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EVE-Online RP Discussion and Resources => EVE OOC Summit => Topic started by: Saede Riordan on 07 Mar 2013, 09:59
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Okay, so we've had a fairly respectful discussion of "space-lesbians" and I actually think that give that we may be able to have a conversation about something that, while rather closely linked, is probably deserving of its own thread.
That topic is ERP, or cybering, or erotic roleplay, or whatever you might call it. The act of roleplaying your character having sex. ERP is something a lot of people have seemingly strong opinions of. Its often mocked by those who disagree with it, and treated silly, but is there anything wrong with it in and of itself? If both players want to do it, is it okay? Please keep the conversation respectful, I understand this is something people have strong opinions about. Lets avoid doingitrong.
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I have had Lasa engage in ERP. Personally, I don't see an issue with it. It's not something that she does all the time (contrary to popular belief, it seems :roll: )
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Not something I have any interest in doing and I'm just as uninterested in hearing about it from other players. I suppose what happens between, uh, two consenting players is their business, but as it was evidenced in the 'space lesbian' thread I think a problem (or eyeball rolling at the least) arises when a character's sole defining feature is their sexual nature.
Succinctly speaking I'd rather focus on my actual sex life.
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Haha, Safai....my regular sex life is awesome, lmao! :lol:
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Oh, I wasn't asserting anyone who engages in erotic roleplay thusly has a bad sex life. I was speaking personally.
To elaborate a little: if one has a hole in their life, I feel that EVE is a poor place to fill it (heh, insert penetration pun) because it is merely gratification through simulacrum. This applies not only to the topic at hand but how we treat the game and our lives in general.
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Never tried it, but don't see anything wrong with it. The key I'd say can be taken from films: sometimes movies just feature a sex scene because "it has to have sex to catter to the audience"; this sex scenes usually can be taken away and nothing would change in the film. Other films have sexual scenes that are actually important to the plot, or to the character development, or that have to do with showing some facets of the character that can't be seen otherwise, etc.; those scenes can't be taken out of a film without changing it deeply.
So, while some people may engage in casual ERP that adds nothing (got nothing against it, like a good sex scene it's always a nice sight! :D), I believe ERP gains much more relevance and importance in the second case sex scenes.
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As long as it stays where it belongs - private, then I have zero problem with. I take issue with people broadsiding me with their sex life in real life and I take issue with it in the game.
As long as it's treated reasonably, I have zero problem with it.
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As long as it stays where it belongs - private, then I have zero problem with. I take issue with people broadsiding me with their sex life in real life and I take issue with it in the game.
As long as it's treated reasonably, I have zero problem with it.
/me broadsides Khross with 8 sexy railguns with T2 secks tiem charges
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Sexuality being an important part of anyone's life, whatever way one deals with it and her/his personnal impulses... Well, sexuality is a valid way to define a character. Given that, why not roleplaying it ?
The same way a sex scene in a movie can be either a valid part of the plot, revealing who the characters are, or just cheap, wink-wink nudge-nudge soft porn, ERP can probably be seen as a tool to shape characters and their relationship.
And seriously, even if it's just a tool for the players to masturbate vigorously behind their screen, I don't give a fuck. Their keyboards, not mine.
As far as I'm concerned ERP becomes a problem
1) when it's done publicly
2) when it's not consensual
So, basically, when you don't care about other's sensibilities.
And I don't ERP.
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Sexuality being an important part of anyone's life, whatever way one deals with it and her/his personnal impulses... Well, sexuality is a valid way to define a character. Given that, why not roleplaying it ?
The same way a sex scene in a movie can be either a valid part of the plot, revealing who the characters are, or just cheap, wink-wink nudge-nudge soft porn, ERP can probably be seen as a tool to shape characters and their relationship.
And seriously, even if it's just a tool for the players to masturbate vigorously behind their screen, I don't give a fuck. Their keyboards, not mine.
As far as I'm concerned ERP becomes a problem
1) when it's done publicly
2) when it's not consensual
So, basically, when you don't care about other's sensibilities.
This.
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It's a big cluster, and there's plenty of private channels to cater to everyone's needs or desires.
I'll agree with an earlier point that this becomes annoying when we see characters where this is their chief focus in life or their only reason for being in an RP channel.
Like many tropes, the 'new on the scene hyper-sexual capsuleer looking for a good time and will hump anything that moves' character can be annoying.
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Sexuality being an important part of anyone's life, whatever way one deals with it and her/his personnal impulses... Well, sexuality is a valid way to define a character. Given that, why not roleplaying it ?
The same way a sex scene in a movie can be either a valid part of the plot, revealing who the characters are, or just cheap, wink-wink nudge-nudge soft porn, ERP can probably be seen as a tool to shape characters and their relationship.
And seriously, even if it's just a tool for the players to masturbate vigorously behind their screen, I don't give a fuck. Their keyboards, not mine.
As far as I'm concerned ERP becomes a problem
1) when it's done publicly
2) when it's not consensual
So, basically, when you don't care about other's sensibilities.
And I don't ERP.
Yeah, that pretty much. Except that I have ERPd. Though I would say that while sexuality is a way to define a character it does become a problem when the player uses that character to just have ERP and nothing else. Maybe not for us but possibly for them since they could be using it to replace RL relationships which I think we could all agree is not the most healthy of things.
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Oh, I wasn't asserting anyone who engages in erotic roleplay thusly has a bad sex life. I was speaking personally.
To elaborate a little: if one has a hole in their life, I feel that EVE is a poor place to fill it (heh, insert penetration pun) because it is merely gratification through simulacrum. This applies not only to the topic at hand but how we treat the game and our lives in general.
Somehow missed that post, but Saf said it better than I did.
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Sexuality being an important part of anyone's life, whatever way one deals with it and her/his personnal impulses... Well, sexuality is a valid way to define a character. Given that, why not roleplaying it ?
The same way a sex scene in a movie can be either a valid part of the plot, revealing who the characters are, or just cheap, wink-wink nudge-nudge soft porn, ERP can probably be seen as a tool to shape characters and their relationship.
And seriously, even if it's just a tool for the players to masturbate vigorously behind their screen, I don't give a fuck. Their keyboards, not mine.
As far as I'm concerned ERP becomes a problem
1) when it's done publicly
2) when it's not consensual
So, basically, when you don't care about other's sensibilities.
And I don't ERP.
Yeah, that pretty much. Except that I have ERPd. Though I would say that while sexuality is a way to define a character it does become a problem when the player uses that character to just have ERP and nothing else. Maybe not for us but possibly for them since they could be using it to replace RL relationships which I think we could all agree is not the most healthy of things.
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Oh, I wasn't asserting anyone who engages in erotic roleplay thusly has a bad sex life. I was speaking personally.
To elaborate a little: if one has a hole in their life, I feel that EVE is a poor place to fill it (heh, insert penetration pun) because it is merely gratification through simulacrum. This applies not only to the topic at hand but how we treat the game and our lives in general.
Somehow missed that post, but Saf said it better than I did.
This is pretty much all my thoughts on it as well.
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I dunno about anyone else, but I'd find it rather awkward with my character being involved in a relationship with another character without exploring their sexuality using fade-to-black techniques. A character's sexual experiences are opportunities for character development, and missing out on that would be a waste to me. I think, like all behavior acted out in RP by players (slavers, antagonists, psychopaths), there are plenty who do it well and make it an enjoyable experience, and just as many who can make it terrible.
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Sexuality being an important part of anyone's life, whatever way one deals with it and her/his personnal impulses... Well, sexuality is a valid way to define a character. Given that, why not roleplaying it ?
The same way a sex scene in a movie can be either a valid part of the plot, revealing who the characters are, or just cheap, wink-wink nudge-nudge soft porn, ERP can probably be seen as a tool to shape characters and their relationship.
And seriously, even if it's just a tool for the players to masturbate vigorously behind their screen, I don't give a fuck. Their keyboards, not mine.
As far as I'm concerned ERP becomes a problem
1) when it's done publicly
2) when it's not consensual
So, basically, when you don't care about other's sensibilities.
This.
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Okay, so we've had a fairly respectful discussion of "space-lesbians" and I actually think that give that we may be able to have a conversation about something that, while rather closely linked, is probably deserving of its own thread.
That topic is ERP, or cybering, or erotic roleplay, or whatever you might call it. The act of roleplaying your character having sex. ERP is something a lot of people have seemingly strong opinions of. Its often mocked by those who disagree with it, and treated silly, but is there anything wrong with it in and of itself? If both players want to do it, is it okay? Please keep the conversation respectful, I understand this is something people have strong opinions about. Lets avoid doingitrong.
Fundamentally, if all involved parties wish to participate, I think there is nothing consensually wrong. Sexuality is something we all indulge in to some extent or another, this is merely a form of fantasy sharing.
I think a core issue is location, location, location. The most volatile responses I've seen to ERP tend to be to the ones that occur in public areas. Any ERP actions cause an immediate reaction usually aimed at trying to expel it. This has a valid basis in that such activities shouldn't be public due to possible (under aged) users behind characters. Social factors are the next basis, but sexual perception varies widely - any reason is as good as the next here.
Otherwise, the ones I see opposing ERP typically do so because they don't think sexual fantasy sharing is something to be done, or they're tired of seeing it in their spheres. These two points are the most common angles I see opponents swing between - often with some overlap.
I myself sit in the camp of 'tired of seeing it'. I've seen many public attempts at ERP and often used to intentionally sabotage a conversation in action. Thus, since I've never seen 'effective' ERP, I tend to mentally associate these ERPs with the act over all. This is incorrect of course, but as I have no wish to see effective ERP my perception remains unchangeable.
The act itself in its purpose I don't disagree with, but my root issues with it come from the mishandling many of its users tend to employ it for. Light ERP could add great atmosphere to the bar scenes in the game, but I have yet to seen it done tacitly.
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Maybe not for us but possibly for them since they could be using it to replace RL relationships which I think we could all agree is not the most healthy of things.
Personally, I don't see why simulated romance and sex can't be a perfectly valid substitute for the "real thing". Certainly not for everybody, but I certainly don't agree that deliberately pursuing the single lifestyle IRL (and getting whatever "kicks" you need through such means as ERP) is intrinsically and universally bad or unhealthy.
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What bothers me about ERP is when one of the two players allows the majority of RP interaction between to characters to devolve into little more than ERP. Once one of the players begins using the interaction between characters more as a sexual fulfillment venue, instead of wanting to explore the other varied and meaningful aspects of the relationship (whatever that may be), the RP has effectively died.
"If ERP isn't on the dinner table tonight, they aren't hungry for RP." That's a problem. I'm not against roleplaying a hot coffee scene, with full graphical detail and all the bells and whistles - but I want more than that. I want to see our characters do more than fuck together. I want to see them cry together, laugh together, and get bored together! I want them to explore strange new worlds, see out new fights and new generalizations, to boldly fly where no pod has flown before!
I want a fully featured and meaningful friendship or relationship with whoever it is I've ERP'd with. Oh I guess I spilled the beans. Yes I ERP, but as an additive to a whole RP storyline... not the core of it. If our characters have reason to be having sex, and my partner has the interest and time to spend on such a scene, sure... let's do it.
If people are against mutual smut writing, that is their prerogative. Some people think porn is bad, and some people think showing skin is bad. To each their own... but I've an open mind about sexuality and ERP as long as it adds value to the rest of the RP, and doesn't become the whole reason two characters (IC and OOC) are still interacting.
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What bothers me about ERP is when one of the two players allows the majority of RP interaction between to characters to devolve into little more than ERP. Once one of the players begins using the interaction between characters more as a sexual fulfillment venue, instead of wanting to explore the other varied and meaningful aspects of the relationship (whatever that may be), the RP has effectively died.
"If ERP isn't on the dinner table tonight, they aren't hungry for RP." That's a problem. I'm not against roleplaying a hot coffee scene, with full graphical detail and all the bells and whistles - but I want more than that. I want to see our characters do more than fuck together. I want to see them cry together, laugh together, and get bored together! I want them to explore strange new worlds, see out new fights and new generalizations, to boldly fly where no pod has flown before!
I want a fully featured and meaningful friendship or relationship with whoever it is I've ERP'd with. Oh I guess I spilled the beans. Yes I ERP, but as an additive to a whole RP storyline... not the core of it. If our characters have reason to be having sex, and my partner has the interest and time to spend on such a scene, sure... let's do it.
If people are against mutual smut writing, that is their prerogative. Some people think porn is bad, and some people think showing skin is bad. To each their own... but I've an open mind about sexuality and ERP as long as it adds value to the rest of the RP, and doesn't become the whole reason two characters (IC and OOC) are still interacting.
This is quite well said and I totally agree. ERP should add to the RP. It shouldn't be the RP.
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I've participated in a variety of ERP over the years, and a lot of what's being said matches up with my own opinions on it, from others who participate and even from those who don't.
There's a time and place for everything; public channels are generally not it. Now, you can still have a sexual character in public, but there's a difference between heavy flirtation and bang'n on the bartop. The first is OK, the second is not. Me personally, I am a full supporter of the fade-to-black rule when it comes to public venues. I.e; you can make it obvious what's going to happen, but the actual ERP should be done in a private conversation. If you follow up with it at all. This is where a lot of my experiences come in from, the fade-to-black style.
I'll also echo the sentiment that it should supplement the characters' story, not replace it. The occasional one night stand is all right (because smut is honestly just fun to write sometimes), but if that's all the character has, they're either incredibly shallow, or they aren't operating on the same social expectations of the physical act as everyone else (having a character of the latter is an interesting thing to poke around with, I have discovered). Most encounters should mean something, or at least be meaningful. Again, sometimes the implication thereof is just as powerful as the act, at least publicly.
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What bothers me about ERP is when one of the two players allows the majority of RP interaction between to characters to devolve into little more than ERP. Once one of the players begins using the interaction between characters more as a sexual fulfillment venue, instead of wanting to explore the other varied and meaningful aspects of the relationship (whatever that may be), the RP has effectively died.
"If ERP isn't on the dinner table tonight, they aren't hungry for RP." That's a problem. I'm not against roleplaying a hot coffee scene, with full graphical detail and all the bells and whistles - but I want more than that. I want to see our characters do more than fuck together. I want to see them cry together, laugh together, and get bored together! I want them to explore strange new worlds, see out new fights and new generalizations, to boldly fly where no pod has flown before!
I want a fully featured and meaningful friendship or relationship with whoever it is I've ERP'd with. Oh I guess I spilled the beans. Yes I ERP, but as an additive to a whole RP storyline... not the core of it. If our characters have reason to be having sex, and my partner has the interest and time to spend on such a scene, sure... let's do it.
If people are against mutual smut writing, that is their prerogative. Some people think porn is bad, and some people think showing skin is bad. To each their own... but I've an open mind about sexuality and ERP as long as it adds value to the rest of the RP, and doesn't become the whole reason two characters (IC and OOC) are still interacting.
Nailed it. (punintended)
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I agree with the general opinions on this topic, and with this:
Personally, I don't see why simulated romance and sex can't be a perfectly valid substitute for the "real thing". Certainly not for everybody, but I certainly don't agree that deliberately pursuing the single lifestyle IRL (and getting whatever "kicks" you need through such means as ERP) is intrinsically and universally bad or unhealthy.
It can also be used as a "safe" way to act out certain fantasies ones own RL partner might not be compatible with.
Even if its sole reason why characters interact, OOC or IC, it can be good.
IC because IRL, it happens as well.
OOC because sometimes you'll have no suitable characters (either because the players don't want it, or it would affect their RP/interaction in an undesired way) around in your regular circle to ERP with, but are not interested in/have the time for developing and maintaining another intensive relationship. It could be that a player is a :brilliant: ERP-er but not a good RP-er in general :wut:.
A sexual relationship can give birth to interesting plot lines or can also pump some new life in a RP relationship between characters that have interacted with eachother for a long time. Sometimes (if not most times) sex will have consequences: pregnancy, jealousy and new enemies, subtle or not so subtle changes in how characters interact (good or bad), unexpected alliances, an FC not responding to a CTA, waking up to find your vault cracked, being blackmailed, and falling in love (sometimes with a (sleeper) spy that seduces you). But of course you don't have to ERP to enjoy those benefits.
During my time in EVE, I've had only 2 ERP sessions so far, but it looks like that will change soon.
The first, about 8 months ago, was a kick-off point to a plot line that entertained quite some time, and I'm not even completely sure if I've heard the last of it (no, she's not pregnant).
The second took place early this week, and IC it had almost the same positive effect as OOC, namely to serve as a welcome break from a considerable period of drama-doomgloom-drama-sad-drama. Sometimes its the easiest way to give your character a break, and/or have an excuse to write something else than "/me bursts into tears", "I'll kill you!" or "I'm so happy!" for the umpteenth time that week.
(Multiple punsintended)
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Maybe not for us but possibly for them since they could be using it to replace RL relationships which I think we could all agree is not the most healthy of things.
Personally, I don't see why simulated romance and sex can't be a perfectly valid substitute for the "real thing". Certainly not for everybody, but I certainly don't agree that deliberately pursuing the single lifestyle IRL (and getting whatever "kicks" you need through such means as ERP) is intrinsically and universally bad or unhealthy.
I meant relationships period. As in all of them interpersonal and romantic.
That actually touched on a broader subject of using RP and/or ERP to replace RL which I believe is fairly unhealthy since I have been there, but I did overgeneralize a bit so sorry for that.
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My only real issue with ERP is that it can take so long to type it all out and finally get to the biscuit unlike the instant gratification I'm used to. :cry:
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Never ERPed.
Which is odd. My sex life sucks.
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Never ERPed.
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Oi Ava! I want you to stop being such a b*tch. Are you bloody coming out, or what? *spits*
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What bothers me about ERP is when one of the two players allows the majority of RP interaction between to characters to devolve into little more than ERP. Once one of the players begins using the interaction between characters more as a sexual fulfillment venue, instead of wanting to explore the other varied and meaningful aspects of the relationship (whatever that may be), the RP has effectively died.
"If ERP isn't on the dinner table tonight, they aren't hungry for RP." That's a problem. I'm not against roleplaying a hot coffee scene, with full graphical detail and all the bells and whistles - but I want more than that. I want to see our characters do more than fuck together. I want to see them cry together, laugh together, and get bored together! I want them to explore strange new worlds, see out new fights and new generalizations, to boldly fly where no pod has flown before!
This, so much. Over the years I've played plenty of characters who have entered into intimate relationships. Most of them are good, character-developing interactions. But one I had before was more or less what you describe. My character's partner basically demanding ERP in every RP interaction, getting mad at me both IC and OOC when I said I/my character wasn't in the mood, and yelling at me for my character interacting with other male characters.
So glad I managed to get out of that one. It had become extremely discomforting.
And I have to say, I'm so happy to see such mature opinions on the topic here. I'm used to these kind of threads in other MMOs being filled with nothing but comments like, "There's no character development in ERP! You're all sluts/whores/bad RPers, doing it only to get your rocks off no matter what you claim! You should just get a partner/watch porn instead!" The responses here are a very refreshing change from that.
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This, so much. Over the years I've played plenty of characters who have entered into intimate relationships. Most of them are good, character-developing interactions. But one I had before was more or less what you describe. My character's partner basically demanding ERP in every RP interaction, getting mad at me both IC and OOC when I said I/my character wasn't in the mood, and yelling at me for my character interacting with other male characters.
To be honest, that sounds like less of an ERP or Roleplaying problem, and more of a serious issue with your partner. It sounds like the person was becoming possessive of you, probably because they saw you the player as somebody they were in an OOC relationship with, and thus got angry when they saw you with others.
That's an OOC red flag right there, highlighting somebody with a serious emotional or mental instability.
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Yeah, I'm aware... it ended up killing all interest I had in playing that character. I used it as an example since in my personal experience, when someone starts focusing on the ERP over the rest of the RP it's probably a sign that they care too much about the OOC rather than the IC.
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I meant relationships period. As in all of them interpersonal and romantic.
That actually touched on a broader subject of using RP and/or ERP to replace RL which I believe is fairly unhealthy since I have been there, but I did overgeneralize a bit so sorry for that.
Ah, I see. Yeah, I agree with that.
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As with humour so it is with ERP - it's very subjective and context is everything.
Sex is part of the human condition. If we're trying to create little human beings then some thought has to be given to their sexuality - even if it's never explored beyond that point.
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I have to say, I love all the explanations and reasons for engaging in ERP.
I agree though about the public stuff. I don't like people that try to ERP in public. Sure, having two characters kiss is fine if they are a couple, but if it's going to turn sexual, that needs to be private.
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Not something I have any interest in doing and I'm just as uninterested in hearing about it from other players. I suppose what happens between, uh, two consenting players is their business, but as it was evidenced in the 'space lesbian' thread I think a problem (or eyeball rolling at the least) arises when a character's sole defining feature is their sexual nature.
Succinctly speaking I'd rather focus on my actual sex life.
This.
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If you do it, fine. If you don't want to do it, fine. Just don't do it in public or rag on others for doing it at all just because you may think it's silly.
Relationships build up in different ways, bottom line. If some ERP sessions ends with someone together with someone else ICly, that could lead to (like said earlier) jealousy, or fights, or a whole story arc appearing.
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What two people do in private is their own business.
I play Eve to do things I cant do in real life. Like shooting people. :yar:
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So, since we're on the subject, I had a question...
A lot of people have been saying that as long as things stay private it's fine... but has anyone ever had another character walk in on them by accident? Like things start to get hot and heavy in a semi-private channel... then someone else logs in, has their character make an entrance and OH HEY!
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So, since we're on the subject, I had a question...
A lot of people have been saying that as long as things stay private it's fine... but has anyone ever had another character walk in on them by accident? Like things start to get hot and heavy in a semi-private channel... then someone else logs in, has their character make an entrance and OH HEY!
Go on...
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Sidetrack, but that's the nail on the head on the big reason I'm still carrying a small candle for the walking-in-stations thing. It provides more locality. Because the locations a large part of roleplay takes place in are basically secure channels, there's no such thing as truly accidental meetings, or overheard conversations, or, yeah, that.
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So, since we're on the subject, I had a question...
A lot of people have been saying that as long as things stay private it's fine... but has anyone ever had another character walk in on them by accident? Like things start to get hot and heavy in a semi-private channel... then someone else logs in, has their character make an entrance and OH HEY!
I recall hearing about [REDACTED] and [REDACTED] getting it on completely in certain public but little-used channels in the Keep, but never had the (mis)fortune of walking in on them. Would have been immensely and hilariously awkward.
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So, since we're on the subject, I had a question...
A lot of people have been saying that as long as things stay private it's fine... but has anyone ever had another character walk in on them by accident? Like things start to get hot and heavy in a semi-private channel... then someone else logs in, has their character make an entrance and OH HEY!
Yup. Had it happen on SWG once. :D
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I think I remember a story about dibblebill getting walked in on in the M-M Gardens.
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I am rather open with my character's sexuality.
Sure she gets into somewhat random romantic encounters.
Sure it happens fairly regularly.
But I like for the story to fade to black during the actual "romantic encounter" because nothing is really gained from that part of the story, the fact that these two characters had sex is the important part.
I used to be part of a community where sex was the express intent of everyone involved. Sure I participated a couple of times, but somehow cyber sex even in the rp context is very icky to me.
As far as doing things in public channels, I think people should be allowed to as long as the channel is groovy with that happening, but really it should be left to private because it really can and does make a lot of people uncomfortable. I haven't seen much sexy time happening in the public channels here, so I don't think that's a big issue.
That's what I have to say about it.
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So, since we're on the subject, I had a question...
A lot of people have been saying that as long as things stay private it's fine... but has anyone ever had another character walk in on them by accident? Like things start to get hot and heavy in a semi-private channel... then someone else logs in, has their character make an entrance and OH HEY!
Happened to me in a different game too. The intruder just took and seat and encouraged us to keep going.
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Was once part of a small but (very!) friendly guild in WoW. Logging into guild chat one day I found out the hard way that a Healer and her Tank have an even closer relationship than you might think.
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So, since we're on the subject, I had a question...
A lot of people have been saying that as long as things stay private it's fine... but has anyone ever had another character walk in on them by accident? Like things start to get hot and heavy in a semi-private channel... then someone else logs in, has their character make an entrance and OH HEY!
I cant tell you how many times youve almost walked in on me and Mitara....
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DAMMIT GOTTII you clever bastard.
Remember that time Mitara almost walked in on you and I when we were playing warbrides?
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ERP in EVE can be creepy.
It goes against CCPs listed Terms of Service, and as such, anyone indulging in it opens themselves up to being reported. It may be a trap. Claim that someone was erping at you, in a harassment petition. That sort of thing.
"You may not use any abusive, defamatory, ethnically or racially offensive, harassing, harmful, hateful, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, threatening or vulgar language. "
"You may not use “role-playing” as an excuse to violate these rules."
It can be used as a method of harassing players, particularly ones that are slightly more vulnerable than others, e.g. younger players, women players.
explicit chatlogs, published in order to bully and harass someone, make them give up playing that character/playing EVE altogether.
Used in public, as a method of disrupting a channel - turning people away from using a channel.
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It can be used as a method of harassing players, particularly ones that are slightly more vulnerable than others, e.g. younger players, women players.
explicit chatlogs, published in order to bully and harass someone, make them give up playing that character/playing EVE altogether.
Used in public, as a method of disrupting a channel - turning people away from using a channel.
Key words here are, "can be." Just like many other things, it can be used to harass. That doesn't mean it's a common occurence. And this is speaking as someone who's been harrassed through it on another game (and gave up a character as a result), as I mentioned a few posts back. The vast majority of such encounters I've had before were consentual and nonharmful to either participant.
I am rather open with my character's sexuality.
Sure she gets into somewhat random romantic encounters.
Sure it happens fairly regularly.
But I like for the story to fade to black during the actual "romantic encounter" because nothing is really gained from that part of the story, the fact that these two characters had sex is the important part.
There can be character development from the actual intimate happenings. The manner in which it is conducted can be an illuminating moment that says a lot about the characters involved.
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There can be character development from the actual intimate happenings. The manner in which it is conducted can be an illuminating moment that says a lot about the characters involved.
Quite so, but i still find it kinda icky (still participate on occasion...)
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ERP in EVE is creepy.
That's an unfortunate viewpoint you have there. I admit I had expected something a bit less... provocative, from someone like you.
It goes against CCPs listed Terms of Service, and as such, anyone indulging in it opens themselves up to being reported. It may be a trap. Claim that someone was erping at you, in a harassment petition. That sort of thing.
"You may not use any abusive, defamatory, ethnically or racially offensive, harassing, harmful, hateful, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, threatening or vulgar language. "
"You may not use “role-playing” as an excuse to violate these rules."
As for the EULA trap, there are plenty of places and things people do in RP that could be reported. Hell, even in reality, sexual intercourse can be brought to the police with a false claim of rape, right?
If we cannot trust one another with consent because someone might stab us in the back - why should we bother interacting? Why bother trying to build a community?
In your own words: Down With That Sort Of Thing
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Also, erotic does not necessarily = explicit or vulgar.
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Key words here are, "can be." Just like many other things, it can be used to harass. That doesn't mean it's a common occurence.
People I know have had this sort of thing used against them/their corporation/chat channels. It is uncommon, but when it intrudes into your personal experience it becomes a lot harder to say "it's uncommon".
That's an unfortunate viewpoint you have there. I admit I had expected something a bit less... provocative, from someone like you.
If we cannot trust one another with consent because someone might stab us in the back - why should we bother interacting? Why bother trying to build a community?
In your own words: Down With That Sort Of Thing
Someone like me ?
After IC interactions with people, I have received OOC private mails or conversations, saying things such as: "you don't want to interact with them, if you do any erp with them, they're likely to put it up on their corp forums for people to laugh at". I have been informed on more than one occasion that character X is actually player Y's "cyber alt", and thus IC interactions with them are unlikely to further our corporation's goals.
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That's an unfortunate viewpoint you have there. I admit I had expected something a bit less... provocative, from someone like you.
If we cannot trust one another with consent because someone might stab us in the back - why should we bother interacting? Why bother trying to build a community?
In your own words: Down With That Sort Of Thing
Someone like me ?
After IC interactions with people, I have received OOC private mails or conversations, saying things such as: "you don't want to interact with them, if you do any erp with them, they're likely to put it up on their corp forums for people to laugh at". I have been informed on more than one occasion that character X is actually player Y's "cyber alt", and thus IC interactions with them are unlikely to further our corporation's goals.
The people sending you tells are the ones in the wrong, there, because they are trying to influence your in-character interactions with their out-of-character opinions. Who the player is OOCly doesn't matter, what matters is the IC interactions. People shouldn't try to OOCly dictate who other players can/should interact with ICly.
And going off of past, personal experience here, most of that backdoors mudslinging is exactly that--backdoors mudslinging with no basis in reality, spread solely to ruin that person's reputation. That is harassment. In fact, that kind of harassment is far, far more common than negative fallout from ERP encounters, and just as hurtful.
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That's an unfortunate viewpoint you have there. I admit I had expected something a bit less... provocative, from someone like you.
If we cannot trust one another with consent because someone might stab us in the back - why should we bother interacting? Why bother trying to build a community?
In your own words: Down With That Sort Of Thing
Someone like me ?
After IC interactions with people, I have received OOC private mails or conversations, saying things such as: "you don't want to interact with them, if you do any erp with them, they're likely to put it up on their corp forums for people to laugh at". I have been informed on more than one occasion that character X is actually player Y's "cyber alt", and thus IC interactions with them are unlikely to further our corporation's goals.
The people sending you tells are the ones in the wrong, there, because they are trying to influence your in-character interactions with their out-of-character opinions. Who the player is OOCly doesn't matter, what matters is the IC interactions. People shouldn't try to OOCly dictate who other players can/should interact with ICly.
And going off of past, personal experience here, most of that backdoors mudslinging is exactly that--backdoors mudslinging with no basis in reality, spread solely to ruin that person's reputation. That is harassment. In fact, that kind of harassment is far, far more common than negative fallout from ERP encounters, and just as hurtful.
+1
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That's an unfortunate viewpoint you have there. I admit I had expected something a bit less... provocative, from someone like you.
If we cannot trust one another with consent because someone might stab us in the back - why should we bother interacting? Why bother trying to build a community?
In your own words: Down With That Sort Of Thing
Someone like me ?
After IC interactions with people, I have received OOC private mails or conversations, saying things such as: "you don't want to interact with them, if you do any erp with them, they're likely to put it up on their corp forums for people to laugh at". I have been informed on more than one occasion that character X is actually player Y's "cyber alt", and thus IC interactions with them are unlikely to further our corporation's goals.
The people sending you tells are the ones in the wrong, there, because they are trying to influence your in-character interactions with their out-of-character opinions. Who the player is OOCly doesn't matter, what matters is the IC interactions. People shouldn't try to OOCly dictate who other players can/should interact with ICly.
And going off of past, personal experience here, most of that backdoors mudslinging is exactly that--backdoors mudslinging with no basis in reality, spread solely to ruin that person's reputation. That is harassment. In fact, that kind of harassment is far, far more common than negative fallout from ERP encounters, and just as hurtful.
+1 here too
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The only negative fallout I've had is people telling me stuff like Lasa is a slut, but that person since apologized for it.
I think the people that have issues are the ones that can't make the IC/OOC divide. Getting pissy about IC stuff OOC is silly imo.
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The people sending you tells are the ones in the wrong, there, because they are trying to influence your in-character interactions with their out-of-character opinions. Who the player is OOCly doesn't matter, what matters is the IC interactions. People shouldn't try to OOCly dictate who other players can/should interact with ICly.
And going off of past, personal experience here, most of that backdoors mudslinging is exactly that--backdoors mudslinging with no basis in reality, spread solely to ruin that person's reputation. That is harassment. In fact, that kind of harassment is far, far more common than negative fallout from ERP encounters, and just as hurtful.
I'm going to go against the crowd and disagree. Is it possible that someone is warning you not to ERP with someone else because they want to ruin their reputation? Certainly. It is possible that they're trying to save you the problems that will come with discovering that the person you decided to sleep with IC is a scumbag OOC? Certainly.
I've done that myself once or twice - convo'd or messaged someone (usually a friend) to say "Hey, that's so-and-so's alt, you don't want to sleep with them, trust me." I wasn't doing it out of malice, I was doing it because no one likes watching their friends go through the shit that OOC assholes in EVE can put you through with IC actions. I can't think of any case where the person I warned was anything but grateful.
Is it OOC information influencing IC action? Yep. Is that a Bad Thing? Usually, but in this case I don't think so. In most other RP settings, if someone does something to deliberately hurt you IC with OOC motivation, there are consequences. In EVE, there really aren't. As such, I don't have a problem using OOC info to avoid such people in the first place.
It'd be nicer if they simply didn't exist, but they do, and some of them are really nasty.
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Ok. I've kinda been somewhat involved in of one of these things discussed on the last page. As I think the RP community is in some respects almost like a small village, I will try to talk about it without giving too much away, but if I fail, please forgive me.
I was also warned once by X about character Y and advised to not RP with it. The reason for this was that some OOC friendships of X were terminated because Y spread OOC and IC lies about X, a lot of it related to sex plotlines and/or ERP.
Now, I can fully understand someone that had this happen to him/her to want to warn people about this, but I can't just take their word for it, as it might as well be that they are telling the lies.
In the case above, I had already engaged in RP with Y. The player claimed that it was part misunderstanding, part family member "hi-jacking" the character or something.
From my position, I couldn't tell who's telling the truth. I don't like to have OOC stuff between players influence IC stuff between characters too, so I gave Y the benefit of the doubt. All I can do is keep my guard up around Y.
As far as the possiblity of publishing ERP logs on forums and laughing about them is concerned: I don't really care if that happened. I find it about as silly as laughing about sex scenes in movies and books (unless, of course, they are funny). I am not easily affected by the opinions of the immature.
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Oh, I wasn't asserting anyone who engages in erotic roleplay thusly has a bad sex life. I was speaking personally.
To elaborate a little: if one has a hole in their life, I feel that EVE is a poor place to fill it (heh, insert penetration pun) because it is merely gratification through simulacrum. This applies not only to the topic at hand but how we treat the game and our lives in general.
I agree would be much better to find real post human sexual experience in zero G with wild eyed amarrian blood cultist heretics and make passionate love while watching colonies burn with liberating anarchic fires through the solid fields of the captains quarters...
But sometimes practicality does limit the extent of our wildest fantasies. I've met any number of fellow travellers in the universe of bdsm who have discovered that 24/7 power exchange relationships might sound extremely erotic in the minds-eye of high fantasy but one's knees do get terribly sore after the first few hours ...
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"I'm very pleased that you like me enough to want to go again but I'm sore and CONCORD won't let me clone jump for another twenty hours."
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Oh, I wasn't asserting anyone who engages in erotic roleplay thusly has a bad sex life. I was speaking personally.
To elaborate a little: if one has a hole in their life, I feel that EVE is a poor place to fill it (heh, insert penetration pun) because it is merely gratification through simulacrum. This applies not only to the topic at hand but how we treat the game and our lives in general.
I agree would be much better to find real post human sexual experience in zero G with wild eyed amarrian blood cultist heretics and make passionate love while watching colonies burn with liberating anarchic fires through the solid fields of the captains quarters..
Ha, okay, I can accept that fantasy as a little difficult to act out in actuality. ;)
To each their own, I suppose!
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I have ERPed in the past, but not in EVE, nor would I. In any circumstance in which Andreus is in a position to have sex, I just agree on it with whoever the other half (or in one case, two thirds ;)) of the hook-up and then "cut to black."
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Someone, that was into lots of ERP, wasn't happy that I said they weren't going to be allowed into one of the channels that I created for my corp.
They made not one, but two, alts, to try and infiltrate, by applying to my corporation.
I had to tell the CEO of their main's corp, to get it to stop.
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Someone, that was into lots of ERP, wasn't happy that I said they weren't going to be allowed into one of the channels that I created for my corp.
They made not one, but two, alts, to try and infiltrate, by applying to my corporation.
I had to tell the CEO of their main's corp, to get it to stop.
How is this relevant to the topic at hand?
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How is this relevant to the topic at hand?
An example of how it can be used to the detriment of other people's enjoyment.
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How is this relevant to the topic at hand?
An example of how it can be used to the detriment of other people's enjoyment.
Because alt accounts never otherwise apply to corporations in an effort to get in with malicious intent? ERP is not the cause of that. OOC issues are.
I don't see why it matters that somebody who ERPs wanted to get into your corp for whatever reason. I think you're also grasping at strings. Unless you know for a fact (not a hunch) that they wanted into your corp because of ERP, instead of, say... to awox your ships or steal your stuff or ruin your standings... your point is not relevant. You're trying to draw a connection between angry alts and ERP as an example of why it's "bad".
Please stop.
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Also, erotic does not necessarily = explicit or vulgar.
Not empty quoting.
Seems my feelings on this matter are better expressed by a few others already but I'll add my two ISK anyway. I don't see anything inherently wrong with erotic roleplay, even when it is explicit or vulgar, as long as it is kept private between the parties involved and assuming those parties involved wanted to engage in it. Relationships romantic, intimate, or sexual are all valid avenues for character development. Like any specific aspect, trait, quirk, or activity it's probably best to not let it be the sole focus of a character.
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You're trying to draw a connection between angry alts and ERP as an example of why it's "bad".
No. I'm explaining why I have no interest in it.
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I'm sad that I didn't get to chime into this conversation sooner.
I have ERP'd and will again, but only under the guidelines of making sense for my character. However I find a lot of character development in the act of "doing it."
I can think of endless examples where the act of having 'sex' :oops: is as important as the interaction leading up to it.
I think this way because there are levels of power established in the act of doing it that aren't easily replicated in other ways. I'll leave everyone's undoubtedly dirty imaginations figure out the rest of that dynamic.
Even if you don't ERP out the scene, as discussion still needs to happen about the dynamics of that sex. Intimacies need to be shared between characters so to speak.
When Logan was with Usagi (another male driven, female character) we never ERPed but we still had conversations about the sex, like what was going on behind those closed doors. Not in a totally erotica way, but things like; who's dominant, what's going on behind the curtain, what kind of bedroom relationship is there?
I actually find it really frustrating when people give fairly poor answers (despite being great RPers otherwise) about the sexual side of their being.
For instance, some powerful figures in history preferred to be submissive, or their power led them to do strange and or wonderful things in the bedroom. Fascinating stuff that for me is only truly accessible via ERP.
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Poor answer as "extremely scarse and not detailed", or poor answer as "not very believable" ?
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Poor answer as "extremely scarse and not detailed", or poor answer as "not very believable" ?
:lol:
Oh the ways I can respond to this....
Poor answers as in both I suppose.
Not very believable as in let's just say over-enhanced... but that's not really what we are talking about here. So this is more an irritating trope that most men fall into.
Extremely scarse - as in the idea that either "it's been a long time," or "I dunno what I like what do you like? thats exactly what I like!." I don't mind people not having been in the situation not having the information immediately on hand to use. But come on, even the most awkward virgins can figure out some stuff. Even socially awkward penguins.
Mostly I think I mean people who do the not knowing what they like and then being like "oh you like that? yeah that's what I like too" for all values of "that"
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Just don't forget, that expressing sexuality is not acceptable in majority of New Eden societies. It might work for Gallentes or Guristas, but in the Empire you will be called heathens or even executed (maybe? can any of faithful Amarr RP-ers comment this?). Even in same society but different layers acceptance of sexual expression can be quite different. I roleplayed once how Caldari attacked another Caldari for sexual content, and it was a fun thing to do.
And answering to Logan Fyreite, a character raised in strict society might simple "doesn't know" how to react to intimate questions, can lock, give poor answers, or even cuss at you, because a character may consider it inappropriate, or simply lacking experience or education in this area.
Besides, simple lack of sexual relaxation can help to build a character to make him/her more evil and irritating. And even change him/her after sexual experience to become more soft and kind.
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Just don't forget, that expressing sexuality is not acceptable in majority of New Eden societies. It might work for Gallentes or Guristas, but in the Empire you will be called heathens or even executed (maybe? can any of faithful Amarr RP-ers comment this?).
Neither, but it will be a huge faux pas that will severely damage your reputation. If it's very overt it'd probably lead to arrest and punishment but I doubt execution.
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Just don't forget, that expressing sexuality is not acceptable in majority of New Eden societies. It might work for Gallentes or Guristas, but in the Empire you will be called heathens or even executed (maybe? can any of faithful Amarr RP-ers comment this?).
Yeah, and you're burned alive in the Fed. if you don't give at least one blowjob in public a day and flayed alive by your gurista buddies if you haven't injected some heroin by at least lunch! :psyccp:
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As a Minmatar I reserve my right to sleep with whoever I like :D
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Or whomever you catch? :lol:
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Don't even tempt me, my frigate pilot impulses might take over ._.
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Besides, simple lack of sexual relaxation can help to build a character to make him/her more evil and irritating. And even change him/her after sexual experience to become more soft and kind.
So, uh, lack of sexual release makes people evil and sexual activity makes them nice and good? <.< Weird.
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Well unless they're girls of course.
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And answering to Logan Fyreite, a character raised in strict society might simple "doesn't know" how to react to intimate questions, can lock, give poor answers, or even cuss at you, because a character may consider it inappropriate, or simply lacking experience or education in this area.
I feel like you are trying to make what I am saying out to be different than what I am actually trying to say. I'm not saying "everyone should be having sex all the time! It's the only way to RP!" And I get the impression from your post that is what you are trying to intone about my statement. If you have RP 'reasons' not to have sex then use those rp reasons not to have sex, that's cool, that's effective thought out RP. But then expect a different dynamic from someone than if there was sex in that relationship.
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Bringing ERP back.
My advice for erotic roleplaying is to talk to the person or people that you are doing this with out of character first. Of course I made the mistake of jumping in face first into ERP. In retrospect, I feel like it added too much immersion to the roleplay. IC feelings if strong enough can inevitably become OOC feelings. Which, unless you plan on having an OOC relationship with the person or people, will end horribly. Please also remember this is a game. ERP for fun, not as an ailment for your real life troubles. Like any drug, it will only make things worse if you are doing it as an ailment. It can become an addiction.
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Of all the topics to necro, Funk.
As for me, I couldn't care less if people ERP as long as it is not in a public channel not intended for that purpose.
It's also annoying when people somehow expect their 'overtly sensual' characters to get special treatment and/or interest from other characters. But that has nothing to do with ERP, it's just shitty characters. The players seem to get offended when someone's character doesn't respond to theirs well when they try to be sexy and flirt with you nonstop.
I'm not judging you as a player. Really. My character just thinks yours is a stupid whore. I myself couldn't care less what you enjoy.
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Space Toiletries talk and now ERP. I know your kinks.
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Wat.
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Space Toiletries talk and now ERP. I know your kinks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cnQCk0u49w
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Space Toiletries talk and now ERP. I know your kinks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cnQCk0u49w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHgwsA59WOY
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There ain't enough ISK in Eve to make me click those youtube links.
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There ain't enough ISK in Eve to make me click those youtube links.
First one is actually pretty good.
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I think the biggest risk is that someone can cut and paste it, and use it against you. Sometimes to 'gaslight' you, which is American slang for 'screw with your mind'. For example, in one game they created a guild or something for a BDSM club. Some young-ish girl joined and was publicly enjoying what she thought was a private moment. The next day, someone broadcast what she said while getting spanked by a Mistress throughout the whole world with a shout. That woman/ girl was humiliated. It was a cruel and childish prank, but it could be worse.
Combat pilots must be calm and focused to succeed in battle. Things such as ERP, when carried on with more than two people, has the potential to be spied upon and used against you. This isn't too far fetched when you live in a high security, high surveillance police state like Caldari or Amarr. However, it can also be used against you and twisted against you.
Emotions and tempers flare, when what you thought were private roleplay sessions were cut and pasted, had names changed and doctored, and fired off with an urgent complaint from a 'concerned citizen' to your CEO and senior officers? What if an AWOXer alt blurts out some intimate, and what you thought was private, ERP that you wrote that somehow got saved to be used against you? Certainly in the middle of combat, that might fluster you a little. Imagine it happened as part of a war dec? Like the War of the Roses?
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I've already seen people do shit like that in EVE. I'm sure some people here remember someone (who will remain un-named) posting "logs" into a channel of their RP partner (who will also remain un-named) engaging in ERP with a pet slaver hound. (No confirmation was ever made of whether the logs were real, but I don't think anyone who saw it really cared to think on it enough to find out.)
There is also the whole EULA thing, which, when GMs will happily warn you for dropping an f-bomb or two into a player-owned channel, you can bet your ass they'll do more than that for ERP logs that make their way to them.
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S. Did get that PIE member booted for unconsentual attempts at sexy times. A rare instance of IC and ooc preferences aligning.
Consent, consent, consent in all things.
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Exactly, as long as everyone involved is a consenting adult and no one gets hurt...what does it matter?
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Ah, this old hat...
Nowhere else do we flirt (pun intended) on both sides of the Rp dichotomy (IC/OOC) than with ERP.
Of course the usage of ERP is always upto to both parties, the standard rules for RP (it takes two to tango) apply just like everywhere else. Being ERP'd at, is almost always hilariously embarrassing for the person engaging in it and completely pointless everytime.
ERP however (at least to me) is an avenue that helps to develop a fully fleshed out character. Like it's been said here 100 times already ERP is a tool for expressing our characters Sexuality. Barring those who are role playing Asexual's (and even then there's an argument for Sexuality) ERP represents an effective way to fully encapsulate and aspect of our characters that many of us feel makes up (at least some) of the portrait we've created. One should note however ERP is not the Only way to do this. Plenty of people use Npc spouses or Fade-to-black, because of course in many instances and preferences Sexuality and sex itself is just like brushing ones teeth (I. E. There is no deeper meaning, it's just to relieve stress with a mutually willing partner, etc, etc.)
All that being said, there are some things that should be taken seriously in regards to the use of ERP. Like other aspects of role-playing I have always viewed there to be two distinct and unavoidable sides. There is one side. "Role play for the love of the medium" which I consider a healthy love for our hobbie, it's our interest in the first place and "should be" what drives us to seek others to role play and share a world with.
There is however another other side to role play. One we all fall into one way or another. I call this side "Therapy Role play." It is for the most part benign and an avenue for us to act out our fantasies, fears, and hash out little issues. However.... What we choose to bring up out of ourselves is a dangerous and risky thing. Someone who logs in for "therapy role play" instead of for the love of the hobby has slipped into a dangerous realm of applying band-aid fixes for problems that need real attention. It's easy to spot it but hard to deal with.
TLDR: Everything in moderation.
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ERP with a pet slaver hound.
good heavens, when was this ?
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Of course the first thread and the first topic that isn't stickied is this right after registering. Hi folks, and keep it private and make sure sex isn't the only personality trait a character has; nothing wrong with it.
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ERP is ... complicated. It looks at first glance like something that can be simple, but....
My only such incident in Eve involved a "fade to black," but t'was not always so. Before coming to Eve, I was a regular in a series of semi-interconnected Neverwinter Nights persistent worlds. ERP was semi-routine. At that time, as a young adult and aspiring writer finally given license to explore that side of adulthood, I took part happily. At base, after all, it was just a multi-author approach to writing sex (or sexually-related) scenes, like in a novel. No problem, right?
Ah. Did I mention that our particular circle of characters was the Chaotic Evil faction? Drow, tieflings, and demons, oh my, with everybody playing everything more or less to the hilt. It started at kinky and cheerfully went wandering off into nightmarish. Since everybody was, at least apparently, clear in their understanding of the rules (consent between players), there were few obvious problems-- at first.
Except....
* Textual "intercourse" is slow, and eventually gets boring unless there's something there that goes beyond "just another sex scene". The usual solution is to get more ... creative ... but that has its own issues. See below.
Anyway, there are more fun things to do, like Polymorph Any Object-ing a metal-munching rust monster into a chest full of gold coins, casting Undetectable Aura on it to keep the magic hidden, and then offering it as a donation at the temple of the Dwarven god of wealth. The spell lasts just a bit longer than it takes the clergy to stow it safely in the treasury....
Having a game with a high dedicated GM-to-player ratio hath its advantages. I miss that aspect of NwN a lot.
* In-character interaction is not as serious as actual, real-life sex, but it's participatory in a way that merely writing erotica isn't. Neither my soon-to-be wife nor I was entirely comfy with the other's doings in this regard, and this was a major consideration in leaving the habit behind.
* It is wholly possible to get cyber-stalked in character. There are those whose OOC insecurities and fixations take "cybering" from conceptual adult exploration and/or bit of jolly-getting-through-fiction into distinctly unhealthy territory. This happened to me twice.
* "Anything goes" doesn't quite mean what it looks like, even if you think you're willing to take most anything that would realistically happen to your character in X situation and run with it. At the darker end (and remember we're talking about a demon cult), stuff easily happened that I didn't even know there was a word for. (There was, mostly; I just didn't know it at the time.) One guy was a complete hound until a line got crossed I'm not sure he even knew he had. I'll just say that it involved a malicious prank based on mind control and same-sex incest, and leave it at that. He was the only one I ever knew to leave permanently over a single incident.
Overall, I won't quite say that I regret doing ERP, but I'm content to take the lessons (and the knowledge of what kind of limits my imagination does not have) and go my way.
These days I prefer to give my characters some privacy.
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Honestly, the very notion of ERP makes me cringe. Partly because in Singapore it stands for 'Electronic Road Pricing' (basically an automated toll booth), and partly because the ERP I know of reads like an IKEA manual mixed in with wishy-washy-ness of the highest order.
I keep my characters from getting involved whenever I can.
Especially considering that I know next to nothing about intercourse beyond the textbook to be able to play that without making it read like an IKEA manual.
Also, I'm not playing a spaceship game just to have imaginary sex. I'm here to have imaginary spaceship battles and imaginary last frontier adventures. Also also, my character is practically married (to his spaceships).
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Especially considering that I know next to nothing about intercourse beyond the textbook to be able to play that without making it read like an IKEA manual.
Describing the rush of emotions, thoughts, sensations, nervousness, excitement, determination, and other reactions to sex turns out to be exceedingly difficult to do in text. Especially in EVE, where you're limited to barely three sentences per post. There's a lot going on during those [average] 30 minutes.
There's a lot of bodily functions going on. Hormones flood your brain, all five senses flare up like a Lite-Brite on steroids. Everything about him/her is hitting you full force, and your heart is pounding. The scent of their body, the way they look, the sounds they're making, the way they are touching you, the taste of the kiss.
The anxiety of what's about to happen, a nervous sense of anticipation, the determination to do everything just right (or just to get off), the knowledge that you're about to get it on like Donkey Kong. Your brain is running a mile a minute, all while you're still trying to get your fucking necktie/brassiere off.
Then comes the bumping and grinding, and a lot of it. Some pretty disgusting sounds happen there, and it's usually not all that pretty to look at down there either. Kinda weird actually. Why did I look at it? Oh god, am I losing wood/wet?! Quick, think about their [sexy stuff]!
Sex in real life is confusing as shit, stressful, chaotic, and not at all scripted or legible in any fashion. It just sort-of happens, and you take a tumble in the sheets for a while only to flop over panting and sweating. Unfortunately, chaotic confusing and stressful RP is not easy to do in EVE unless it's the IGS or Summit, and unless you rock out with your cock out while you trollin' dem scrublodytes in those venues... you probably don't get off on it either.
So most people ERP like an IKEA textbook. They focus on one coherent thoughtline for the roleplay, like... the way the genitals are rubbing, or something. It's simple, and "boring", and not at all like the real thing - because it isn't the real thing.
Sex is not ERP. ERP is not sex.
Don't go into one expecting the other.
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It's like all roleplay, it's as "boring" as your imagination makes it.
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It's like all roleplay, it's as "boring" as your imagination makes it.
I roleplay pissing you off, and you roleplay pissing me off. Then we undock for real and shoot each other merrily in some place or other, maybe chase each other around or across belts until one of us is relief of our ship. That's not exactly all that boring now, is it?
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Did I say it was?
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I've done ERP, and it isn't all bad. It definitely can get very stale very easily though. Maybe its being an adult with unlimited access to porn, but it has just lost a lot of its appeal factor in the last few years. I would say most of the time, I'd just fade to black at this point, unless there was some roleplay related underlying reason to act it out. I assume my character is pretty damn promiscuous, I just don't feel the need to describe it in detail unless the detail is relevant for some other reason.
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Likewise.
My internal rule is: Always do it the first time with a new partner if the other player is willing. This is an establishing moment for both characters. After that, usually FtB unless the encounter is likely to lead to character development.
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For me, anything except godmodding/mind control (and other stuff that implies loss of control) is possible. It includes ERP, and ERP waaaay isn't worst that could happen with a character :P (or, okay... good for someone hehe....)
So, for example, if someone would want to ERP with me, they could easily do it. However it doesn't guarantee that my character(s) would act in ERP manner, or how you would expect them to act :twisted: In short: try at your own (your character's) risk.
I had several attempts of several different peoples, who tried to ERP with me... ughm... OOC-ly. That I won't accept, even if I was making ERP-ish looking jokes. In fact, on such approach I prefer to ask them to try this in normal RP... after all, could be content.
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I just want to point out that FtB doesn't have to be non-content. There can easily be an OOC discussion of 'how it went' without going into any details. From my perspective, the notion that ERP is needed for dynamic content is largely a myth unless you are looking for extremely specific kind of content.
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FtB can work only if both characters are loving each other and... well... know what they are doing.
And when it is known to go wrong... either don't do FtB, or don't do it at all, otherwise it would be simply [redacted] :P
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I'm not sure if it really counts as ERP, but Visian is the furthering of my Mr Vapor character back in the day. He was known for being a flirt with the lady avatars and got himself in trouble on several occasions. Basically, he's a flirt but one with a reason that doesn't really revolve around getting "laid" so to speak. He uses innuendo to further his goals. Used correctly, it fleshes out a character. Used incorrectly, it comes off as creepy.
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FtB can work only if both characters are loving each other and... well... know what they are doing.
And when it is known to go wrong... either don't do FtB, or don't do it at all, otherwise it would be simply [redacted] :P
That is untrue. FtB can be used for all sorts of experiences if the OOC discussion is well thought out. If people don't like that approach, that's groovy. But it can work just fine.
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FtB is fine if that's how you wish to handle things. As a "great man" once said, you decide your own level of involvement. If however you like to play with the details and exercise your imagination there, then that can quite easily be fun as well. RP is a thing you do for fun, not every action has to be about character development after all, or even a planned development of your character. It could just be something you want to do, ERP or otherwise.
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I don't disagree with that. As I said earlier, if people want to ERP or want to FtB, to each their own. I was just arguing against the notion that FtB is somehow contentless.
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Discussing 'how things went' is a good option, and FtB definitely isn't contentless. It's useful in many situations.
Though, for me personally I tend to avoid doing it too much. I find talking OOCly about 'how things went' tends to feel too distant and scripted for my tastes. I personally prefer the visceral experience out of roleplay in general, since for me it's more immersive to let the characters' actions drive me instead of vice versa. I need that directness from my RP.
I'm not sure if it really counts as ERP, but Visian is the furthering of my Mr Vapor character back in the day. He was known for being a flirt with the lady avatars and got himself in trouble on several occasions. Basically, he's a flirt but one with a reason that doesn't really revolve around getting "laid" so to speak. He uses innuendo to further his goals. Used correctly, it fleshes out a character. Used incorrectly, it comes off as creepy.
So that's why he's been buying everyone drinks at the LSB...
<.<
>.>
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As someone who is almost incapable of making plans, scripting rp is a challenge for me, I have to let things happen.
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As someone who is almost incapable of making plans, scripting rp is a challenge for me, I have to let things happen.
I am a fan of having a Very Broad, based Outline of how it should work out. But I never go into detail of how I/we Should get to said way. And sometimes Im fully willing to let it go play by play, and however it ends it ends that way.
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Likewise.
My internal rule is: Always do it the first time with a new partner if the other player is willing. This is an establishing moment for both characters. After that, usually FtB unless the encounter is likely to lead to character development.
I just want to point out that FtB doesn't have to be non-content. There can easily be an OOC discussion of 'how it went' without going into any details. From my perspective, the notion that ERP is needed for dynamic content is largely a myth unless you are looking for extremely specific kind of content.
Both of these sum up my general stance on it. ERP for ERP's sake is not my cup of tea, and I only consider it if there's character/plot development involved that shouldn't be passed on.
ERP with a pet slaver hound.
good heavens, when was this ?
I'm sure you remember the Sphere.
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Lol that place
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I'm sure someone will judge me for this statement, but it's what got me into actual roleplay
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good heavens, when was this ?
I'm sure you remember the Sphere.
Actually, I don't.
That was Silas Vitalia's experiment to demonstrate that capsuleers were entirely capable of having conversations without any form of moderation, wasn't it ?
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Yeah it was. It was then overshadowed by CCP's summit with no moderation channel.
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It was Silas' experiment to see if it was possible (it wasn't, the content quality was horrendous) and he closed it. CCP's derpy duplicates came a while later.
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What is this ERP?
Never done anything remotely sexy with my character. He is boring as a brick.
Civire make great paperweights, by the way.
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What is this ERP?
Never done anything remotely sexy with my character. He is boring as a brick.
Civire make great paperweights, by the way.
Schlongs of Civirim.
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Confirming that Gottii and Graelyn's eRP chatlogs were the rough draft for The Cardinal Rule.
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All I know: Aldy & Mitty are hotter.
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All I know: Aldy & Mitty are hotter.
Confirmed.
We have children to prove *something* happened.
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It has to get filled somehow...
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On a semi-related side note - I find it pretty funny how most parents I know(myself included) were so protective of the first child, then got progressively less concerned each additional child:
1st - "OMG! Don't let him crawl in the kitchen! The dogs just walked through there!"
2nd - "He's eating dirt? He'll be fine."
3rd - "He's playing with a knife? Life lesson."
This kind of thing has happened with Aldy and Mit's pregnancies and the topic of Mit continuing to pilot in the WZ.
1st - Mit: "Preggers", Aldy: "FUCKNOWHATTHEHELLAREYOUTHINKINGIFORBIDITFROTHFROTHFROTH!!!"
2nd - Mit: "Preggers", Aldy: "I really, really, really don't want you to fly in the warzone. Can you please not fly? Goddamnit."
3rd - Mit: "Preggers", Aldy: "Huh? Oh, ok, don't get podded."
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Only because you never managed to get podded during the pregnancy.
I guarantee it'd reset to stage 1 if you did. :lol:
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We have children to prove *something* happened.
:( So insensitive...
ERP has taught me 2 things I didn't know about Ché:
- He is very fertile.
- For some reason, God hates him or his partners, and kills the fruit of his passion before it can say "embryo".
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We have children to prove *something* happened.
:( So insensitive...
ERP has taught me 2 things I didn't know about Ché:
- He is very fertile.
- For some reason, God hates him or his partners, and kills the fruit of his passion before it can say "embryo".
Well of course. God hates Gallente. :)
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(http://i.imgur.com/ZMpvTsF.jpg)
It has to get filled somehow...
And this is an example of something to *not* ERP. So awkward.
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What is this ERP?
Never done anything remotely sexy with my character. He is boring as a brick.
Civire make great paperweights, by the way.
This is what the Civire chin is for.
I had long decided that Elmund's a technophile and his life revolves around spaceships, power coupling, circuit boards and things falling off, exploding or not doing what's expected of them. Also ritualised maintenance.
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Technophile in context of ERP sounds somewhat pervy and naughty :P
And drones. Yes, drones. Where's Muck Racker? :lol:
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This is an interesting thread with some good points worth thinking about.
Personally, I think that if a character has any nuances, kinks or hang-ups that are relevant to their development or are likely to play a part in their relationships, then they should be defined; whether you do this OOC or full on gasp-by-gasp is down the consent of the players involved, of course.
And as Samira mentioned, there's little need to cover such details again after they are established, and a FtB can work just fine.
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Technophile in context of ERP sounds somewhat pervy and naughty :P
And drones. Yes, drones. Where's Muck Racker? :lol:
If Elmund could take his warships out on candlelit dinner, he would. However, Breachers do not feed on anything but fuel, power and the sorrow of their enemies and every restaurant has restrictions against starships.
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Breacher and Probe, sittin' in a tree...
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Technophile in context of ERP sounds somewhat pervy and naughty :P
And drones. Yes, drones. Where's Muck Racker? :lol:
If Elmund could take his warships out on candlelit dinner, he would. However, Breachers do not feed on anything but fuel, power and the sorrow of their enemies and every restaurant has restrictions against starships.
Elmund was walking along the Breacher hull, moving his huge masculine palm on her soft shiny, but rusty looking ferrite plating. He stopped for a moment and looked at ship's cockpit, she was standing tall and long, whole 185 meters near tiny him, with her foils reflecting shining light of hangar lamps. Elmund put his second palm on her hull, fingers wide, and moved his arms apart, sliding and touching her with whole hands, and slowly moving his face down, until his lips landed on a smooth armor plate. He looked at his reflection and kissed her, tilted his head and landed with his cheek on this plate, right where he kissed her before, closing eyes and moving his palms wide around her hull affectionately: she was his, completely, from this armor plate to the last bolt.
He stood back, grabbed firmly fueling hose, breathing deeply, his second palm was slowly sliding towards her filling cap, touching her hull all the way through, still looking at her cockpit...
* screen fades to black *
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Thanks, Kim. I must now introduce my noggin to a spanner.
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Once.
Got weird.
That is all.
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Once.
Got weird.
That is all.
Nope. I was great. You loved it.
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Once.
Got weird.
That is all.
Nope. I was great. You loved it.
Uncomfortable. Sitting down. Prolapse.
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So N'maro's into pegging. Duly noted.
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Technophile in context of ERP sounds somewhat pervy and naughty :P
And drones. Yes, drones. Where's Muck Racker? :lol:
If Elmund could take his warships out on candlelit dinner, he would. However, Breachers do not feed on anything but fuel, power and the sorrow of their enemies and every restaurant has restrictions against starships.
Elmund was walking along the Breacher hull, moving his huge masculine palm on her soft shiny, but rusty looking ferrite plating. He stopped for a moment and looked at ship's cockpit, she was standing tall and long, whole 185 meters near tiny him, with her foils reflecting shining light of hangar lamps. Elmund put his second palm on her hull, fingers wide, and moved his arms apart, sliding and touching her with whole hands, and slowly moving his face down, until his lips landed on a smooth armor plate. He looked at his reflection and kissed her, tilted his head and landed with his cheek on this plate, right where he kissed her before, closing eyes and moving his palms wide around her hull affectionately: she was his, completely, from this armor plate to the last bolt.
He stood back, grabbed firmly fueling hose, breathing deeply, his second palm was slowly sliding towards her filling cap, touching her hull all the way through, still looking at her cockpit...
* screen fades to black *
Best post on the entire forum right here.
10/10
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So that was the secret you were hiding from us N'maro ...
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So that was the secret you were hiding from us N'maro ...
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So I am gonna necro this thread. Che linked it to me and I read it all and there were some interesting posts.
As for my own view. ERP in EVE has helped me understand my sexuality and get the courage to accept myself and come out of the closet. In some ways Miz has been an experiment on that front and it felt great to get in touch of the sides of me that I had suppressed.
(https://qzprod.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/beautiful-rainbow-flag.jpg?quality=80&strip=all&w=496)
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Hey, good on you. :cube:
Not the first time I've heard about people finding things out about themselves through the medium, probably won't be the last.
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Something something down with this necro thing something....
I kid, I think it's preferable and useful to continue a thread even if years later, if only for context.
I was going to do my own thoughtfully written post to this thread, but I'm struggling to word it how I like, or put a point across, or even find what my bloody point is. Stand by for that while I get a coffee.
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Alright, the short of it.
ERP is fine between consenting players. There's nothing fundamentally wrong with it no matter the content involved so long as that Golden Rule of consent is in place.
As for my stance and experiences? I'd have a point to make but after reflection it's basically summed up as "No Opinion" because I simply don't have the experience in it. Ignoring the hormonial driven explorations of ERP as a teenager with other teenagers for obvious reasons, in terms of a more adult or mature take on it it's just not happened (aside from one brief and kinda forgettable time when I literally started out RPing in EVE and hadn't gotten 'serious' yet.)
I'm not adverse to it so long as I feel it matches in to whatever I'm doing, but on the flip side I'm not seeking it in any kind of fashion aside from the other side suggesting 'let's do this' and me going 'ok, sure'.
This still came out a crap post didn't it?
E: To clarify I'm mostly talking about the active act of roleplaying out sex acts. I've explored Utari's sexuality itself in a OOC brief discussions giving outlines sense, as well as personal internal reflections and musings to kill the time going to work. His sexual preferences, kinks and tastes are, atleast theoretically, all in place. Just not really 'done' them actively so to speak.
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erp until your dick falls off y'all
just don't keep all your RP centered around it and don't pressure folks OOC for it and you're gucci
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Most of what I'd want to say has been said, honestly.
I've ERPed. Wasn't in eve, wasn't really a fan. My characters aren't really interested because of that(not relationships, they'd be fine with that if it came to it).
I don't really care if people ERP, provided they don't attempt to pressure people OOC to do it.
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I thought we are all already engaged in ERP.
I mean, 'getting in real close to the other guy's ship and overheat everything' is an erotic act, isn't it?
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I thought we are all already engaged in ERP.
Ah, the raw sensuality of the manufacturing queue.
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https://i.imgur.com/srGVqpV.png (https://i.imgur.com/srGVqpV.png)
unf. tell me about your profit margins bby~
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unf. tell me about your profit margins bby~
Oh, my. Look at that peak!
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It's been a while since I've seen this thread, but while I think most/all of my earlier posts still stand, it's been long enough that I think with all the time I've spent outside of EVE lately that I should probably snag some of what I said on Slack earlier and shuffle it around into a forum post. Tomorrow, though.
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And always wear a wizard hat.
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Well, this isn't something I've thought about for years.
I've had IC relationships where ERP has taken place, and relationships where it hasn't. Depends entirely on player choice, character circumstance, and, frankly, if you've got the patience. It can be difficult to get steamy through text.
As far as it's place in the wider RP community, I actually feel it's somewhat less prevalent than it used to be a few years back. The aforementioned "cyber alts" seem to have died off. What ERP is/might be taking place is staying in the private sphere rather more.
Or maybe I'm just far enough removed from the majority of the community that I don't see it.
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While reluctant at first, I found that engaging in ERP (single-sided through blog posts at first, with a partner later on) did help flesh out my character - sometimes in unexpected ways. It's not a focus, but yet it is an essential part of my character's tapestry (and I admit: sometimes it's fun to do just for its own sake).
The IC/OOC barrier is a two-sided sword: On the one hand, it is both hard and important to keep IC and OOC relations separate, and one also has to be conscious about the fact that a full separation is nigh impossible - especially since this is an area where people get vulnerable. On the other hand, some bleed-over can be useful, because (E)RP allows one to explore situations which in RL might not have even occurred to you to do. It can be a way to learn about yourself.
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I have found (E)RP extremely enhancing to character development. Having a 10 year gap for this character means I have the ability to change the direction of the character from when it started until now.
What has also helped is watching my partners (Cass is down to two regular partners) grow and develop as well.
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I had a discussion with someone on this topic not that long ago and some of the thoughts are still in my mind. My opinions mostly overlap with the ones already expressed in that it's a matter of personal preference. For myself I have never been comfortable with the practice of ERP. I just can't properly, I guess, dig that far into my soul for character content without the usual real life stuff that makes the situation. I can fake a lot of RP without the actual persons and settings existing but intimate matters are different.I could write smut but I couldn't properly navigate my fictional character through the act. At least, not in real time.
There are those that can, though, and use that ability to explore a facet of their character every bit as important as anger, sadness, greed, or what have you.
I only skimmed a little bit in the thread (sue me) but (and I hope I'm not just parroting someone that made one of the posts I didn't read) I think the contention on the issue is really only the result of peoples' reaction to people who abuse it. People who use RP as a chance to engage in some fantasy, possibly against the will of the other participant (as has happened to me on one occasion), which only serves them as a (to be crass) masturbatory aid. Which, of course, is fine between or among consenting participants. But there have been some people (there will always be such people) who abuse this aspect of the human genre just to get off.
Anyway, I think the rule should be the Bill and Ted "be excellent to each other" requirement and try to use best judgement when engaging in this kind of RP.
Just like how I don't make anyone watch as I lewdly count every new ISK credit as it comes in while I tickle my nipples.
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I've done RP online for a lot of years now, since the text-based browser days.
I've run communities and refereed a lot of shit.
I simply do not trust RPers enough to do ERP. You are my tribe, but you are a tribe of Monsters, and you'll stay at pole's reach.
((edit: I'm leaving my unfortunate pun because ::YEAH::))
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I don't know, it does provide for character growth in many ways if it's done properly. A chance encounter I had a while ago has turnet into a great source of maturation for Ria, including her becoming less of a bitch. That and some sense of mental comfort in her life.