyn's picture* ......
By all means, Mitty, have that ant hill. :P
Maybe this one is of some better comfort ?
(http://www.shopzeus.com/product_images/zeusd1-KIMR-881136.jpg)
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There's lots of RP going on...i should probably be more vocal about the Ushra'Khan side of it now i have the reigns. Things are good 8)
We The Defiant (http://triad-eve.net/pandora/agency/stationselectedcampaigntest.php?selected=10676&agencyid=1)
What's U'K up to these days? I haven't payed them much mind since I was there for the mess in Great Wildlands a couple years ago. Is Kazzzi or his corp still around?
When i was asked to rejoin (being one of their four founders) i made an IGS post (https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4453478#post4453478). The alliance at the time of rejoining was on its knees, i think there were a maximum of 10 actives. Since then its picked up a but, Minmatar Secret Services and Tribal Opposition have joined. Tribal Opposition had organised an RP event last night - a swarm of Firetails hitting Amarr high security space filling local with propaganda (U'K being in Minmatar Faction Warfare for a while now) :)
Minmatar Brotherhood also join us this week.
Right now its about rebuilding Ushra'Khan and embedding the values of old into it with the right corporations and the right people....to many bad apples with no interest in its history near killed the alliance off twice in the past couple of years.
Kazzzi left Ushra'Khan with his corp almost two years ago now.
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All good news :) I wish the best for U'K, flying with them was a good way to dip my toes into nullsec.
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Can confirm that I am the new Gallente whipping boy. :lol:
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Can confirm that I am the new Gallente whipping boy. :lol:
Thanks for taking my place.
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Can confirm that I am the new Gallente whipping boy. :lol:
Thanks for taking my place.
You're welcome to join me. We can be left in RP together.
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Technically I still RP, but mostly I keep myself busy with industry and play other games when it is ticking over. The 'action' in EVE has never really excited me as much as other games, so I generally use EVE as a glorified messenger app with a realistic economy sim mini game.
Still love the background though - also the fact that there are hazards to my every day travel that mean that my business plans need to have all bases covered to survive the pvp I don't go looking for!
Alignment wise I've generally floated at 'ambiguously State/Fed' in that corporate style business ventures and 'futuristic with traits of familiar societies' are my main interests in the factional lore. I tend to just roll about as an independent capsuleer who likes her liberties, thinks it would be nice to extend that to more people but only considers herself obligated to work with and for the people in her alliance.
PS - By ambiguously State/Fed I mean: "not many people really think Ael has anything to do with the Fed". It is true, I am not a contributing Fed role player and I have actually gone against the general feeling of 'what it is to be Fed' (in the words of some). However, Ael is Fed born and raised and mostly feels that the State has a 'fairer system' for a larger number of people but at an extreme price in personal liberty. As stated in Source; Federation citizens are known to go through many belief systems and lifestyles during their time. She loves her freedoms and would love to find a way to preserve individual liberty while harnessing the communal support seen in the State, but being ill equipped to do anything about it, doesn't agonize on the issue and just builds her own organisation to reflect those values.
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Can confirm that I am the new Gallente whipping boy. :lol:
DONT WORRY I STILL LOVE YOU!
I'll tell you what though, if we ever get time, Kat wouldn't mind meeting him and chatting in a less hostile and aggressive manner. She's much much nicer in person, mostly!
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Can confirm that I am the new Gallente whipping boy. :lol:
DONT WORRY I STILL LOVE YOU!
I'll tell you what though, if we ever get time, Kat wouldn't mind meeting him and chatting in a less hostile and aggressive manner. She's much much nicer in person, mostly!
No don't worry this is good! If we want new people to come in, we need big displays of open punchups, political displays, and debates. Although I do fear opening that thread now, haha.
I said to Kyllsa/Ava the other day IC that Laurentis of course is toning things up a bit in the public sphere. That's what every person who has ever engaged in a national debate ever has done, honestly. Here's hoping he won't be so bad in a private conversation, we'll have to see how he goes with that.
But yeah, when I used to play - I had a lot to do with I-RED and the ILF and whatnot then. So if I can rile them into doing RP, even if I'm no longer a 'friend' IC, then that is a victory. Now all I have to do is get everyone else going - although I think I'll need a lot more shields to hide behind before the end of it.
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Can confirm that I am the new Gallente whipping boy. :lol:
DONT WORRY I STILL LOVE YOU!
I'll tell you what though, if we ever get time, Kat wouldn't mind meeting him and chatting in a less hostile and aggressive manner. She's much much nicer in person, mostly!
No don't worry this is good! If we want new people to come in, we need big displays of open punchups, political displays, and debates. Although I do fear opening that thread now, haha.
I said to Kyllsa/Ava the other day IC that Laurentis of course is toning things up a bit in the public sphere. That's what every person who has ever engaged in a national debate ever has done, honestly. Here's hoping he won't be so bad in a private conversation, we'll have to see how he goes with that.
But yeah, when I used to play - I had a lot to do with I-RED and the ILF and whatnot then. So if I can rile them into doing RP, even if I'm no longer a 'friend' IC, then that is a victory. Now all I have to do is get everyone else going - although I think I'll need a lot more shields to hide behind before the end of it.
(http://static1.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/4845964+_a35c85fc99e341d189057492b1ec01f1.jpg)
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Can confirm that I am the new Gallente whipping boy. :lol:
Thanks for taking my place.
You're welcome to join me. We can be left in RP together.
I was actually planning on having Charles contact him at some point. There's not many diehard and/or visibly supportive Federalists I know about ; __;
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I figure I'll leave this here, again, as a reminder.
We have NeoComs in game. Use them. We don't *need* Summit, Bars, Coffee shops, bath houses, etc., though they are places where things can happen, they aren't places that they need to be initiated. Many characters have reasons to not use them 24/7.
If your character is idly wondering where another character has gone off to or where they've been or wants to drop a hello, uhm. IM/Evemail. It's an IC action as much as people flying in space instead of hanging out in bars waiting for the next generic adventure. Arista often is sending out pings to people, and recieving them, especially as she is deep in nullsec and getting out is a bit awkward at best.
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I figure I'll leave this here, again, as a reminder.
We have NeoComs in game. Use them. We don't *need* Summit, Bars, Coffee shops, bath houses, etc., though they are places where things can happen, they aren't places that they need to be initiated. Many characters have reasons to not use them 24/7.
If your character is idly wondering where another character has gone off to or where they've been or wants to drop a hello, uhm. IM/Evemail. It's an IC action as much as people flying in space instead of hanging out in bars waiting for the next generic adventure. Arista often is sending out pings to people, and receiving them, especially as she is deep in nullsec and getting out is a bit awkward at best.
Unfortunately this does nothing to help initiate RPz for newer players. As random Neocom communication is just wierd especially with someone you've never actually met.
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I think I'm going to star RPing in local at the random people I shoot. It sounds like fun.
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I figure I'll leave this here, again, as a reminder.
We have NeoComs in game. Use them. We don't *need* Summit, Bars, Coffee shops, bath houses, etc., though they are places where things can happen, they aren't places that they need to be initiated. Many characters have reasons to not use them 24/7.
If your character is idly wondering where another character has gone off to or where they've been or wants to drop a hello, uhm. IM/Evemail. It's an IC action as much as people flying in space instead of hanging out in bars waiting for the next generic adventure. Arista often is sending out pings to people, and receiving them, especially as she is deep in nullsec and getting out is a bit awkward at best.
Unfortunately this does nothing to help initiate RPz for newer players. As random Neocom communication is just wierd especially with someone you've never actually met.
It does work however with the large number of jaded motherfuckers (like myself) who are complaining there is no RP. It helps wear the jadedness back off and make them eventually *do* end up in places like Bars bath houses and other public-ly places where they *can* run into new people.
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I figure I'll leave this here, again, as a reminder.
We have NeoComs in game. Use them. We don't *need* Summit, Bars, Coffee shops, bath houses, etc., though they are places where things can happen, they aren't places that they need to be initiated. Many characters have reasons to not use them 24/7.
If your character is idly wondering where another character has gone off to or where they've been or wants to drop a hello, uhm. IM/Evemail. It's an IC action as much as people flying in space instead of hanging out in bars waiting for the next generic adventure. Arista often is sending out pings to people, and receiving them, especially as she is deep in nullsec and getting out is a bit awkward at best.
Unfortunately this does nothing to help initiate RPz for newer players. As random Neocom communication is just wierd especially with someone you've never actually met.
It does work however with the large number of jaded motherfuckers (like myself) who are complaining there is no RP. It helps wear the jadedness back off and make them eventually *do* end up in places like Bars bath houses (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_bathhouse) and other public-ly places where they *can* run into new people.
Clarification mine.
That is what you meant, right? ;)
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Well, I'm a Kingdom Khanid.
Eventually there is ALWAYS a bath-house involved! :D
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I really have to force myself to login nowadays, and I rarely last more than a few minutes. :|
Of course this would happen as soon as I sink all my assets into capitals and nullsec deployments. Can't just take a break, I'll come back and all my stuff will be locked away...
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I've fucked off, because my corporation joined CFC (and I feel megablocs are slowly killing EVE and rejoicing in doing it), and although until recently the Intergalactic Summit was still holding my attention, there are two specific people who shall at present remain unnamed who always seem to turn up in every thread and immediately make me lose interest in a thread once they've arrived.
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I think I'm going to star RPing in local at the random people I shoot. It sounds like fun.
It actually is. My pvp Alt does that, win or lose! :)
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I've fucked off, because my corporation joined CFC (and I feel megablocs are slowly killing EVE and rejoicing in doing it), and although until recently the Intergalactic Summit was still holding my attention, there are two specific people who shall at present remain unnamed who always seem to turn up in every thread and immediately make me lose interest in a thread once they've arrived.
Join me in URIEL and shenanigans. Then we can bring Faust back for Great Justice.
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I think I'm going to star RPing in local at the random people I shoot. It sounds like fun.
It actually is. My pvp Alt does that, win or lose! :)
Confirming that Luna's pvp Alt is Naup.
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Everyone left in RP appears to be slowing congregating around Intaki: This morning there was ISODE, I-RED, IPI, and ANSH (and only those) all just chilling in local.
But then again, is anyone surprised?
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Speaking of, Andreus, did you notice that the alliance your corp joined was the one I was in?
I saw you blue. It finished me. :P
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I think I'm going to star RPing in local at the random people I shoot. It sounds like fun.
It actually is. My pvp Alt does that, win or lose! :)
Confirming that Luna's pvp Alt is Naup.
Ummm
(http://i.imgur.com/D5hjrvC.gif)
*places a bounty on Laurentis*
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I think I'm going to star RPing in local at the random people I shoot. It sounds like fun.
It actually is. My pvp Alt does that, win or lose! :)
Confirming that Luna's pvp Alt is Naup.
Ummm
(http://i.imgur.com/D5hjrvC.gif)
*places a bounty on Laurentis*
She actually did.
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As she should have.
But I do suspect if Nappy had an alt, it would be hard to spot -- OOC he appears quite a level-headed normal human being.
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As she should have.
But I do suspect if Nappy had an alt, it would be hard to spot -- OOC he appears quite a level-headed normal human being.
:cube: Naup OOC.
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I made a thread! Hopefully there are some people out there who will call us out on our evilness!
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Wasn't Nauplius the alt of Tobias Primus ? Or did Tobias go unactive as a character ?
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I made a thread! Hopefully there are some people out there who will call us out on our evilness!
Yeah yeah, I took the bait.
It's only in EVE though where I expect that I'll not find much support for doing it. :bash: :D
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I for one am deeply enjoying the back and forth. Thank you two for doing this! Top readz.
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Wasn't Nauplius the alt of Tobias Primus ? Or did Tobias go unactive as a character ?
I haven't heard from Tobias for quite a while; Nauplius is not his alt.
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whoever's alt nauplius is they have been very sportsmanlike about me griefing him. :bash:
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I got burned out and have gone on a break. I seem to be only able to keep my interest in EVE for a short while at a time since I don't enjoy the game itself that much. Though I should really log back in and update my skill queue.
Also echoing what Andreus said about the IGS.
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I've fucked off, because my corporation joined CFC (and I feel megablocs are slowly killing EVE and rejoicing in doing it), and although until recently the Intergalactic Summit was still holding my attention, there are two specific people who shall at present remain unnamed who always seem to turn up in every thread and immediately make me lose interest in a thread once they've arrived.
Kale Silence and Claudia Osyn ? They're teh only two that seem to post in lots of threads. vOv
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I've fucked off, because my corporation joined CFC (and I feel megablocs are slowly killing EVE and rejoicing in doing it), and although until recently the Intergalactic Summit was still holding my attention, there are two specific people who shall at present remain unnamed who always seem to turn up in every thread and immediately make me lose interest in a thread once they've arrived.
Kale Silence and Claudia Osyn ? They're teh only two that seem to post in lots of threads. vOv
Funny how art imitates life, and capsuleers on the Intergalactic Summit are just like trolls on Earth's internet. They're not trying to ruin the cluster, they're just trying to ruin OUR cluster. ;)
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I've fucked off, because my corporation joined CFC (and I feel megablocs are slowly killing EVE and rejoicing in doing it), and although until recently the Intergalactic Summit was still holding my attention, there are two specific people who shall at present remain unnamed who always seem to turn up in every thread and immediately make me lose interest in a thread once they've arrived.
Kale Silence and Claudia Osyn ? They're teh only two that seem to post in lots of threads. vOv
Funny how art imitates life, and capsuleers on the Intergalactic Summit are just like trolls on Earth's internet. They're not trying to ruin the cluster, they're just trying to ruin OUR cluster. ;)
I don't know either of them, I just notice they post in most threads. Or give the impression of doing so. vOv
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Also echoing what Andreus said about the IGS.
I am curious now!
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I'm guessing one of the people being Diana Kim, who often has lot to say but has kind of a one track mind. Who knows. IDGAF.
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I'm guessing that this kind of speculation probably is near the limits of appropriate for Backstage. If you all want to point fingers, do so ingame please.
Andreus was pretty clear he didn't want to name people individually, and that was the responsible decision to make.
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I feel this answers both the current speculation and initial topic question.
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I'm guessing that this kind of speculation probably is near the limits of appropriate for Backstage. If you all want to point fingers, do so ingame please.
Andreus was pretty clear he didn't want to name people individually, and that was the responsible decision to make.
Ingame I'm reachable as "Odelya d'Hanguest."
:yar:
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I've fucked off, because my corporation joined CFC (and I feel megablocs are slowly killing EVE and rejoicing in doing it), and although until recently the Intergalactic Summit was still holding my attention, there are two specific people who shall at present remain unnamed who always seem to turn up in every thread and immediately make me lose interest in a thread once they've arrived.
Kale Silence and Claudia Osyn ? They're teh only two that seem to post in lots of threads. vOv
I am for Claudia Osyn for ISD. They would be the perfect moderator for IGS and it would be nice if they became one. :lol:
Also, Odelya, Awesome Avatar!
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I feel this answers both the current speculation and initial topic question.
ikr.
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I have found that to be the opposite of true.
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The question is "who's left," not "who's actively getting off their fucking lazy ass and doing shit," Grae. ;)
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The question is "who's left," not "who's actively getting off their fucking lazy ass and doing shit," Grae. ;)
Hive mind detected. But pretty much this. People seem to have largely discovered the joys of RPing in their own environments on their own (or friendly) terms, instead of engaging in the Tumblr-esque parade of artificial outrage and line blurring that public Rp can become. Not to say public RP doesn't have it's place, but I'm certainly enjoying kicking back on my terms instead of throwing snippets into the wind elsewhere.
So who is left in RP? Everyone who is. What does it matter so long as you can meet one or two like minds?
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Optimistic numbers.
Your results may vary of course.
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Makes me wanna resub and get back up to my old shit. Just too much effort anymore :(
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The question is "who's left," not "who's actively getting off their fucking lazy ass and doing shit," Grae. ;)
Hive mind detected. But pretty much this. People seem to have largely discovered the joys of RPing in their own environments on their own (or friendly) terms, instead of engaging in the Tumblr-esque parade of artificial outrage and line blurring that public Rp can become. Not to say public RP doesn't have it's place, but I'm certainly enjoying kicking back on my terms instead of throwing snippets into the wind elsewhere.
So who is left in RP? Everyone who is. What does it matter so long as you can meet one or two like minds?
In the OP, the question was raised by a vet returning after a two-year absense, but the fact that active players are still asking the question six months later indicates to me that there's little reassurance at present that one can meet those like minds outside of 'public RP' (along with the associated complications which it can inspire). One could roll alts until they had a concept that matched well with an existing clique, and try to insinuate one's self into the drama, but that would limit one's effectiveness in actual gameplay. Clone Grade Alpha is not conducive to W-space superiority, for example.
I'm thankful that there is at least an OOC channel for chatting up RP enthusiasts, as most of the small-time lowsec operators I used to have contact with have left the game. While there's no character development, it's still more entertaining than the client itself or writing mediocre fanfiction.
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Absolutely, OOC and The Summit provide a forum for meeting new people, as do the CCP channels. No debating that at all.
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I've fucked off, because my corporation joined CFC (and I feel megablocs are slowly killing EVE and rejoicing in doing it), and although until recently the Intergalactic Summit was still holding my attention, there are two specific people who shall at present remain unnamed who always seem to turn up in every thread and immediately make me lose interest in a thread once they've arrived.
Kale Silence and Claudia Osyn ? They're teh only two that seem to post in lots of threads. vOv
I don't think I'm too much worse then the general population of the ISG, just a bit more.... everywhere?
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Kale Silence and Claudia Osyn ? They're teh only two that seem to post in lots of threads. vOv
I don't think I'm too much worse then the general population of the ISG, just a bit more.... everywhere?
I don't think you're worse than anyone else on the IGS either, and hello !
so I'm still baffled as to who it is that "turns up everywhere" in an upsetting manner, an unresolvable enigma, it seems, vOv.
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Kale Silence and Claudia Osyn ? They're teh only two that seem to post in lots of threads. vOv
I don't think I'm too much worse then the general population of the ISG, just a bit more.... everywhere?
I don't think you're worse than anyone else on the IGS either, and hello !
so I'm still baffled as to who it is that "turns up everywhere" in an upsetting manner, an unresolvable enigma, it seems, vOv.
An unresolvable enigma that should remain unresolved, frankly.
The comment itself was passive-aggressive flamebait designed to make someone take it personal, call him on it, and derail the thread - just not to the point of making me moderate it or report it to bring it in front of the team for discussion. Poking him to go ahead and be more direct about it is no more productive.
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GUYS ITS CLEARLY ME, I AM THE ONE WHO SHOWS UP IN THE THREADS, THE ONE WHO SHALL NOT BE NAMED.
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GUYS ITS CLEARLY ME, I AM THE ONE WHO SHOWS UP IN THE THREADS, THE ONE WHO SHALL NOT BE NAMED.
You! Even when it was the bears I knew it was you.
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GUYS ITS CLEARLY ME, I AM THE ONE WHO SHOWS UP IN THE THREADS, THE ONE WHO SHALL NOT BE NAMED.
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The comment itself was passive-aggressive flamebait designed to make someone take it personal, call him on it, and derail the thread - just not to the point of making me moderate it or report it to bring it in front of the team for discussion. Poking him to go ahead and be more direct about it is no more productive.
I don't see how it was 'designed' to do all that. It was an honest remark about the circular nature of IGS these days, which is frankly true--the threads lately (at least, last time I was regularly looking) almost always devolved into page after page of the same stuff that's been in every other thread, regardless of what the actual topic of the thread was supposed to be about.
Andreus's comment seems to peek the interests of gossip and rumor mongers who absolutely must know who the anonymous persons are, but I would imagine the point of them being left anonymous was explicitly to avoid making it a topic of public discourse.
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recently, I've been interacting with another player, who said they felt a bit bored.
We did missions in a fleet, lol, and then had conversations about stuff, with the result that the other player said they felt a lot less bored with EVE and RP, and were enjoying themselves.
Op success \o/
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The comment itself was passive-aggressive flamebait designed to make someone take it personal, call him on it, and derail the thread - just not to the point of making me moderate it or report it to bring it in front of the team for discussion. Poking him to go ahead and be more direct about it is no more productive.
I don't see how it was 'designed' to do all that. It was an honest remark about the circular nature of IGS these days, which is frankly true--the threads lately (at least, last time I was regularly looking) almost always devolved into page after page of the same stuff that's been in every other thread, regardless of what the actual topic of the thread was supposed to be about.
Andreus's comment seems to peek the interests of gossip and rumor mongers who absolutely must know who the anonymous persons are, but I would imagine the point of them being left anonymous was explicitly to avoid making it a topic of public discourse.
This.
It is definitely provable that there are a number of people who have a habit of derailing IGS threads or causing them to devolve into the same old shit we've heard so many times we know it by heart. There is absolutely nothing wrong with someone a statement that uses this as an explanation for why they are no longer giving a shit about the forum as long as they do not name names. It's not flamebait. What it is, if anything, is shit-stirrer bait.
The gossip and rumour-mongers only "need" to know the identities of the culprits in public because they want to make noise about it. I would wager that most people who have been active over the last several months in either posting on or reading the IGS have a very good idea of who the people in question might be, and claiming that they have no idea is likely either disingenous or deliberately obtuse on their part.
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That's a whole lot of attribution of motive all of a sudden.
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Having at one time been on Andreus' personal shit list as 'the worst Amarr RPer he's ever seen' I welcome my fellow anonymous outcasts to the land of milk and honey. Still heart you Andreus, don't worry :)
Carry on!
From what I see from my tangential vantage point it sounds like the 'active' rp population in the traditional interaction zones is at an all time stagnant sort of level, although the more intimate, private interactions remain a good source of dynamism.
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Quite frankly, I'm just pissed at the amount of people on IGS who constantly post and try to comment on current affairs yet they haven't touched the game in weeks, months, or longer. It's a dissuading force from me hopping on there, because there's nothing I can do to them outside of refuse to like their posts, damnit.
I've recently been sitting in private conversation-like channels with at least two individuals; one of which is a channel for just asking odd, peculiar questions about the other character to help character build. It's a fun little activity that makes me smile and keep wanting to flesh out Charles more and more. The other is an active RP thing that at least keeps me interested in roleplay. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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I would wager that most people who have been active over the last several months in either posting on or reading the IGS have a very good idea of who the people in question might be, and claiming that they have no idea is likely either disingenous or deliberately obtuse on their part.
So, you say I am being disingenuous or being deliberately obtuse then ?
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I would wager that most people who have been active over the last several months in either posting on or reading the IGS have a very good idea of who the people in question might be, and claiming that they have no idea is likely either disingenous or deliberately obtuse on their part.
So, you say I am being disingenuous or being deliberately obtuse then ?
Ever think maybe, that I'm not as smart as other people, and don't pick up on stuff that you think is obvious ?
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I would wager that most people who have been active over the last several months in either posting on or reading the IGS have a very good idea of who the people in question might be, and claiming that they have no idea is likely either disingenous or deliberately obtuse on their part.
So, you say I am being disingenuous or being deliberately obtuse then ?
Ever think maybe, that I'm not as smart as other people, and don't pick up on stuff that you think is obvious ?
Yeah, I have no idea who's being talked about either. Mostly because I don't pay too much attention to the IGS and also because I am cursed with being dense about subtlety :D
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I'm half right.
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I find the vast majority of public RP these days such as in the Summit/s or IGS particularly formulaic and predictable, honestly. It feels like the real preference is to just go through the motions of the same old cliches and factional tropes, that there's nothing really engaging or new because for a lot of topics and participants you can already pretty much auto-generate in your head what's going to be said just based on past experience.
I mean okay, missionary can be cool and all most days but you know sometimes you wonder when you're going to be able to get to throw your car keys in the bowl once in awhile.
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I find the vast majority of public RP these days such as in the Summit/s or IGS particularly formulaic and predictable, honestly. It feels like the real preference is to just go through the motions of the same old cliches and factional tropes, that there's nothing really engaging or new because for a lot of topics and participants you can already pretty much auto-generate in your head what's going to be said just based on past experience.
I mean okay, missionary can be cool and all most days but you know sometimes you wonder when you're going to be able to get to throw your car keys in the bowl once in awhile.
^
/me ignores the fact that V is probably talking about me.
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I find the vast majority of public RP these days such as in the Summit/s or IGS particularly formulaic and predictable, honestly. It feels like the real preference is to just go through the motions of the same old cliches and factional tropes, that there's nothing really engaging or new because for a lot of topics and participants you can already pretty much auto-generate in your head what's going to be said just based on past experience.
I mean okay, missionary can be cool and all most days but you know sometimes you wonder when you're going to be able to get to throw your car keys in the bowl once in awhile.
^
/me ignores the fact that V is probably talking about me.
Well I didn't really think you were the kind to want to have a car key party. Who knows maybe if you're lucky you can fly off with me into the night in my Condor?
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I find the vast majority of public RP these days such as in the Summit/s or IGS particularly formulaic and predictable, honestly. It feels like the real preference is to just go through the motions of the same old cliches and factional tropes, that there's nothing really engaging or new because for a lot of topics and participants you can already pretty much auto-generate in your head what's going to be said just based on past experience.
I mean okay, missionary can be cool and all most days but you know sometimes you wonder when you're going to be able to get to throw your car keys in the bowl once in awhile.
^
/me ignores the fact that V is probably talking about me.
Well I didn't really think you were the kind to want to have a car key party. Who knows maybe if you're lucky you can fly off with me into the night in my Condor?
Yes.
Whatever this means, yes. Ok.
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In answer to the original post:
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Quite frankly, I'm just pissed at the amount of people on IGS who constantly post and try to comment on current affairs yet they haven't touched the game in weeks, months, or longer. It's a dissuading force from me hopping on there, because there's nothing I can do to them outside of refuse to like their posts, damnit.
I've recently been sitting in private conversation-like channels with at least two individuals; one of which is a channel for just asking odd, peculiar questions about the other character to help character build. It's a fun little activity that makes me smile and keep wanting to flesh out Charles more and more. The other is an active RP thing that at least keeps me interested in roleplay. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I completely sympathize on the 'correspondence chess' school of EVE RP, as I am guilty of it myself and realize the shortfall of content it leaves. Sometimes I just want an option to maintain presence when my access to the client is limited.
Other times it's the only form of interaction that makes sense. I suspect it's simply a hazard of playing outside the faction loyalist realm.
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The comment itself was passive-aggressive flamebait designed to make someone take it personal, call him on it, and derail the thread - just not to the point of making me moderate it or report it to bring it in front of the team for discussion. Poking him to go ahead and be more direct about it is no more productive.
I don't see how it was 'designed' to do all that.
[admin]You don't have to.[/admin]
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Quite frankly, I'm just pissed at the amount of people on IGS who constantly post and try to comment on current affairs yet they haven't touched the game in weeks, months, or longer. It's a dissuading force from me hopping on there, because there's nothing I can do to them outside of refuse to like their posts, damnit.
Some of us don't have the time to play anymore, and the occasional post brings us back to the comfort zone we used to live in.
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Also, there a re a lot of people posting on the IGS, logging in on EVE regularly, but you won't be actually able to 'do' anything to them in EVE anyway.
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Considering a few things atm.
1) Are there people that stopped playing that could be interested in RP-ing again ?
2) Is there a way to circumvent the (very understandable) trend for players consisting to RP in their own private little circles as a way of protection against fast food RP as found in the summit and similar channels (most of the time, not always) ? Meaning, is there a way to pierce through those private circles to find RP for people that do not have the right connections (besides skilling RP connections to 5) ?
3) People left RP-ing but having stopped playing seriously to the game for a while are more numerous that I initially thought it seems. How is constantly spitting on them for the simple reason that "they do not have any tangible, measurable epeen ingame so they should stop self masturbating with their grand RP declarations" helping the matter ? More precisely, are people ready to just RP their characters together with them, playing rhetorics with them, and doing all the RP stuff that can be found besides the game (that we can consider very limited or not RP wise depending on the eye of the beholder) ? Or are people only interested in pew pew RP (because even ingame activities like mining and running missions is not worth more than being seen as an insignificant insect) ?
4) How to reconcile the unreconcilable, which are those stupid timezones ?
Personally considering returning only for RP and investing myself in it (still not interested in the game) in spite of the price, but considering some players relations towards point 3), it's rather disheartening. Also, point 2) is the biggest hurdle imo.
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Can't speak to some of the others, but on the Amarr end we've done fairly well by the simple measure of having an IC channel open to anyone playing an Amarr, Khanid, Ammatar, or otherwise faithful character, backed up by a moderation team willing to handle people getting out of hand. We also have an OOC channel for Amarrtypes as well as any non-Amarr interested in doing an Amarr-related event, arc, or just discussion/questions. These don't necessarily have the most RP in them, but they do serve as good jump-off points to meet and get involved with people.
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Considering a few things atm.
1) Are there people that stopped playing that could be interested in RP-ing again ?
Well, yeah. I haven't even really stopped yet, but I'm thinking of coming back once I've upgraded my hardware a bit. I've got some ideas for an new char. It's always been the racing that made me start the client again, but it's always been the RP that kept me around long after the races stopped again.
2) Is there a way to circumvent the (very understandable) trend for players consisting to RP in their own private little circles as a way of protection against fast food RP as found in the summit and similar channels (most of the time, not always) ? Meaning, is there a way to pierce through those private circles to find RP for people that do not have the right connections (besides skilling RP connections to 5) ?
Good question. Not sure if this is an answer, but I tend to find decent RP in Capsuleer venues and social gatherings of all sorts, and meet interesting characters there.
3) People left RP-ing but having stopped playing seriously to the game for a while are more numerous that I initially thought it seems. How is constantly spitting on them for the simple reason that "they do not have any tangible, measurable epeen ingame so they should stop self masturbating with their grand RP declarations" helping the matter ? More precisely, are people ready to just RP their characters together with them, playing rhetorics with them, and doing all the RP stuff that can be found besides the game (that we can consider very limited or not RP wise depending on the eye of the beholder) ? Or are people only interested in pew pew RP (because even ingame activities like mining and running missions is not worth more than being seen as an insignificant insect) ?
How can it be masturbation if you don't have tangible epeen? It sounds more like autoerotic fantasizing. :lol:
Anyway, it's probably not helping a lot?
Playing rethorics with them, I have no problem with. My char does have some problems with grand declarations if he thinks they are overly pompous.
Speaking personally, and I know I'm somewhat of a rarity, but my main is Ché, and Ché is pretty pacifistic, so not much pew-pew RP for me so far.
4) How to reconcile the unreconcilable, which are those stupid timezones ?
Quit your 9-5 job and marry someone who works irregular hours.
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For 4 i meant more that a lot of RPers did their time with the game itself and still continued RPing besides. It was very frowned upon or right away aggressively attacked by some RPers that considered that they held no right to continue RPing since they were not really participating in space too. Especially not pew pewing to make their point across.
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Can't speak to some of the others, but on the Amarr end we've done fairly well by the simple measure of having an IC channel open to anyone playing an Amarr, Khanid, Ammatar, or otherwise faithful character, backed up by a moderation team willing to handle people getting out of hand. We also have an OOC channel for Amarrtypes as well as any non-Amarr interested in doing an Amarr-related event, arc, or just discussion/questions. These don't necessarily have the most RP in them, but they do serve as good jump-off points to meet and get involved with people.
There is a similar IC channel for Minmatar RP that is fairly active.
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Laurentis: for reference - "Throwing your keys in the bowl" the start of Swinger's party, in which married couples go home with different partners for sexual encounters at the end of the social party part of the night.
The moral of the story is you should be very careful as to what you agree to do with Veikitamo. ;)
Anyway, the questions. Yeah there are ways, but see, everyone who is a bittervet (or a returning vet) is also a metagamer and a PvP speciliaist, and anyone not waving your corporate flag - is an enemy.
Don't bite my head off yet, let me explain. ;)
EVE is about the meta. It's nearly unconciously ingrained in us. Would we walk our character into a room with a group of people we basically know OOCly are evil fucks (they MUST BE. If they weren't, we would have been *friends IC with them already*.)? Even with an OOC promise of 'You will not not be bled Dry, infected with Nanites, or be forced to go to Church every Sunday' as some varying examples of Eve-vil ;) .. people will start even generating connections in their heads (and if quicker, parsing Summit logs of years) to find where they heard each bad thing that would IC-ly in a "PREVENT RP META CAUSE AINT SUPPOSED TO DO THAT!" way to prevent their char from going to that place in the first place. You can META-LOSE as easily as you can META-WIN, and in general, none of us wanna lose. (Topic was disccused earlier/elsewhere), which.. forces us internally to meta to not meta to meta again. See?
Say you can *avoid* all that with OOC pre-planning. Well, now we're scriptwriting. Some roleplayers in some communities have no issue doing that sort of shit and more power to them - I was always a wild card 'you see what you get' sort of person and that seems to fit with the emergent gameplay dynamic which is EVE. That very dynamic though prevents scriptwriting - one person does one thing and breaks someone's script, and woops, OOC feelings get hurt, people don't know how to shoot from the hip.. I don't friggin' know. It's always a mess. People get mad enough that they can't change another character's mind IC with what they OOCly fell is "steel trap logic!!!" .. Imagine these archetypes of players trying to scriptwrite and then rolling with it when 'someone ruins it'.
(As an aside, RPing here i finally feel more like the rule than the exception when it comes to RP. I used to love blowing people's minds to smithereens in EQ2 cause it never seemed to occur to people that somoneone saying something in character could actually be lying, and then never actually tell that person OOC it is a lie -- and that was fair. I'd never OOCly tell them I told the truth (and be OOC lying)- but I never told them I was ICly lying either, this telling them the truth. But, I mean, come on. a Good Templar is going to HELP an evil ceremony? Their fault for being stupid, not mine or the 12 other players I brought with me.. ;) )
And that is THE THING, or -- that's where in my observations - a lot of fractioning started and stayed and has been for.. well, forever.
These people can not go to this place because THEY WILL RUIN IT, and they can not have alts in our corp because OOC META.
Maybe somewhere somewhen (checks watch) mm last incident I can think of is at least a .. year.. old.. now.. of some faction ZYZed showed up and RUINED A THING. An RP thing, robbed a corporate hangar with an alt, whatever.
We're EVE Players. We have long memories. We remember the "a thing" happening even if that person isn't playing anymore. We remember the thing even if it was 2, 3, 4, years ago. There is still a name thrown around of someone I have literally never seen as if this person's head is going to pop up on IGS any second, and I think they were gone 6 months before I started RPing.
And the other side does, if they're active still.. well. They remember too. It widens, like a gulf, and has been widening, for months and months and months. Once in awhile there has been some nose touching, but the number of those noses has been getting ess and less.
The Community Leader types of people we've had are vanishing. I don't mean the ZOMG THESE ARE EVIL RINGLEADERS (and they may be to some -- but guess what, they ARE community leaders to others, and YOUR community leader is an evil ring-leader to the other side of the fences...) but all of them, those painted with both brushes, or solely one brush, or the other brush, are vanishing, having run completely out of Fucks for Bullshit.
Anyway.
Which is why I said - send an EVEmail to people! The first EVEmail I ever sent to Shere?
I had NEVER SPOKEN TO HER IN MY LIFE IC OR OOC. - I JUST KNEW SHE WAS A RESEARCHER.
Throw crap in your bio that might make another Capsuleer contact you. Find some idle reason to contact another Capsuleer.
This isn't D&D. Not every adventure needs to start in a bar.
Specially since, most bars are factional, and why? Not because they were DESIGNED as such, but because we as a community DEFINED them as such, based on the creator, its location in space, etc.
Which creepily, this stream of concious nonsense has proved that the RP community has turned into a metaphorical pile of squealing miner carebears who don't wanna lose a ship or fly one with guns on.
But anyway. ;)
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1) Are there people that stopped playing that could be interested in RP-ing again ?
Only if people start taking the task fo dealing with elements and people that are genuinely toxic to the community seriously.
2) Is there a way to circumvent the (very understandable) trend for players consisting to RP in their own private little circles as a way of protection against fast food RP as found in the summit and similar channels (most of the time, not always) ? Meaning, is there a way to pierce through those private circles to find RP for people that do not have the right connections (besides skilling RP connections to 5) ?
Again, I feel like getting our proverbial church roof in order would be extremely helpful in this regard. I feel like a major reason people keep to their own little circles is because they can thusly control contact with people they've become tired of having to interact with if they roleplay in public. I know for sure as hell that's what happened with me.
3) People left RP-ing but having stopped playing seriously to the game for a while are more numerous that I initially thought it seems. How is constantly spitting on them for the simple reason that "they do not have any tangible, measurable epeen ingame so they should stop self masturbating with their grand RP declarations" helping the matter ? More precisely, are people ready to just RP their characters together with them, playing rhetorics with them, and doing all the RP stuff that can be found besides the game (that we can consider very limited or not RP wise depending on the eye of the beholder) ? Or are people only interested in pew pew RP (because even ingame activities like mining and running missions is not worth more than being seen as an insignificant insect) ?
I find people who continue roleplaying but make it impossible or impractical to interact with them in any other way incredibly boring, so I just tend to ignore them.
4) How to reconcile the unreconcilable, which are those stupid timezones ?
Just call it what it is - sleep schedules. People get used to sleeping for eight hours a day at a fairly certain time, so when they sleep is when they sleep.
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So Roleplay is still alive and vibrant in New Eden?
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4) How to reconcile the unreconcilable, which are those stupid timezones ?
Just call it what it is - sleep schedules. People get used to sleeping for eight hours a day at a fairly certain time, so when they sleep is when they sleep.
I meant more through an OOC perspective. People play in different TZ, which means at different times, which then means that they do not see each other very often. It is one of the biggest factor dividing players.
I have spent more than a year in KotMC for example, where most RPers were located in PST. I never got to see them most of the time, was sleeping. The only moments I could do something was when I forced myself to stay awake all night, or when one of them had their day off. Even week ends were not guaranteed.
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4) How to reconcile the unreconcilable, which are those stupid timezones ?
Just call it what it is - sleep schedules. People get used to sleeping for eight hours a day at a fairly certain time, so when they sleep is when they sleep.
I meant more through an OOC perspective. People play in different TZ, which means at different times, which then means that they do not see each other very often. It is one of the biggest factor dividing players.
I have spent more than a year in KotMC for example, where most RPers were located in PST. I never got to see them most of the time, was sleeping. The only moments I could do something was when I forced myself to stay awake all night, or when one of them had their day off. Even week ends were not guaranteed.
For that issue in EQ2 my guild did guild forum RP sections. But people need to know how to forum RP for that, ofc.
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It also requires people to trust each other far more than is typically considered 'reasonable' in EVE.
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It also requires people to trust each other far more than is typically considered 'reasonable' in EVE.
That. And a specific style of writing. And if there is forum RP combat.. well.. if you think IG TiDi is bad... ;) Its the same "attempts to" "makes a move to" etc, but you're writing out an attack in paragraphs.
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So Roleplay is still alive and vibrant in New Eden?
Alive? Yes. Vibrant? That's highly subjective.
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I am arround. Not that I matter much.
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I am arround. Not that I matter much.
Officially?
No one matters much.
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I'm around. If anyone wants to rp with me, the channel is: Cerra Manor: The Terrace
All are welcome :)
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still around, yes. though i RP in channels when it takes my fancy.
i rp in space when i undock, however.
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I decided I'm not taking a break just yet. But I've gone from a yearly to a monthly sub. I think I will be mostly tieing up loose ends, and figuring out exactly what Ché will be doing when I unsub.
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I still play Eve, but I don't really RP anymore. You can only have CCP shit on your toys so many times before you shrug and stop playing with toys that can be shit on.
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I'm still technically around, but I mostly lurk in OOC. But then, outside of Corp/Alliance I'm in most channels lurking. Sometimes I pick up some fun intel. Most of the time it is quite. And that is EVE Online :lol:
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I still RP, but it's mostly like this now:
(http://i.imgur.com/YIbmT1o.png)
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There is some RP still alive in me, most is in private channels or random "RP" blog posts and corp/alliance update. But I have never been huge fan of IGS RP forum pew.
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I'm still here :3
Resubbed recently and trying to ignite the RP scene. *goes back the his hideout planning mischievous things™*
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I'm here. Will be for a long time.