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EVE-Online RP Discussion and Resources => Player Driven Content => Topic started by: Khloe on 14 Aug 2012, 17:49
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So having read the various discussions about the summit and slavery, I started to wonder if there was any safe refuge for characters that align with Amarr culture. It would mirror the summit in that it would be an audio (possibly visual comms) channel where Khanid, Ammatar, and Amarr can interact without interjection from those intolerant to their way of life. The goal of the channel would be to help new RPers to the world of Amarr and build a community. Moderation would ensure people adhere to the rules and outsiders don't disrupt the channel with heretical counter-cultural nonsense.
So my question for you, fellow Internet spaceship gurus, is twofold : does this already exist, and would it (still) be a welcome to the community if I pushed ahead with this project?
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a) AFAIK no such channel exists.
b) Yeah, sounds like a good idea. I think a 'comms channel' of this sort that isn't just the Summit and has some focus would be a welcome addition.
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Maybe an Amarrian equivalent of the Caldari's Heiian College?
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I think I've heard rumors of such a place... and that it is long dead from inactivity, but perhaps can be revived/replaced if there's renewed interest.
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I know of one such place and have heard rumors of another; unfortunately, both channels' owners appear to be absent and not returning.
Time to start a new one, I would say.
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A difficult road ahead but best of luck. Smaller pool of Amarr RPers means you might consider opening the doors to those 'seeking to know about the culture' or something similar. A quick boot/ban to any nonsense of course, but this could be a lovely channel that would appeal more to spiritual and theological debates, and less gossip
:)
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I have full intentions to create a channel similar to this if no one else intends to. I will proceed with making it unless someone else decides to do so.
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Do so! There's "Gallente Lounge" which is the Fed equivalent of the above.
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Thanks for the replies.
Art, you seem pretty gung-ho about this idea. Did you want to go ahead with this?
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Red would IMMENSELY enjoy such a channel, at least for the duration of her sabbatical...
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A good idea. Whoever want to start it, please send me a message, I might have some ideas.
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Well, to be a voice of realism, dont expect a cultural rennaisance. RP Channels other than the summit tend to be silent boneyards, though, I've noticed a little more activity recently which is welcome. Come to think of it, theres not better time to try :P
Anywho, if seeking to avoid the sort of treatment Amarr (the traditional ones) get in Summit, and detering people seeking to start trouble and nothing else, consider stuff like running the channel in default moderated mode and authorising people on a case by case basis.
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I'll make the channel this afternoon when I get home from work. As soon as I have the channel made, I'll put the name here so anyone interested can join.
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To play the devil's advocate, if people start to see Amarrians beginning to withdraw in their own corner/channel like a clique, it may actually result in the opposite of what you are trying to achieve.
But it is merely a risk, not a certainty. Better to try.
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We're not "withdrawing" Lyn.
We're basically talking about just creating a channel where we can RP among ourselves and anyone willing to talk about Amarr culture and religion. We're not talking about leaving other RP channels and no longer RPing with people.
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As a suggestion, it might be fun to make it a VR environment or a real location with a VR functionality, kinda like Ashar's sisterhood garden. A video comms channel like the summit limits you to simple discussion, doesn't leave open the possibility of, for example, serving traditional meals, playing instuments, dancing, etc.
Thoughts?
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Pretty much what I had in mind for the same reasons. I'd prefer a VR environment over an actual place simply because it promotes more spontaneous RP, at least in my opinion. I will, however, go with whatever people would prefer, I'll have fun writing up the description and environment either way.
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Reclaim the Amarr channel.
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A channel like this could be a good thing. I think there are a fair number of Amarr RPers around, they're just spread out. I have to admit that Lallara's idea of using the in game channel has some appeal. We wouldn't have 'one of us' as moderator but it seems to me that the purpose of the channel is to provide what we're looking for.
edit: nevermind, that channel is a mess.
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Reclaim the Amarr channel.
I can tell you from our own experiences with the Sansha's Nation channel this is a bad idea.
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We're not "withdrawing" Lyn.
We're basically talking about just creating a channel where we can RP among ourselves and anyone willing to talk about Amarr culture and religion. We're not talking about leaving other RP channels and no longer RPing with people.
Well yes, I never said the contrary. Amarr needs its own Heian College (just call it the Edo college, derp derp), since the basillica seems to have passed out.
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Reclaim the Amarr channel.
I can tell you from our own experiences with the Sansha's Nation channel this is a bad idea.
Yeah, the Amarr channel could be fun, but unless there are mods on top of things, I can see it getting trolled to fuck kinda like the Summit has recently by fweddit and then RvB. Part of the hope is to avoid the trolling/harassment that follows Amarr RPers, so having the ability to punt trolls out will probably be important.
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Rhia would definitely join a channel like this. I'm looking to get her more involved in the Amarr scene.
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8)
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If you want, Ill create a Minmatar alt and serve beverages or something...
In all seriousness, good luck with this. Please let us non-Amarr know how it goes!
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there's one called "interpretarium", i think one of the ctcs is the op for it
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Alright, so I've created the channel. It is called "Imperial Congregation" and the following is its MOTD:
"Surround yourself with the faithful. Stand together, for there is no strength like it under the heavens."
-Book of Missions 71:21
A meeting place for the congregation of the faithful, the loyal and the non-hostile. This virtual space is an enclosed dome constructed to appear as an artifical courtyard. Circular by design, the floor is the smooth gold metallic architecture of the Amarr Empire, tables line the circumference of the circle, each capable of sitting up to six persons.
The roof of the dome is all but invisible, hidden behind an artificially created atmospheric Athran sunset of soft oranges, sharp reds and brilliant yellows. The Holy Symbol of the Amarr is engraved in the middle of the circular courtyard covering the greater area of the interior of the circle.
((This is an IC channel, moderators reserve the right to remove anyone that is continually out-of-character. Those in direct opposition to the Empire and the Amarr are expected to remain civil or they will be removed.))
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This sounds cool and I hope it succeeds!
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In all honesty I think the channel should be Amarr character-only, otherwise it runs the risk of losing its flavor and becoming a more civil, somewhat Amarr-centric Summit rather than a Summit that is Amarr through and through. Another advantage is that we can argue and bicker in private while we can start agreeing on united fronts we can present to the other races in our RP.
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Making it Amarr-character only means you are unable to do any outreach via the channel. If the intent is to educate others (those not playing Amarr characters) on the Amarr perspective, then you need to allow others to join the channel and ask questions.
This does not mean freedom of speech.
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Both approaches are valuable. You can't do both together.
I'd suggest starting with it closed and bedding it in (and working out how you're going to handle some of those internal differences) before maybe opening it up to sympathetic others.
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Well, I say we discuss which direction we want to go with it. I may be the "owner" of the channel but it's a Backstage project, I'll go with whatever we all want to do as a group.
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Not that it's for me to say much, but Mata's approach seems sound: invite folks from this thread and others they might recommend, keep it quiet for a bit, and see what the people actually using it think after a bit. :)
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This is definitely not the vision I had for such a channel. Specifically, making the channel private and virtual environment are my main areas of contention, but its your baby now, so best of luck with it.
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Making it Amarr-character only means you are unable to do any outreach via the channel. If the intent is to educate others (those not playing Amarr characters) on the Amarr perspective, then you need to allow others to join the channel and ask questions.
This does not mean freedom of speech.
I disagree with this. The emphasis should be on playing Amarr characters, not trying to show others what it is to be Amarrian.
Create an exclusive club. Make being Amarrian mean something. Talk to others in the Summitt. Talk about others as Amarrians in the whatever-this-channel will be called.
All kinds of excited for Amarrian players if this place is exclusive to Amarrians. Less so if anyone else is allowed it.
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The way I see it, most Amarrians would not even go to that channel if there would be other ethnicities involved.
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The way I see it, most Amarrians would not even go to that channel if there would be other ethnicities involved.
I think the reason some of us (who aren't even Amarrians) are so "Yeah, make a real Amarrian channel for yourselves" is that we've seen channels which were supposedly for "our" groups end up being co-opted for talking to outsiders, making them unused and unusable by core members of those groups.
I'd love to see more special interest groups sharing easy, low-key, vanilla comms channels where they can just talk about their stuff.
You do not need to be inclusive. If your primary goal is fostering a particular culture, inclusiveness can work against it; whether through distraction, dilution, or dissuading some of your core audience from engaging.
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This is definitely not the vision I had for such a channel. Specifically, making the channel private and virtual environment are my main areas of contention, but its your baby now, so best of luck with it.
There isn't really a limit to the number of channels we can have. This evolved in a different direction than intended, so... One more tab will hardly crash the client (I hope). I'd be happy to put up another channel for more open discussion if that's something people would enjoy as well. My only concern would be if the two channels prevented each other from reaching critical mass and they both died. That would be :(
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I did say this is all open for discussion. It's certainly not impossible for me to remove the virtual environment and we haven't decided on a private or public policy yet.
It seems we have a stronger leaning toward private.
How about the VR setting, for or against?
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I think a hybrid is better - those who're just station-spinning can drop by in person, and those who're out flying and don't want to risk getting bitched at by the "Rispikt mah RP puritay" police can still attend by using VR.
Morwen would probably get some use out of a channel like this given her living situation (with a minor Holder in the Kingdom), but I'm having an interesting time trying to come up with a reason beyond that for her to be in there. That and the fact that discussions about Amarrian culture on the Summit tend to get thrown off the "someone mentioned slavery~~~" cliff shortly after they begin even when the subject isn't slavery. :|
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My personal preference would be for a fairly exclusive (followers of amarrian faith, ie: converts and ammatar allowed) non-VR comms.
There are plenty of venues for discussions with outsiders ranging from IGS+Summit to player owned locations. There aren't many places for IC Amarr Faction discussion.
Regarding non-VR: I'd personally rather a venue that lets anyone freely speak up or sit out of the discussion without having to commit to being a part. Personally I can't commit to a RP scene while actually playing spaceships. Being able to just skim the conversation and chime in would be more convenient than '/me logs into amarrsummit' and having to be present. I've also found some SoDB issues with seeing a conversation in a rp location that i'd like to be a part of, but my character would always have to happen to be at the right place at the right time for that to happen.
all of that said, our characters do neurally connect with a spaceship and it is a scifi setting. who's to say holopresence isn't a standard form of communication as voice/text are today.
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My beef with virtual reality environments reflects on my regular beef with bar RP in general. Spatial awareness adds to the general confusion of 'who is located where?' issues, tiny cliques of people huddled together ignoring everyone else, new people teleporting about with enhanced-hearing techniques, and pilots in space multi-tasking piloting a starship and coordinating a virtual body. The cleanliness of a comms channel means people come in and verbally interact without having to worry about that kind of stuff.
As for exclusivity, I think anyone should be able to join the channel and those who participate should behave respectfully in regard to the values of Amarrian culture. It's not meant to be a 'behind closed doors' environment where the Amarr let their hair down and have orgies, but they should be able to voice their ideas without being berated by heretics and non-believers. It should also be a place to convert those who are interested, and I think making the channel invite-only kinda destroys any chance of that.
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But if you don't make it invite-only, how will we be able to spread rumors about it being a Karsothian orgy?
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So what people are saying we need two channels.
One that is open to all intrested, that willing to follow Amarrian code of conduct.
Second where we can get into the nitty gritty of interfactional stuff without heathens and heretics constantly disrupting things?
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Well, intrafactional, but that's how I read it.
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The biggest problem for me with any 'Amarrian' interaction has been the capsuleer slaves and the converts.
Their... over pleasing fanaticism is disruptive at best.
But I am not playing the game, do what you will.
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The biggest problem for me with any 'Amarrian' interaction has been the capsuleer slaves and the converts.
On this, we are in full agreement.
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I think it should be like the Summit, as in no environment at all, just a FTL comms router that links people's feeds together. One of the lovely things about the Summit is that I don't have to emote actions every post and can just get straight to talking.
And I agree with Gottii and Mata. If we're going to have an Amarrian channel I don't want to have to act polite and pander to outsiders, I want Aldy to be able to be his true Amarrian self in full glory. It's supposed to be a place where we can get away from the people whining about slavery and human rights and whatnot, not a place to prove them wrong!
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Well, it seems the overlying consensus is to remove the VR (make it an FTL channel) and make it private.
I should create a vote.
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I'm as well against VR as privation of this channel, for a couple of reasons I'm too lazy to sum up.
Also, who says that there are no internal squabbles about when slavery is justified and when not or whether slaves have rights or not?
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I don't think it should be private as in 'invite only' but 'Faithful only.'
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I think this is a good idea. I'm not sure Makkal would hang out someplace that's explicitly 'Imperial' in nature though, but I get the impression only a few characters are Kingdom separatists.
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I think this is a good idea. I'm not sure Makkal would hang out someplace that's explicitly 'Imperial' in nature though, but I get the impression only a few characters are Kingdom separatists.
Yeep, they are just few Kingdom separatists/Khanid Determinists (http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Khanid_Determinists) :P; but Im always happy to see one :lol:.
From your khanid royalist (http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Khanid_Royalists) Publius.^^ P.S. I also think, that I will try to make a list of activ and former kingdom charackters. We are few, but always happy to see another on. And when Im back in eve...I will add you to my friend list.... (you have to keep track of use, we are like precious diamonds :P).
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Alright, so I'll be changing the MOTD today to reflect that it's an FTL channel instead of a VR environment because I believe it will encourage more interaction. I'm going to keep it private in the sense that only the faithful (by default or by conversion) are permitted and the mods deserve the right to ban anyone else.
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Khanid are still close Imperial allies and share Amarr culture. There is absolutely no reason why they would not want to be in a general Amarr culture channel.
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Hmn. Why would one want to have those Khanids that want to severe that close bonds, though? :P
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There's still a common culture there. This is supposed to be a culture channel, not expressly a political one.
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I'm with Aldrith on this one. There are a ton of Amarrian factions and this is a good style of venue for them to have internal dialogue. The channel is still forming but the other night we had a nice discussion between an Ardishapur family supporter and Kor-Azor. The differences in approach, and stylistic contrasts provided a nice contrast without the two characters needing to lockstep in order to fend off outsiders and the damned slavery issue...
It was good RP and a style I'd like to see more of.
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So.. the Ammatar?
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So.. the Ammatar?
Stop tempting people damnit.
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It's what we do. Granted, usually it's about drugs, but..
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Yes.
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The channel exists, by the way. It's called "Imperial Congregation" and needs some lovin'.
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Soooo, how is this channel going by the way? I'm not in-game (I think) so I can't check up on it myself.
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If you want to find out, get in-game and say hello? :3
It's kind'a quite, but what little there is of a population is quite nice (I think).
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I've been yoinking every Amarr RPer I notice, but we're not quite a the 'critical mass' yet - the channel isn't self-sustaining activity-wise, as people still sometimes drop out for lack of activity.
As an aside, it should be clear that the channel is not just for hardcore imperialists - Khanid, Ammatar, and any other loyal followers of the faith are welcome. Criminals masquerading as any of the above are not.
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Hurr! I think you might have to invite me again.
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Esna, when I left and dropped the characters - did it give you channel ownership and moderation rights?
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Beforre you left, you gave Karmilla and I mod rights.
...which, I should say, I very much appreciated - both as a statement of trust and as a step towards helping the channel grow. <3
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Beforre you left, you gave Karmilla and I mod rights.
...which, I should say, I very much appreciated - both as a statement of trust and as a step towards helping the channel grow. <3
Oh good. I remembered giving you mod rights but I wasn't sure what would happen to the channel after I dropped the character. Glad to see it's working out - and of course I trust you.
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AVA CAN COME CAN I HUH HUH CAN I?
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AVA CAN COME CAN I HUH HUH CAN I?
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ACQlEOLcFPk/Ty2FiaT9tHI/AAAAAAAAAC8/UGc6ORC7mFM/s45/Fluttershy%2525252Bv03.png): Depending on how much Ava wants to come I'm sure we can find her a great loving and caring holder who'll take her in as a slave. Then we can have a tea party and talk about how much we love being god's servants. :)