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General Discussion => General Non-RP EVE Discussion => Topic started by: Katrina Oniseki on 11 Jun 2013, 23:34
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The purpose of this thread is to post your most unpleasant or upsetting moments in EVE. I mean the ones that really shake you, the ones that make you feel horrible... or if you're too laid back for any of that emotion, just the ones you rather regret.
I hit mine tonight. Easily.
Goonswarm was slamming our mining towers in Syndicate, taking the high value moons from us. We didn't really have any way to fend them off. That isn't what bothered me, nor was it that I lost a ship. It was actually a turn of good luck that spelled the horror of my evening.
We had Pandemic Legion ready to back us with a Tempest fleet, with fairly significant numbers. All we needed was a bubbler and a cyno to get the drop on the goon dreads. Someone x'd up for bubbles, I x'd up for cyno. I knew we had plenty of cynos and fuel in the stock hangar as always, so it was a simple matter of going to station and reshipping into a trash cyno. Meanwhile others were getting into interdictors. So I dock up.
Only... there were no cynos. Or fuel. I searched frantically for the cynos, checking my hangar, checking the corp hangars, checking the containers in the corp hangars, and the market. Oh there was one on the market.
1,750,000,000 ISK for a cyno.
I was so upset as I listened to John continue to call for the cyno to hurry up, asking where's his cyno, seconds ticking by, the fleet getting killed out there trying to hold the goons in place. I'm in fleet with PL, and I can see them asking eagerly for it, asking when can they jump... waiting. 70+ people all waiting on me. Expecting me to pull through. I moved to buy the cyno for that price just to make sure I didn't fail... but I was 100 million short on ISK.
The next cyno was 4 jumps out, so I grabbed a ship and filled it with fuel. As I undocked, I heard John talking about how the goons were escaping, how we lost. We failed.
I'd like to say I got kicked off the game by the server crash that happened within the next 5 minutes... but I didn't. I ragequit in tears, having felt horrible for being that one guy who fucked it all up. I had bad fights before, bad arguments, bad experiences. I'd had a lot of upsetting experiences, but I had never failed my friends on that magnitude before. I'd never actually been that bad at EVE. It was humiliating.
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But it seems dawn shines after the darkest nights, right? Turns out someone else decided it was a good idea to go get a cyno too, just in case. He pulled through within seconds of my departure, landing the PL fleet and obliterating several of the enemy caps (http://ishukone-raata.net/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=34527). It was a victory in the end... but somehow, it seems so bittersweet.
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Awww, Kat. There, there, you did good hun, you did good. :cube:
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I am sorry to hear that Kat; sounds really bad.
My night wasn't all that great either, but nothing quiet like that. Been dealing with constant connection issues, which are on going and a ship/cargo lose that shouldn't have happened.
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:cube: I love Kat.
The whole night was pretty fucking terrible for me.
I assumed you D/Ced, but hearing what happened, I now feel rather self-centered given with the pity-party I threw myself when we spoke after PL left.
Things to remember:
1. We were actually there.
2. We won.
3. We will learn from our mistakes and do better next time.
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You two should share your stories too!
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My worst EVE experience? Hmm...hard to say, had quite a few bad ones lol.
I guess some of the ones that top the list include:
- not monitoring my overheat and thus burning out my guns in my Mach while the enemy Maelstrom I was "1v1ing" had hit structure
- another, more recent example of the above is when I was "1v1ing" a Drake in a Brutix and burned my guns out when he just hit 0% shields
- getting yelled out by a crazy guy in my corp when I first started playing EVE that really hurt my feelings :(
Umm, yeah. Also, speaking about that fleet tonight, getting my Phobos in I0AB and not being able to help tackle the Goon cap fleet because stupid Yama and his buddies were camping the 6-U gate in S-U in Tech 3's. It's almost as if they knew I was reshipping...damn spais
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I think everyone knows my worst eve experience *grumble* :bash:
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I think it was when Goons kicked my old alliance out of our region and we couldn't do a damn thing cause people were too scared to swarm with caps we had in system to take them out before they killed the cyno jammer.
Aside from that? I...just don't care. I just rage, but long term, I don't care much :S...
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1. Failing at basic remedial math during Alliance Tournament by having too many points on field on live television... meaning we had to suddenly chop people from fleet before we could fight, ruining our composition about 2 minutes before the match, and getting ROFLstomped in about 30 seconds when the fight started in front of thousands of spectators. Not a happy way to end our tournament run which had been super fun until then.
2. Losing an entire null region and failcascading several alliances in about 4 days. So much fail from so many people. Not upset but was not fun at the time, great learning experience in sheep herding though. I was limited to running coalition fleets and was trying to stay out of the fail politics, but learned just how much I dislike coalition work and null sec ego shittery with a quickness.
3. Other than that it's been peaches :)
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Looking back with more objective eyes, I'd say I haven't really had any particularly bad experiences within EVE itself. Sure, I might get ragey about a ship-loss now and then, but they're just spaceships.
My worst experiences in EVE usually revolve around people, and interacting with people. The game itself is easy!
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Waking up some mornings and being told players I met and knew, "Hey, [person] died from cancer..."
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All my bad experiences in EVE involved people and dramabombs, so I think I'd better not name names in regards to things.
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My worst experience revolved around a formerly prominent Amarr RPer who I had a huge amount of respect for (and will not name).
I used to be combat director for Jericho Fraction. My main goal at the time was to ensure we had reasonable targets to fight. During one dry spell, I decided to check out what was a rapidly growing Blood Raider presence based in near nullsec. I fitted out a Crucifier with a MWD, passive targetter, and ship scanner and flew it down to the station the BRs were basing out of. It was a long flight, as we were based in Pure Blind while the BRs were based in the South - something like an hour to get there. My plan was to sit on the station and passive-scan all the BR ships, to see what sort of enemies we'd be facing. At the time, we had reasonably good relations with some of the Amarr RP groups, who were also planning on attacking the BRs, and so I'd discussed my plan with the guy who was trying to put this Amarrian coalition together, and he'd given it a thumbs up. This was a little bit touchy, as JF had gone to war with the Amarrian RP bloc before, and the differences in our respective views of RP war led to a lot of very real OOC anger. I was in favor of working with the Amarrians this time in order to smooth things over, because I was fond of many of their players.
Soon after I'd arrived at the station, a group of pilots from one of the Amarr coalition corps arrived. Figuring "We're all here for the same reason", I didn't give them much mind. We both sat off the station, waiting for BR fighters to undock, when suddenly one of the Amarrian battleships destroyed my stationary frigate. After getting my pod to a safe spot, I convod the Amarrians. Turns out they thought I was a spy, and thought for some reason that it would be best to use evemail to warn me that I had 60 seconds to leave or they'd shoot me. We exchanged heated words, then I left for the extremely long trip back home.
Once I was back in high sec, I convo'd the coalition organizer and told him what happened. He confided that the pilot who had shot me was a total asshole, that they only kept him because he was a decent fighter, and he promised he'd resolve this to my satisfaction. It evidently took quite a bit of work on his part to get this pilot to even admit that he was at fault, but he finally did, and then offered the standard "We'll replace your loss."
I was still pretty pissed about the incident, mostly about the waste of time on my part. I told him that the offer was insulting, that while the loss was only about 400k the inconvenience on my part was extreme. I said that I wanted the aggressing pilot to experience some punative inconvenience, therefore I insisted that I wanted a replacement ship with exactly the same fitting and name as my lost ship, and I wanted it personally delivered to our home base in Pure Blind by the pilot in question. An asshole move on my part, but like I said I was angry.
This, of course, went over poorly with the aggressing pilot, and turned into a big diplomatic incident that threatened to tear apart the coalition this guy was trying to build. Jericho Fraction, as a matter of policy, was ready to go to war with anyone over any ship loss. Meanwhile, some of the smaller corps in this coalition were threatening to pull out over the prospect of fighting the BRs and the Minmatars and JF, while other corps were starting to question the coalition organizer's ability to actually put together something that works. Additional heated words were exchanged before he cut connection.
I don't think his coalition lasted very long. I decided that the loss wasn't worth JF going to war with the Amarrians. Unfortunately, the coalition organizer and I never worked things out and a nicely budding friendship was lost.
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Not many great terribad experiences for me...
Maybe that time when I was still in my first year in Eve (near the end of it) and was still learning a lot about the game, pvp, FC-ing, alliances, sovereignty, nullsec, diplomacy, and most of all, the social aspect of the game, especially when it came to leading people, organizing things, dealing with human players, etc. With a friend we had a very small corp that we mostly dedicated to intelligence warfare, being part of Aegis Militia, and we just started to develop the new shiney little home constellation we were entrusted by CVA in Providence. AM was at the time a very poor pvp alliance with very few means at its disposal. Even our own novice corp of dedicated/devoted players (5 active max) was probably doing a good amount of money with our invention and trade. We also learned about the Istvaan heist, among other things like that. AM had a bloody cursed history with spies, thieves and sabotages. But it was just a story among many.
Someday we logged in to see that the whole alliance was in a mess and learned that most of the AMC POSes had been sabotaged, among other harmful things. In our own corp we were pretty safe since we all worked in full autonomy, alone. We learned that a player had left the AMC corp as soon as he got access to the POS director roles and other accesses as well. So the whole sov on our constellation was pretty much on the verge of collapse since only our corp in our single system still had functional POSes anchored. AM lost a lot this day, but not in terms of money. What were a few POSes and other materials ? All T2 BPOs and the likes were already gone since the first heists. And as I said the alliance was poor. Not even sure what the spy attempted to do, since we were not at war either. I think it may just have been a way for him to "prove" himself.
The real damage was done to the morale of the group. AM had always been an awesome group of nice people helping selflessly each other. Probably the alliance with the nicest people I have been in (Soratah, Kra Ra, Bastables, the people in OPIM, RaataTech, etc, except Graelyn because he was not here :evil: ). They just never completely recovered from the series of heist they had to face. It is understandable, when you work so hard to get all these T2 BPOs and else, and that disappears into smoke in a matter of minutes. So, this betrayal was just another hit on the morale and cohesion. It was only too obvious when a few weeks after the AM executors came to hand it over to us, since they were so washed up that they were unwilling to do anything anymore.
I was not even directly the victim of this since it was not about my corp, but nevertheless I felt bad for the alliance. It is also the thing that made me utterly despise corp heists and thefts. It's the game, and would I have had to deal with that while being older, I would certainly not have taken it so badly. Though what I think of that is mostly disgust. It is not the act in itself, but more the fact that you know the guy for a certain amount of time, spend time with him, the guy is nice and fun to talk to, you share good moments and have a project together, and suddenly you eventually understand that all of this was just a lie, a face among other faces, a fake. I wouldn't like it to happen IRL, and I didn't like it either in a game. Like somehow a game excuses all of this.
(It was not done ICly, between characters. It was done between players)
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Soon after I'd arrived at the station, a group of pilots from one of the Amarr coalition corps arrived. Figuring "We're all here for the same reason", I didn't give them much mind. We both sat off the station, waiting for BR fighters to undock, when suddenly one of the Amarrian battleships destroyed my stationary frigate. After getting my pod to a safe spot, I convod the Amarrians. Turns out they thought I was a spy, and thought for some reason that it would be best to use evemail to warn me that I had 60 seconds to leave or they'd shoot me. We exchanged heated words, then I left for the extremely long trip back home.
Was this warning ooc or ic? If it was all IC why were you angry just curious?
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I have reportedly been the cause of several players' "Most Horrible Experience". These have all been related to corp theft/internal sabotage. Sometimes the only way to get roles and hangar access has been to cause my predecessor to leave on his own.
Worst for me was when I lost an entire haul (freshly liberated from a WH pos) to a lowsec camp because I am a derp who scouted one gate, and warped to a different one. I laughed about it, but the laughter was not that genuine. I still mentally facepalm thinking about it.
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I once logged in and my skill queue was empty.
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The entire thing was OOC. Despite being a RP, most everything in JF was all OOC at the time.
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When I was with PYGAL, I had gotten a decent amount of corporate rights. Not director, but pretty close. During our time in Anoikis, I knew we had to transport some minerals to our HQ in K-space. When a high-sec wormhole appeared, I loaded up an Iteron V with all my fittings (I used one set of fittings for each ship type for both K-space and Anoikis) and as many minerals I could, and set course to our HQ.
All went well until I reached a gate and didn't immediately jump for some reason, probably distracted. The next 5 seconds went like this:
:|Mmm, why does that guy have a yellow square around him?
:s...Where did my ship go?...wait...is that my capsule?! :o Is that wreck my itty?!
:eek: Faaaaak...
I knew a little about suicide ganking, but this was my first first-hand experience with that fenomenon. I then realized I made the mistake of loading my hauler without considering the value of the cargo I transported.
I then had to explain to my CEO that I had just lost what he told me was going to be most of the corp members bonus for that month, around a billion ISK (quite a lot for us at the time). Of course he was upset and asked me what I was thinking, but he softened up after I mentioned that I also felt bad about losing my crew.
But I also felt bad about losing the minerals and the bonus of my colleagues. So bad that I didn't dare ask my CEO to reimburse some of my fittings so I could be useful again until a week or 2 had passed.
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Someone called me a homophobe because I used the word "they".
That was after I had generously given them a second chance to not be a terrible person, so vOv.
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I once logged in and my skill queue was empty.
My condolences...
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I have reportedly been the cause of several players' "Most Horrible Experience". These have all been related to corp theft/internal sabotage. Sometimes the only way to get roles and hangar access has been to cause my predecessor to leave on his own.
Worst for me was when I lost an entire haul (freshly liberated from a WH pos) to a lowsec camp because I am a derp who scouted one gate, and warped to a different one. I laughed about it, but the laughter was not that genuine. I still mentally facepalm thinking about it.
Your worst was losing stuff you had recently stolen from someone else due to derpiness.
Let me get my tiny violin...
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I have reportedly been the cause of several players' "Most Horrible Experience". These have all been related to corp theft/internal sabotage. Sometimes the only way to get roles and hangar access has been to cause my predecessor to leave on his own.
Worst for me was when I lost an entire haul (freshly liberated from a WH pos) to a lowsec camp because I am a derp who scouted one gate, and warped to a different one. I laughed about it, but the laughter was not that genuine. I still mentally facepalm thinking about it.
Your worst was losing stuff you had recently stolen from someone else due to derpiness.
Let me get my tiny violin...
Man, you don't know what it was like, man...You weren't there, you can't understand...*sob*
It was such a clean smash-and-grab (my biggest haul up till then). I had gloated a little(a lot) in corp chat. My smugness was at an all time high. And then I was brought so, so low by a dumb mistake and a well-organized gatecamp.
Also, because I was piloting an Orca through lowsec filled with goodies. That has never happened again.
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Wow, Kat. You know, it's so easy to say "its just a gaem lol" but then you have to understand the level of <fucking epic> that can take place. While that battle wasn't the key to a major war effort, it was still obviously a huge moment... Glad your peeps got their shit off on some Goonies. In your shoes, I'd've been mortified.
Makes my "I lost a Vagabond to a 'Cane 2 years younger out of sheer laziness... Had to force myself to post the mail" experience seem somehow much less bad.
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Trying to think of something that didn't involve Red-text devs convoing me ingame...
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lol-Aurora ?
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I haven't really had a seriously bad experience in Eve. Closest would be losing a new (and highly expensive) navythron to a stupid engagement on station - made worse by stupidly opening fire again when a friendly Chimmy undocked... yeah, because shield reps were really going to help me survive with a buffer armour tank fitting ¬¬
Mind you, missing out on a 1 bil+ drop from an autopilot hauler in lowsec because I was too scared of gate guns to check the wreck was a kick in the nuts.
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Yup, Aurora Lyn. And I saw that one blow right before me and it was like "wtf is happening", I was so clueless and the consequences so massive :SS
In any case, my worst comes in two steps, I'll start with the second one as it's the most important one. It didn't actually take place while I was in EVE, I had left already for a year or two, but I still checked in from time to time to see how the Ordo was doing. I even kept the Ordo's birthday in my agenda (still do!) and did a small thing for it on those days even if no one knew. I didn't check on it often, true, maybe once or twice a year. And then one day, all posts in the forums were months old. Checked as much as I could in game and all important pilots had changed corporation. And there, before me, I knew that three years of my life had come to an end. It wasn't meant to be so, and yet it was, all gone to time. I guess it's how life goes, but it doesn't make it any easier to think that no one is askin Questions around anymore, specially now that I'm back in the game and see no questionmakers interrogate me... and those still around, are now doing other things, like Aldrith, Lucius or Hitome.
The first part of the story lead to that, and lasted for about three months up to me leaving the game. It's terrible to know you have a duty to hold, to see you are holding back the full development of the Ordo for not doing it, and yet not have the will or time to do it. See everyone needing this or that: materials, recruitment, rites for advancement, whatever... and yet, not being able to do so without feeling terribly detached from it all.
And, of course, the point between them. My second worst day in EVE: to say farewell to everyone in OQ. Explain them Seph is leaving (ICly), writing the story on how he lost his implants and gets sends to a monastery forever to watch the stars and never reach them, and wish everyone the best knowing you won't be there to see their triumphs and failures.
Shit, writing this has saddened me. Time to see some film or something. :S
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Being kicked out of a corp for being too young.
I was livid, my 13 year old self behaved better than 80% of that corp ._.
However, apparently, conversations about riding crops are not meant for young ears. They sent me a very apologetic letter as well :oops:
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My worst experience in Eve was losing my first CNR to the Lofty scam 3 months into Eve (this was before they put warnings on joining fleets, and waaaaay before they removed the ability altogether.
I felt really bad not so much over the loss, but more over the stupidity of it - I'd been caught by a ganker simply because I hadn't been paranoid enough. I was soon back in a CNR, though, and much more paranoid. :P
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My worst experience in Eve was losing my first CNR to the Lofty scam 3 months into Eve (this was before they put warnings on joining fleets, and waaaaay before they removed the ability altogether.
I felt really bad not so much over the loss, but more over the stupidity of it - I'd been caught by a ganker simply because I hadn't been paranoid enough. I was soon back in a CNR, though, and much more paranoid. :P
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=4981967
For your first 3 months that isn't a bad fit! :D
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My worst experience in Eve was losing my first CNR to the Lofty scam 3 months into Eve (this was before they put warnings on joining fleets, and waaaaay before they removed the ability altogether.
I felt really bad not so much over the loss, but more over the stupidity of it - I'd been caught by a ganker simply because I hadn't been paranoid enough. I was soon back in a CNR, though, and much more paranoid. :P
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=4981967
For your first 3 months that isn't a bad fit! :D
Heh, I feel ashamed of it. In my defense, the omni-tank seemed to be working at the time. I was pretty crushed at the time, because it represented my entire savings in EvE up to that point. On the other hand, they weren't nearly as expensive then as they are now.
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The most 'horrible' experience so far have to be losing a myrm in an ambush that I could have voided, and once into, could have fought my way out of, but failed to do either in. The ship lost was irrelevant, but the fact that the event went down as it did still annoys my to this day.
http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=3701.msg59541#msg59541
It's the second half of the post that describes the event in question.
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Oh god... Vikarion's reminds me of something far worse than my Navythron temporary insanity.
A loooong time ago, when I was still just starting out, I managed to get my very first Pilgrim, and was very pleased with it. Simultaneously, a corpmate had loaned my mission alt a Raven, which I couldn't afford at the time, but I figured that getting into lvl 4s would help spike my income decently.
So I undock in both, planning to just buzz around with the Pilgrim, not necessarily kill anything but have fun exploring with the fancy cloak. I then forget about it, because I'm cloaked up, right? I'm also suddenly finding that the mission I'm in is fairly brutal, and since I was using an unstable XLB fit, that required a lot of attention and micromanagement.
Briefly check on the Pilgrim... find that I warped to 0 on a stargate and have a Myrmidon redboxing me. Jump through, cloak, GTFO, breathe sigh of relief, alt-tab... I'm the proud owner of a Raven-shaped cloud of debris.
Owning up to my corpie that I'd lost the ship before I got a single ISK out of it was not pleasant.
Still. Could've been worse. I could've lost both.
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I eRPed once.
So.
Damn.
Long.
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One time, back when I was in lonestar, I volunteered as a bright young newbie to go pick up some BPC's for my CEO. I flew them in an untanked sigil.
This was before you could tell the difference between BPC's and BPO's without having your hands on them.
My sigil got ganked coming out of Jita.
100 million ISK worth of BPC's gone in a flash.
And then they made fun of me for them being BPC's!
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I eRPed once.
So.
Damn.
Long.
That's what she said!
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I eRPed once.
So.
Damn.
Long.
That's what she said!
I saw this cumming
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I eRPed once.
So.
Damn.
Long.
That's what she said!
I saw this cumming
It was all across her face after all.
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~sigh~
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Most horrible experience I go through in EvE is almost every night when I feel like poop for yelling at people.
Other then that I can lose every ship, structure, asset I have and still plug along because I haz friends. <3 (Rebuilding is easy)
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Most horrible experience I go through in EvE is almost every night when I feel like poop for yelling at people.
Man, that's the sort of thing I play Eve to get away from.
P.S. I still like my job, though.
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I am now hearing John yelling "Armor hacs! AR-MOR HACS!"
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Most of my material related experiences in eve, be they corp theft or betrayal for profit, have not really affected me massively due to a paranoid practice of compartmentalizing collective and personal wealth so very little can actually be stolen. The big change in this occurred in 2009, when I was Executor of New Eden Retail Federation - a scrub renter alliance clinging on in Fountain renting from Talos/BoB and locals (alternating depending on who claimed to be the current landowner).
System management went pretty well, our membership grew and trade was pretty well stimulated as our logistics team only ran weekly ops, so providing local goods was essential to our 'meeting rent' and making profit. Issues started when people couldn't make their rent contributions. Seeing this as temporary, I and some friends foot the bill on the understanding we'd get a portion of our money back (we knew they wouldn't pay us back in full AND make more rent). The caveat is that we would need to be more involved in what they were doing, or they would have to let us know they cannot make rent in advance, rather than trying to hide it.
This led to a massive furball of a situation, essentially leading to a wannabe illuminati starting up among those corporations unable to meet their tiny obligations to the whole, while the three core corporations managed to keep them in null AND profit. Despite no sanctions, continued 'loans' to pay their share and no threat of recouping the money, the political and social landscape got pretty toxic as people started to blame each other for various things beyond our control (Panda Team had started harassing the region with Titan bridge attacks, so people less experienced in evading such drops felt insecure). Unwilling to be 'lectured' (as they put it) on how to make money, advice on avoiding cynodrops fell on deaf ears, and ships started to die in droves. The little respect we had from our landlords was only maintained by fighting hard and providing capitals for Talos' wars, as our losses got mentioned frequently as a reason for Panda's continued interest in the region.
In the end, every corp and alliance meeting turning into a giant blame game didn't suit me one bit. I transferred command to the main military corporation, ensuring people would think twice about hitting each other on the way out and withdrew my corporation from the region, then the alliance, offering free jump freighter services to any who needed them. Good stack of profit, lots of lessons learned, but thoroughly put off of high level internal politics as a result, simply because the lack of candid admission early in the 'debt crisis' some corps were in, resulted in an inquisitorial culture springing up just to find out how much the 'big three' were having to put up for the rest of the alliance. Fortunately no friends lost, as the walls were raised pretty early on, and so I never really got to know the individuals largely responsible for rabble rousing.
Off the back of this my interest in piracy, wormholing and general trading grew, so it was formative, but at the time a constant source of stress, knowing I was going to be chairing a volatile and generally unpleasant meeting of shamed, blame-gaming and unfulfilled spaceship men and women on a weekly basis.
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The first corporation I joined had a policy of only recruiting people known to another member in real life. The notion was that this would minimise the risks of a betrayal.
As you might imagine this did not work. Someone cleaned out the hangars in one of our sub-offices. The friend who recruited me was a director, was annoyed by the theft, but was even more annoyed when others in the organisation used the event to undermine her authority, and get her removed as a director. To add insult to injury they then started using a lot of the ideas she had been coming up with. She played on for a long time afterwards, but decided never to accept a corporate management role again. She gets exposed to enough shitty office politics in the real world.
I'm annoyed that we never caught and properly punished the thief.
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My worst experience was OOC drama over me being an idiot and making some really bad comments that I shouldn't have. Not going to provide details though.
Therefore, I'll describe a second, more fun incident instead.
So, it was my second week in PIE or so. I was still doing just mining at the time. That night, Thgil ran a PIE fleet, with Aldrith and some other people. I had absolutely no combat skills but really wanted to participate because I was very tired of mining and wanted to hang out with people. So I ignored the fact that Samira was a coward, fit up a salvager coercer, and went out. I figured I'd be safe. Afterall, up to this point I had thought I was pretty hot shit at EVE since I had gotten quite a few comments about how I was uncannily good at understanding the game despite being new. I was packing a cloak, so what could touch me?
I join up with them. They're all in frigates, I'm in a dessie. So, of course, they go into a novice and I can't follow. They wanted to have a small (or might have been a medium) scouted, though, and so I volunteered because I wasn't able to do anything else. They suggested I wait at the station since I was a newbie, but in my arrogance I didn't listen. So I flew over to the plex, scouted it and saw no one there on directional scanner (my first time using it, too), and went in to start taking it.
Then I saw someone on scanner. Had no idea if he was friend or foe, didn't know the scanner didn't tell you, so I was slow to cloak up. People were telling me to jump out over TS. Dude jumped onto the grid, was an enemy WT. I cloaked up, but he either saw me or was just conveniently moving in my direction, because I saw he was closing distance. I probably would have been safe, but I was panicking due to my lack of experience and worried he'd bounce me out of cloak, and people were still telling me to jump out. So I picked the first celestial I could see and jumped there. Jumped at 0, that is, because I had just mashed the button. Of course, not paying attention, the first celestial I found happened to be the ihub, and the system was currently vulnerable (I think).
So, I jumped into the middle of a WT fleet. Froze up, didn't know what to do. Where was I, what had I just jumped into, it won't let me cloak cause I'd jumped on top of people, what do I do! Got tackled, blown up, and had my pod tackled and blown up.
Cloned, and just sat there, stunned. Samira as a character is a coward and hates cloning because she doesn't see the clone as being a continuation of the same person, and I'd gotten podded, on my first night in FW when I had just gone out to hang with people and have fun. Had no idea where I'd take the character and how I'd have her react from that, I hadn't expected to be podded so soon, I had expected to last on the original for several months at least because I was actively working to avoid getting podded. I had to step away from the computer and take a break for an hour or two to settle down.
It was nothing that major (aside from being a pretty embarrassing loss mail (http://zkillboard.com/detail/28456014/)), it was mostly a big issue for the RP consequences of it than anything else. It was a huge wakeup call though, and completely killed my ego and made me realize that I was in fact still a newb, and that no amount of book learning could makeup for my lack of actual experience.
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The first corporation I joined had a policy of only recruiting people known to another member in real life. The notion was that this would minimise the risks of a betrayal.
As you might imagine this did not work. Someone cleaned out the hangars in one of our sub-offices. The friend who recruited me was a director, was annoyed by the theft, but was even more annoyed when others in the organisation used the event to undermine her authority, and get her removed as a director. To add insult to injury they then started using a lot of the ideas she had been coming up with. She played on for a long time afterwards, but decided never to accept a corporate management role again. She gets exposed to enough shitty office politics in the real world.
I'm annoyed that we never caught and properly punished the thief.
Ah yeah, interesting case though. I think - but might be wrong - that this could be due to one of the geek social fallacies, which is to believe that because A is friend to B, and C is friend to B, then C has to be friend to A (then replace friendship by trust, it works too). That is the flaw of that kind of policies me thinks.
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The first corporation I joined had a policy of only recruiting people known to another member in real life. The notion was that this would minimise the risks of a betrayal.
As you might imagine this did not work. Someone cleaned out the hangars in one of our sub-offices. The friend who recruited me was a director, was annoyed by the theft, but was even more annoyed when others in the organisation used the event to undermine her authority, and get her removed as a director. To add insult to injury they then started using a lot of the ideas she had been coming up with. She played on for a long time afterwards, but decided never to accept a corporate management role again. She gets exposed to enough shitty office politics in the real world.
I'm annoyed that we never caught and properly punished the thief.
Ah yeah, interesting case though. I think - but might be wrong - that this could be due to one of the geek social fallacies, which is to believe that because A is friend to B, and C is friend to B, then C has to be friend to A (then replace friendship by trust, it works too). That is the flaw of that kind of policies me thinks.
I agree. Recruiting folks you only know in the real world only helps if you all bond in some way outside the game as well. I suspect this has a lot to do with the success of Goonswarm.
But what really burned we was. A friend who was actually a decent EVE corporate officer got completely turned off that part of the game because one greedy little shit had to execute what was a fairly small theft. It depresses me when I see that part of the EVE community that actually gets off on annoying others OOC as well. That sort of person tends to make me genuinely annoyed & angry OOC. I tend to think of them collectively as a waste of good air.
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Ah yeah, interesting case though. I think - but might be wrong - that this could be due to one of the geek social fallacies, which is to believe that because A is friend to B, and C is friend to B, then C has to be friend to A (then replace friendship by trust, it works too). That is the flaw of that kind of policies me thinks.
I agree. Recruiting folks you only know in the real world only helps if you all bond in some way outside the game as well. I suspect this has a lot to do with the success of Goonswarm.
I think that Goonswarm is a good example how to put such a policy effectively into use. Mainly because they don't see trust/friendship as transitory: They simply make clear from the start that if A is getting into Goonswarm because he's the friend of B, that B will be severely punished if A fucks up. That leads to B generally being quite picky about whom to get into the Goons and also that A will have to deal with B being fucked up if he does shit into the Goon's nest. Policies are always about implementation. ^,^
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Being entirely ignorant of nullsec fleet comps or nullsec fleet combat and getting personally berated and made fun of by the FC on comms with 700 people listening in.
Yes I was that person who brought a Drake to a Tornado/Naga fleet (http://i.imgur.com/98weiv9.jpg).
This also though turned into a Crowning Moment of Awesome (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome?from=Main.CrowningMomentOfAwesome). I was told I was a dumb fucking noob who couldn't understand (the unclear, because my alliance was short bus special) instructions and I should just come in a slasher or something and be tackle.
So I did. Despite having literally zero projectile skills at all at that time, I did for some reason have like Min Frig 4 (I think I was planning on flying a Scimitar eventually?). So I fit tackle, prop, and minmatar racial jammers since our enemies tended to also field tornado fleets I heard. And this lead to me actually locking down several tornado's single handedly over the course of the fights. I was so impressed at how well I did with a cheap tackle with a racial jammer that it was all I brought to the battlecruiser fleets from then on.
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Most horrible thing in eve was losing a corp member that was part of Anyanka's storyline. You know who you are. I miss what they had.
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I see Funk is on a necro spree.
My worst moment was trying to come back to EVE and being unable to get my original account back.
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I don't want to name names or implicate anyone, so I'll be as general as I can be.
My worst experience occurred quite recently and is the reason I'm now playing this character and not a different one.
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This one time, I trusted some people.
Then, this other time, I trusted some more people.
... seriously, I think I may have some sort of braindamage.
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Insert one of several times I fell asleep at the keyboard and lost a deadspace fit Legion to narcolepsy.
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What, you actually suffer from that condition IRL, and you still let me play it ICly at times ? Now, that's embarrassing. :eek:
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I have surprisingly few terrible Eve moments. Maybe the time I mistook a 900m isk shield amp for a 200m isk shield amp when setting up sell contracts. That wasn't a great day.
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I've lost some ships. I always find it awful when it happens, but then it turns out to be a minor inconvenience. After all, I have plenty of ISK.
I've been mocked by the crowd. I always find it awful when it happens, but then it turns out to be a minor headache. After all, I have a block button.
I've been hurt by some friends. I always find it awful when it happens, but then it turns out to be a minor disturbance. After all, I can make new friends.
I've hurt some friends. I always think they deserve it when it happens, but then it turns out to be awful.
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I've hurt some friends. I always think they deserve it when it happens, but then it turns out to be awful.
This here. I've felt frustrated about many things (like stupid ship losses and client crashes at critical moments), but they pass, sometimes within minutes.
But there have been times that I've projected my own frustrations on some of my fellow players. Those moments don't fade easily or quickly, and they're my most horrible experiences.
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Confirming it's the worst.
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As far as gameplay goes, losing 3 T2 cruisers in the space of 24h was pretty bad. First was to a good 1v1, the second was to being over-eager to catch up to a gang I'd missed by 10 minutes, and the third was due to letting the FC warp me with the rest of the fleet.
Could've used that fleetwarp exemption thing back then. :psyccp:
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My most bitter experience is when I lost my very first Rifter to a Tengu flown by, what's his name? Turbular Knight or something?
I intend to pay him back for that loss some day.
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I've derpped more fleets than I can count, but that's not the worst stuff, that's just part of pvp you get used to :)
My worst experience with EVE was when I was CEO of Kudzu Collective and having my left and right hand pilots leave the corp and take some pilots with them all while I was away for the weekend without any internet access. Felt pretty stabbed in the back. Came back on Monday and found the corp basically in ashes. I took that pretty hard.
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I've derpped more fleets than I can count, but that's not the worst stuff, that's just part of pvp you get used to :)
My worst experience with EVE was when I was CEO of Kudzu Collective and having my left and right hand pilots leave the corp and take some pilots with them all while I was away for the weekend without any internet access. Felt pretty stabbed in the back. Came back on Monday and found the corp basically in ashes. I took that pretty hard.
Ouch, understandable. I'm going to remain rather bitter about a similar thing I suspect.
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my most disappointing experience would possibly be the outcome of a player created event, dating back a few years. It involved delivering items of importance to a place where they were needed. Medical supplies, that sort of thing.
Turns out, the receiving player(s) sold the items, to buy things, OOCly of course.
Dunno, just kind of feels a bit of a let down, or some kind of breach of trust or something.
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This is one of those, "Fucking CCP!" sorts of situations.
I-RED had been wardecced, which was pretty usual because we have plenty of folk poking around HS doing their thing. It was a one-man alt-corp, one-day-old alt. The week ticked by, and there was nothing-- the alt never logged on, never had an uptick in numbers in the alt-corp. About an hour before the war ends, I've got some hauling to do before an appointment. I still had the guy on watch list, checked the corp and saw only the one offline character in the corp, and decided, fuck it, there's no way this could turn south. He'd have to log in to accept applications, right?
I undock in a JF, warp along the pipe toward our staging station, and five jumps down: scram. WHAT? WHERE? HOW? Little did I know that the trick with this wardec was that the applications had already been accepted, so all they had to do was get ahead of me, dock, accept the app, and then warp to the gate. There's really no way to know who the potential hostile is, and no way to hunt them down.
That really, REALLY pissed me off-- because even if I'd noticed the very moment they accepted the invite to their wardec corp, I was already locked in the warp tunnel to the gate they caught me on. I managed to slowboat back to gate, but there was already a guy on the far side, who'd accepted the application after I'd been pointed.
I know, I know-- never fly anything shiny while under wardec. That's on me. But-- seriously, CCP? That's a good game mechanic?
I very nearly ragequit and unsubbed over that.
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This is one of those, "Fucking CCP!" sorts of situations.
I-RED had been wardecced, which was pretty usual because we have plenty of folk poking around HS doing their thing. It was a one-man alt-corp, one-day-old alt. The week ticked by, and there was nothing-- the alt never logged on, never had an uptick in numbers in the alt-corp. About an hour before the war ends, I've got some hauling to do before an appointment. I still had the guy on watch list, checked the corp and saw only the one offline character in the corp, and decided, fuck it, there's no way this could turn south. He'd have to log in to accept applications, right?
I undock in a JF, warp along the pipe toward our staging station, and five jumps down: scram. WHAT? WHERE? HOW? Little did I know that the trick with this wardec was that the applications had already been accepted, so all they had to do was get ahead of me, dock, accept the app, and then warp to the gate. There's really no way to know who the potential hostile is, and no way to hunt them down.
That really, REALLY pissed me off-- because even if I'd noticed the very moment they accepted the invite to their wardec corp, I was already locked in the warp tunnel to the gate they caught me on. I managed to slowboat back to gate, but there was already a guy on the far side, who'd accepted the application after I'd been pointed.
I know, I know-- never fly anything shiny while under wardec. That's on me. But-- seriously, CCP? That's a good game mechanic?
I very nearly ragequit and unsubbed over that.
Ouch. Not many game mechanic things make me rage, but that would do it.
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It's a pretty dumb mechanic, I agree, but the only way to prevent it is to not allow corporations to take on new members during a wardec, which is... well... just as dumb?
Unless maybe the restriction were limited to the aggressing corp/alliance only. Then it might be ok. Too many variables with wardecs. :\
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Make corp applications take ten minutes to process. Voila.
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Or restrict aggression for 24 hours after entering a new corporation. That right there would completely neuter that wardec mechanic.
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I know, I know-- never fly anything shiny while under wardec. That's on me. But-- seriously, CCP? That's a good game mechanic?
I very nearly ragequit and unsubbed over that.
I've had fun while flying my Providence unscouted 5 systems through low-sec, and then 8 systems high-sec while being in FW. Survived with 25% armor.
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This is one of those, "Fucking CCP!" sorts of situations.
I-RED had been wardecced, which was pretty usual because we have plenty of folk poking around HS doing their thing. It was a one-man alt-corp, one-day-old alt. The week ticked by, and there was nothing-- the alt never logged on, never had an uptick in numbers in the alt-corp. About an hour before the war ends, I've got some hauling to do before an appointment. I still had the guy on watch list, checked the corp and saw only the one offline character in the corp, and decided, fuck it, there's no way this could turn south. He'd have to log in to accept applications, right?
I undock in a JF, warp along the pipe toward our staging station, and five jumps down: scram. WHAT? WHERE? HOW? Little did I know that the trick with this wardec was that the applications had already been accepted, so all they had to do was get ahead of me, dock, accept the app, and then warp to the gate. There's really no way to know who the potential hostile is, and no way to hunt them down.
That really, REALLY pissed me off-- because even if I'd noticed the very moment they accepted the invite to their wardec corp, I was already locked in the warp tunnel to the gate they caught me on. I managed to slowboat back to gate, but there was already a guy on the far side, who'd accepted the application after I'd been pointed.
I know, I know-- never fly anything shiny while under wardec. That's on me. But-- seriously, CCP? That's a good game mechanic?
I very nearly ragequit and unsubbed over that.
i remember this. i logged in, saw it, and was like 'wtf Mak, you should know better than to fly stuff like this during war!' then felt like an ass after you told me what actually happened....
As for myself, I don't think I've really had any horrible experiences....i've had foot in mouth experiences though. few huge raging arguments with close friends. luckily we're still close friends though.
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Cloaky wormhole scout interdiction null legion, built to survive a few frigates and maybe a strong sneeze.
Chased by hostiles, jump through wormhole.
Kronos or vindicator pilot (forget which)
"Dude we can take them "
Ok fine, jump back through the wormhole, get pointed. Several points, webbed, etc.
"Dude, there's too many, I'm jumping back"
...
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I've had a couple bad experiences. Top of the list was probably getting burned out and leaving SYNE flapping in the wind for a couple months, before Ninavask took charge and pulled things back together.
Second-worse experience was my second-ever PvP fight. I had just undocked from the Mordu's Legion station out in 5ZXX-K - this was when I was flying with CAIN - with a couple guys, I saw a Chimera sitting outside the station ... and like an idiot I panicked and opened fire. On a carrier. With a Ferox. (This was back in the pre-Drake days when Feroxes stood in as battlecruiser missileboats.)
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I think I can replace my prior one. I logged into Thera post-patch and the game worked fine. Then it froze up my computer and I had to do a forced restart. This is a sampling of errors the repair tool found:
bin\EveLocalization.dll, missing 4 out of 4 blocks
bin\Extensions.dll, missing 2 out of 2 blocks
bin\_GameWorld.dll, missing 84 out of 84 blocks
bin\_PlanetResources.dll, missing 3 out of 3 blocks
bin\_audio2.dll, missing 20 out of 20 blocks
bin\_trinity_dx11_deploy.dll, missing 192 out of 192 blocks
bin\_trinity_dx9_deploy.dll, missing 190 out of 190 blocks
bin\_twitch.dll, missing 2 out of 2 blocks
bin\_vivox.dll, missing 2 out of 2 blocks
bin\blue.dll, missing 51 out of 51 blocks
bin\db.dll, missing 4 out of 4 blocks
bin\destiny.dll, missing 8 out of 8 blocks
bin\exefile.exe, missing 9 out of 9 blocks
bin\geo2.dll, missing 3 out of 3 blocks
bin\nvapi.pyd, missing 11 out of 11 blocks
bin\pyEvePathfinder.dll, missing 10 out of 10 blocks
bin\pyexpat.pyd, missing 3 out of 3 blocks
bin\python27.dll, missing 59 out of 59 blocks
bin\staticdata\mapObjects.db, missing 547 out of 547 blocks
bin\telemetry32.dll, missing 2 out of 2 blocks
bin\unicodedata.pyd, missing 11 out of 11 blocks
bulkdata\1800001.cache2, missing 7 out of 7 blocks
bulkdata\1800004.cache2, missing 1 out of 1 blocks
bulkdata\1800005.cache2, missing 1 out of 1 blocks
bulkdata\1800006.cache2, missing 1 out of 1 blocks
bulkdata\2000001.cache2, missing 1 out of 1 blocks
bulkdata\2001600003.cache2, missing 2 out of 2 blocks
bulkdata\2209999.cache2, missing 1 out of 1 blocks
bulkdata\2800006.cache2, missing 2 out of 2 blocks
bulkdata\3200002.cache2, missing 1 out of 1 blocks
bulkdata\3200012.cache2, missing 1 out of 1 blocks
bulkdata\600002.cache2, missing 1 out of 1 blocks
bulkdata\600004.cache2, missing 99 out of 99 blocks
bulkdata\600005.cache2, missing 6 out of 6 blocks
bulkdata\600007.cache2, missing 1 out of 1 blocks
bulkdata\800003.cache2, missing 44 out of 44 blocks
bulkdata\800004.cache2, missing 3 out of 3 blocks
bulkdata\800005.cache2, missing 4 out of 4 blocks
bulkdata\800006.cache2, missing 83 out of 83 blocks
bulkdata\800007.cache2, missing 6 out of 6 blocks
bulkdata\mapbulk.db, missing 5 out of 5 blocks
bulkdata\metadata.yaml, missing 1 out of 1 blocks
code.ccp, missing 215 out of 215 blocks
manifest.dat, missing 1 out of 1 blocks
So basically my game is f***ed. Thanks Thera! :bash:
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Yeah, I'm replacing my most horrible experience with trying to do hacking post Thera. Click node, lag, click node, lag, click node, lag.
Watching my whole game freeze up as I try and do simple activities in space is awful.
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For about a year eve horribly and overwhelmingly broke the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/180_degree_rule (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/180_degree_rule) while forcibly panning the camera around on star gate activation. Getting motion sick wasn't fun. Fortunately CCP finally fixed the speed and degree to which the camera pans. Personally i still think that the client grabbing control of the camera at every star gate is annoying, but at least it's no longer physically sickening to the point of forcing one to stop actively flying in space.
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Putting aside OOC drama which counts as my most horrible experience(s), I'd say engaging someone in a pvp fight, having them locked, and then being lagged(?) such that no commands process until all of a sudden I am deep in armor and finally shooting/tracking. So frustrating!
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Battleship Smartbomb gatecamp.
Frame. In Armour. Frame. Structure. Frame. Pod. Frame.
Wake up back in the Nonni system.
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My worst experience in EVE?
Ratting with a Drake...
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Continued collisions of theory versus practice.
Eve is an amazing game in principle. In practice, it's often clunky, unintuitive, stressful, AND boring. And it gets worse as the stakes go up.
Case in point: solo-hunting, for days, in nullsec with a bubble-proof hunter-killer Tengu. So damn hard to get a kill without getting killed, and every gate camp is a prime opportunity to screw up the timing and die.
Maybe if I were a little more social....
Also: (DUST specific)
Watching my dedicated role (stealth bastard) evaporate with the advent of cloaks and overpowered scanners that can normally only be evaded with cloaks.
Actual sneakiness, nerfed into non-viability.
Someone let me know if/when being a NON-cloaking scout becomes viable again.
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Someone let me know if/when being a NON-cloaking scout becomes viable again.
Do combat recons being undetectable on d-scan count?
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Do combat recons being undetectable on d-scan count?
I saw that, and it is making my shoulder blades itch where my devil wings used to be.
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Let's see...
- Logging in to find Istvaan had jacked my 2 day old Alliance.
- Logging in to find that CCP found that Mirial was cheating at events and banned her, along with our entire Alliance capfleet sitting in her hangar...
- As an ISD character, being told by a Band of Brothers director (in local with 200 watching) that he was gonna call up his buddies at CCP and have me 'dealt with' because I was 'looking at him'.
- Watching in Dev/ISD chat as CCP literally do so within 20 minutes, all the while telling me that I was fine, 'see you tomorrow'.
- Having CCP refuse to answer any contact after that period, disavowing anything I ever did for CCP, and never actually explaining any of it to anyone, even after the CSM was created in response.
Great, just typing that has got me all fucky in the stomach again.
One of my great annoyances is that Graelyn died the very first time to a bug. No, not lag or anything. A real one, back when the game wasn't quite as polished. I docked one night on what was then the pipe from Amarr to Pator (12 jumps through Yulai!). I docked, read a mail or two, then logged.
When I logged in again, I still had a ship. I wasn't in a pod or anything. Still had my one implant in. But I had the death notification mail, along with a very confused Ushra'Khan member wondering why I decided to sit motionless outside a station in hostile territory and let his little frigate blow up my Apoc and pod me over a 10min period. :|
Since the lore at the time specified that new pilots were still human until first death, I tried to pretend that the real Graelyn was killed somehow, but no one can figure out the details, with Clone Graelyn still trying to figure out how his real self perished...
The enemy pilot in question, by the way, graciously refused to acknowledge the kill ever happened.
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Graelyn: The One True BittervetTM
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Oh I don't know, I have had to deal with Mirial too :lol:
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About two years ago I was having financial trouble. To make matters worse, I did the math, and realized my eve wallet had significantly more real value (assuming I could somehow convert PLEX to cash) than my bank account.
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The Catalyst breakaway - was the thread title on JF Forums IIRC. Catalyst was to be the name of the new corporation, but I guess (do not know) for apparent reasons they weren't allowed to keep it so it became Stimulus. The core of the split was the small corp in Star Fraction with mostly just vets in it, Tabula Rasa Systems. My corp. :(
Just a couple of us in TRS didn't split - I can recall right away only Antinea staying besides my characters. There were more people I loved leaving from JF of course as well.
Anyone who used to be in JF / SF back in the day for a longer period, will know that it's is a history of pretty much annual splits so no big deal. With very few exceptions they were always total 10/10 opera level drama bombs. What made this split different from all that came before and after it - apart from the fact that I watched my mates, my most loved friends in game walk away - was how it turned out later. There was a lot of things in the background that I will not go into in here or anywhere; I have to give credit to some people in JF to have kept all the really ugly stuff tight under the lid through all the venom and hate on IGS and other places. What happened was it got really really ugly fast and kept getting worse for a long time. Hadn't we as SF just died off of collective burn out on all levels I think it still might be ugly. I can't stress out enough how much hate there was between the groups. Being in JF/TRS and in SF for all those years I am not exactly unfamiliar with hate, but this was something else.
Anyway, it was all very confusing and very painful and I still regret how it all turned out. I was literally torn between two groups of friends and watching them just turn into loathing each other. I tried to stay away at first but in the end I was right there making a fool of myself on IGS, vent or TS3 or whatever it was that we used those days and all other places.
I haven't played for years JF is long dead and I can't even remember the timeline right - all I know it still stings to think about it. At the same time after all these years and everything that took place later, I still can't help but remember the people fondly and with a smile thinking about things we did together on vent and in game fricking 10 years ago. Before the split. Man, losing that overnight was so tough for me.
There are gruesome details like a death of a real person that I was friends with. She wasn't online much due to some circumstances, but we were often online at the same time on vent although for different reasons and we talked. And then afterwards when it was over I got completely flamed when trying to (clumsily) offer my condolences to her husband who used to be a friend as well, because all this shit had driven us apart.
That shit - the worst experience for me in Eve. I think even the end of JF itself is not that painful because it just kinda drifted away slowly when core people finally burned out for good or had other circumstances taking them away from the game.
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Having Cloaky Campers sit in your system for a month straight to disrupt industry while being completely safe from repercussion.
Never felt frustration like that in my life. Total Impotence.
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Having Cloaky Campers sit in your system for a month straight to disrupt industry while being completely safe from repercussion.
Never felt frustration like that in my life. Total Impotence.
Reminds me, need to resurrect the Way of the Vagabond at some point. Easily the least effort towards the greatest salt mining operations I've known. I don't think I ever actually had to kill anything back then. I just occasionally appeared on d-scan and the systems shut down.
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Lazerquazerknocks making every c6 hole 13 bumped into literally a dead ground. Online sticks everywhere with farmers, protected by glorious russian blob and friends, able to just log off and leaving us impotent at evicting them to make way for real pvpers.
The wormhole super highway got super stale super quick, and I won't be going back there any time soon.
Other then that the occasional bug of jump hole, leads to wrong system that you already mapped before, jump back again and once more you're somewhere random.
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I guess changing mains 3 times because... I didn't like the names. <_< That's my most "horrible" experience. I feel like I've spent too much of my EVE time waiting for AWU V and Logistics V.
Small-time compared to what I read here, but for like 4-5 years I was just an occasional player, a scaredycat mission runner who read about scams and tricks to avoid them, and thus never fell into anyone's net. Stayed mostly on my own, or with a few RL friends, never really got into any drama.