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EVE-Online RP Discussion and Resources => The Summit (IG Channel Discussion) => Topic started by: Tiberious Thessalonia on 13 Jun 2012, 08:36
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I think its a good idea to have a thread where we can post what we personally consider to be helpful suggestions concerning the Summit and how to deal with it, the people in it, and its moderation.
None of these are rules! Half of these are in jest!
This one isn't.
1) if you block a moderator, and that moderator gives you a warning, you will not get the warning. This will likely result in your being kicked from the channel because you won't know to stop the offending behavior! Oh, go ahead and ignore us as players and characters, but its probably not a great idea to hit the block button entirely.
If the problem between you and the moderator is serious enough to require you to block them, it's probably a better idea to forward the other moderators examples of the offending behavior. This will not guarantee that anything will be done, of course, but we'll at least take a look at it and see which of the following three categories it fits into.
A) Things that we can talk to the other moderator about, if the problem is extant but non-serious
B) Things that we can forward to Graelyn if the problem is extant and serious
C) Funny and we can laugh at it
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I suppose I should note (publicly) that this post was probably made in response to my 24-hour removal of Aracturus from the Summit last night after an IC display that caused someone to leave the channel in a state of nausea, to which two moderators' warnings were either argued with (Esna's) or outright ignored (mine).
Here's the deal in general with this sort of thing, from my perspective:
- If you're gonna be a dick/troll to people, fine. That's your right, within reason and channel rules. But don't expect people to be sympathetic to you if/when someone responds in kind. (That isn't to say action won't be taken, but if it is it won't be out of any desire to protect your sensibilities or bruised ego.)
- If you want to block someone who's really bothering you, go right ahead. That's also your right. But blocking a moderator is generally a pretty stupid idea regardless and you should feel stupid if you do it and get kicked or muted as a side effect. It's equally bad form for moderators to block you as well (for what should be obvious reasons), so this goes both ways.
- If you get a warning from a moderator, the appropriate response is some form of polite acknowledgement of the warning, and if necessary, a request to discuss it in private, or an evemail. Not to ignore it or talk back/argue about it in public. We prefer not to get involved if possible, so if a moderator felt the need to step in and take action, chances are your behavior was well past the line of acceptable.
- It doesn't matter whether the moderator who warned you is someone you blocked or not. A moderator warned you. If you missed the warning because you had them blocked, that's your own damn fault and no-one else's, and any complaints about it will be filed immediately and permanently under "C" from Tib's list above.
We're not out to get you or make your life miserable. Honest. But we're going to act in what we perceive to be the best interests of the channel, and sometimes that requires kicking people in the ass a few times.
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Oh now I get it. Morwen's avatar on Backstage has a cello because she plays the cello IC. I always wondered what that was about.
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I don't have a lot of suggestions about how to deal with the moderation because I've only ever noticed it happen once or twice. However, I would say that things I personally like to see in The Summit include:
- Discussion of major wars or political maneuverings
- Really Big Philosophical Chat (e.g. the value of freedom, etc.)
- High-level scientific discussion, although this probably isn't the place for deep nitty gritty I think
Things that I find boring in The Summit:
- Endless "hi how are you" "fine how about yourself?" "oh I'm good, are you sure you're okay?" ad nauseum
- Daily trivia, like emoting munching on snacks
What about you?
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I thoroughly second everything in Casiella's post.
Would like to add discussions on religion, spirituality and theology in general to the 'like to see' list. Not merely because my character has an easier time jumping into those convos, but I also really like watching them play out from afar so long as the exchange is reasonably intelligent. Fictionalized faith is fertile ground for great roleplay.
However, it's not always everyone's favorite topic, and I realize that heavy faith-based conversations can make some feel just as uncomfortable as they would in real life. If a user, or users, feel particularly distressed by this, the correct thing to do may be to politely change the topic or continue the religious discourse in private.
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I don't think people should feel distressed about IC religious discussions, given the heavy role religion plays in the lore. The other night, we had a simply fascinating discussion about atheism vs Minmatar shamanism, and today the Summit had a discussion on application of scientific rigor and experimental procedure to certain religious topics ("divine visions").
More of This Sort Of Thing.
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I'm personally alright with a little bit of relaxed banter from time-to-time, primarily because it helps keep things sane for people who can't always dive head first into a giant debate about such and such topic. It's also somewhat unrealistic to expect that capsuleers don't engage in leisure activities and conversation from time-to-time, they live forever.
However, I agree that the debates, discussions and even the arguments are what make the place fun and in-depth. I enjoy watching as much as getting involved (I try to pick my battles carefully with what I think my character would get involved in).
My primary list of "do nots" would be "in your face" and repetitive public displays of affection. People discourage this stuff in real life, why would it be believed that The Summit (public for all intents and purposes) would be any different? We don't need to see two (or more) people giving everyone a free voyeur to their bedroom activities and couch cuddles. It's fine to be brief and professional, a kiss on the cheek, a hug, etcetera but there's really no need for anything beyond that. (This is not discouraging flirting! This is directly the whole "we're on the same camera feed and giving you a free show" type of RP).
I'm pretty much opposed to most aggressively lewd conduct as I find that it's mostly just attention grabbing or intentionally being used to frustrate.
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My primary list of "do nots" would be "in your face" and repetitive public displays of affection. People discourage this stuff in real life, why would it be believed that The Summit (public for all intents and purposes) would be any different? We don't need to see two (or more) people giving everyone a free voyeur to their bedroom activities and couch cuddles. It's fine to be brief and professional, a kiss on the cheek, a hug, etcetera but there's really no need for anything beyond that. (This is not discouraging flirting! This is directly the whole "we're on the same camera feed and giving you a free show" type of RP).
I'm pretty much opposed to most aggressively lewd conduct as I find that it's mostly just attention grabbing or intentionally being used to frustrate.
In this sort of case, it's preferred that you first ask the offending person(s) to knock it off or tone it down (whether you do so in the Summit or privately is up to you). If it persists, contact a moderator (or several) with logs and/or timestamps* and we'll try and deal with it when we have some spare time.
My personal preference with this particular issue is to tolerate light/low-moderate amounts of non-disruptive PDA, and start taking action when it's being done for the sake of attention-whoring or derailing/distracting from active discussion.
* For mods who are online but may be AFK (like me during the work week), timestamps are generally good enough because we can just check the logs, and it's less time-consuming for you to type out a chunk of time to be looked at rather than copy-paste and reformat half of an encyclopedia.
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Best to include timestamps AND logs tbh. I don't stay AFK while I am at work, for example.
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Agreed, though it's kind of OOC (I don't think most Gallente care about PDAs). Flirtation with other people in the Summit: good. Broadcasting a makeout session: bad.
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One question that I've had a couple of times is, after someone was warned or muted for excessive or ridiculous hostility, is "...well, I was arguing with someone. That's one of the things the Summit is for, right?"
Answer: Sort of.
In general, I will remain far more lenient of an arguement if you are discussing a character's actions rather than the character him/herself; even if you are insulting another character, there is a distinct line between insults specifically related to a point of friction between your characters (e.g., "You mean ol' nasty slaver!") and general insults not related to an issue so much as that your characters just dislike each other.
Keep in mind, topic-related insults are NOT a free pass to go nuts on each other; they're just less likely to earn you an immediate frowny-face from a moderator.
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Things that I find boring in The Summit:
Daily trivia, like emoting munching on snacks
What about you?
I dont often follow the "big" logic, philosophy, and rhetoric debates in Summit, simply because I dont understand them. So, sometimes, I have Ava munch on snacks.
Sorry it bothers you.
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Things that I find boring in The Summit:
Daily trivia, like emoting munching on snacks
What about you?
I dont often follow the "big" logic, philosophy, and rhetoric debates in Summit, simply because I dont understand them. So, sometimes, I have Ava munch on snacks.
Sorry it bothers you.
I guess I would say fair enough, since you probably find a lot of rhetoric debates boring too. To each his own tastes. Though of course you never complained about the latter, which gives you a point.
This is why I said countless times that it would be a better idea to dedicate other channels to that kind of rhetoric/philosophy debates considering that currently the most common exchanges are a majority of "snacks and hows you" discussions on the Summit. Either we choose to tell to these players to basically fuck off because we deciced to change the RP focus of the channel, or either we stop asking them to change their way of RPing and try to live with it. And if we can not, then lets bring the NEA back alive.
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I don't understand why it can't be some of both. Because some people don't like the other kind?
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Well, BarP has been sort of unpopular lately, and so all those capsuleer bars might go bankrupt if everyone just scores their snacks and drinks on the Summit..?
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Narrowing focus and discouraging things is not The Way.
You can do multiple things at the same time.
Inquisitions and Starcakes for Everyone!
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I'm not hating on anyone or trying to establish any kind of unofficial rules for all the reasons you can imagine and then some. Just pointing out things that help people find interesting interaction, because I see lots of "/me connects" that then get no reaction.
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I'm not hating on anyone or trying to establish any kind of unofficial rules for all the reasons you can imagine and then some. Just pointing out things that help people find interesting interaction, because I see lots of "/me connects" that then get no reaction.
Guilty. I find the summit boring for the exact same reasons you stated above. However, if people started talking about something else more fitting to what I am looking for, it would be actually them that would find themselves in my boring situation.
Of course, you sometimes have people that almost insert themselves in a debate on purpose when you are actually discussing about something interesting, and then try to derail the subject of the conversation because they find it boring. That is the issues to deal with on a daily basis with general channels/communities of RPers that do not share the same interests and values. I am not a big fan of this, but well.
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It looks like we've had a major influx of trolls lately. Just warning people that we're probably going to be quick to use the ban hammer as they pop up.