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DUST 514 RP Discussion and Resources => DUST 514 Character Development => Topic started by: Avio Yaken on 30 Jul 2013, 13:10
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ok so idk if this is the correct sub-forum so forgive me but...
i been working on a interesting backstory for Foley & after countless dart throws (terrible accuracy) at what i know of Dust lore i came up with a idea
FAILED PROTOTYPE!
i red Templar one and my favorite parts were when they talked about the trial & error of getting cloned soldiers to work out
i was thinking Foley could had been a failed subject due to him losing all his memories during the process & that he is basically insane....OH & emotional issues sometimes
i got the idea not only because hes flaws but also because he was made long ago in closed beta which i believe was actual prototype testing
feel free to call me a idiot btw
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The failed prototypes suffered a lot more than just memory loss. They actually have a Sleeper (the actual Sleeper person) inside their head. Literally two personalities, one of them completely alien and psychotically insane/pissed.
I don't know if you 'can' play a First Gen DUST soldier, like if it's okay with PF or not... but I know Foley would have to be a lot less harmless than he is now.
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The failed prototypes suffered a lot more than just memory loss. They actually have a Sleeper (the actual Sleeper person) inside their head. Literally two personalities, one of them completely alien and psychotically insane/pissed.
I don't know if you 'can' play a First Gen DUST soldier, like if it's okay with PF or not... but I know Foley would have to be a lot less harmless than he is now.
eh - i was 80% sure the idea wouldn't work, was worth trying
BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD!
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You can still use the idea for more conventional brain/memory damage, or just a modest/humble second generation soldier failure. It is always interesting to play a reject, either trying to better himself or just lost in alcohol or whatever...
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I'd have to agree with Lyn in that you can still make use of some of your concepts, just tweak them a bit. Nothing wrong with brainstorming and asking questions. I did that a bit when I first was developing Steff's backstory and still do ask questions about certain things as I explore the universe through the character.
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The failed prototypes suffered a lot more than just memory loss. They actually have a Sleeper (the actual Sleeper person) inside their head. Literally two personalities, one of them completely alien and psychotically insane/pissed.
I don't know if you 'can' play a First Gen DUST soldier, like if it's okay with PF or not... but I know Foley would have to be a lot less harmless than he is now.
eh - i was 80% sure the idea wouldn't work, was worth trying
BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD!
Why not have Sleeper whispering obscenities in his head and distract him every damn time? He could suffer like Jarum Samyl did. If he is shouting at that bugger in his head in the middle of a firefight, everyone will know he is not right in the head.
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The failed prototypes suffered a lot more than just memory loss. They actually have a Sleeper (the actual Sleeper person) inside their head. Literally two personalities, one of them completely alien and psychotically insane/pissed.
I don't know if you 'can' play a First Gen DUST soldier, like if it's okay with PF or not... but I know Foley would have to be a lot less harmless than he is now.
eh - i was 80% sure the idea wouldn't work, was worth trying
BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD!
Why not have Sleeper whispering obscenities in his head and distract him every damn time? He could suffer like Jarum Samyl did. If he is shouting at that bugger in his head in the middle of a firefight, everyone will know he is not right in the head.
as much as it would be interesting i believe its to late to sudden show signs of schizophrenia........but if i did i would make the sleeper a actual friend rather a than annoyance or influential person
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The failed prototypes suffered a lot more than just memory loss. They actually have a Sleeper (the actual Sleeper person) inside their head. Literally two personalities, one of them completely alien and psychotically insane/pissed.
I don't know if you 'can' play a First Gen DUST soldier, like if it's okay with PF or not... but I know Foley would have to be a lot less harmless than he is now.
eh - i was 80% sure the idea wouldn't work, was worth trying
BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD!
Why not have Sleeper whispering obscenities in his head and distract him every damn time? He could suffer like Jarum Samyl did. If he is shouting at that bugger in his head in the middle of a firefight, everyone will know he is not right in the head.
as much as it would be interesting i believe its to late to sudden show signs of schizophrenia........but if i did i would make the sleeper a actual friend rather a than annoyance or influential person
And before you did that, I'd recommend digging into sleeper lore before The Community would ass ravage you like a ladyboy in Bangkok.
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Why not have Sleeper whispering obscenities in his head and distract him every damn time? He could suffer like Jarum Samyl did. If he is shouting at that bugger in his head in the middle of a firefight, everyone will know he is not right in the head.
Like this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AipPj6wx8pQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AipPj6wx8pQ)
((real talk now))
Instead of failed, Foley could have a genetic incompatibility issue with some of his implants and augmentations that may have damaged the cerebrum. This in turn could have blocked specific synapses from forming links and enabling recall of supposedly 'lost' memories. If Scherezad see's this post, she can elaborate on the possibility of this scenario's use and its accuracy should she be so inclined.
But just in case she confirms my idea as scientifically valid, I submit the following statement as a preemptive celebratory action...
[spoiler]Science, mother fuckers.[/spoiler]
Edit: LOLbangkok
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I'd advise not being a First Gen clone soldier. Those that didn't hate you on principle would want to cut you open to see how you ticked.
Also, what Vincent said about the community and Bangkok.
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Alright, enough with the talk of pitchforks and torches and Bangkok surprises.
Foley has been pretty active since Dust got connected to TQ, and he's always asked questions when he doesn't know or understand something, and on top of that he does acknowledge responses given whether they affirm or contradict what he expects to be the answer. Be nice.
That out of the way: I personally agree with the notion that a first-gen soldier is probably a poor starting point for the reasons given by others here. If you spend some time reading up on the origins and history of the clone soldiers (not just via the wiki and Templar One, but also through all of the Dust 514 and EVE chronicles that touch on it) you should be able to find a lot of information to work with.
You don't have to do away with the 'failed prototype' concept, though. I'm sure that the second-gen soldiers with the non-sleeper-origin implants also have their own run of issues that may or may not have left lingering effects on the soldiers even as they moved into clones with 'fixed' implants.
Anslo raises a good point, too - if you can catch Schere sometime you should talk to her; she not only likes neuroscience stuff in EVE and does a lot of stuff with it with her own character, but she also likes helping other people work related things into their own stuff. :)
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Alright, enough with the talk of pitchforks and torches and Bangkok surprises.
Foley has been pretty active since Dust got connected to TQ, and he's always asked questions when he doesn't know or understand something, and on top of that he does acknowledge responses given whether they affirm or contradict what he expects to be the answer. Be nice.
(http://t.qkme.me/3rgwoh.jpg)
You misunderstand us. We ARE being nice. We are giving him advice to avoid the many pitfalls in and with the community, and if you maintain any sort of illusion that The Community would not rip him a new one for going with his proposed idea I would love to buy the same shit you are smoking.
Active RP dusters are a good thing and we want them to multiply, Foley is doing a good job of spearheading that initiative. What's more admirable is that he is asking questions when he is unsure of things instead of doing what some people have done in the past, such as capsuleers with arms that turn into machineguns and then throwing hissyfits when those around them throw a cosmic facepalm.
I believe in Foley Jones.
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Foley Jones 2013
A Soldier We Can Believe In
Cooking Up Good Policies Since 2013
Plow Your Guns Into Spatulas...Then Back Into Guns
Pick one, roll with it Jonesy.
((....LOLBANGKOK))
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Alright, enough with the talk of pitchforks and torches and Bangkok surprises.
Foley has been pretty active since Dust got connected to TQ, and he's always asked questions when he doesn't know or understand something, and on top of that he does acknowledge responses given whether they affirm or contradict what he expects to be the answer. Be nice.
(http://t.qkme.me/3rgwoh.jpg)
You misunderstand us. We ARE being nice. We are giving him advice to avoid the many pitfalls in and with the community, and if you maintain any sort of illusion that The Community would not rip him a new one for going with his proposed idea I would love to buy the same shit you are smoking.
Active RP dusters are a good thing and we want them to multiply, Foley is doing a good job of spearheading that initiative. What's more admirable is that he is asking questions when he is unsure of things instead of doing what some people have done in the past, such as capsuleers with arms that turn into machineguns and then throwing hissyfits when those around them throw a cosmic facepalm.
I believe in Foley Jones.
i know how RP communities are very......VERY strict about PF and logical backstories
i RPed in plenty of communities so i know the drill
i miss SOTDRP on warcraft 3..........
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Alright, enough with the talk of pitchforks and torches and Bangkok surprises.
Foley has been pretty active since Dust got connected to TQ, and he's always asked questions when he doesn't know or understand something, and on top of that he does acknowledge responses given whether they affirm or contradict what he expects to be the answer. Be nice.
That out of the way: I personally agree with the notion that a first-gen soldier is probably a poor starting point for the reasons given by others here. If you spend some time reading up on the origins and history of the clone soldiers (not just via the wiki and Templar One, but also through all of the Dust 514 and EVE chronicles that touch on it) you should be able to find a lot of information to work with.
You don't have to do away with the 'failed prototype' concept, though. I'm sure that the second-gen soldiers with the non-sleeper-origin implants also have their own run of issues that may or may not have left lingering effects on the soldiers even as they moved into clones with 'fixed' implants.
Anslo raises a good point, too - if you can catch Schere sometime you should talk to her; she not only likes neuroscience stuff in EVE and does a lot of stuff with it with her own character, but she also likes helping other people work related things into their own stuff. :)
Best idea I have heard. Incompatibility would explain the amnesia and neurosis, and it also gives Foley a very good reason to sue that guy who has been sloppy about turning him into a clone merc.
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Alright, enough with the talk of pitchforks and torches and Bangkok surprises.
Foley has been pretty active since Dust got connected to TQ, and he's always asked questions when he doesn't know or understand something, and on top of that he does acknowledge responses given whether they affirm or contradict what he expects to be the answer. Be nice.
That out of the way: I personally agree with the notion that a first-gen soldier is probably a poor starting point for the reasons given by others here. If you spend some time reading up on the origins and history of the clone soldiers (not just via the wiki and Templar One, but also through all of the Dust 514 and EVE chronicles that touch on it) you should be able to find a lot of information to work with.
You don't have to do away with the 'failed prototype' concept, though. I'm sure that the second-gen soldiers with the non-sleeper-origin implants also have their own run of issues that may or may not have left lingering effects on the soldiers even as they moved into clones with 'fixed' implants.
Anslo raises a good point, too - if you can catch Schere sometime you should talk to her; she not only likes neuroscience stuff in EVE and does a lot of stuff with it with her own character, but she also likes helping other people work related things into their own stuff. :)
Hey, you totally misunderstand my aims here. Anything that gets Foley off the more bombastic stuff he does in the Summit (seriously, if we had a ban on commiting suicide in the Summit, he'd have been permabanned by now) and onto roleplaying something I can / want to interact with is a good thing in my book.
What I don't want is him to go the route of the sparkling space-vampire lovechild of Heth and Jamyl. I feel that first generation clone trooper with a howling alien thing in his mind would BE that sort of a background. Hence I try and prod him away from doing it.
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I think the both of you also misunderstood my point there.
He originally asked ingame. I sent him here partly because here that sort of thing (pitchforks, torches, all that shit) shouldn't even need to come up. It wasn't necessary for either you or Vince to say anything about getting fucked sideways by "The Community" - especially to Foley of all people.
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I think the both of you also misunderstood my point there.
He originally asked ingame. I sent him here partly because here that sort of thing (pitchforks, torches, all that shit) shouldn't even need to come up. It wasn't necessary for either you or Vince to say anything about getting fucked sideways by "The Community" - especially to Foley of all people.
Like I said before, the kid tries, he really does. Compared to others his age, he's a freaking paragon. He's civil, polite, and isn't spamming bullshit everywhere. I, personally, love some of his antics. Sometimes it's a weeeee bit too violent. But, the cooking, the shrapnel, the drinking of cocoa through an emergency induction port, the scarf, had me in fucking stitches. It reminded me of a live action Romantically Apocalyptic. Love love love the less-violent antics. And anything potentially off PF, he ALWAYS asks. That kid, to me, is like the little brother I never had (that I got along with anyway).
But back on topic, the implant incompatibility issue is a great way to go. Jonesy, Schere is focusing more on RL and school atm so, if you want help with this, I would be happy to. Just send me eve mails and i'll work with ya.
FOLEY JONES BANGKOK13-waitwat....
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I think the both of you also misunderstood my point there.
He originally asked ingame. I sent him here partly because here that sort of thing (pitchforks, torches, all that shit) shouldn't even need to come up. It wasn't necessary for either you or Vince to say anything about getting fucked sideways by "The Community" - especially to Foley of all people.
but if i get fucked sideways then a get a free necklace right?
Real talk:
Morwen i appreciate the standing up for me yet you must know
should had i asked thisin the DUST 514 fourms? i wouldn't get fucked sideways - i would be brutality raped - have my family murdered - have my organs ripped out & sold on the black market - and thrown in a ditch.......those 2 i can tell were actually trying to help, i could tell
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I believe in Foley Jones.
I believe in Foley Jones.
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I believe in Foley Jones.
I believe in Foley Jones.
I believe in Foley Jones.
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I believe in Truth, Justice and the FN-FAL Self Loading Rifle.
And I'm not too sure about Truth or Justice.
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Instead of failed, Foley could have a genetic incompatibility issue with some of his implants and augmentations that may have damaged the cerebrum. This in turn could have blocked specific synapses from forming links and enabling recall of supposedly 'lost' memories. If Scherezad see's this post, she can elaborate on the possibility of this scenario's use and its accuracy should she be so inclined.
Or to go with Occam's razor (and I think this is probably what you were suggesting), the implants/augmentations could have just burnt/damaged those connections. Think of a stroke, effecting the memory centres of the brain.
The only (slightly) tricky thing here is how to RP ongoing side effects of this (if any). But from a creative side? Imagine a personality unable to (fully) convert short term memory into long term memory - goldfish syndrome/anterograde amnesia, similar to or a variation on what's seen in the film Momento. What about an inability to store/express certain aspects of a memory - the auditory component for example, so they can remember what they saw/felt but don't have the soundtrack to play along with it? This one would probably need to be explained with a certain amount of pseudo-neuroscience handwaivium but we're talking about sci fi where people shove uncomfortable artificial constructs in their heads.
And besides, so much is still unknown about how the brain functions there's always wiggle room for a well-thought out and unique explanation for why character X does Y in this context.
The biggest disadvantage of trying to RP a gen-1 clone soldier is what Vince pointed out - sorry Morgen, but it does have an element of truth to it that most of us have seen play out in the past.
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*sigh* :bash:
People are not listening to a word I say. Never anywhere did I say it wasn't true, or an inaccurate statement to make.
What I said, was that saying it here was unnecessary because it's something everyone, Foley included, already knows, and I had directed Foley to post to ask here specifically so we wouldn't have to waste time with those comments.
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*sigh* :bash:
People are not listening to a word I say. Never anywhere did I say it wasn't true, or an inaccurate statement to make.
:cube:
Apologies for appearing to not be listening. In truth, the sentence that prompted your reply was poorly constructed and not meant to convey the meaning you've attached to it (although I can see how it did).
Now let's get back on topic, presuming there's anything left to say on it. :)
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*sigh* :bash:
People are not listening to a word I say. Never anywhere did I say it wasn't true, or an inaccurate statement to make.
:cube:
Apologies for appearing to not be listening. In truth, the sentence that prompted your reply was poorly constructed and not meant to convey the meaning you've attached to it (although I can see how it did).
Now let's get back on topic, presuming there's anything left to say on it. :)
lets have everyone call me a derp & catacomp this thread :l
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No don't catacomb it. It's not derpy for asking a question. You aren't god modding or doing anything derp worthy. You're taking the time and effort to become a fully informed, well loved RP'er with a great character. Never think your questions or ideas are something to be catacombed.
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If anything another mod may come by and snip the off-topic stuff. I would, but I posted, so :P
I think there's a solid idea in keeping him a second-gen soldier who is having compatibility issues with the implants - whether it's due to having prototype/older versions of the second-gen implants, or due to Foley's genetics or other biological stuff, would be up to you.
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Yeah, Foley, you dont know me, but this post is the exact opposite of derp. While doing a character by committee can be frought with problems, asking for PF insight is always a good thing.