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EVE-Online RP Discussion and Resources => Player Driven Content => Topic started by: Lyn Farel on 06 Mar 2012, 16:46
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Hello,
I am attempting to create a visual political roster for New Eden and it happens that I may lack of some answers for several factions for which I haven't really bothered to enquire further until now. By political roster, I mean like you can separate Amarr conservatives, Amarr Traditonnalists, Amarr Orthodox, Amarr Liberals, Caldari Practicals, Caldari Liberals, Caldari Patriots, etc. I am having difficulties especially for these factions :
- Guristas Pirates
- Serpentis Corporation
- Mordu's Legion
- EoM (will ask to Boma about this I remember him having different sides for it)
- Sani Sabik
- The Syndicate
- Angel Cartel
- SOE (not sure if there are any) ?
Feel free to add anything you would like to add (especially for the Republic, im curious to see what people have in mind for them even if I already have my thoughts on it). I will try to post the thing later when it will be more exhaustive.
Thanks
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Mordu's Legion had ties to Home Guard and the Caldari Navy before the Dust book retconned them. They were listed as partners with Home Guard and the Kamokor system were the unit was formed has several in space agents from Home Guard. The wording of the Mordu's Legion chronicle suggest to me that not all of the Intaki exiles became members of the Mordu's Legion and ran off to have space adventures. Meaning that many Legionaries probably have family still living in Kamokor and there is a good chance that those family work for or with the dominate Megacorp, Home Guard doing anything from building ships to serving on them.
http://www.eve-chatsubo.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=3615
I’d say the Gurista are highly organized – it seems to me they are based on the Yakuza gangs in Japan.
A quote from a Battletech source about the Yakuza in that genre which influences my view of the Gurista.
The Unproductive caste serves a social function more vital than its lowly status suggests. Many of these individuals are potential threats to the Combine's social order. By definition, Criminals operate outside the bounds of law-abiding society. Those of higher castes perceived as failing in loyalty or duty frequently do so because they cannot conform to the Combine's rigid social norms. Incorporating these individuals into the very social order they threaten robs them of the power to subvert it. Even the most discontented Combine citizen tends to absorb at least some social expectations and so either accepts his lowly Unproductive status or attempts to escape it by redeeming his error. The yakuza, for their part, are allowed to profit from their criminal enterprises so long as those activities do not weaken the nation as a whole. The Combine leadership tolerates their existence within a certain sphere and does not hesitate to move against any yakuza who step outside it.
In the lowest echelons of Combine society, few have any chance to become successful. Often, these individuals turn to organized crime in hopes of gaining respect and riches, pledging themselves as kobun (soldiers) to the local yakuza oyabun (leader). A yakuza gumi (clan) is involved in virtually every kind of criminal venture, with the notable exception of muggings and other violent street crime; it's bad business to brutalize your customers (though rival gumi are fair game). This respect for the common man and a strict code of honor separate the yakuza from other organized-crime factions
Some thoughts on the pirate factions and their flavors:
To understand the Guristas, you have to understand the Caldari. They may be an antithetical force towards the State, but they remain ever a Caldari group of criminals. The corporate society places huge strains on the population, while at the same time fostering a dog-eat-dog mentality, which is sugar-coated with corporate sweet talk. If you get grinded into pulp in the process, your story gets swept under the rug along with your life. That is the reality which many find repugnant once they awaken to it, turning instead to open crime, refuting their society and coming into the fold of the Guristas. If the megacorporations play dirty, they scream at the skies, so shall we and we'll return their villainy a hundredfold!
Many of the people who come into the Guristas are ex-military and this will undoubtedly effect the nature of the syndicate. However, these are the guys who didn't fit in, so it isn't just pure hierarchy and "yes, sir" all the time.
Practical, coordinated and daring. That's the Guristas, a group of self-made men who always see the raise and call your bluff.
http://www.eve-chatsubo.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=3881&hilit=Gurista
Thesis statement : Eventually, maybe even today i intend to argue that the Gurista are not a revolutionary force and are in fact probably pro-state....I believe they perform a vital function within the state's social 'ecosystem' which is why they are allowed to continue. If they got too big for their breeches they would be destroyed and some new organization would replace them
I don't think the State has entities like the CIA or KGB do do it's dirty work, so alot of times things like political assassination or sabotage get 'outsourced' for a lack of a better term to the Guristas. I think because they are useful in this way to the megacorps, there will never be a serious push to wipe them out unless they get to greedy.
Another thing that makes me think that the Guristas will never try to overthrow the state is because in Gurista complexes you will find slave pens which i bet are filled with Caldari.
For this reason I imagine life in Gurista controlled territory is very much like that of the bandit kingdoms of battletech. Life for a have not in Gurista space would be harsh and that culture isn't likely to be the birth place of a moral revolution against the State.
While it's perfectly valid to play a character who is both a revolutionary and a Guristas loyalist i believe that the Guristas pirates in the prime fiction are not anti-state just pro-guristas. It's like a Yakuza member who'd shoot down a law enforcement agent with glee but would also turn his gun on anyone who called him unpatriotic.
The members of the Patriot faction tend to be Arms manufacturers. They build ships for the Navy, the Corporate security forces and the Amarr empire. Politically they push for a larger and more advanced Navy. The culture of these corps is more likely to put more of a prestige on joining the Navy, and are more likely to hire officers when they retire (They are weapons researchers, it makes sense to hire ex-military and to offer cushy jobs to soon to retire Admirals who agree to accept contracts). This means that the majority of Naval officers are likely to politically align with the Patriots. Continuing this logic, since the Legion has ties to the Navy and Home Guard then it is likely that they too lean towards the Patriot bloc (Pre Tony of course).
The Practicals don't like having to pay for a Navy that their political rivals have a far stronger control over. They would rather spend the money elsewhere, especially since the money they give to the Navy ends up in the pockets of the Patriots and Ishukone (also a weapons firm). This could go a long way to explain why the Practicals have a connection to the underworld. The patriots have their power-base in the Navy while the Practicals make use of the Gurista for things like raiding a rival corporation, corporate espionage, and probably as a straight up trade partner. This symbiotic relationship might suggest that the Gurista are Practical leaning in their views, or at least that there is a higher flow of personal between these two groups and a closer shared culture between them and the other Caldari factions.
In an interesting shadow of the rivalries between the the Patriots and Practicals the Legion and the Guristas hate each other. If you run missions for them, they each frequently send you on kill missions against the other and both side's agents like to throw around phrases like "extreme prejudice."
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Do you mean a general division of the political 'blocs' or are you populating the list with player characters?
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Thank you Hamish for the Guristas quotes, it is very helpful. I suppose we could get at least 2 political sides inside : the yakuza like heads and the common pirates gangs that work for them, with very different mindsets.
Silas, well, I am sorry that my first message was a little short (I posted it a little late), so I am looking as much as for PF facts as for player driven content (thus why it is in this section). Especially player driven content as a lot of what I already have comes from this. This is the kind of things that I am looking for : http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=1913.msg24422#msg24422 (http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=1913.msg24422#msg24422).
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For the SoE, though this division isn't named in any PF, you can make a distinction between Radicals and Reformers. The former are the ones advocating any-means-necessary opposition to the capsuleer class, who were ascendant as of Black Mountain and have waned somewhat with the events of The Burning Life. The latter would of course favor more diplomatic, gradual, and principled methods to better the lot of humanity.
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Sorry, I have read Black Mountain, but not the Burning Life. What are you refering to (even for Black Mountain) ?
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Well, you've got to do some reading between the lines with the actual narrative portions of Black Mountain, but this info-dump style chron (http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/The_Sanctuary_%28Chronicle%29) outlines it pretty well.
[spoiler]The main character in TBL was recruited by a cabal within the SoE to work on a plan to perma-kill every single capsuleer. [spoiler]He goes halfway through with it before turning his back on them.[/spoiler][/spoiler]
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Ah I see, thank you !
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sani sabik is a broad term.
there are many cults within it, each with their own variations of things.
for Amarr, a thing would be the rapid expansion of space travel that has occurred in the relatively recent history. This expansion is one of the things that would be behind various social changes occurring.
Where previously, a Holder on a world would have to be very self-reliant, with expansion of space travel, it means that advice and material goods are now more readily accessible. For better or worse.
The Interfering Relatives can now arrive at a moments notice, and/or send Stuff that they thought you might need.
This means an individual Holder is not as self reliant, and in some cases this is not a good thing. a weak Holder that has strong relatives is no longer as easily removed, as support can arrive rapidly. Internal Family machinations have an effect, the strings can be pulled from further away, and the individual Holder cannot make their own decisions without a Lot of scrutinisation by the more conservative older generations.
At the same time, Imperial institutions, such as the Ministry of Internal Order, the Navy (and Army), can now more readily interact with things. This will tend to increase central authority.
there would then be various factions within the active Amarr political groups, pushing for or resisting change.
Imperial Centralism vs Distributed Feudalism. The Emperor is ultimately the liege lord, but instead of being far, far away, they are now effectively a lot closer.
Personal, Family, House, Imperial. The social and political manoeuvrings that are happening push the thing that is Most Important towards Imperial, rather than Personal interests.
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I think the Empire is still far more 'Feudal' than we give it credit. Yes the Imperial Navy is massive, but they have a -lot- of holes to plug and campaigns to run. The Royal families all have their own substantial navies to maintain control in their regions, and I'd say are relatively autonomous in their day-to-day.
Jamyl has but the kabash on a lot of that however and centralized and consolidated much of her power, and the current lineup the Royal houses are probably the weakest they've been in a generation.
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A first try on a view based on the standard lawful/chaotic rating : http://blackhole.holocom.org/vrac/evepoliticalroster.jpg (http://blackhole.holocom.org/vrac/evepoliticalroster.jpg)
Notes :
- It is mainly about political parties and cultural entities here, mostly.
- Please keep in mind that if I posted this in the "player driven content", it is for a good reason. I can't be totally neutral even if I tried. I have more knowledge about some factions and less about some others. It can also be slightly tainted by how I, the player, see the Eve universe.
- I have not added the Jove, SoCT and SOE because it was physically impossible... I would need a depth axis tbh. :/
- I am still looking for a squared large background image to avoid stretching the image in question...
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I love this Lyn, it's great.
I wonder, though, if Caldari liberals should be shifted one over to the right, as to be touching all three strains of Intaki. The Ishukone agreement is probably the only thing all Intaki RPers agree on.
I role play a bunch of different characters in the arc between Khanid roylist/Caldari Liberal (Val) and into Federation Sympathetic Intaki (Mammal) plus some sekrit ones and it's interesting to consider the interrelations between them. Great work.
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Thanks.
Well I see your point but I still have difficulties to understand what would make an intaki federation sympathizer prefering the ishukone relationship instead of the federation ? That way it just sounds to me that on this particular case, the intaki in question is more inclined toward Caldari, even if Ishukone...
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Yeah,
I'm not sure if it's a preference thing. I can't speak for all Intaki RPers, but this: http://community.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=3727&tid=4 (http://community.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=3727&tid=4) article I think shows some of the complexity.
The insistance on the primacy of the Intaki Assembly is something most Intaki RPers tend to have in common, and here you have a PF source affirming the significance of the Ishukone relationship to the Intaki (last paragraph). A Federal sympathising Intaki (such as myself for example, though I'm hardly a model example, having formerly been in the secessionist camp) would be inclined to be both in favour of the Ishukone Agreement, and in favour of continued membership of the Federation as a whole.
Of course, I'm generalising, but that's how I see it.
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A Federal sympathising Intaki (such as myself for example, though I'm hardly a model example, having formerly been in the secessionist camp)
This isn't the place for it, but I'm interested in how that came about!
On topic: Dang, that is a really cool chart. Makes a lot of sense too; it'd be interesting to see how the indie groups (like Interbus, etc) overlay onto that!
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A first try on a view based on the standard lawful/chaotic rating : http://blackhole.holocom.org/vrac/evepoliticalroster.jpg (http://blackhole.holocom.org/vrac/evepoliticalroster.jpg)
Notes :
- It is mainly about political parties and cultural entities here, mostly.
- Please keep in mind that if I posted this in the "player driven content", it is for a good reason. I can't be totally neutral even if I tried. I have more knowledge about some factions and less about some others. It can also be slightly tainted by how I, the player, see the Eve universe.
- I have not added the Jove, SoCT and SOE because it was physically impossible... I would need a depth axis tbh. :/
- I am still looking for a squared large background image to avoid stretching the image in question...
:cube:
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That's an awesome graphical representation.
I'm almost tempted to suggest it needs to be in 3D to fully join up all the edges that need to be, like Mammal's suggestion of the Federal sympathising Intaki sharing an edge with the Caldari Liberals.
Additionally because of the Caldari Liberals... liberalism, they could actually share an edge with their counterparts in the Gallente Liberals too.
Yeah... go make it 3D like the starmap so we can spin it. Go on. :P
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Great Work! :D
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Thanks for the feedbacks !
Yeah,
I'm not sure if it's a preference thing. I can't speak for all Intaki RPers, but this: http://community.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=3727&tid=4 (http://community.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=3727&tid=4) article I think shows some of the complexity.
The insistance on the primacy of the Intaki Assembly is something most Intaki RPers tend to have in common, and here you have a PF source affirming the significance of the Ishukone relationship to the Intaki (last paragraph). A Federal sympathising Intaki (such as myself for example, though I'm hardly a model example, having formerly been in the secessionist camp) would be inclined to be both in favour of the Ishukone Agreement, and in favour of continued membership of the Federation as a whole.
Of course, I'm generalising, but that's how I see it.
Makes sense. Though I am not sure if that particular case can be a generality. This is why I am still hesitating to put Intaki Feds together with Caldari Liberals.
I also ideally would like to create that chart for neophyte RPers that want to have a clear view of all the possibilities of factions and sub factions they can get. A lot of new RPers, if not most, have a lot to discover of the PF when they come into RP and usually just see the top of the icerberg with 4 factions and some pirate factions. I started like this too, and I am pretty sure everyone did until they start to see all the subtleties of the matter. So, a lot of new RPers end up following mainstream factionalism, and often confuse all the subfactions into their own because they precisely do not know much about these sub factions or what makes them different.
So well, my point here is that I want to keep the chart as simple as possible to avoid confusions. I may also write something for each sub faction soon.
A Federal sympathising Intaki (such as myself for example, though I'm hardly a model example, having formerly been in the secessionist camp)
This isn't the place for it, but I'm interested in how that came about!
On topic: Dang, that is a really cool chart. Makes a lot of sense too; it'd be interesting to see how the indie groups (like Interbus, etc) overlay onto that!
I tried to add Interbus and all the factions that are not here, but somehow they are for most of them totally apolitical and constitute more of another layer. Except the Jove ofc, for which I have troubles to insert properly on the chart : they are quite close to CONCORD too, as much as the other empire factions, but not closer to the Caldari, Gallente, Amarr or Minmatar so I basically cant create a place for them in that already overcrowded middle. Anyway, I think the Jove are also to be kept separated from this chart considering that as much as they are signatories of the Yulai treaty, they almost never involve themselves in New Eden politics.
I think I can add the SOE, though.
That's an awesome graphical representation.
I'm almost tempted to suggest it needs to be in 3D to fully join up all the edges that need to be, like Mammal's suggestion of the Federal sympathising Intaki sharing an edge with the Caldari Liberals.
Additionally because of the Caldari Liberals... liberalism, they could actually share an edge with their counterparts in the Gallente Liberals too.
Yeah... go make it 3D like the starmap so we can spin it. Go on. :P
I suppose I could do it in Unity 3D but I lack the programming skills to port it to web browsers and also, thats just a lot of work. :p
Propose it to CCP instead :D
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Hmmmm... could make a flash (or HTML 5?) version with short descriptions of each section...
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Was more thinking of a pdf (which requires a lot less work) but the cool thing with a web based application is that you can click on each faction and get a description.
Maybe something similar is doable in pdf too, though.
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The Chart is awesome... I like how you show that some points are closer, tied together and of course the Y- and X-axis.. what is your plan for the future?
Was more thinking of a pdf (which requires a lot less work) but the cool thing with a web based application is that you can click on each faction and get a description.
Maybe something similar is doable in pdf too, though.
I was thinking of a table in table in table chart in the wiki... Maybe I can maybe help.... (about more text, I dont know if the wiki has a hide&open funktion; I never tested it)
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The Chart is awesome... I like how you show that some points are closer, tied together and of course the Y- and X-axis.. what is your plan for the future?
Was more thinking of a pdf (which requires a lot less work) but the cool thing with a web based application is that you can click on each faction and get a description.
Maybe something similar is doable in pdf too, though.
I was thinking of a table in table in table chart in the wiki... Maybe I can maybe help.... (about more text, I dont know if the wiki has a hide&open funktion; I never tested it)
My plans ? I dont really know. I mostly did this because it sounded like it would be interesting to do. Now the base is done, I will start to write something about each sub faction. Will see after if someone has ideas to link that image with the text or if I have the time and the motivation to do a flash based thing or something. vOv
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Warning : wall of text below. Again, it is still to be labelled player driven content, even if a lot of things are ofc based on PF.
First part, with the greater Amarrian bloc.
Amarr Empire
- Orthodoxes : They are the Amarr mainstream. They believe in the traditionnal ways of Amarr and are probably the most faithful of all. They hold everything the Scriptures say in very hight esteem and might sometimes seem to be narrow-minded regarding different scriptural interpretations. Everything in their life is ruled by religion and faith, be it their daily routine to their mindset and external doctrines. They also constitute the center of the amarrian political roster.
Their champions are the mainstream part of Theology Council and the Ardishapur Family, the latter having always been considered as the most faithful and keeper of the old fervent, religious traditions. - Conservatives and Reclaimers : The Amarrian conservatives are often refered as the hardliners of the Amarr Empire. Like every Amarrian, they strongly believe in the Amarr faith, but are more inclined toward its expansionnist side, especially the Book of Reclaiming. They strongly believe that the Empire has to spread the word of God to every other heathen culture and bring them to the light according to the old Reclaiming principles, all of this by divine war and conquest, like in the old days. They can only think of one united New Eden under the mighty rule of God, embraced by the Amarr Empire.
Their champion is usually the Sarum Family, that have always been very inclined to martial lives and military mindsets. They also are often the strongest supporters of the Amarr Navy, which plays a very important role in the Amarrian society. - Traditionnalists : Traditionnalists are often found in very old families and houses. They may show a commitment to the orthodox church as much as anyone, but what generally interests them most is their social influence and place in the amarrian social ladder. Among all the imperial Houses, they are the most aristocratic. Courtiers are legion and their main preoccupation is often the amarrian aristocratic and luxurious pomp, and the prestige of their family and themselves. As much as in orthodox families, everyone knows what his place is and the social ladder is one of the most rigid of the amarrian society. They can be sometimes be regarded as the amarrian practicals and opportunists.
Their champion is the Kador family, one of the oldest and proud family of the Empire from where a lot of Emperors come. - Liberals and Neo Reclaimers : Amarrian liberals are usually the closest ones to the external cultures and influences, in spite of the very protectionnist state the Empire lives in. They often believe in diplomacy rather than force, and in superiority through cultural means. They also strive for internal reforms, including slavery, faith and trading laws, where their most common and strong belief is that the Empire needs to evolve and adapt to the new galactic situation. They are often considered as the most open minded of all Amarrians, but also enemies of what has always been the strenght of the Empire : stability and might.
Their champions are usually the Kor-Azor Family, that often embodies the famous Emperor Heideran's views about prosperity and stability through peace and diplomacy, and strong relationships with foreign cultures. The most faithful of the Kor-Azor can also be regarded as Neo-Reclaimers, who consider that Amarrian faith still has to be spread to other cultures according to what is written in the Scriptures, but via different means and methods than war and conquest, and sometimes, slavery too.
Another of their champions is the Tash-Murkon Family, quite new in the Amarrian Privy Council as the 5th family after the Khanid Family got expelled. Tash-Murkonites are mostly self made men and women, with a strong ancestry of commoners and traders before becoming their own House. They are probably the less inclined of all to the Amarrian protocol (quite at the opposite of the Kor Azor), and the ones keeping the most business external relations. Probably a lot more pragmatic and less idealistic than their Kor-Azor counterpart, they are also the closest amarrian heir family to the rest of the cluster, and probably the richest, thanks to Catiz Tash-Murkon. - Theocrats : Theocrats believe in the old ways of Amarr that took place in the early times of the Empire, before the Moral Reforms that followed the self proclamation and the fall of Emperor Zarragram the Mad. They believe in an Empire ruled by religion and apostles, like it was at the beginning. They despise the Theology Council that is a tool of the Emperor, and think that the executive power has to be held exclusively by the Church.
Their most famous champions, which has also been branded heretic, is the Saint Order of Tetrimon.
Ammatar Mandate
- Imperialists (orthodox) : Doing everything they can to live like true amarrians, doing whatever they can to fully integrate the mandate into the Empire in many cases as a province rather than a separate state. Vehemently opposed to the dealings of the previous Ammatar government - proud and welcoming of current Amarrian overlordship. These Ammatar may remove or deny vestiges of their primordial tribal heritage, proudly replacing it with copies of what they view as Amarrian. In some cases this may go to the extreme of disliking the Nefantar aristocracy - seeing it as a relic of the tribal era, however this extreme is more prevalent in the non-Nefantar, lower-ranking Ammatar.
- Determinists : Type A: Those who view the role of Ammatar mandate as a friend/ally of rather than a servant of the Amarr empire (e.g. not just a happy satellite). Still quite pro-Amarr, they are happy to praise and look up to the Amarr as their 'big brother'. These would prefer not to be ruled directly by Amarr, but would accept the current status quo as a necessity considering the circumstances under which it was instituted, and would probably be disaffected by the treachery of the previous government.
Type B: More extreme; those who believe that the Ammatar Mandate is worthy of being entirely independent of the Amarr empire. They do not necessarily believe that the good relations should be changed, but are willing to sacrifice them for independence. They prefer to take pride in their culture (including borrowings from the Amarr) as Ammatar, rather than an attempted copy of the Amarr. They may be ambivalent to the behaviour of the previous government and see it as part in parcel of independent realpolitik. - Traditionnalists (conservatives) : Happy with the old Nefantar situation, they would strive for their old prominence and supremacy, with the Amarrian favors. Wrapt in irredentist fervous, they may be in favor of bolder strikes against the Minmatar Republic because of their visions centered on the past. Mostly wealthy Ammatars with very aristocratic lineage.
- Unionists (liberals) : Type A: Not to be confused with the khanid unionists that wants the Kingdom to rejoin the Empire, the ammatar Unionists could be the ones tired of the war, looking for a reconciliation of the minmatars and the amarr (between their old origins and their new origins). Obviously, a quite minor group, with views firstly centered on cultural openness before than any real peace.
Type B: Like above, but focussed on reconciliation between Ammatar and Minmatar rather than Amarr and Minmatar. Willing to disconnect from Amarr influence. Likely to have been the biggest contributor to defectors during the upheaval. - Opportunists : These shrewd, cunning Ammatar may affiliate with and originate from any of the above groups, but this is a facade. The main motivator is self interest. There is nothing stopping them from using any of the political angles of the above for their own gain in an opportunistic manner. Not to be trusted, and difficult to tell apart from other groups. Some may have joined this group after the Ammatar order turned on its head, where the mandate seemed to be caught between a rock and a hard place. Others may be part of this group because...they're just rotten people. They may deal with Minmatar, pirates, or any other smelly groups of people whilst paying lip service to the Amarr.
Khanid Kingdom
- Royalists : The Khanid royalists are true copies of their public figure and King, Khanid II. They still retain enough of his sense of independance true and proud Khanid patriots, but also still share a good deal of the Amarrian religion, if not more pragmatically, sometimes less hampered by religious ethics, religion being regarded as a mean in itself in some extreme cases. They are the closest of the Khanid factions to the Caldari, with whom they keep a lot of fruitful trade agreements. They are also very influenced by some parts of the Caldari mindset itself, most of them being about their practical and protectionnist views. Royalists are also the center of the Khanid political roster, acting as a balance between determinists and unionists.
- Determinists : Khanid determinists are a minority mostly concerned by the Khanid Kingdom self sufficiency as a legitimate fully fledged kingdom, looking to sever all ties with the Amarr Empire. Most of them push to extremes the rebellion leaded by their King when he got exiled and see the Amarr as nothing more than a threat.
- Unionists : They are the ones that never really appreciated the awkward gap that emerged between the Khanid Kingdom and the Amarr Empire. As much as they are still proud of their legacy, they strive to see their Kingdom back into the Empire as a fully fledged imperial House. This has at least half happened since Empress Jamyl I rose into power, and the Khanid House is now partially part of the Privy Council.
- Zealots : The Khanid are not generally known to be as devout as the Amarr, but those who are tend to be fanatics even by Amarr standards. Religious Khanid are often inducted into zealous cults, generally based on their interpretation of the Scriptures. The Amarr regard these religious Khanid with suspicious interest; on the one hand the cultists' extremism alarms them, but on the other their religious fervor often results in deep theosophical insights.
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I'm gonna be making a flash version of this for sure.
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New version (http://blackhole.holocom.org/vrac/evepoliticalroster.jpg), moved a few factions (khanid unionists, zealots), added minmatar expatriates, and removed Sansha Nation that does not really share any ties with anybody.
A secondary factions overview (http://blackhole.holocom.org/vrac/evepoliticalroster2.jpg), including the remaining unfactionned/civilian entities around the CONCORD / Sansha war.
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It's very pretty, but (http://xkcd.com/833/)... :|
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I thought it would be obvious with the colors... But at first I did not even had any axes, just a radiant disk being fully lawful at the center and fully outlaw at the extremities.
Will try to name them.
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Problem was that there were explicitly drawn axes with no labels - and even if in this case you could have just done a circle and placed things around it at varying distances from the center, the clustering of different groups did kind of imply a relationship between their horizontal/vertical positions.
Which only confused me further as some of those groups seem more alike than the distances between them made it seem. :p
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Khanid Kingdom
- Royalists : The Khanid royalists are true copies of their public figure and King, Khanid II. They still retain enough of his sense of independance true and proud Khanid patriots, but also still share a good deal of the Amarrian religion, if not more pragmatically, sometimes less hampered by religious ethics, religion being regarded as a mean in itself in some extreme cases. They are the closest of the Khanid factions to the Caldari, with whom they keep a lot of fruitful trade agreements. They are also very influenced by some parts of the Caldari mindset itself, most of them being about their practical and protectionnist views. Royalists are also the center of the Khanid political roster, acting as a balance between determinists and unionists.
- Determinists : Khanid determinists are a minority mostly concerned by the Khanid Kingdom self sufficiency as a legitimate fully fledged kingdom, looking to sever all ties with the Amarr Empire. Most of them push to extremes the rebellion leaded by their King when he got exiled and see the Amarr as nothing more than a threat.
- Unionists : They are the ones that never really appreciated the awkward gap that emerged between the Khanid Kingdom and the Amarr Empire. As much as they are still proud of their legacy, they strive to see their Kingdom back into the Empire as a fully fledged imperial House. This has at least half happened since Empress Jamyl I rose into power, and the Khanid House is now partially part of the Privy Council.
- Zealots : The Khanid are not generally known to be as devout as the Amarr, but those who are tend to be fanatics even by Amarr standards. Religious Khanid are often inducted into zealous cults, generally based on their interpretation of the Scriptures. The Amarr regard these religious Khanid with suspicious interest; on the one hand the cultists' extremism alarms them, but on the other their religious fervor often results in deep theosophical insights.
I like it.... for the Unionist is already a wikipage there (see her (http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Khanid_Unionists)e).
About the Zealots.... I would start, that they are mainly a Khanid Bloodline group, which works in the Empire and Kingdom, but has gain more political power after the split, so that it is now a political bloc... than your text. After that... that the Zealots in the Empire are Reclaimers, which means they are close to the House Sarum. Which brings some nice Khanid vs. Sarum aka Khanid II vs. Jamyl I action.
About the Royalist.. First Im happy you doesnt call them Separatist. Second: I like this line: Royalists are also the center of the Khanid political roster, acting as a balance between determinists and unionists. Third: Im a Royalist :P
As note: Maybe we find a counterweight for the Zealots.
Edit: Or maybe better two or three counterweights.... of course this groups are to small to compete alone against the politcal power of the Zealots, but if they would work together they would be also a bloc.
So for one... of course the Liberals... and like the Caldari Liberals (http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Caldari_Corporate_Factions#Liberals) they believe in the principles of free trade and free enterprice.... etc.
The different between theam and the Royalist are, that they are for even stronger ties with the State. About the mindset.. like you already said about the Royalist: " They are also very influenced by some parts of the Caldari mindset itself, most of them being about their practical and protectionnist views."
So for the Khanid Liberals would be, like the name shows, the liberal mindset.
So overall they would make - with maybe some other (which I have to pull out of my ***) - a nice counterweight to the Zealots.
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So I have put the Liberals in.... they would dock on the Caldari liberals...... the Royalist are now docking also to the patriots and practicals....
Link (http://s7.directupload.net/file/d/2850/x29c2b5z_jpg.htm)
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Or maybe ... with the royalist in the center would fit better..... the Zealots would than dock on the Reclaimers (Sarums Family).....
Zealots would be on the other side of the Liberals.... between then the Royalist.
The same counts for Unionists and Determinists.
here (http://s1.directupload.net/images/120404/348orfo7.jpg)
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Problem was that there were explicitly drawn axes with no labels - and even if in this case you could have just done a circle and placed things around it at varying distances from the center, the clustering of different groups did kind of imply a relationship between their horizontal/vertical positions.
Which only confused me further as some of those groups seem more alike than the distances between them made it seem. :p
I think I understand. Thanks for the feedback.
Edit : Publius, I saw your post in the catacombs, but I really think that if people did not understand something, then it obviously means that it could be made better or enhanced to prevent that to happen again. Thats the point of getting feedbacks.
Khanid Kingdom
- Royalists : The Khanid royalists are true copies of their public figure and King, Khanid II. They still retain enough of his sense of independance true and proud Khanid patriots, but also still share a good deal of the Amarrian religion, if not more pragmatically, sometimes less hampered by religious ethics, religion being regarded as a mean in itself in some extreme cases. They are the closest of the Khanid factions to the Caldari, with whom they keep a lot of fruitful trade agreements. They are also very influenced by some parts of the Caldari mindset itself, most of them being about their practical and protectionnist views. Royalists are also the center of the Khanid political roster, acting as a balance between determinists and unionists.
- Determinists : Khanid determinists are a minority mostly concerned by the Khanid Kingdom self sufficiency as a legitimate fully fledged kingdom, looking to sever all ties with the Amarr Empire. Most of them push to extremes the rebellion leaded by their King when he got exiled and see the Amarr as nothing more than a threat.
- Unionists : They are the ones that never really appreciated the awkward gap that emerged between the Khanid Kingdom and the Amarr Empire. As much as they are still proud of their legacy, they strive to see their Kingdom back into the Empire as a fully fledged imperial House. This has at least half happened since Empress Jamyl I rose into power, and the Khanid House is now partially part of the Privy Council.
- Zealots : The Khanid are not generally known to be as devout as the Amarr, but those who are tend to be fanatics even by Amarr standards. Religious Khanid are often inducted into zealous cults, generally based on their interpretation of the Scriptures. The Amarr regard these religious Khanid with suspicious interest; on the one hand the cultists' extremism alarms them, but on the other their religious fervor often results in deep theosophical insights.
I like it.... for the Unionist is already a wikipage there (see her (http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Khanid_Unionists)e).
About the Zealots.... I would start, that they are mainly a Khanid Bloodline group, which works in the Empire and Kingdom, but has gain more political power after the split, so that it is now a political bloc... than your text. After that... that the Zealots in the Empire are Reclaimers, which means they are close to the House Sarum. Which brings some nice Khanid vs. Sarum aka Khanid II vs. Jamyl I action.
About the Royalist.. First Im happy you doesnt call them Separatist. Second: I like this line: Royalists are also the center of the Khanid political roster, acting as a balance between determinists and unionists. Third: Im a Royalist :P
As note: Maybe we find a counterweight for the Zealots.
Edit: Or maybe better two or three counterweights.... of course this groups are to small to compete alone against the politcal power of the Zealots, but if they would work together they would be also a bloc.
So for one... of course the Liberals... and like the Caldari Liberals (http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Caldari_Corporate_Factions#Liberals) they believe in the principles of free trade and free enterprice.... etc.
The different between theam and the Royalist are, that they are for even stronger ties with the State. About the mindset.. like you already said about the Royalist: " They are also very influenced by some parts of the Caldari mindset itself, most of them being about their practical and protectionnist views."
So for the Khanid Liberals would be, like the name shows, the liberal mindset.
So overall they would make - with maybe some other (which I have to pull out of my ***) - a nice counterweight to the Zealots.
You are right, the thing that was annoying me was that Royalists were put directly next to the Caldari bloc. We clearly miss a believable faction which would indeed be Khanid liberals / corporatists.
I find your second option better. Nice feedback, will try to change it when I get the time.
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Thx for the kind words.... I thought to that option 2 is better too.
I have rethink some parts.... First Im such a moron. I had give Seriphyn a advise (see here (http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=3161.msg47825#msg47825)). So why not make a millieu chart for the pluralistic EVE univers.
So I have try to make at least a 2 milieus, see here (http://s1.directupload.net/images/120404/z9heanjl.jpg). The Royalist and the Tradionalist /Kador are in both now in the center (I know I have make the red line around the Kadorites.... maybe see it as 75% in the trad.consv. Milieu. The good think.... the Royalist are stil in the center and all other groups are still aorund the Royalist... and stay in there opposite side.... Liberals - Royalist - Zealots and Determinist - Royalist - Unionist
So back :P. I have put the Liberals together and all others liek before....
See here (http://s14.directupload.net/images/120404/b5nkr3mh.jpg).
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As addition to the other post.... I was thinking maybe add connection lines..... like I said...
Liberals - Royalist - Zealots and the Khanid Liberals with the Caldari Liberals....
Determinist - Royalist - Unionist
Or in the right coner I have added Outlaws (the minnis have "pirate thing" going on in the PF)... of the three Minmatar factions.... and connected this three with another... and every one of them with the faction. I havent go tru all the sub-factions it is late... and the tabing around while mining was a little ....
here (http://s1.directupload.net/images/120405/t35p3bqj.jpg)
About the Milieus.... I was thinking maybe dismiss the nice backround and add this bubbles if you like... for example as backround of the the thee outlaws a black bubble.... something like: Adaptive criminal milieu....
For the three Fedpartys... maybe a bubble in green with: Poltical activ/oriented milieu... then you can add more to the Fed like: Hedonists and on the other side of the spectrum the post-materialists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-materialism) (in the meaning of that consum and the income which you need for the cosum isnt everthing etc...Like Tyler Durden:P )
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A Caldari "Liberal" doesn't have the same meaning as a Liberal in other factions, and the majority of the connection between the Khanid and the Caldari is through the Lai Dai and Wiyrkomi who are part of the patriot group.
As I tried to point out IC on the IGS once upon a time the difference between the liberals and the practicals is their stance on free trade and neo-mercantilism. The difference between the Patriots and Practicals is how big the Caldari Navy should be and how it should be used (defense only vs making money/acquiring assets). The Difference between the Patriots and the Liberals is their stance on CONCORD, the Patriots sometimes call for trade tariffs and want to trade more often with Amarr, Khanid and Minmatar while the Liberals don't care for trade tariffs at all and trade slightly more with the Gallente than they do with each of the others.
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I will have to think a little about the Amarr - Khanid - Caldari bridge. Some are still not totally perfect like the Tash Murkon that should be connected to the Caldari somehow (with all the empyrean age trade agreements).
Concerning the Gallente they are ofc more complicated than that : at the beginning I had also the doves, hawks, magpies and ostriches but they are mainly a second layer to something else, a precision on the different "moods" of the population on specific issues rather than real political general tendancies like the Sociocrats, Progressives, etc.
I like your minmatar outlaws bridge between the Republic and the Cartel. It is mentionned in the PF that a lot of Minmatar end up in piracy or other shady dealings, and those are close to the minmatar individualist group, not totally attached to the Republic.
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A Caldari "Liberal" doesn't have the same meaning as a Liberal in other factions, and the majority of the connection between the Khanid and the Caldari is through the Lai Dai and Wiyrkomi who are part of the patriot group.
Sure thing.... you can take the connection between them out.... I was a little to fast with it....
About Liberals arent Liberals..... You can already say that all those which we call liberals..... - Amarr L., Khanid L., Caldari L. - are in their respective society "represent" the economical liberal part (dont see liberal her as liberal, what North Americans it sees). So a social Milieu as bottom layer would be not a problem (the problem would be if I would give the Sociocrats the same bubble backround color), because you have add always a faction symbole, to each group... so we already know... that a amarr backround means that it is part of the empire... now we just need to give... a second half transparent backround... the soical millieus....
I will have to think a little about the Amarr - Khanid - Caldari bridge. Some are still not totally perfect like the Tash Murkon that should be connected to the Caldari somehow (with all the empyrean age trade agreements).
Like I said.... the connection was to much... I agree .... it was late last night and it overcomes me :P... but you can connect them with the social milieu backround bubble.... some silver-blue: economical liberal Milieu.
See this Milieus as general tendency, which are in every society like Hamish Grayson said are different, but you can say that they are the economical liberal social Milieu for their respective society.
Concerning the Gallente they are ofc more complicated than that : at the beginning I had also the doves, hawks, magpies and ostriches but they are mainly a second layer to something else, a precision on the different "moods" of the population on specific issues rather than real political general tendancies like the Sociocrats, Progressives, etc.
Like I said... give up the backround for a social milieu bubbels (which can overlap with others).... so of course you can bring lower "moods". Give them just a light green backround color... and give than in the legend... this light green color the name: political oriented Milieu. And the partys a green with: Poltical organized milieu. And this two bubbles can over lap... in the form which you like.
I have ninjs some stuff together.... and yes it is just some brainstorming:
blue: economical liberal milieu
yellow: tradional conservativ milieu ( already know whats comes: Listen Dude :P, Publius why arent the Reunionists in yellow?... because.. like I said it has the Ammatar symbole, so the are a group in the Ammatar society (not the whole Minmatar world) in this society the arent the tradionalists.
green: poltical organized milieu (or maybe add a party somewhere)
red: adaptive criminal milieu
dark gray:organized criminal milieu (the pirate factions+ some others. I think their was even some more pirate groups mention in some mission... a gallente which is in alot of movies etc...)
here (http://s14.directupload.net/images/120405/iir9w9w2.jpg)
Edit: with Sani Sabik and gray backround... yeah I was their to fast.... just the blood raiders.
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Okay... now I have lost the overview :P
Ehm... so that were my idea: here (http://s1.directupload.net/images/120406/jsh6seeo.jpg)
I havce for the Caldari add the two Disassociated (http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Caldari_Corporate_Factions#Disassociated) groups and add the guristas over type 2 and type 1 is the group which conects now the other threes. I have also try to think about thze Fed... but I havent found much.... maybe ask Seriphyn.
But on a other thing... ehm have you rework the chart?... because like you see I have lost a little the beauty... have you a newer version or without backround....
Fly save.... and again a awesome chart.
Edit: Totally forget to take the K. Liberal - C. Liberal connection out :oops:.... so just deleted it in your mind. Plus maybe add a connection between: Orthodox "Ardishapur Family" and Imperialists "Orthodox". I think with Yonis as Ruler of the Ammatar Mandate shouldnt it be a problem... and a plausbile connection between this two factions.
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I too added the 2 dissociated groups yersterday, and also the Gallente Populist Party and some new stuff. I havent updated it yet on the web because I did A LOT of changes, trying to represent more of the relationships that were still missing (Ishukone - Gallente liberals, that kind of things). For now I am mostly annoyed by my U-nats and Provists groups that are fucking painful to drop on the map, but I think I managed to come up to something better and more representative.
Will post it soon.
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I too added the 2 dissociated groups yersterday
Will post it soon.
Nice... great minds think alike (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=great%20minds%20mother%20fucker) 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-9C8WiX1gE&t=8m00s) :P
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The new one (http://blackhole.holocom.org/vrac/evepoliticalroster.jpg), Sansha are back here even if they could be put anywhere...
The "neutral" entities (http://blackhole.holocom.org/vrac/evepoliticalroster2.jpg)
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The new one (http://blackhole.holocom.org/vrac/evepoliticalroster.jpg), Sansha are back here even if they could be put anywhere...
The "neutral" entities (http://blackhole.holocom.org/vrac/evepoliticalroster.jpg)
Some how are going both links to the same page?
Looks really nice... if I can make a small suggestion: Khanid Corporatist for Caldari Sympathizer, it sounds somehow better....
I like that you have them dock to the Patriots..... It fits to my article about: Ganortchar Asabona (http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Ganortchar_Asabona) and Hamish Grayson suggestion (http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=3102.msg47952#msg47952) about the Kingdom - Caldari connection.
Another thing... I have seen you have put the Kadors far out side.... and the Ardishapur in the center? ehm... I think maybe you done it to have the Ammatar Imperalists docking on them?... On another topic have you the page with a transparent backround or white?... so I can play around a little.... it would be awesome.... maybe i find a meaning full way to get the Sansha in the chart, plus maybe a chart with full on connection lines (so that they arent just half-ass like in my chart :().
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I know I little of topic... but what was the name of the Gallent Outlaw and his organisation which shows up even in popular movies/holoreels? Or maybe it was a gallente-Intaki outlaw.... I dont remember :cry: ...I just know it was a Lvl 2 mission or mission 2ish.
Any help welcome....
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I know I little of topic... but what was the name of the Gallent Outlaw and his organisation which shows up even in popular movies/holoreels? Or maybe it was a gallente-Intaki outlaw.... I dont remember :cry: ...I just know it was a Lvl 2 mission or mission 2ish.
Any help welcome....
Holoreel is "Into the Deep" and the Outlaw is Zazzmatazz.
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I know I little of topic... but what was the name of the Gallent Outlaw and his organisation which shows up even in popular movies/holoreels? Or maybe it was a gallente-Intaki outlaw.... I dont remember :cry: ...I just know it was a Lvl 2 mission or mission 2ish.
Any help welcome....
Holoreel is "Into the Deep" and the Outlaw is Zazzmatazz.
Zazz is his nickname. His actual name is Jakerion Pahydan.
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The new one (http://blackhole.holocom.org/vrac/evepoliticalroster.jpg), Sansha are back here even if they could be put anywhere...
The "neutral" entities (http://blackhole.holocom.org/vrac/evepoliticalroster.jpg)
Some how are going both links to the same page?
Looks really nice... if I can make a small suggestion: Khanid Corporatist for Caldari Sympathizer, it sounds somehow better....
I like that you have them dock to the Patriots..... It fits to my article about: Ganortchar Asabona (http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Ganortchar_Asabona) and Hamish Grayson suggestion (http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=3102.msg47952#msg47952) about the Kingdom - Caldari connection.
Another thing... I have seen you have put the Kadors far out side.... and the Ardishapur in the center? ehm... I think maybe you done it to have the Ammatar Imperalists docking on them?... On another topic have you the page with a transparent backround or white?... so I can play around a little.... it would be awesome.... maybe i find a meaning full way to get the Sansha in the chart, plus maybe a chart with full on connection lines (so that they arent just half-ass like in my chart :().
Links are fixed.
Yeah I can change for Khanid corporatists. Actually thats how I called them in one of the versions I did, can't remember which one.
Also yes, Ardishapur at the centre because they are... the center (orthodox). And also connected to Ammatar Mandate (through Ionis and anyway they are the closest).
The chart looks a little clearer without the image with a full black background, though it saddens me to remove the picture.
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I know I little of topic... but what was the name of the Gallent Outlaw and his organisation which shows up even in popular movies/holoreels? Or maybe it was a gallente-Intaki outlaw.... I dont remember :cry: ...I just know it was a Lvl 2 mission or mission 2ish.
Any help welcome....
Holoreel is "Into the Deep" and the Outlaw is Zazzmatazz.
Thx,,, for the help.
I know I little of topic... but what was the name of the Gallent Outlaw and his organisation which shows up even in popular movies/holoreels? Or maybe it was a gallente-Intaki outlaw.... I dont remember :cry: ...I just know it was a Lvl 2 mission or mission 2ish.
Any help welcome....
Holoreel is "Into the Deep" and the Outlaw is Zazzmatazz.
Zazz is his nickname. His actual name is Jakerion Pahydan.
thx for the help..... both of you.
The new one (http://blackhole.holocom.org/vrac/evepoliticalroster.jpg), Sansha are back here even if they could be put anywhere...
The "neutral" entities (http://blackhole.holocom.org/vrac/evepoliticalroster.jpg)
Some how are going both links to the same page?
Looks really nice... if I can make a small suggestion: Khanid Corporatist for Caldari Sympathizer, it sounds somehow better....
I like that you have them dock to the Patriots..... It fits to my article about: Ganortchar Asabona (http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Ganortchar_Asabona) and Hamish Grayson suggestion (http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=3102.msg47952#msg47952) about the Kingdom - Caldari connection.
Another thing... I have seen you have put the Kadors far out side.... and the Ardishapur in the center? ehm... I think maybe you done it to have the Ammatar Imperalists docking on them?... On another topic have you the page with a transparent backround or white?... so I can play around a little.... it would be awesome.... maybe i find a meaning full way to get the Sansha in the chart, plus maybe a chart with full on connection lines (so that they arent just half-ass like in my chart :().
Links are fixed.
Yeah I can change for Khanid corporatists. Actually thats how I called them in one of the versions I did, can't remember which one.
Also yes, Ardishapur at the centre because they are... the center (orthodox). And also connected to Ammatar Mandate (through Ionis and anyway they are the closest).
The chart looks a little clearer without the image with a full black background, though it saddens me to remove the picture.
For me the Orthodox would be more "center-right" aand Kador more "center" (still conservativ like I said 75%)... ehm.... maybe I fond some arrangement... which brings the Kadors in the center and the reunionists away from the imperialists.... they are to close for me :P.
Have you a clear version uploaded?
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I've been quite surprised how you split up the Amarrian bloc, I'm not seeing it like that at all. Especially your "Orthodoxes" and putting them in there at the Amarrian center with the Ardishapur is really not how I see the Empire. The Ardishapur are supposed to be out of center leaning towards religious traditions that are not quite in the center anymore.
Maybe I'll work out a subdivision of the political streams as I see them for the Empire. It's not quite easy though as the political landscape of the Empire is actually quite complex.
Other than that, kudos for trying your hand at this.
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The Empire can be difficult because it's the one that has experienced the most 'drift' from the original PF to the current one.
Weird that the most stagnant and traditionalist Empire is the one that is culturally in flux, eh?
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I've been quite surprised how you split up the Amarrian bloc, I'm not seeing it like that at all. Especially your "Orthodoxes" and putting them in there at the Amarrian center with the Ardishapur is really not how I see the Empire. The Ardishapur are supposed to be out of center leaning towards religious traditions that are not quite in the center anymore.
Maybe I'll work out a subdivision of the political streams as I see them for the Empire. It's not quite easy though as the political landscape of the Empire is actually quite complex.
Other than that, kudos for trying your hand at this.
Yes this is an interesting point and I think I mixed Religious believers (Ardishapur) and Orthodox/Imperialists (the Emperor and public institutions). Ardishapur should indeed be moved next to Tetrimon and the likes, while the Orthodox remain at the center.
Also this is what has always seemed important to me in the Empire : the duality between private powers (Houses, the Privy Council, etc), and public executive powers (The Emperor, the Navy, the TC, the MIO, Imperial Shipment/Armaments, etc etc).
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I've been quite surprised how you split up the Amarrian bloc, I'm not seeing it like that at all. Especially your "Orthodoxes" and putting them in there at the Amarrian center with the Ardishapur is really not how I see the Empire. The Ardishapur are supposed to be out of center leaning towards religious traditions that are not quite in the center anymore.
Maybe I'll work out a subdivision of the political streams as I see them for the Empire. It's not quite easy though as the political landscape of the Empire is actually quite complex.
Other than that, kudos for trying your hand at this.
Yes this is an interesting point and I think I mixed Religious believers (Ardishapur) and Orthodox/Imperialists (the Emperor and public institutions). Ardishapur should indeed be moved next to Tetrimon and the likes, while the Orthodox remain at the center.
Also this is what has always seemed important to me in the Empire : the duality between private powers (Houses, the Privy Council, etc), and public executive powers (The Emperor, the Navy, the TC, the MIO, Imperial Shipment/Armaments, etc etc).
I dont know if Orthodox defines than your new center, maybe it should than better stay with the Ardishapur. I think Caesaropaperists would fit better... like mention in the Amarr Emperor (http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Amarr_Emperor) page. It would be your pro-Emperor/Empress, pro-centralist power bloc.....
I have rework it again :P
here (http://s14.directupload.net/images/120410/k6zfhxr4.jpg)
My suggestions:
- So I would love to have the Khanid sub faction arranged in that way... because maybe when I have time I will try to make a wiki page.... and that way (a almost CCP symbol) would be it easier to make.
- Renaming Caladri Sympathizers to Khanid Corporatists
- Naming your center Caesaropaperists (Champion: Jamyl I)
- Get the Imperialist (Orthodox)away from the Reunionists, let them dock to the Orthodox in the Amarr Empire
- In my version are more open holes... wounds.... Dont fear them... I have take the center a little apart and add in the Sisters of EVE. They have a small negativ standing with the Caldari and Amarr so they dock to the Galllente and Minmatar
- Maybe add the Interbus like the Provists.. let them be a layer down in the center... meaning between Concord - SoS - and the open field
Edit: Maybe add where the redcrossed Reunionists are.. a new subgroup..... Minmatar faction... than Amarr Sympathizers... they would be than dock to the new reclaimers and the republic..... you could count also matari refugies which still uphold the amarr faith to this group.... (I know the world event died with Abel Jarek... and never got pick up again.... but I would count it as part of the EVE history.... and most likely even when there isnt new infos or news about that topic.... It is very likely that it is still a problem in the republic society).
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I have try a little any help welcome:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=108556&find=unread
P.S. Lyn I hope you are "cool" with it. I have mostly copy & past your description.... of course you can log in on the wiki and add more.... In the end I was thinking maybe to go for every bloc/faction each. It would be easier.
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I don't see where on the wiki ?
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http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Khanid_Corporatists
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Khanid_Royalists
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Khanid_Zealots
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Khanid_Determinists
Those hexagons are alot of work.... but It is the future.... It should have them :)
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As next faction I was thinking maybe go for the Ammatar, I dont know if you like 5 or 6 (spliting the two typs of unionists (http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=3102.msg47917#msg47917) etc....) As for the form... what is the most of the work.... I would love to have the traditionalists in the center.... in the bottom the Reunionists and on top the Imperialists..... the two other would grow out of the center...something link my last version (here (http://s14.directupload.net/images/120410/k6zfhxr4.jpg)).
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As for the Amarr Empire i was thinking, maybe to have two centers.... one with Traditonalist and one with Caesarpoperists (will think about other name), but get the Liberals up; something like this:
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Let me know what you thing!
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Do as you think it best, tbh it can be changed or improved almost indefinitly on this map so... I already had 2 or 3 changes in mind but I cant remember which ones.