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Title: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: Aldrith Shutaq on 10 Dec 2012, 17:29
Go here to tell the Live Events team where you stand!

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=179792 (https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=179792)
Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: Esna Pitoojee on 10 Dec 2012, 18:23
Had Morwen seen that thread yet?
Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: BloodBird on 10 Dec 2012, 18:30
Thank you for posting this, I'll help spread the word around to those I know.

Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: Akrasjel Lanate on 11 Dec 2012, 10:23
Yea some people are trolling with there loyalty or its just me
Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: BloodBird on 11 Dec 2012, 10:24
A few trolls are always to be expected. Long as most treat it somewhat seriously and respond as requested, we should be good.
Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: Jev North on 11 Dec 2012, 10:34
Does not have "ISK" or "It's complicated." options, apparently. Sad Jev.
Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: Morwen Lagann on 11 Dec 2012, 11:19
Had Morwen seen that thread yet?

It's a good thing I find this funny, or you'd probably find this shitcanned for trolling, Esna. :P

(To clarify: no less than 4 separate people asked me if I'd seen that thread yesterday, two of them within five minutes of me returning home after work.)
Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: Tiberious Thessalonia on 11 Dec 2012, 11:34
Hey Morwen..

Did you see that thre- *gets smacked with a flying Viola*
Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: Ghost Hunter on 11 Dec 2012, 11:35
Ermahgerd, Sernsherr's Nerrtion
Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: Tiberious Thessalonia on 11 Dec 2012, 11:36
Sernshers Nershern
Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: Alain Colcer on 11 Dec 2012, 11:45
riiiiibbit
Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: Saede Riordan on 11 Dec 2012, 12:56
CCP Falcon may just be the best thing that has happened to the RP community in years.
Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: Louella Dougans on 11 Dec 2012, 13:13
has the finger pointing started yet, with people using what people have said in that thread as evidence of things?

it seems kind of inevitable. Like, you can't not know something if it's stated in that thread.
Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: Morwen Lagann on 11 Dec 2012, 13:15
So far, I've not seen any surprises that I wouldn't have known about IC already on my characters.

But that potential issue is partly why I'm not posting (or, rather, why I wouldn't if I could, not being CEO), yes.
Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: Laerise [PIE] on 11 Dec 2012, 13:21
It's so much fun to be part of a simple "boring" empire loyal corp. You can tell people your factional alignment and nobody, not even SF, would think of quoting you to go "ha-haa! I knew it all along, you're a dirty amarr loyalist!"  :D
Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: Tiberious Thessalonia on 11 Dec 2012, 13:25
has the finger pointing started yet, with people using what people have said in that thread as evidence of things?

it seems kind of inevitable. Like, you can't not know something if it's stated in that thread.

the info is stated to be OOC in the OP.
Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: Nicoletta Mithra on 11 Dec 2012, 14:03
That hasn't stopped some people in the past, Tiberious.
Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: Morwen Lagann on 11 Dec 2012, 14:13
That hasn't stopped some people in the past, Tiberious.

Not just empty quoting. :|
Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: Lyn Farel on 11 Dec 2012, 14:14
And space nun Louella lost all faith in humanity /o\

This freaks me out.
Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: scagga on 11 Dec 2012, 18:28
Ach if only.
Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: Louella Dougans on 12 Dec 2012, 08:05
Eh, it's kind of inevitable that that thread will colour people's interactions with one another.

And/or generate more arguing about what is or what is not known IC.
Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: Halete on 12 Dec 2012, 08:24
Eh, it's kind of inevitable that that thread will colour people's interactions with one another.

And/or generate more arguing about what is or what is not known IC.

Whilst true, also not an incredibly useful way of thinking at all.

The thread to me basically says that CCP are keeping mindful of who corporations in-game declare they're loyal to when it comes to planning events.

This is a good thing.
Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: BloodBird on 12 Dec 2012, 08:49
Eh, it's kind of inevitable that that thread will colour people's interactions with one another.

And/or generate more arguing about what is or what is not known IC.

Whilst true, also not an incredibly useful way of thinking at all.

The thread to me basically says that CCP are keeping mindful of who corporations in-game declare they're loyal to when it comes to planning events.

This is a good thing.

This. The benefits far out-weight the chances of OOC-info breaches of trust - for those who want to do this there are plenty of incentives. This forum, blogs, journals, corp-history, etc. A post in a CCP-started tread on EVE-O hardly adds anything to this.
Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: Saede Riordan on 12 Dec 2012, 10:43
If you have a problem with your loyalty being publicly known, then you probably wouldn't be attending live events anyway, due to how high-profile they are, so I don't see the issue.
Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: Morwen Lagann on 12 Dec 2012, 11:36
Looking over the list again while I eat lunch, of all of the RP corps I recognize on the list, I don't see any whose loyalties were either a surprise or not something already verifiable IC with a little digging or looking around. There are a bunch of other corps I've never seen before, though, but that's not surprising. EVE's a big place. :P

Something needs to be done about the Intaki ones though - I didn't see a single person who actually declared loyalty to the Syndicate - they declared loyalty to the Assembly or the secessionist movement instead, which is entirely, completely different from the Syndicate.
Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: kalaratiri on 12 Dec 2012, 11:44
My personal favorite moment in the thread so far has been Mind Games declaring for the Serpentis... and then changing to the Angels.. and then asking for any info on live events to be sent to their main.

Translates pretty obviously into "Tell us where they are so we can come and shoot at everything that moves".
Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: lallara zhuul on 12 Dec 2012, 12:22
If the thread is threatening your immersion, don't read it.

Simple.
Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: Akrasjel Lanate on 12 Dec 2012, 13:00
My personal favorite moment in the thread so far has been Mind Games declaring for the Serpentis... and then changing to the Angels.. and then asking for any info on live events to be sent to their main.

Translates pretty obviously into "Tell us where they are so we can come and shoot at everything that moves".

Not a suprise really
Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: Vieve on 12 Dec 2012, 14:00
If you have a problem with your loyalty being publicly known, then you probably wouldn't be attending live events anyway, due to how high-profile they are, so I don't see the issue.
I think we need a "quote for truth" button on Backstage.
Though in my case it's more a problem with figuring out which loyalty is accurate for which character...
Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: Lyn Farel on 12 Dec 2012, 14:07
If you have a problem with your loyalty being publicly known, then you probably wouldn't be attending live events anyway, due to how high-profile they are, so I don't see the issue.

I beg to disagree, you can perfectly attend a live event being unaffiliated, but actually being a staunch loyalist of a sikrit faction.

It could have been my case since Lyn's true affiliation has been made more or less public only in the past year.
Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: Saede Riordan on 12 Dec 2012, 14:25
If you have a problem with your loyalty being publicly known, then you probably wouldn't be attending live events anyway, due to how high-profile they are, so I don't see the issue.

I beg to disagree, you can perfectly attend a live event being unaffiliated, but actually being a staunch loyalist of a sikrit faction.

It could have been my case since Lyn's true affiliation has been made more or less public only in the past year.

Let me rephrase, you wouldn't go to an event and publicly support the faction you are secretly working for.
Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: Lyn Farel on 12 Dec 2012, 14:36
Yes, but this thread is for CCP to know who to contact in every faction if needed. If you want to be acknowledged by Falcon with your sikrit faction....

Well, imagine that Aldrith is a Minmatar spy and want to make Falcon know it, but want at the same time not to reveal the THING...
Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: Aldrith Shutaq on 12 Dec 2012, 15:28
For the record, I am actually a Minmatar spy.
Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: Tiberious Thessalonia on 12 Dec 2012, 15:30
I've actually been working for SYNE this whole time.
Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: Ghost Hunter on 12 Dec 2012, 17:48
I've actually been working for SYNE this whole time.

(http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/2423/1276046110758.jpg)
Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: BloodBird on 12 Dec 2012, 18:57
Impersonating a Space Marine is heresy too, look at how small he is - he's supposed to be twice the Guardsman's size!

Actually the Guardsman is a heretic too, he's falling for it. :twisted:
Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: Laerise [PIE] on 13 Dec 2012, 02:56
Impersonating a Space Marine is heresy too, look at how small he is - he's supposed to be twice the Guardsman's size!

Actually the Guardsman is a heretic too, he's falling for it. :twisted:

Heresy, read and comprehend... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heresy)
Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: Uraniae on 14 Dec 2012, 03:30
I wonder if I can declare for the Sleepers...
Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: Laerise [PIE] on 14 Dec 2012, 08:22
I wonder if I can declare for the Sleepers...

As long as you don't expect a response :D Because if they'd respond that'd mean you've woken them up - and then they'd no longer be sleeper and then you'd be the one who single handedly wiped out a faction and made a new one  :cry:
Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: Tiberious Thessalonia on 14 Dec 2012, 08:34
I wonder if I can declare for the Sleepers...

Embrace your True Destiny, Uraniae.
Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: Louella Dougans on 15 Dec 2012, 06:02
The thing about unwritten rules and unspoken agreements is that if someone breaks them either deliberately or accidentally, then it generates a whole lot of drama and fractures between people, leading to groups not talking to one another, which is harmful in the long run, to everyone.

So, no, I do not regret bringing it up. Someone has to.

And the thread in question has been updated subsequently, to make it clear the actors won't call people out.

So the actors wont be going around saying "Hello Bloodfriend!" to any of the blood raider players, or similar kinds of things, and it's up to the players to reveal to others through their actions what's what, through doing things ingame&inspace, rather than foruming.

So, \o/
Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: Lithium Flower on 15 Dec 2012, 10:22
As far as I understand, sleepers now are just automated mechanical defenses.
To be a sleeper loyalist means... well... adopting infamous Bender's ideas 'to kill all humans'  :D
Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: Akrasjel Lanate on 17 Dec 2012, 07:56
They aded Intaki Secessionist to the list even if there no such faction officialy  :roll:
Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: Bong-cha Jones on 17 Dec 2012, 08:10
Meh.  The Intaki secession movement is definitely a thing in the lore, and the whole point of getting players to declare is to figure out how to sort them.  If a bunch of people are declaring loyalty to a thing the setting has existing as a faction people might feel loyal to, it really only makes sense for CCP to recognize that.  I mean, isn't the whole point of the sandbox that we can have an impact on things like this?
Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: Nicoletta Mithra on 17 Dec 2012, 09:34
If they added 'Intaki secessionists', then now it is an official faction, no? Even if it wasn't until now.
Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: Bataav on 17 Dec 2012, 09:44
Despite its basis in established lore we secessionists haven't really had anything to link ourselves to in game, and it's something Sakaane and I raised at Fanfest 2011.

In contrast to the other empires, with NPCs representing different facets of their government's stucture, there is nothing for the Intaki Assembly. No stations, no agents, no in game presence.

I can understand the logic behind CCP Falcon allocating those of us who declared for the Secessionist movement, even if its not an ideal fit, and hopefully that being questioned doesn't result in our declarations being wiped from the list entirely.

It'd be a bit disappointing for one of the more interesting aspects (IMO) of the Federation political landscape, that has already featured in the FW storyline of the Caldari sweeping through Placid to be ignored while Quafe get represented.
Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: Bong-cha Jones on 18 Dec 2012, 00:50
There's nothing for any of the Federal Assemblies, not just the Intaki one.  I think their role is largely regional; they'd be analogous to a constellation-wide Holder or a single-system megacorp subsidiary, depending on the Assembly in question.  Neither of those groupings are represented in game either.

Which isn't to say that they shouldn't be, but I'm not at all surprised that they aren't.
Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: orange on 18 Dec 2012, 00:58
About half the Caldari players were declaring for the State and our chosen political faction (and about half of those are in corps with names like Lai Dai and Wirykomi ;) )
Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: Mithfindel on 18 Dec 2012, 06:47
Good thing I wasn't drinking anything while reading the fiction dev blog comment thread.

https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/ISD%20Archetys%20Traum
Corporation: ISD AURORA

Edit: Might just be an old volunteer. Galen's also an AURORA member.
https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/ISD%20Galen

(And also a few odd corp assignments, ingame corp doesn't appear to be too meaningful.)
Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: Silas Vitalia on 18 Dec 2012, 10:09
Galen is good people.

Should be some good things coming up

Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: Graelyn on 18 Dec 2012, 10:16
Woah!

AURORA!
Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: Gottii on 18 Dec 2012, 10:22
Galen is good people.

Should be some good things coming up

Quoting for great justice.

Galen's an amazing dude. 
Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: Aldrith Shutaq on 18 Dec 2012, 10:36
Who is heee?

I came after the time of Aurora so I have no idea how this thingy works.
Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: Silas Vitalia on 18 Dec 2012, 10:44
Who is heee?

I came after the time of Aurora so I have no idea how this thingy works.

Galen is on Mercury [Fiction] team.  Mercury handles Evelopedia and PF
Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: Mithfindel on 18 Dec 2012, 11:10
Yeah, looked at a few ISD in odd ingame corps (Polaris Corporation, AURORA) and their sigs seem to indicate that they're in Mercury. Was just "rather surprised" to see a few of them (people I linked) openly carrying the ISD AURORA corp on the forums. As in, "oh, cool ISD replies, hey he's showing his corp--- wait, what?"
Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: Sakaane Eionell on 18 Dec 2012, 23:19
Meh.  The Intaki secession movement is definitely a thing in the lore, and the whole point of getting players to declare is to figure out how to sort them.  If a bunch of people are declaring loyalty to a thing the setting has existing as a faction people might feel loyal to, it really only makes sense for CCP to recognize that.  I mean, isn't the whole point of the sandbox that we can have an impact on things like this?
This.

And because we pointed it out, CCP came along and deleted all the secessionists (and other players who declared to "unofficial" factions) from the list.

Quote
‏@Sakaane
@ccp_eterne It smacks of elitism. If you guys weren't prepared to properly acknowledge everyone from the start, you shouldn't have asked.

@CCP_Eterne
@Sakaane We didn't intend it to acknowledge everyone, only to group people easily into the factions we made contacts for.
Source (https://twitter.com/CCP_Eterne/status/281051302128136193)

I'm pretty unhappy with how they're handling this. They ask the playerbase to declare their loyalty, and then when a bunch of people come out of the woodwork to declare loyalty to factions which "don't exist" in the game, they go, "Oh, well, we didn't mean you guys." CCP Eterne also told me, "This isn't to declare your RP" which is honestly some of the worst baloney I've heard in a while; if you have loyalty to an NPC faction in a video game, that is RP.

In any case, here's hoping they come through with a solution for those of us who aren't represented. You know, before I turn 40.
Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: Lithium Flower on 18 Dec 2012, 23:57
Why not just sign under Syndicate and tell that Syndicate helps Secessionist movement?  :roll:
Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: Bong-cha Jones on 19 Dec 2012, 00:31
As a rule, I think the IPI guys don't really like the Syndicate.

Sad to see they took down the secessionist option.  Seems like a real missed opportunity on their part.  On the other hand, their clarification sounds like they're looking less for 'who do you explicitly support?' and more for 'which large umbrella of notifications do you want to be included in?'
Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: Saede Riordan on 19 Dec 2012, 07:45
Why not just sign under Syndicate and tell that Syndicate helps Secessionist movement?  :roll:

This.

Not to like, urdoinitrong, but if I recall, the reason the intaki secessionist movement never gained more political ground was that everyone who wanted to leave, already went to Syndicate. I could understand the whole homeworld support thing, but is there anything wrong with supporting Syndicate besides 'they're pirates' ? There's a huge Intaki secessionist RP bloc, but there's seemingly no one allied with the Syndicate itself, which I think is a shame, because they seem really cool and I would totally RP with them if there was.
Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: Nicoletta Mithra on 19 Dec 2012, 11:15
There's really a big difference between being in support of an ordered secession or a band of criminals.
Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: Bataav on 19 Dec 2012, 13:23
In my response to CCP Eterne and CCP Falcon I said that it would be likely for Secession RPers to interact with the Syndicate contact, due to proximity, any plausible storyline that comes from them, and yes, it does appear to be the closest thing we're looking for, on paper.

But that's not the same as declaring our loyalty to them. Yes a lot of Intaki have left if unhappy with the Fed. Some went to the Syndicate. It also makes sense that there is a degree of Syndicate sponsorship for secessionist elements in Intaki if goals appear to align.

But by the same token some Intaki went to the State. It's plausible for there to be State sponsorship too as a method of reducing or frustrating Federal influence in parts of Placid. It wouldn't make sense to declare loyalty to the State though.
Title: Re: Declare Your Loyalty - Live Events Thread
Post by: Z.Sinraali on 03 Feb 2013, 07:09
Urge to resubscribe rising...

(Though the fact that I'm about to be back in a land of consistent intertube connectivity probably has more to do with that...)