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EVE-Online RP Discussion and Resources => EVE Guides, Mechanics & Gameplay => Topic started by: Saikoyu on 06 Dec 2012, 15:27
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So, still looking into getting back into EvE, however that's not happening at 15 bucks a month right now, so I am asking if anyone knows how many hours and hours doing what does it take to buy a PLEX every month?
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If you can get into incursion fleets, you can theoretically make enough ISK for a PLEX in a few evenings. I've not done any of these in a while due to :rl: and other stuff, though, so i can't be sure if the state of things is still like that.
Exploration you can do in a single evening if you get stupidly lucky. If you don't, it could take a week or even the entire month. Yay for dicerolls. :(
Not sure on FW or other activities though.
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Just out of curiosity, what are the current incursions channels if anyone knows ?
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The Ditanian Fleet = Armor
BTL Pub = Shield Vanguard sites with some Assault
The Valhalla Project = Shield HQ sites with some Assault
There are a few other channels for shiny fleets, and probably more than just TDF for armor.. but I dunno them. I mostly use TVP because it's a really chill community.
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BTL has always been totally silent/dead each time I checked since I came back...
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BTL has always been totally silent/dead each time I checked since I came back...
I guess the drama finally killed it. Good riddance, if you ask me. Then again, I guess I owe BTL for introducing me to TVP.
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Also like Morwen I've not been incursioning for a bit, but TVP was "the" shield incursion channel when I left.
The estimate I handed another friend who was looking to get back into the game was that at 3 hours per evening, they could expect to produce around 120m to 180m (discounting LPs). This is based on waiting roughly 1 hour to get into a fleet after you log on, followed by running 2-3 plexes an hour for the remaining 2 hours. Obviously, this rate is subject to shift - on some nights I managed to slip in after only 20 minutes of waiting; on others, it took me over an hour before I managed to get a spot in.
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I will try TVP then, thanks. I hope they do Vanguards too.
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I will try TVP then, thanks. I hope they do Vanguards too.
They do not.
TVP only does Headquarters and Assault sites, with a heavy preference towards HQs.
There are some other (Vanguard) communities that are linked to in the MOTD and occasionally recruit in there, but TVP is not a Vanguard community.
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If you have access to less-secure areas, I might suggest farming level 5 missions for LP.
I don't really do missions but I think it's something like 60,000 per mission, something a lot of my friends do quite a bit of.
You can also do quite well farming planetary interaction with little input. Instead of making finished products use entire planets to up-convert something on the supply chain a single level, and sell in bulk. You can do this a few jumps from Jita and make hundreds of millions.
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I made my ISKies for PLEXes by T2 production.
Inventing the BPCs and producing.
It needs some basic ISKies to get the whole thing running, but with like about an hour a day you can run the whole thing if you do not have any complications with the locals.
Also running the epic arcs every six months or so can keep you afloat....
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The issue I personnally have with T2 production is that you need a POS for some of the research jobs and that basically means that you have to regularily take care of it and keep it running. When you are too casual with unregular logging time at disposal it becomes hazardous.
But if you are dedicated I think it's one of the best leads.
If you have access to less-secure areas, I might suggest farming level 5 missions for LP.
I don't really do missions but I think it's something like 60,000 per mission, something a lot of my friends do quite a bit of.
You can also do quite well farming planetary interaction with little input. Instead of making finished products use entire planets to up-convert something on the supply chain a single level, and sell in bulk. You can do this a few jumps from Jita and make hundreds of millions.
If L5s were safe I would do that ofc, but farming is already painful enough not to be particularily eager to stress myself by the possibility of being probed out and ganked every minute and/or spamming the directionnal scan continuously while missioning... Ofc It might interest other people that do not care at all.
The PI idea sounds interesting. When I started (not long after Tyrannis) the price difference between PI tiers was not significant enough to make money out of it though. I assume it has changed since then ? I will have to make some calculations. Sounds promising.
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The issue I personnally have with T2 production is that you need a POS for some of the research jobs and that basically means that you have to regularily take care of it and keep it running. When you are too casual with unregular logging time at disposal it becomes hazardous.
But if you are dedicated I think it's one of the best leads.
If you have access to less-secure areas, I might suggest farming level 5 missions for LP.
I don't really do missions but I think it's something like 60,000 per mission, something a lot of my friends do quite a bit of.
You can also do quite well farming planetary interaction with little input. Instead of making finished products use entire planets to up-convert something on the supply chain a single level, and sell in bulk. You can do this a few jumps from Jita and make hundreds of millions.
If L5s were safe I would do that ofc, but farming is already painful enough not to be particularily eager to stress myself by the possibility of being probed out and ganked every minute and/or spamming the directionnal scan continuously while missioning... Ofc It might interest other people that do not care at all.
The PI idea sounds interesting. When I started (not long after Tyrannis) the price difference between PI tiers was not significant enough to make money out of it though. I assume it has changed since then ? I will have to make some calculations. Sounds promising.
Re: level 5's, it is only dangerous as a non-aligned solo pilot. If you are in with locals or part of a group doing that sort of thing safety is not really a concern.
Re: PI, I think the numbers only work if you are dealing in bulk, freighter sized loads (to make it worth the effort)
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My wonderful cute lil Ni-Kunni alt, Violca Kari, keeps me supplied with isk via tarot readings that she does for other players.
I also do get some isk for artwork (and yes, I am done with school this week, ALL the art I have been making people wait for will be done starting immediately!)
You can make isk in some interesting ways.
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If you are into shields, I recommend you to try ISN shield fleets (ingame channel ISN Secondary).
These guys will demand a lot (fit and skill-wise), but also they will offer one of best fleets and money-making rate.
Best of armor fleets are Scrubs., sometimes they are getting X-es from "The Ditanian Fleet", so if you can fly with MWD vindi/legion and don't afraid of only two logies... look for "mwd fleet" adverts in the channel ;)
Both these fleets could help you get 100+m in hour in isk only (without lp).
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What is "a lot" for the fit, exactly ? Officer ? Deadspace ?
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Deadspace invuln fields, faction lowslots. T2 guns.
Lyn, if you think that there are issues with elitism on this forum and in the RP community, ISN is not the place for you; it's far far worse in every way.
Are they efficient? Yeah, sure. Are they also elitist douchebags that make even the most egocentric RPers look like inferiority-complex-saddled wussies? Most of the time, in my experience, particularly the leadership.
Every time I've contemplated flying with them, I see them doing something that makes me change my mind.
TVP is a much more open and welcoming community, and while they'll encourage you to put faction modules on your ships if you can afford it, they won't pass you over when recruiting just because you don't have T2 guns or a full rack of navy/faction damage mods. I honestly think they will be a far better fit for you than ISN will.
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Uh... where did I ever say that I have issue with elitism on this forum and the RP community ? I am not sure what makes you say so...
I am a damn elitist and have always been, more than a lot of people. I may be wrong but the way you speak of elitism sounds quite negative. I do not have any particular issue with elitism and I do not see it as a bad thing.
As long as we keep it separated from intolerance, arrogance, and the likes.
Anyway, deadspace invuln seems a bit excessive but I am not that far from that kind of fit tbh. I was just considering all the options at hand. I am probably more inclined in favor of TVP in any case.
Have you already flown with ISN Lithium ?
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It wasn't meant necessarily as if you had stated such, Lyn - more as a "if you happen to feel this way" thing. Let's just say that of nearly all the people I've dealt with ingame (and not via forums) who've flown with ISN are a bunch of arrogant, elitist "our way or the highway" dickwads.
The ones who weren't? They don't fly with them anymore.
(To clarify, there are cases where "our way or the highway" is a valid attitude. When you're trying to at least have -fun- while making ISK, it's really not productive.)
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Ok thanks!
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I've been trying to make my accounts self sufficient. Personally I find that lowsec PI can make a good deal of isk. I run PI on two characters per account, push a few buttons once a week, collect and sell resources twice a month. I average about 400mil a month, per account, that way. It's not enough to pay for my PLEX addiction, but it helps a lot.
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Also, Lyn, if you have questions that TVP people don't have time to answer (or can't), there are a few people in the RP community who fly with them besides myself - Inara, Esna and Evi in particular.
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Unless incursions have changed since I left I do not think I have, but I will keep it in mind.
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Also, Lyn, if you have questions that TVP people don't have time to answer (or can't), there are a few people in the RP community who fly with them besides myself - Inara, Esna and Evi in particular.
I've considered getting into Incursions myself (as I'm slowly starting to get more active and return to EVE proper) and had a couple questions I'm hoping you can answer.
1. What is the least Elitist, favors armor tanking, allows/are okay with T2 fittings group to fly with?
2. What is that groups channel name, if they have one, and is there any idea how often they do incursions?
3. Any particular type of incursions they run, or do they do all types? If so why not do all types?
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Uh... where did I ever say that I have issue with elitism on this forum and the RP community ? I am not sure what makes you say so...
I am a damn elitist and have always been, more than a lot of people. I may be wrong but the way you speak of elitism sounds quite negative. I do not have any particular issue with elitism and I do not see it as a bad thing.
As long as we keep it separated from intolerance, arrogance, and the likes.
Anyway, deadspace invuln seems a bit excessive but I am not that far from that kind of fit tbh. I was just considering all the options at hand. I am probably more inclined in favor of TVP in any case.
Have you already flown with ISN Lithium ?
Yup, I fly with them quite often (usually when i need to buy expensive EVE toy or to repair my SS). I have been running incursions since they are only appeared, but I consider myself quite casual incursion runner. And I tried almost every incursion community. I have flown with both TVP and ISN, and I prefer to stay away from TVP to save my time for something else. Well, it is only my opinion, so if you want to choose, don't listen to me or someone else and try both of them yourself.
As for deadspace invuls and officer fits... well, if you gonna get into ISN primary, then maybe, but as for me, I prefer to waste my iskies for more pvp-related stuff. To fly with ISN you need just a pirate battleship (I prefer nightmare, they also love machariels a lot) with t2 guns, t2 tank, and, well, faction damage mods - because your damage is essential. (but they are not really that much expensive) (also ISN accept faction guns, but these fits are making me mad!)
As for 'elitist approach', in incursions you are part of the fleet. It is not mission running community, where your DPS affects only how fast you get money, it affects everyone else in the fleet. This means if you bring overtanked ship with low dps, or t1/meta/faction guns instead of t2, not only your income will suffer, but everyone else in the fleet. I know many people want to get into incursions ASAP and start making money 'like crazy', but they are thinking only about themselves and not about their fleet mates who will suffer because of them.
And yea, Im very fit nazi :twisted:
If you will need advice in fitting/skills, feel free to convo.
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TVP is a much more open and welcoming community, and while they'll encourage you to put faction modules on your ships if you can afford it, they won't pass you over when recruiting just because you don't have T2 guns or a full rack of navy/faction damage mods. I honestly think they will be a far better fit for you than ISN will.
As for me, I consider TVP as a training shield community. Well, AFAIK they started as one, and remained one for me. It is really much easier to start in TVP. They are quite far from being best money making fleets (and can even invite missile boats... yuck!), but they can show what does incursion running mean.
Unfortunately, I have a strong bias against flying with TVP ever again, because this was the only community that didnt reinvite me back into fleet after disconnect during mom fight. Only by miracle my ship survived :/ Probably it's only FC's fault, but still it left very heavy sediment on me, that still prevents me from x-ing in their channel.
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I'm an incursion noob and have been lurking in TVP for a few days. I think from what I've seen that it's the community for me at least. I've heard there is an armor tanked community too, but again... I'm a noob and personally prefer shield tanks.
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Well, I preffer Armor. Is there an armor version of TVP anywhere?
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I suppose Ditanian is still up and running for armor.
Uh... where did I ever say that I have issue with elitism on this forum and the RP community ? I am not sure what makes you say so...
I am a damn elitist and have always been, more than a lot of people. I may be wrong but the way you speak of elitism sounds quite negative. I do not have any particular issue with elitism and I do not see it as a bad thing.
As long as we keep it separated from intolerance, arrogance, and the likes.
Anyway, deadspace invuln seems a bit excessive but I am not that far from that kind of fit tbh. I was just considering all the options at hand. I am probably more inclined in favor of TVP in any case.
Have you already flown with ISN Lithium ?
Yup, I fly with them quite often (usually when i need to buy expensive EVE toy or to repair my SS). I have been running incursions since they are only appeared, but I consider myself quite casual incursion runner. And I tried almost every incursion community. I have flown with both TVP and ISN, and I prefer to stay away from TVP to save my time for something else. Well, it is only my opinion, so if you want to choose, don't listen to me or someone else and try both of them yourself.
As for deadspace invuls and officer fits... well, if you gonna get into ISN primary, then maybe, but as for me, I prefer to waste my iskies for more pvp-related stuff. To fly with ISN you need just a pirate battleship (I prefer nightmare, they also love machariels a lot) with t2 guns, t2 tank, and, well, faction damage mods - because your damage is essential. (but they are not really that much expensive) (also ISN accept faction guns, but these fits are making me mad!)
As for 'elitist approach', in incursions you are part of the fleet. It is not mission running community, where your DPS affects only how fast you get money, it affects everyone else in the fleet. This means if you bring overtanked ship with low dps, or t1/meta/faction guns instead of t2, not only your income will suffer, but everyone else in the fleet. I know many people want to get into incursions ASAP and start making money 'like crazy', but they are thinking only about themselves and not about their fleet mates who will suffer because of them.
And yea, Im very fit nazi :twisted:
If you will need advice in fitting/skills, feel free to convo.
I have a vindi with 2 different T2/faction damage mods fits (one for VGs and one for the rest), so I guess it should do it then.
No need for advice in fits or skills, I am already experienced in incursions, but thanks for the offer.
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Yeah, "The Ditanian Fleet" is still around for armor, though I would be lying if I didn't say they were... lacking in activity most days it seems.
BTL has an armor division too but I don't remember if it's "BTL Armor" or "BTL Armour" :P
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Well, maybe I'll give PI a try again, when I get back into the game. And get a freighter. But yeah, three hours straight, yeah, that's not going to happen for a few years. Maybe I'll try using my Khanid alt to post bounties on people for others. That sounds fun.
I tried full T2 production once, maybe T2 blueprints would be less stressful. I can't remember if I still have my POS someplace.
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Yeah, "The Ditanian Fleet" is still around for armor, though I would be lying if I didn't say they were... lacking in activity most days it seems.
BTL has an armor division too but I don't remember if it's "BTL Armor" or "BTL Armour" :P
It is BTL Armor, and I don't remember if I ever get a fleet from there. As for TDF, indeed, after the incursion rebalancing number of armor fleets significantly went down. Majority of fits, that I see there, make me want to cry :/
There's also Born-Ara channel, unfortunately I don't know their channel full name, but they often take x-es from TDF. Unfortunately, they run 'slowboating' three-logi suboptimal fleets.
And there's "Scrubs." channel, that makes best armor fleets, that can compete with ISN. Unfortunately, no public access (like ISN primary), invitation only. But still they grab x-es from TDF, just look for 'MWD-only' fleets ;)