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General Discussion => Moderation Discussion => Topic started by: Lyn Farel on 15 Apr 2013, 11:03
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http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=4564.0 (http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=4564.0)
Now that's an interesting case of moderation. This post is everything but a YDIW post.
- Unless I missed something Adreena never stated anywhere that she was going to play that kind of ex slave minmatar, which technically invalidates the YDIW option. You can not YDIW on something someone does if that someone actually does not do it.
- The post isn't either telling someone YDIW. It states clearly that the poster is quite fed up with that kind of RP history/BG, it also clearly offers other choices for the poster to go for something else.
I am not saying that post breaks no rule. What I am saying is it is certainly not YDIW.
Also, maybe speculation on my behalf here, but if you are going to blanket mod posters with a recurrent trend to get catacombed, maybe better to decide of other sanctions, rather than moderating everything in some kind of frenzy.
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The YDIW in this case wouldn't simply be regarding Adreena - the implication is that people who have or might choose to play an abused ex-slave shouldn't - which is to say they are doing it wrong.
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The implication that was taken away from that post when we saw the report was that "that kind" of ex-slave is doing it wrong.
You are free to disagree.
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Beaten soundly by Morwen and Silver.
They've already explained the reasoning so I'll make no further statement.
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Ok, I see your point, even if it's quite... looking for it imo. Thanks for the answer.
You are free to disagree.
Why adding that bit ? It's just the polite form of
"This is why we did this and stfu if you disagree"
It's annoying (and not very respectful), especially since I don't even disagree.
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Ok, I see your point, even if it's quite... looking for it imo. Thanks for the answer.
You are free to disagree.
Why adding that bit ? It's just the polite form of
"This is why we did this and stfu if you disagree"
It's annoying (and not very respectful), especially since I don't even disagree.
I would imagine it was added to let you know you are allowed to disagree.
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Ok, I see your point, even if it's quite... looking for it imo. Thanks for the answer.
You are free to disagree.
Why adding that bit ? It's just the polite form of
"This is why we did this and stfu if you disagree"
It's annoying (and not very respectful), especially since I don't even disagree.
http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=4564.0 (http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=4564.0)
Now that's an interesting case of moderation. This post is everything but a YDIW post.
- Unless I missed something Adreena never stated anywhere that she was going to play that kind of ex slave minmatar, which technically invalidates the YDIW option. You can not YDIW on something someone does if that someone actually does not do it.
- The post isn't either telling someone YDIW. It states clearly that the poster is quite fed up with that kind of RP history/BG, it also clearly offers other choices for the poster to go for something else.
I am not saying that post breaks no rule. What I am saying is it is certainly not YDIW.
Also, maybe speculation on my behalf here, but if you are going to blanket mod posters with a recurrent trend to get catacombed, maybe better to decide of other sanctions, rather than moderating everything in some kind of frenzy.
Emphasis mine.
Which is it, Lyn? You very clearly disagree with our decision to moderate the post for being YDIW in the OP, and now you're saying you don't, when the OP pretty much said "I disagree with this"?
Make up your mind, please.
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Ok, I see your point, even if it's quite... looking for it imo. Thanks for the answer.
You are free to disagree.
Why adding that bit ? It's just the polite form of
"This is why we did this and stfu if you disagree"
It's annoying (and not very respectful), especially since I don't even disagree.
Actually, that's a line we often add to posts here to make it clear that disagreeing with moderation is permitted. Which your OP very clearly did. If you feel it is out of line, make a report, but I can tell you right now that it is not. If you don't feel it is out of line, kindly stop creating conflict where there doesn't need to be any under the guise of concern.
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Ok, I see your point, even if it's quite... looking for it imo. Thanks for the answer.
You are free to disagree.
Why adding that bit ? It's just the polite form of
"This is why we did this and stfu if you disagree"
It's annoying (and not very respectful), especially since I don't even disagree.
http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=4564.0 (http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=4564.0)
Now that's an interesting case of moderation. This post is everything but a YDIW post.
- Unless I missed something Adreena never stated anywhere that she was going to play that kind of ex slave minmatar, which technically invalidates the YDIW option. You can not YDIW on something someone does if that someone actually does not do it.
- The post isn't either telling someone YDIW. It states clearly that the poster is quite fed up with that kind of RP history/BG, it also clearly offers other choices for the poster to go for something else.
I am not saying that post breaks no rule. What I am saying is it is certainly not YDIW.
Also, maybe speculation on my behalf here, but if you are going to blanket mod posters with a recurrent trend to get catacombed, maybe better to decide of other sanctions, rather than moderating everything in some kind of frenzy.
Emphasis mine.
Which is it, Lyn? You very clearly disagree with our decision to moderate the post for being YDIW in the OP, and now you're saying you don't, when the OP pretty much said "I disagree with this"?
Make up your mind, please.
No, I don't. I thought the YDIW was related to Adreena, not other imaginary people "in general". The thought of it is so stretched that you will excuse me if I didn't thought of that in the first place.
Thus why my second post telling that I see Silver's point.
I'm annoyed to see you constantly trying to put words in my mouth, though. My apologies if I did the exact same thing with the "you are free to disagree", but that is damn ambiguous.
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As far as I can tell the moderated post was a response to my suggestion that, in order to explain the character's ignorance about Minmatar culture, Adreena have an ex-slave or diaspora origin. No idea why that provoked such a fine display of frothing. I don't recall saying anything about being an abused ex-slave.
Of course there's the whole debate about "does slavery constitute abuse in an of itself?" But that's been done quite a bit elsewhere.
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I don't really see it as a YDIW post either, but considering I thought my own was fine earlier, maybe I don't have the eye for it. I will however put my observations here.
The first sentence does hint towards some aversion/satiation towards particular character types, but that in itself is not YDIW, imo.
In addition, it is followed by "Imo, it would be easier...", 'imo' indicating it's his opinion, and the word 'easier' is used, not 'better' or 'right'.
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I think this is one of those posts that could have been delicately worded to be more mod friendly at great expense of effort by the original poster. I have to say that I think it's a valid point though. I've played an amarrian and I've played a minmatar. I see Laerise's original post as no worse than any claim or even discussion of any mary sueism in RP. Laerise could have encouraged the OP to speak with others in order to avoid overused tropes, but instead went for a more direct and honest route.
I don't think it attacked anyone in particular. If we stretch anyone's statements to whatever we assume they meant to state, ultimately all claims will become YDIW.
(edit: and yes I am siding with Laerise. I guess that means somebody has done it wrong at this point.)
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Gentlemen.
By now we all should have reached a point in life where we have realized that we are, in essence, not infallible and make mistakes, often without intending them.
So, if there was a post that got moderated for its harsh tone (or YDIW) why not indulge yourself to repost a reworked version in the post where you could make it clear what your original intend was. You can disagree with the moderation but the action has, after all, already happened.
In my own very simple world this is massively easier than discussions about every single post.
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[edit: removed joke for being too easy]
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http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=4578.msg72318#new
Because, Morwen, I do not intend to hire a dozen legal advisors and political correctness advisors when I make a post on a forum about internet spaceships. :|
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I'd like to point out that I think the majority of posters here can do this without a team of lawyers.
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I'd like to point out that I think the majority of posters here can do this without a team of lawyers.
Funny that you mention it, the "majority of posters" does not get moderated quite as draconically as I did in regards to this post.
It's astounding that both Lyn and Karmilla seem to agree with me on this point - and as you might have noticed, we usually don't agree on anything. :)
Edit: Furthermore, my joking referrence to Shakor acting like a pimp was also catacombed - while another poster's "funny sig" about a super hero whose specialty is (and I quote) "ass raping" children is perfectly fine for the mods. :|
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Please do not put words in my mouth too quickly, I created this post mostly because I couldn't see the YDIW in it. I am still unconvinced since it sounds a little stretched to me but it goes both ways, I am not convinced either the moderation was wrong here.
Especially concerning the employed tone.
The last one with the facepalm picture that got moderated is certainly not something I agree with.
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Please do not put words in my mouth too quickly, I created this post mostly because I couldn't see the YDIW in it. I am still unconvinced since it sounds a little stretched to me but it goes both ways, I am not convinced either the moderation was wrong here.
Especially concerning the employed tone.
The last one with the facepalm picture that got moderated is certainly not something I agree with.
Oh that one, yeah, that was, admittedly, somewhat over the top :lol:
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Edit: Furthermore, my joking referrence to Shakor acting like a pimp was also catacombed - while another poster's "funny sig" about a super hero whose specialty is (and I quote) "ass raping" children is perfectly fine for the mods. :|
Well there is a reason I keep it under a spoiler tag.... :roll:
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Edit: Furthermore, my joking referrence to Shakor acting like a pimp was also catacombed - while another poster's "funny sig" about a super hero whose specialty is (and I quote) "ass raping" children is perfectly fine for the mods. :|
Well there is a reason I keep it under a spoiler tag.... :roll:
Well, if putting things behind spoiler tags means you get to do whatever you like then I should just spoiler tag all my posts from now on? :roll:
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Funny that you mention it, the "majority of posters" does not get moderated quite as draconically as I did in regards to this post.
It's astounding that both Lyn and Karmilla seem to agree with me on this point - and as you might have noticed, we usually don't agree on anything. :)
I agree on the message of your post tbh, but the wording is what got you modded, and not the content about overused or ham-fisted use of tropes.
Besides you were not talking about that single post but about all your posts that will 'require a team of lawyers and PC advisors'.
Lastly, if one gets modded regularily one could begin to suspect that at some point one should learn what will fly here and what not and adjust the postings to fit these standards.
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Funny that you mention it, the "majority of posters" does not get moderated quite as draconically as I did in regards to this post.
It's astounding that both Lyn and Karmilla seem to agree with me on this point - and as you might have noticed, we usually don't agree on anything. :)
I agree on the message of your post tbh, but the wording is what got you modded, and not the content about overused or ham-fisted use of tropes.
Besides you were not talking about that single post but about all your posts that will 'require a team of lawyers and PC advisors'.
Lastly, if one gets modded regularily one could begin to suspect that at some point one should learn what will fly here and what not and adjust the postings to fit these standards.
Unless you haven't noticed it yet, these "standards" do not apply to everyone on these boards, so... :psyccp:
Edit: I guess I wouldn't care so much if the forums goal was different. Right now though it's just a slightly politer chatsubo where the moderators and their clique can ride scott free.
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:psyccp:
CCP?
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:psyccp:
CCP?
Well using the "picard" image would just get me moderated again, no? :D
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:psyccp:
CCP?
Well using the "picard" image would just get me moderated again, no? :D
Maybe try Commander Riker instead? Not quite as powerful, but still rather nice.
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:psyccp:
CCP?
Well using the "picard" image would just get me moderated again, no? :D
Maybe try Commander Riker instead? Not quite as powerful, but still rather nice.
There's a commander Riker facepalm gif? :o
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Well using the "picard" image would just get me moderated again, no? :D
Maybe try Commander Riker instead? Not quite as powerful, but still rather nice.
There's a commander Riker facepalm gif? :o
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v617/tune_in_drop_out/Geekdom/Star%20Trek/RikerFacepalm.jpg)
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Well using the "picard" image would just get me moderated again, no? :D
Maybe try Commander Riker instead? Not quite as powerful, but still rather nice.
There's a commander Riker facepalm gif? :o
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v617/tune_in_drop_out/Geekdom/Star%20Trek/RikerFacepalm.jpg)
Aah, I'll add that to my favorites then.