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Archives => Katacombs => Topic started by: Seriphyn on 02 Sep 2013, 17:20
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So I caved in and returned after a month break, to find that reputation is everything and opinions are hard to change. I saw the Beansnakes channel was quite busy so I debated going in, but admittedly I was shy, so I sort of baited in an OOC channel...
[20:44:13] Seriphyn Inhonores > /emote wonders if he should go into beansnakes
[21:59:17] xxx > you can go in now, we all left.
[22:00:37] xxx > ^
Maybe I should have just dived in, but I spoke to someone on the side about stuff and the conversation was as below. The player has only been around for a couple months and it's alarming, really.
[22:49:57] Seriphyn Inhonores > what do you hear about seri ic/ooc?
[22:50:03] xxx > Lots of stuff.
[22:50:09] xxx > From lots of people, none of it good.
[22:50:28] Seriphyn Inhonores > why?
[22:51:03] xxx > Why what?
[22:51:10] Seriphyn Inhonores > i haven't done anything wrong
[22:54:00] Seriphyn Inhonores > esp. that i was gone for a month
[22:54:55] Seriphyn Inhonores > what do they say?
[22:55:13] xxx > Lots.
[22:55:41] Seriphyn Inhonores > like?
[22:56:10] xxx > [22:55:13] xxx > Lots.
[22:57:01] Seriphyn Inhonores > would you/they rather see me gone?
[22:57:20] xxx > I would think yes.
[22:57:37] Seriphyn Inhonores > don't you think that's all a little sophomoric?
[22:59:39] xxx > A bit, but I can't say they're wrong.
I can't exactly start a new character because EVE RPers love to try and identify who the player is, and if that was revealed, the OOC bad mojo would creep in again. Combine that with the fact I'm a terrible deceiver so the facade wouldn't last long anyway. It seems hopeless.
I mean, I RP with individual characters on a 1-on-1 basis but that feels compartmentalized and on some different continuity. I see characters that are alts that by default lack the same sort of depth as a main, and they still get more RP interest than Seri. What's the point? I like to believe I put some effort into playing Seri to some sort of acceptable level, but since he was never a 'get along with everyone' character from the beginning...meh.
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I say play Seri if you want and let the rest be damned. If you can still have fun then do it and dont look back.
If you want to start another character then start another character, but do it completely. By completely I mean new char, possible new faction, different mindset, and different forum account. Go complete immersionist or avoid OOC in game to keep from spilling the beans about who you used to be. It could still be possible on here perhaps but at least on the forum you can think longer about what you say to make it so its harder.
On a side note I do have to say that I personally enjoyed interacting with Seri when I was on Simca even though things went a bit south and got semi awkward I always liked the character and how you played him. :D
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Seri, this is why I've never liked you OOC. Havo hating your character is a given, he hates everyone. But I've never liked you as a player because of... well, this entire charade you've put on, starting with the "death" of your character.
It was a clear attempt at seeing what people think about you as a player. And now, when you inevitably seek to have "The Great Return", you can't just DO it without groping about for validation on some sort of emotionally insecure pre-emptive self-pity shit. Sophomoric? Yes, Seri, your behaviour has been exactly that.
Just play your fucking game*, man, stop being so bloody emo about it.
*Because that's what it is: a fucking game.
EDIT: To answer the question posed in the OP, No. If your goal in playing Seri is to somehow find OOC validation, then no. There's no point. A video game cannot validate your life.
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I see characters that are alts that by default lack the same sort of depth as a main, and they still get more RP interest than Seri. What's the point?
I dunno, what is the point of playing Seriphyn as you play him?
We have all told you numerous times why Seriphyn the character is rejected wholesale from large sections of the community. Because he acts like a womanizing douchebag. It doesn't matter to people just getting to know him if he's the world savior under all that sleaze and snark. Few characters will care enough to give him the time of day.
I don't understand why you don't understand this.
Yes, newsflash, reputations are hard to change. Call CNN and BBC and tell them we have a story on our hands! This is precisely why many players create a likable main character, so we don't have to put up with being rejected and RP-blocked. Yet you decided it was a better choice and more artistic to play the Byronic Hero on whatever pretenses as your primary character... well now you get the reap the rewards of playing that kind of character for so long.
It sucks, I know... but now you understand why those poor lesser scrubs with 'less character depth' have a better time. Because it doesn't make our skin crawl to be around them. If you want to change public opinion, you're in for a long haul.
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TIL Seri had depth.
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Seriphyn, I've had you perma-blocked in game for months now. And I rarely bother to post in many forums. But, seeing as how you MIGHT be figuring it out, I'm going to give this one to you...
I didn't block you because of anything done IC'ly, even though Seriphyn as a character proved to be egotistical, emotionally manipulative, borderline abusive, self-entitled, and a womanizer of epic proportions. That is just what kept him from getting anywhere with Erys. No, I refuse to speak to YOU because after the fact, you wouldn't stop whining about it, declared that you, and only you, should receive special treatment, and pestered my ALTS when you got blocked from my main.
As for this recent attention ploy, which is all it was... Either biomass or don't. You've dug your own pit, so either start climbing, or stay there. But stop wasting everyone's time with these childish stunts for attention.
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The lesson you ought to be taking away from all of this, Seri, is this: If you as a player cannot handle the consequences and repercussions of RPing a particular kind of character, you should not be RPing that particular kind of character.
You play a character that is known, widely, to be (or have been) an arrogant, disrespectful, inconsiderate, womanizing prick. Even to the people who for some reason decide to give him a shot on the off-chance he's only like that in public and that it's just a front. Good for you. It's great that we have that kind of character running around, because you're right - it would get pretty boring with nobody ever getting mad at or fighting with one another - but you can't, in the same breath, complain that people don't want to RP with you on that character, and not expect to get laughed at. Most people do not like being around that kind of person in real life. How then, is it unrealistic or unreasonable, for our characters to just ignore it for the sake of giving you something to do? We're playing our characters true to themselves: it would be breaking our immersion and RP to do so, just for your sake. It's not going to happen.
You often make comments (more like complaints) about how some of us (me, for example) play overly likable characters that get away with a lot of friendships and relationships they, in your eyes, should not be able to get away with. I think you are getting the difference between liking someone and respecting someone mixed up. Liking someone is not a prerequisite for respecting them, and should never be one. Yes, Morwen has a lot of friends in a variety of seemingly-contradictory places, who, put together into one room, would probably result in a hell of an incident report for the police. But she also has a fair number of enemies and rivals from a variety of places as well. Many of Morwen's enemies still respect her to some level or give such an impression, even if they don't like her, and in many cases the reverse is true.
I told you the other night, in response to some complaints you were having about certain characters avoiding you, that I felt the problem was probably with the way you approached them. Asking people out on what amounts to an "entry-level date" is not a productive way to go when your character has the reputation described above. You come on too strong, and it's just not appealing to some people, who will then retreat and remove themselves from a situation they aren't comfortable in. When those characters happen to be friends with other characters who have had similar experiences with Seri, it should come as no surprise to you when that is the reaction you get when you don't change your fucking playbook.
But a lot of this is beside the point: it wouldn't bother most people, if their characters' reactions didn't bother you so much that you felt it necessary to complain or take the piss about it on a regular basis.
Anyway: to answer your question more directly, the answer is yes. There is a point to playing Seri. It's a character archetype that is sorely needed in many respects, because the lack of it is unrealistic. However, I do not get the impression that you are able to handle playing the part of that archetype and the responses it gets without being able to keep it from bleeding through.
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short answer: Yes.
/me hugs
Longer answer: Seriphyn's recent brain surgery gives an opportunity to reset some things - therapy and the like, rehabilitation and so forth.
Seriphyn's forthrightness on several issues is useful for many other characters, to use as an example/counterexample - It's hard to argue about morality of Gallente culture, without a suitable target to bounce statements off.
Light gives form to darkness, but also, without darkness, how can you see the light ?
I might write some more later.
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If you're asking the question, you're probably also answering it.
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I rarely RP directly with anybody, nor is it my interest point. But the backstory surrounding Seriphyn is solid and fairly interesting.
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Well it's nice to know that Beansnakes is still busy. I regret not setting up some moderators before I dropped my subscription now.
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Ouch! You've made a very strong impression on people!
Having never spoken with you OOC I can't address any of the points that others have made regarding Seriphyn the player. My comments will be about Seriphyn the character.
I've been "around" in Eve for quite a while, especially active in the IGS but, until quite recently had no direct interaction with Seriphyn in-game (Ana and Seri may have traded jabs in the IGS but I can't recall). I have to tell you honestly that I'd heard many bad things about him; basically they all boiled down to the fact that he was an egotistical dick. I didn't know about the womanizing or any of the rest but, didn't need to. Ana would have absolutely no use for someone like that and would simply avoid them. So I was greatly surprised when our characters met for the first time in-game through a mutual friend last weekend and we all had a very enjoyable time RPing a scene that went on for quite a while. During that time Seri was polite, personable and funny; totally opposite to what Ana (and myself) expected.
I guess my point here is that despite Seriphyn's baggage, it's very possible to rebuild his reputation. Anyone would have had fun being around him that day. You have to decide which "version" of Seri you want to use--the original or v2.0 from last weekend.
I play Ana as a very emotional, sometimes sarcastic, profanity using semi-hardass but, she's also thoughtful, friendly and compassionate most of the time. I try to make her a little confrontational without crossing over to being an ass because it wouldn't be fun or interesting for me plus, no one would want to associate with her. I hope that you can a similar balance (assuming that's what you want).
Damn, almost forgot; I vote for keeping Seriphyn around in either version. He's an interesting character.
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Sometimes that thread is exactly what makes me hate that community tbh.
Faced the same issue in the past, got the same kind of inconsistent answers. People asking at the same time to have more conflict and characters like that, not having the guts to create one themselves, and then spitting on said characters when they start to... bruise their fun ingame ? What the hell ? Make up your mind. Carebear RP or not ?
Why complaining when a "character like that" eventually arrives when it is what is supposedly expected and lacking ? Because it's not done "right" ? Ah, I got it, it's that he is doing it wrong then ?
No, I just think that most in this community can't make up their minds, they want their cake and eat it, sugarcoated with a lot of IC/OOC bleedover.
Ok, whatever are your private dramas. I'm not privy of a lot of the supposed stuff that happened here OOCly as well. But starting to make sure that everyone does not go RP with him and make sure to ruin his whole RP experience ingame ? That is seriously disgusting.
When I read stuff like "Maybe the more that you dislike napaani and say it the more people will actually like it" OOCly on these very forums, and that shit does not even get catacombed, that it makes me seriously wonder if you could just tell people "gtfo" to gain a lot of time and effort.
Because maybe Seri is a douche OOC with you in private, who knows, can't see it myself, but from a detached point of view, it's all of you who seriously sound like douches.
My post is catacomb worthy, I know, like most of the ones posted here anyway. The red line has been crossed a long time ago.
That thread just looks like a lynching mob rushing on fresh meat that came here in the first place to ask for feedback. Maybe he could do it better, maybe not, but the way most people answered is just damn crazy and completely out of the rules of conduct enforced here (myself included).
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Sometimes that thread is exactly what makes me hate that community tbh.
Faced the same issue in the past, got the same kind of inconsistent answers. People asking at the same time to have more conflict and characters like that, not having the guts to create one themselves, and then spitting on said characters when they start to... bruise their fun ingame ? What the hell ? Make up your mind. Carebear RP or not ?
Why complaining when a "character like that" eventually arrives when it is what is supposedly expected and lacking ? Because it's not done "right" ? Ah, I got it, it's that he is doing it wrong then ?
No, I just think that most in this community can't make up their minds, they want their cake and eat it, sugarcoated with a lot of IC/OOC bleedover.
Ok, whatever are your private dramas. I'm not privy of a lot of the supposed stuff that happened here OOCly as well. But starting to make sure that everyone does not go RP with him and make sure to ruin his whole RP experience ingame ? That is seriously disgusting.
When I read stuff like "Maybe the more that you dislike napaani and say it the more people will actually like it" OOCly on these very forums, and that shit does not even get catacombed, that it makes me seriously wonder if you could just tell people "gtfo" to gain a lot of time and effort.
Because maybe Seri is a douche OOC with you in private, who knows, can't see it myself, but from a detached point of view, it's all of you who seriously sound like douches.
My post is catacomb worthy, I know, like most of the ones posted here anyway. The red line has been crossed a long time ago.
That thread just looks like a lynching mob rushing on fresh meat that came here in the first place to ask for feedback. Maybe he could do it better, maybe not, but the way most people answered is just damn crazy and completely out of the rules of conduct enforced here (myself included).
Can't really say it better than this. I have no horse in this race, but a quick overview very quickly goes into the realm of 'we accept X snowflake, but Y? F*** that guy!'.
The number of people trying to enact OOC wish fulfillment IC is probably a good percentage of roleplayers in general, and yet it seems many are quite willing to crucify Seri far beyond how much he deserves. There are valid points made against him, but are we seriously the kind of community to flay a man alive, instead of just letting a thread like this die?
I see a few people here who just love to preach turning the other cheek when their OOC buddies act like the proverbial mule, but who feel justified in typing a napalm-esque post in reply to what is, yes, an unashamed attention grab, but one no more toxic than the limbo-defyingly low-bar that has been set by the accepted standards set in almost all public venues already.
Consider me disappointed, for what it is worth. As for Seri, stop doing this to yourself. You have constructive chats with a handful of people and I've not yet seen negative reaction to the output you have generated all on your own from those discussions. Call on these sources to rebuild and move on if you wish, but climbing up on the cross like this is not going to do anything other than attract this sort of vilification.
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Just play your fucking game*, man, stop being so bloody emo about it.
HTFU by any other phrase is still HTFU. Physician heal thyself.
On the actual topic. Question is do you have fun playing Seriphyn? If not, then mothball the toon and try something new. If you do, carry on soldier and if you feel the need for change, do it don't poll it.
PS. I agree with Lyn, you people can be such a horrible bag of dicks sometimes.
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No, I just think that most in this community can't make up their minds, they want their cake and eat it, sugarcoated with a lot of IC/OOC bleedover.
That old issue never appears to go away and it is certainly not limited to this incident. But, it is also a discussion for another thread.
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Thing is, if you recognize Seriphyn is not a, "Get along with everyone" type of character persona then why bemoan that fact as a player? I mean I've had conversations OOC with you at a level that I think was courteous but in the end the fact remains that when I'm playing with a character persona then interactions will go from there and if my characters have reason to be hostile or disparaging towards Seriphyn Inhonores as a character (Which they might) then they will do so. I will however try and make distinctions as best I can between the character and the player.
Sometimes I guess that failure to make distinctions between character persona and the player combined with how invested some players can seem to be in their characters is what seems to raise so many issues to me. I've enjoyed interacting with certain characters but loathed their players and I've loathed interacting with certain characters but loved chatting to their players. However it feels too often to me that so many characters are just direct extensions of their players. To the point that when you're thinking and acting along the lines, "Well I've got good reason for my character to be a dick to this character" the other party responds in a manner along the lines of, "Why is this other person being such a dick to me?"
I don't think that's ever going to change so if you're looking for advice then accept that if you enjoy playing your character the way they are then continue doing so. Just as much as you have to accept that some people take RP very seriously, get deeply emotionally invested in it, and won't be able to make distinctions between a fictional persona and the player/actor behind it. There's nothing wrong to me if such people get upset beyond the Fourth Wall by your own character because they took make-believe RP seriously.
That, and you're never going to please everyone, so why bother trying?
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I see characters that are alts that by default lack the same sort of depth as a main, and they still get more RP interest than Seri. What's the point?
I dunno, what is the point of playing Seriphyn as you play him?
We have all told you numerous times why Seriphyn the character is rejected wholesale from large sections of the community. Because he acts like a womanizing douchebag
Yet so is Anslo to an extent but he gets nowhere near as much shit, especially with all this OOC crap seeping everywhere.
@Seri. Plow through and do as you please. Ignore the haters and find the people that actually give a damn. Don't bother trying to befriend people who made negative opinions of you from the words of another person. Hell, or anyone who have negative opinions of you. It's not worth the time.
You wanna do something? Find those who care about you and talk to you, and stick with them. Rebuild from there, stack up a new reputation, and make it so that no one can say a damn thing to you because you have more than enough action and credibility to back you. It's tough, it's long, it's arduous.
It's worth it.
EDIT: Also +1 to Vince, Aelisha, and Lyn. Even the mods are coming in and bashing the guy. Yeah, he made mistakes. Yeah, he can be a douche. But just outright shit talking him and throwing out the rules because :seriphyn:? You fucking kidding me?
The hell is wrong with you people? Suck it up and ignore him if you don't like him. Character development is meant for constructive criticism, isn't it? Most of this shit here? Not constructive.
Get over it people, Jesus Christ.
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Why complaining when a "character like that" eventually arrives when it is what is supposedly expected and lacking ? Because it's not done "right" ? Ah, I got it, it's that he is doing it wrong then ?
Nope. The negative reaction Seri's gotten here has less to do with his RP and how he's doing it and much, much more to do with how he cries for attention OOC by whining about the negative response his character gets from other characters.
I will use myself for comparison:
I am an alright dude.
Seri-mun is probably an alright dude.
I play a terrible prick of a character who has had some pretty damn good non-prick RP with a very few interesting characters (like Aria Jenneth, Merdeneth, Louella Dougans, Cer'ana, etc. - notice two of those, arguably a third, are quite naturally enemies of my character).
Seri-mun plays a character that many regard as a prick for one reason or another (egotism, womanizing, etc.) who has had some pretty damn good non-prick RP with an indeterminate but apparently small number of characters as shown by those characters' players' testimonials in Seri's numerous "attention" threads.
I know going into all of my RP interactions, ingame or on the IGS that Havohej is not going to be well received IC and that quite probably there will be many players who don't do the IC/OOC Divide thing very well and who will thus dislike me OOCly as much as they dislike Havohej.
Seri-mun says he knows that his character isn't the sort everyone will get along with, he has been RPing in this game AND active in its OOC community long enough to also know that many Eve RPers are terrible at keeping OOC and IC separated and, since he's never been accused of stupidity, it stands to reason that he must also know that this means some people are going to dislike him OOC because of his character's actions and behaviours. (I will reiterate for the sake of thoroughness that my dislike of Seri-mun has nothing to do with his character or how he plays it; I've only ever interacted with him on the IGS and once, ingame, when Havo entered a room in which he was talking to one of Havo's employees in Du'uma Fiisi and Seriphyn immediately left rather than face a confrontation with his recent IGS antagonist. Nothing against the character on an OOC level, but yeah... Havohej the character really does hate just about everybody - including Cer'ana and Merdaneth... his jury's out on Louella and he actually liked Aria Jenneth and wonders what became of her from time to time - but I digress).
I accept all of the above.
Seri-mun whinges about it incessantly, often casting aspersions of his own at other players whilst doing so.
Truth be told, I could nuke the entire thread just on the strength of the OP and its wholesale YDIW to the Community at Large: "I put so much effort into playing Seriphyn, but all of you mean people/bad roleplayers choose to RP with stupid alts, which can't have the same depth as a main, instead of me!" This insults not only hundreds of players on this very forum, some of whom have posted right here in this thread in support of Seri-mun (irony), but is a "YDIW" applied indiscriminately to thousands of characters.
When people say this about this particular player, they are not exaggerating, they are not unfairly picking on him, they are not forming up in cliques to dogpile a member of an enemy clique (shit, I've never RPed with any of the other posters in this thread and Morwen and I talk in the ingame Backstage Staff channel maybe once in a fortnight). They are stating fact which can be stated in no more diplomatic way and thus has largely gone unstated on this forum. Well, I've watched this nonsensical behaviour for way too long. I go away for 3 years, come back, and nothing's changed. Same old Seri-mun, not getting his way in Eve RP and in turn doing the most dramatic thing he can and hoping it gains him more acceptance/fixes his reputation, but instead of waiting to see the organic results he just can't resist attention whoring.
I've watched other players behave this way... I've also watched them eventually "get the picture" and figure out the best way for them to interact with a community bigger than themselves (Note: I do not say that they figured out how to get more people to like them, I say they figured out how to interact with the community/culture of the game in a way that does not upset them/impede their enjoyment OOCly).
Just as much as you have to accept that some people take RP very seriously, get deeply emotionally invested in it, and won't be able to make distinctions between a fictional persona and the player/actor behind it. There's nothing wrong to me if such people get upset beyond the Fourth Wall by your own character because they took make-believe RP seriously.
Lots of irony in this thread. The irony in your post is that Seri-mun is actually just the type of player you are warning him of. Deeply emotionally invested, has trouble making distinctions between people not liking him IC or OOC vs. liking him OOC or IC and gets upset beyond the fourth wall because of taking make-believe RP seriously. Go through his posting history... or if you don't feel like putting forth the effort, just look at this thread and the one he started a little while back when he first did the whole "Seri's dead" RP 'event' on the IGS.
Now yeah, Backstage has some pretty strict rules. As it should. But you know what? When I see someone come in front of an internet forum and ask people what they think of him and/or why they view him and/or his character in a negative light IC and OOC sooooo many times, fishing for people to say nice things about him OR his character (which, given his habit of taking negative things about his character personally OOC, it's probably just as well for him whether a compliment is in regards to his character or himself).
Character development is meant for constructive criticism, isn't it? Most of this shit here? Not constructive
I apply the above to your own post. You see, after literally years of watching this same player pull these same OOC self-pity stunts over shit that happened to his character IC, all that stuff you said about "Oh, just find people who like you (is this how the echo chamber thing that everyone complains about/criticizes happens?) and stick with them" and "Oh, if they don't like you they're not worth your time", none of that rubbish is constructive for him. He's been told the same every single time he makes one of these threads, and by many of the same people. Obviously he's not constructing anything with this advice. Because nobody is making the criticism. Because the criticism is of the person himself: that he is too emotional about the whole damned thing and cannot separate IC from OOC, therefor he takes every little negative IC thing and internalizes it OOC until he just can't take it anymore when none of it should ever be taken seriously anyway. Pointing out this negative trait/tendency and advising that he work on it seems quite the constructive criticism to me given that the alternatives have been seen to go in one ear and out the other... in fact, the alternatives are only enabling and encouraging the behaviour that I've criticized.
As far as advice goes, the best advice he's been given here (other than to stop taking shit so personal/emotional) was where Aelisha said to "Stop doing this to yourself, Seri".
EDIT: And yes, the whole thread is terrible in terms of Backstage's rules, including the OP itself which I pointed out, and it will be Catacombed. However, having posted in it, I've a conflict of interest, so I'm not moderating shit. Here's hoping that maybe actually having the criticism part of "constructive criticism" applied unflinchingly will help Seri-mun to see that it's not him or his character that needs to change, nor is it everyone else and everyone else's characters, but merely his OOC reaction to everyone else and their characters. vOv
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I've been far too overwhelmed by the level of vitriol in this thread to give any of the posts a proper read, bar the ones in my defence, because lord knows I could do with that in face of the potency of the venomous comments here.
We've seen attention grab threads on Backstage before, but never have I seen a response like this. In fact, most of the time it was sympathetic, particularly if it was a female character and/or player that was posting, or simply anyone without the baggage. All of this comes from private drama, too, for never once have I criticized or berated individual players in OOC as many of you have done at some point.
I don't really get the womanizing thing either, considering 90% of the RP community e-fuck each other on a regular basis. One character has a 12 inch tongue for god's sake. We all know what that's for.
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So that's "Seri-mun" now ? Can I get my derogative pet name too ?
Anyway havo, you missed my point completely.
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So that's "Seri-mun" now ? Can I get my derogative pet name too ?
Anyway havo, you missed my point completely. Not defending Seri on that aspect at all.
You know what ? It's a war between the Summit/OOC echo chamber and satellite members. Again.
What does that suffix even mean?
EDIT: For the uninitiated http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mun
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So basically it's nothing but YDIW for Seri. I'm not saying Seri is flawless. But this crap? This thread? Everyone jumping on him and YDIW'ing as opposed to giving something more substantial?
And it not being catacombed?? What the hell, man?
Also the constructive bit went out the door with that passive aggressive -mun crap.
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From that link Ael gave, Seri-mun is basically the same as saying Seri(p) to denote that Havo is talking about the player rather than character. Not sure what is derogatory about that.
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So basically it's nothing but YDIW for Seri. I'm not saying Seri is flawless. But this crap? This thread? Everyone jumping on him and YDIW'ing as opposed to giving something more substantial?
You're not paying attention. Re-read my last post re: the YDIW accusation. I'm not YDIW'ing him or his RP. I don't give a fuck what he does with his character. I'm "Learn not to think that people not liking your character means there's a vast conspiracy against you and find a better, more realistic way to bolster your real-life self-esteem than trying to cultivate the good opinion of people playing an internet video game while at the same time playing a character whose actions you know will be poorly received by most"ing him.
And it not being catacombed?? What the hell, man?
Nobody's got around to it yet. And as I said, I won't because I've posted here, so... :conflictofinterest:
Also the constructive bit went out the door with that passive aggressive -mun crap.
For fuck's sake, Anslol, read the post RIGHT BEFORE YOURS where the definition of the suffix -mun is explained. It's old-school RP, back from the 90's, RPing in America Online chatrooms (for me, anyway... the term's existed since well before that).
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My apologies for the -mun thing. It sounds like a negative pet name, and it was used in a specific way that I havent seen anywhere else (only here) and I didnt think it was actually a slang word at all, just... a pet name of sorts.
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Truth be told, I could nuke the entire thread just on the strength of the OP and its wholesale YDIW to the Community at Large: "I put so much effort into playing Seriphyn, but all of you mean people/bad roleplayers choose to RP with stupid alts, which can't have the same depth as a main, instead of me!" This insults not only hundreds of players on this very forum, some of whom have posted right here in this thread in support of Seri-mun (irony), but is a "YDIW" applied indiscriminately to thousands of characters.
I wasn't going to touch this thread with a ten-foot pole (because I recognize that shit can stink more if it gets stirred up), but damn, man, you're right. As someone who has had a number of alts, all of whom I like to think I created to have some depth to them, I probably should be offended.
But I'm not, because his opinion on my characters does not impact the way I play this game.
Look, Seri, I don't understand either why some characters are loved and some aren't. There are some out there who make my teeth grind, others whom I like a great deal, and quite a few who I believe are underappreciated. The same goes for players. There are folks out there who play characters whom I could watch all damn day, but I can't stand to be around them OOCly, and people whose OOC company I enjoy even if I don't appreciate their characters.
By the same token, I imagine other players may have similar perspectives on me and my characters, if they even think about me/them at all.
I stressed that last bit for a reason. From my perspective, your problems may stem from your wanting to be noticed, and your being frustrated that there seems to be nothing you can do in order to ensure that your characters receive a constant stream of positive attention.
Go find the people who like your characters. Go build something great with them. Don't worry about the rest of the sandbox.
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I've been far too overwhelmed by the level of vitriol in this thread to give any of the posts a proper read, bar the ones in my defence, because lord knows I could do with that in face of the potency of the venomous comments here.
We've seen attention grab threads on Backstage before, but never have I seen a response like this. In fact, most of the time it was sympathetic, particularly if it was a female character and/or player that was posting, or simply anyone without the baggage. All of this comes from private drama, too, for never once have I criticized or berated individual players in OOC as many of you have done at some point.
I don't really get the womanizing thing either, considering 90% of the RP community e-fuck each other on a regular basis. One character has a 12 inch tongue for god's sake. We all know what that's for.
First, I was going to say that despite everything, I give everyone a chance to prove their worth to me. Yes, I have been given warnings about various characters and players in EVE and I do listen. However, I am a person who likes the think the best of people and I also don't go digging for dirt. Also, my first interactions with Seri IC went well for the most part with perhaps a hint of awkwardness, but I chalked that up to two new people trying to find a common ground. This interaction was before I had been told about Seri's reputation.
So, IC, a couple of people warned Steff about their past experiences with Seri. Steff listened to it IC and at the time could not match what they were saying to her own experience. So, yes, now she had some other opinions about Seri, but till proven otherwise, she was/is willing to give Seri a chance.
However, and I really don't care if this gets me a temp ban from Backstage or what, but you sir are a piece of work. You really are. You sit there on your supposed high horse claiming innocence when in fact you are anything but. You bitch and moan about stuff happening in game when you know full well why. We all make mistakes and I'm dealing with the consequences of some of the decisions I've made IC in the game, but you don't hear me bitching and complaining that people are treating me differently. Fucking own up to your own shit-pile before you even start making disparaging claims against or towards other players.
Some of the earlier posts, though critical of your character, are insightful and some are probably out of frustration and seeing the same thing over and over again.
Truth be told, I found aspects of Seri to be quite interesting despite the IC/OOC stuff I have come across. And in most cases, even against my better judgment, Steff currently has no real reason to actual put Seri off. That said, you do have a strongly negative reputation that works against you. Either clean it up through actions and interactions or live with it. You've made your current bed...don't like it, change the fucking sheets.
I recognize the fact that this post is not linear in thought progression, but I don't do linear in certain circumstances and I find it difficult to get a point across without violating trust and privacy. So, my advice to you, do some serious reflecting upon the character and what you want to do about the reputation you have built by your own actions.
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And a dedicated reply post just for you, Seri.
We've seen attention grab threads on Backstage before, but never have I seen a response like this. In fact, most of the time it was sympathetic, particularly if it was a female character and/or player that was posting, or simply anyone without the baggage.
Yes, we have. Typically one single attention thread from each individual who has a moment of needing to do so. In my eyes, none of them are any prettier than yours at the end of the day, all are quite unfortunate, but there is one key difference here: "Typically one single attention thread from each individual" vs. "Your bi-annual installment." By comparison, mate, you pretty much do this sort of thing all the time. Like I said in an earlier post, I pretty much ignore it most of the time, glance through to make sure everything's staying chill in the thread, maybe comment on it in the Mods' board or in the ingame channel and make a point of just not looking at it anymore.
This morning's installment just happened to find me poorly equipped to ignore... well, anything. And you DID come right out and ask for opinions here on whether there was any point to playing your character. I maintain that if you're going to continue seeking validation vicariously through his fictional interactions with fictional people and the subsequent opinions that all of the MUNS have of you as a real-life person... then no. There is no point. All that will come of it is more of you going through this... whatever this is that you've been going through all this time. Given that you continue going through it, I can't imagine it is fun or otherwise enjoyable.
I don't really get the womanizing thing either, considering 90% of the RP community e-fuck each other on a regular basis. One character has a 12 inch tongue for god's sake. We all know what that's for.
And this is a fine example, by the way, of your casting aspersions on other players, which I also mentioned before in an earlier post.
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I don't really get the womanizing thing either, considering 90% of the RP community e-fuck each other on a regular basis. One character has a 12 inch tongue for god's sake. We all know what that's for.
This is exactly the kind of thing that Havo was talking about when he said you cast aspersions of your own towards others when you post threads like this (hey look, he snuck it in before I did). If these numbers were true, then it'd mean the RP community is a hell of a lot larger than anyone thought. On the size of a medium to large alliance.
But it also begs the question: Why should you care what other people do between themselves, in private, on their own time? Is this about you deciding whether it's worth continuing with Seriphyn or not, or is it about you being jealous of other players who are able to, if they feel like it, have access to ERP when you can't?
Anslo: I didn't know that criticism had to be coated in honey to be considered constructive instead of YDIW. (Newsflash: it doesn't, get over it.) He started the thread and asked for honesty. He got what he asked us to give him. If he wasn't going to like the response that, by now, he should have expected, he should not have literally asked for it.
I wasn't saying YDIW regarding his RP at all. If anything, I was saying he was at least doing the RP right, and that it is his reaction, as a player, to the reactions of other characters towards his RP, that needs adjusting.
And what Havo said about conflict of interest. We've posted, we're not going to mod in this thread unless people start slinging racial slurs or the like. Seriously, if moderators weren't allowed to participate in any thread they might have an opinion on, nobody would do it because they'd never be able to post.
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[mod]Flamebaity post followed by flames. To clear some things up: It isn't YDIW if someone asks 'Am I doing it wrong?' and you just say 'Yes'. Still, a lot of these posts were at best borderline, and the OP was either blatant flamebait or shows a breathtaking lack of awareness. That being said, for everyone who responded, just because you post something you consider to be true doesn't mean it doesn't run afoul of the rules. I would encourage everyone (including the mods involved - I think I will when I get home from work) to reread the FAQ and Rules. Particularly the bits on posting politely.[/mod]