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EVE-Online RP Discussion and Resources => The Summit (IG Channel Discussion) => Topic started by: Katrina Oniseki on 31 Oct 2013, 14:48
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=291726
I don't know if Isis Dea watches these boards, but I for one would like to give her a round of applause for this thread. I'm not sure if she's making fun of the Summit haters, or if she's simply trying to stir them into a frenzy for everybody's amusement, or if she's just raising a legitimate IC gripe about who runs the Summit. I don't know which, but I like it.
Zero sarcasm here, that thread is Gold Plated Winsauce.
I always found it odd that nobody ever complains about the faction representatives who moderate the summit. We don't hear enough complaints about people of an opposing faction being mods. Like, why do Amarr folks tolerate Ava? Why do Minmatar tolerate Graelyn? Why do Pirates tolerate me? Why did I tolerate Tib?
So, with popcorn in hand, I shall sit down and wholly enjoy that thread. Please, continue.
:D
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I remember there was brief commentary about this before, but then there was much elitism among the snugglesluts and butthurt all around and noone ever questioned anything again. Until now. Just waiting on the snub nosing and butthurt starting to flow.
I too follow this with glee and popcorn. Although for other reasons than Kat, I suspect.
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Yes. More people actually complaining about it is very nice. Sami's regularly bitched in quiet about it. <.<
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One of the issues I have with the IC/OOC bleed over in the Summit is there are incidents where OOC friendships and m8m8m8 crosses into IC tolerance of characters that logically you would expect to detest each other (or at least one way) and be almost incapable of stomaching their presence without verbally challenging them or making their opinions clear.
The other IC/OOC bleed is if the player behind the character avoids confrontation RP because they as a player don't enjoy it, even though it's what their character would do.
The Summit is never going to be perfect in terms of RP quality when people make OOC concessions, however it serves a function of cross platform/organisation RP in a place that doesn't spill out into e-fights and godmodding, and for that reason (and the fact that the mod team do a great job being neutral and keeping the place relatively shit free) I overlook the niggling issues of what I perceive to be unrealistic. It's like sitting down at a dinner table for two hours with people who absolutely cannot stand each other, and be surprised that no one threw a steak knife at someone else's head at any point during.
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Trust me, most of the moderators (as characters) have at least one other moderator (character) whose throat they would slit (or some equivalent) IC given the appropriate opportunity.
It's not a silly complaint IC - far from it - but I think some people may be overestimating the level of IC collusion and cooperation there is between the moderators. The only reason certain combinations of moderators even work together in that channel in the first place is because we as players are trying to work as a team.
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I don't know, there's a difference between hating the Amarrian Empire and hating every single Amarrian you ever meet. Racism tends to melt in the face of integration, and capsuleers are routinely exposed to people they don't like. So someone might hate the Minmatar Republic, everything it stands for, and everything it is, but could easily say Ava is "one of the better ones".
People are complicated. TS-F is a bit of a different take, though. Dea's probably spot on there; everybody has every reason to be suspicious of a Sansha-style mod.
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Until, of course, they interact with him.
You would be hard pressed to find a case where his loyalties have ever affected his professionalism either IC or OOC.
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Sure, until he tries to download an app and ends up becoming Ursula, the Sea Witch.
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You'll have your looks.. your pretty face.. and don't forget the importance of body language....
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It wasn't until I got older that I realized how sexual Ursula is.
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Until, of course, they interact with him.
You would be hard pressed to find a case where his loyalties have ever affected his professionalism either IC or OOC.
The thing is, the professionalism and capability don't really mean much. As I just pointed out IC on the IGS thread, by permitting them it legitimizes them. Just because you might be the most professional moderator in the world doesn't really mean anything to those who don't want to recognize you in any legitimate capacity. Principles and all that.
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Frankly?
"Oh well."
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A language is just a dialect with an Army and Navy.
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Capsuleers are hard to kill permanently. The only true victory over an opposed capsuleer is to change their thinking to better fit with your own views. The only way you can do this is by communicating with them.
Now by communicating with Sansha types what you are effectively doing is trying to change Kuvakei's outlook by virtue of what his little helpers are passing back to him. A very long-term project to be sure. But podders are all about the long term. Or should be if they have any sense.
This is also why talking to fundamentalists and fanatics gets very boring after a while. If there is no reasonable hope of influencing them, then why interact beyond the use of weapons?
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=291726
I don't know if Isis Dea watches these boards, but I for one would like to give her a round of applause for this thread. I'm not sure if she's making fun of the Summit haters, or if she's simply trying to stir them into a frenzy for everybody's amusement, or if she's just raising a legitimate IC gripe about who runs the Summit. I don't know which, but I like it.
Zero sarcasm here, that thread is Gold Plated Winsauce.
I always found it odd that nobody ever complains about the faction representatives who moderate the summit. We don't hear enough complaints about people of an opposing faction being mods. Like, why do Amarr folks tolerate Ava? Why do Minmatar tolerate Graelyn? Why do Pirates tolerate me? Why did I tolerate Tib?
So, with popcorn in hand, I shall sit down and wholly enjoy that thread. Please, continue.
:D
Lyn made once or twice very snark remarks on that infamous "no slaves in there" rule as far as to call them colossal hypocrites (and she rarely calls people names like she did that time, it's highly unproper), but since it was seriously flirting with the same issue but OOCly, then I considered that it was unsane/unhealthy and I made her stop, though she still thinks no less, and me neither OOCly. I was going to answer ICly at Samira something in that vein "What is truly ridiculous is that slaves on display are forbidden and not Voluvals", but I won't.
Generally you have your answer here. People will rarely make their character criticize the mod team since it basically bleeds all over OOC inevitably. But Caellach said it better above than myself.
Trust me, most of the moderators (as characters) have at least one other moderator (character) whose throat they would slit (or some equivalent) IC given the appropriate opportunity.
It's not a silly complaint IC - far from it - but I think some people may be overestimating the level of IC collusion and cooperation there is between the moderators. The only reason certain combinations of moderators even work together in that channel in the first place is because we as players are trying to work as a team.
I think we already touched that subject somewhere else (can't find it back) but the fact that everybody seems to call everybody by their first name so casually, it doesnt help at all to feel the animosity either.
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Volauvents don't cause the immediate descent of every conversation they're brought up in to a pit of hate and bile - although Amarrians talking about God comes pretty close to doing that, so maybe that should be barred too? But then that's two Amarrian things that you can't talk about and no things from anyone else. Come to think of it, if Slaves are banned, then why aren't True Slaves?
My theory on this matter was that, basically, if I have to tolerate out and out supporters of the diametrically opposed Empire, why can't I tolerate people like Serpentis or Gurista or Sansha that I just don't run into very often?
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But that was exactly my point, as soon as you start to forbid a cultural facet of one empire, you will restrain loyalists of said side in their RP on the said venue. We are lucky that Amarrian loyalists do not start to make a fuss about Voluvals like some do with slavery (because a lot of people do not really remember or know how disgusting the Voluval can be). All of this slavery thing mostly stems from OOC bleedovers.
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I'm not too sure on the details of the banned slaves for The Summit, so correct me if I'm wrong, but slaves PCs aren't banned out right unless they are shown to be an obvious troll. NPC slaves that PCs bring into 'view' is against the rules, though, and Nation supports don't go around having True Slaves hand them tea and nibbles over The Summit.
Discussion of slavery isn't banned but can rapidly descend into rather retarded back and forth 99% of the time.
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I'm not too sure on the details of the banned slaves for The Summit, so correct me if I'm wrong, but slaves PCs aren't banned out right unless they are shown to be an obvious troll. NPC slaves that PCs bring into 'view' is against the rules, though, and Nation supports don't go around having True Slaves hand them tea and nibbles over The Summit.
Discussion of slavery isn't banned but can rapidly descend into rather retarded back and forth 99% of the time.
In a nutshell, more or less.
As has been pointed out multiple times in the past, pretty much all but one or two of the moderators either have no strong position on slavery one way or the other, or support it in some fashion - or support organizations that fit either of those two.
And again, we also discriminate against Gallente with the "no nudity" rule. Just saying.
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You'll often see people 'handed stuff', and sometimes, people just off camera. It's likely just a good rule in general to keep ANY baseliners off camera. The most common would be slaves, prisoners, or security, that a capsuleer would keep around their person, in my head anyway. People that that particular character would simply consider 'living extras' to themselves. The Summit is a Capsuleer's space though, not a place to hold court.
As it is, people seeing 'other people' on someone else's feed causes a reaction. Seen it several times. Sometimes its funn, cooll, moving RP. The seeing slaves one prolly got annoingly tedious cause of course, people then wanna go rescue them, and the person with the slaves is possibly OOC going 'no, fuck you' and so there you go.
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I'm not too sure on the details of the banned slaves for The Summit, so correct me if I'm wrong, but slaves PCs aren't banned out right unless they are shown to be an obvious troll. NPC slaves that PCs bring into 'view' is against the rules, though, and Nation supports don't go around having True Slaves hand them tea and nibbles over The Summit.
Discussion of slavery isn't banned but can rapidly descend into rather retarded back and forth 99% of the time.
In a nutshell, more or less.
As has been pointed out multiple times in the past, pretty much all but one or two of the moderators either have no strong position on slavery one way or the other, or support it in some fashion - or support organizations that fit either of those two.
And again, we also discriminate against Gallente with the "no nudity" rule. Just saying.
I don't see how gallente = nude...
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While not truly nudity, Gallente are associated with transparent clothing.
I think that particular rule (at least partially) stemmed from a character whose summit feed only seemed to work when he was in the bathtub.
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Really, I thought it was the attention seeking bodymorph catgirl.
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While not truly nudity, Gallente are associated with transparent clothing.
I think that particular rule (at least partially) stemmed from a character whose summit feed only seemed to work when he was in the bathtub.
He was minmatar iirc.
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Really, I thought it was the attention seeking bodymorph catgirl.
It predates her.
Unless you mean a different attention-seeking bodymorph catgirl. Actually, the person I'm thinking of was a rabbit girl. Nevermind.
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We had a whole lot of people deciding that showing up naked was a great idea. It wasn't just one person. The naked Gallentean Catgirl was certainly an impetus though.
Bath guy wasn't actually as bad.
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People should remember that camera drones being activated via priority signals to find people in comrpmising positions should onyl be happening in semi-private RP for hilarity value, not the damned Summit :D
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Really, I thought it was the attention seeking bodymorph catgirl.
It predates her.
Unless you mean a different attention-seeking bodymorph catgirl. Actually, the person I'm thinking of was a rabbit girl. Nevermind.
Cat girl is at least a year old, pushing two now.
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Really, I thought it was the attention seeking bodymorph catgirl.
It predates her.
Unless you mean a different attention-seeking bodymorph catgirl. Actually, the person I'm thinking of was a rabbit girl. Nevermind.
Cat girl is at least a year old, pushing two now.
Actually, she was biomassed in a fit of rage and/or attention seeking.
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Really, I thought it was the attention seeking bodymorph catgirl.
It predates her.
Unless you mean a different attention-seeking bodymorph catgirl. Actually, the person I'm thinking of was a rabbit girl. Nevermind.
Cat girl is at least a year old, pushing two now.
Actually, she was biomassed in a fit of rage and/or attention seeking.
Thank f##k for that.
But my point was I'm pretty sure she was the reason the no nudity rule was added.
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And this... this is why any time you see Reppy in a channel that isn't a real physical room, it's a simulated projection.
Means she can be doing aaaaaaaaall kinds of things while appearing completely refined and normal :P
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=7659
As I understood things, there were enough of them to constitute a wave.
There was also a dude that was in a bathtub, for reasons.
Just over 2 years ago now.
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And this... this is why any time you see Reppy in a channel that isn't a real physical room, it's a simulated projection.
Means she can be doing aaaaaaaaall kinds of things while appearing completely refined and normal :P
This. :cube:
Although seriously, I should apologize for the fireworks display. While there were a few things I wanted to confirm about The Summit, I didn't want to stray too much from the terrorist character and firebat of Isis. (I even pushed it with making that list for you, Kat… but even that was in no way any OOC jabs. I just got done with a post in Ava's topic about Isis's statement toward her there.)
Ruffling feathers is what I aim to do and purely IC in doing that. OOC-wise, I absolutely adore what you guys have got going (Tiberious has been more than fair and will continue to no matter what, always ending up the more mature against Isis's rants. And Silas just needs to collar Isis and throw her in a cage somewhere).
The channel is just full of so many little opportunities for Isis to be herself… :twisted:
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And Silas just needs to collar Isis and throw her in a cage somewhere).
I think you'll be disappointed, sweety, that's not really Silas' thing.
I know a few other people for whom it might be, though. :lol:
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Eh, the Summit has been like that since we hopped in capsules. It's an unwritten rule that has just worked and enables communication.
As for nekkid, I'd just like to draw the jury's attention to the old Gallente character portraits :twisted:
Oh and bunnies...? Don't get me started :oops:
btw, is there an opening for a Thukker-Matari Blooder Sansha as mod? haha! :psyccp: