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Title: Fourth District (Caldari RP)
Post by: Van Cleef on 06 Nov 2011, 13:19
The Fourth District is a RP-ish (Caldari Themed) Alliance centered in the Providence region. We support the State as a institution and are at odds with the current Heth regime.  That is why we are in Providence.  We are looking for PVPers or people who are interested and willing to learn/listen how to PVP, and industrialists to fill out the alliance roster. Ideally we would like corporations that have experience working in Small Gang Warfare as our focus is on small to medium sized PVP. We welcome FWers because it is something most FWers are experts in. Because we RP-ish centered we are looking for people who either have no problem with RP or would like to RP. We do have openings for industrialists, but a requirement for the alliance is that everyone fights. Even if your speciality is mining, you must still participate in defensive PVP operations when needed.

The Fourth will not be a large group by design, we are looking for 2 to 3 corporations, Your attitude as a group is essential. We don’t want rockstars and leeters. I don’t care if you have 50 of the super-ist high speed-ist ships all faction fitted, if you cannot get along with the people in the alliance – be a respectful quiet professional - you are not who we are looking for. The morale of the alliance and the atmosphere we have is more important than anything else.

That said, here is what we have to offer.

We have 0.0 sov space, it isn’t the best of the best, but if you are looking to get into 0.0 – which inevitably most FW corporations are, it can be a place to start. Providence operates under NRDS, which is similar to low security, but you will have access to 0.0 tactics and ship specialties.

We use teamspeak, it’s a requirement for Ops, but not everyday stuff. You can use it for everyday stuff if you want.

Registered killboards for you killboard fanatics.

Good FCs, good fleets, plenty of PVP action – but mostly smaller (10-30) man gangs. We aren’t really looking for blob warfare, there are plenty of other 0.0 groups where you can be drake number 112.
Good people willing to help out with questions.  We are also involved in Incursion fleets, although we try for alliance only unless your refered / trusted by someone in the alliance.

If your interested in RP, or have a group that likes to RP you can do it here. We don’t have a lot of influence in the RP world anymore, and by RP I mean that you know the general backstory of Eve (ie why the Caldari hate the Gallente and why the Minmatar hate the Amarr.) You can take or leave the RP, but you have to respect the people who DO actually RP and RP is a guiding force for the alliance.

What we cannot offer

Null sec politics. We aren’t and have no wish to be a major player in null sec politics. We will by default have some politics, but if you want to be in the planning for the next great invasion of (insert region), it won’t be with us.

Unrestricted PVP. We are NRDS, and a bit pirate hunting happy as well. We don’t pirate, we don’t scam, we don’t steal. If that is your bag, then you will not last long.

here is our website. Ask in channel 4THCOM for an alliance executive or send me a evemail if you interested in talking or want more information.
Title: Re: Fourth District (Caldari RP)
Post by: Gottii on 06 Nov 2011, 15:04
Good luck to you guys
Title: Re: Fourth District (Caldari RP)
Post by: Van Cleef on 06 Nov 2011, 17:19
Since we are NRDS, we can offer corporations opportunties to come out to 4th space, give it a try and see if you like it.  At the stations, with the proper standings, we have cloning facilities, manufacturing and research.  We have areas for mining, ratting, PVPing, etc.

This is a good opportunity for a Caldari Alliance, unlike any other before.
Title: Re: Fourth District (Caldari RP)
Post by: orange on 06 Nov 2011, 17:37
Your first post lacked a link (http://cain.excidium.net/) to your alliance website.   :D

Since we are NRDS, we can offer corporations opportunties to come out to 4th space, give it a try and see if you like it.  At the stations, with the proper standings, we have cloning facilities, manufacturing and research.  We have areas for mining, ratting, PVPing, etc.

This is a good opportunity for a Caldari Alliance, unlike any other before.

Does this mean you are open to non-alliance corporations taking up residency in your space?

Is non-alliance member moon mining permitted?

... industrialists to fill out the alliance roster. ... We do have openings for industrialists, but a requirement for the alliance is that everyone fights. Even if your speciality is mining, you must still participate in defensive PVP operations when needed.

Will 4TH leadership also encourage its PvP specialist to participate in industrial projects?

For example, alliance members all training up to maintain a single planetary colony and export a low-end product to sell on the local market.

Or is the PvP specialist not expected to contribute to non-PvP activities?
Title: Re: Fourth District (Caldari RP)
Post by: Van Cleef on 06 Nov 2011, 22:33

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Does this mean you are open to non-alliance corporations taking up residency in your space?

Long and short, yes.  The idea of residency is more tied to the NBSI idea of 0.0.  We don't have residents, we have "consumers".

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Is non-alliance member moon mining permitted?

No, this is one thing that has to be managed by the alliance to offset sov costs. 

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Will 4TH leadership also encourage its PvP specialist to participate in industrial projects?  For example, alliance members all training up to maintain a single planetary colony and export a low-end product to sell on the local market.  Or is the PvP specialist not expected to contribute to non-PvP activities?

Outside of defensive operations we do not force anyone to do anything - and we do that so we can survive.  We are not elitest, PVPers aren't knights and miners plebs.  If its best for the alliance I would expect the members to do what is best for the alliance.  As far as training *all* alliance members, I think that is unpractical.

Oh, and thanks for the heads up on the website, meant to add that.





Title: Re: Fourth District (Caldari RP)
Post by: John Revenent on 07 Nov 2011, 00:15
This is a good opportunity for a Caldari Alliance, unlike any other before.

Wish you guys luck. We would be all over it but ya know  :evil:
Title: Re: Fourth District (Caldari RP)
Post by: Hamish Grayson on 07 Nov 2011, 12:44
I know Ive removed myself from the loop, but TBH I still dont see why everything can't be worked out.   No reason to let third parties (Amarrian or Gallente) keep us from finally building a true Cladari bloc.   
Title: Re: Fourth District (Caldari RP)
Post by: Van Cleef on 07 Nov 2011, 13:11

Wish you guys luck. We would be all over it but ya know  :evil:

Yes sir, I do.  It is a very unfortunate situtation, but you never know what the future may hold.
Title: Re: Fourth District (Caldari RP)
Post by: Ladel Teravada on 18 Feb 2012, 06:41
Bit of a bump. Still looking for more pilots. Lately been flying 10-20 man gangs mostly apart from the major fights together with CVA where its been 150-200 man fleets.

 We are test-running a reimbursement scheme for gangs now and try to have 4-5 bigger roams a week at least =) Always interested in more FC's as well.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRuMSZvT6A4  If you wonder how a roam of ours can look.
Title: Re: Fourth District (Caldari RP)
Post by: Demion Samenel on 25 Sep 2012, 22:50
Small information update is in order. The Fourth  District is growing slowly, myself and few others is pushing abit for more RP within the alliance, alot of ideas is on the board.

we are always looking for pilots to fill our corps or corps to join "The District"

Soon (tm) more information....


Demion Samenel, Commander
Title: Re: Fourth District (Caldari RP)
Post by: orange on 13 Oct 2012, 13:15
Ladel is very active FC on EU timezone and is very successful.

0000-0600 EVT Providence often has light hostile gangs* (<20 ships) roaming around that need killing.
Opportunity to help make a difference in Providence if you play during that time zone.

*Black Ops, T2 Frigate, occasional BC gang.
Title: Re: Fourth District (Caldari RP)
Post by: Demion Samenel on 15 Mar 2013, 15:29
I have created a 4TH District News feed that will bring out some information about the District. It will mainly be RP events and information from The District, but sometimes things might get abit of OOC aswell.

http://thefourthdistrict.blogspot.se/ (http://thefourthdistrict.blogspot.se/)

Hopefully this will add to our and others RP sense of The District.

We have aslo reach our 500 members, and will work the memberbase we have.

Abit more activity on the US TZ, but still on the low side.

Demion Samenel
Title: Re: Fourth District (Caldari RP)
Post by: Kyoko Sakoda on 15 Mar 2013, 16:09
I like these dudes, among many other dudes.
Title: Re: Fourth District (Caldari RP)
Post by: Demion Samenel on 16 Apr 2013, 14:29
Winner of our first Fourth District fiction competition have been posted here, enjoy  :D

http://thefourthdistrict.blogspot.se/2013/04/fourth-district-reveals-winner-of-its.html (http://thefourthdistrict.blogspot.se/2013/04/fourth-district-reveals-winner-of-its.html)

Have tried to make our space more alive so I issued a writing competition that focused on our alliance the price was 500 mil ISK and a Cynabal.

Also updated our alliance with an CCP event channel to be more focus on those who are intrested in live events.

Fly safe!

Demion Samenel
Title: Re: Fourth District (Caldari RP)
Post by: Demion Samenel on 16 Jun 2013, 18:12
Finally got an update of 4TH Districts backstory done.

http://thefourthdistrict.blogspot.se/2013/06/creation-of-caldari-enclave-in.html (http://thefourthdistrict.blogspot.se/2013/06/creation-of-caldari-enclave-in.html)

We are constantly fine tuning both small gang warfare and larger coalition ops, emphasize on small gang warfare, but larger fleets do happen.

And of course one of our highlights during the years is the Alliance Tournament, which we always look forward to participate in.

The RP within the alliance is getting better and better but we still hold a light approach to it, but its highly encouraged.

Demion Samenel
Title: Re: Fourth District (Caldari RP)
Post by: Demion Samenel on 27 Dec 2013, 12:52
Small update is on order.

As I have taken over Alliance Head Diplomat Position and is now running the alliance along side the alliance executor I can now work harder than I could before, which is nice and I like it  8), hopefully this will increase a bit of RP awareness and activity from our side as it falls on my desk to make it happen.

Our Blog http://thefourthdistrict.blogspot.se (http://thefourthdistrict.blogspot.se)/ is growing and currently I am working on small alliance focused fiction and the normal news typed articles, so stay tuned, and it updates with OOC stuff to now and then.

What we do and offer, not much has change since the Caldari enclave was instated, small stuff has however been added. 

- PVP, our focus is still small scale bur larger fleet do happen, it is a bit slower now during holiday but many are parents and we see irl come first. This fall under the Military Advisory Board with Ladel Teravade as its director and main FC, with the rest of our FC´s.

- Live Events, as a Caldari aligned alliance we offer our support to events that happens in or around State controlled space or that is of interest of the State. 

- Industry, as much as we can offer for all allies and friendly neuts with PI program in our space and mining.

Any diplomatic question or other inquiries you can always contact me through an eve mail.

Demion Samenel.


EDIT:Added link

Title: Re: Fourth District (Caldari RP)
Post by: Lyn Farel on 27 Dec 2013, 14:12
Yay CAIN \o/
Title: Re: Fourth District (Caldari RP)
Post by: Demion Samenel on 24 Feb 2014, 01:19
Update time!

We built a station, or more correct one of our corporation made a project of it.

http://thefourthdistrict.blogspot.se/2014/02/new-station-built-in-18xa-c-solar-system.html (http://thefourthdistrict.blogspot.se/2014/02/new-station-built-in-18xa-c-solar-system.html)

Has nothing to do with CVA "Reclamation of Providence" but I guess it helps in the long run  :s

Some small RP came out of it to so all party is happy.

We are constantly trying attract "consumers" to our space which is now 100% fully upgraded. Caldari loyalist gets a noodle Discount in I-MGAB, ask for Nidia, when you passes by. Normal KOS-rules applies so please your you ID transponder at the door. 

Fleets happen on are regular basis, most cruiser, Attack battlecruiser size fleets. most PVP activity is EU timezone, but we are trying to improve that on US timezone to. Some US timezone is industry based.

All for now.

Demion Samenel



Title: Re: Fourth District (Caldari RP)
Post by: Alain Colcer on 24 Feb 2014, 06:56
why didnt you guys prefer to deploy a caldari outpost?

such outpost with tier 3 factory upgrade + tier 2 laboratory upgrade + tier 1 research facility upgrade is powerhouse for printing money (as far as im told).
Title: Re: Fourth District (Caldari RP)
Post by: Demion Samenel on 24 Feb 2014, 07:49
why didnt you guys prefer to deploy a caldari outpost?

such outpost with tier 3 factory upgrade + tier 2 laboratory upgrade + tier 1 research facility upgrade is powerhouse for printing money (as far as im told).

We have one, upgraded to.

It has the shitties undock range, "kicker station" and so the worst station to own.

Amarr station was the only option left next to z-r that has a minmatar refining station, so it made the most sense.

I would love to smear Caldari all over the place but no  :cry:

WTB Caldari station reskin pack  8)
Title: Re: Fourth District (Caldari RP)
Post by: Alain Colcer on 24 Feb 2014, 08:17
ohh don't mind me, i didnt knew the whole context....you got refinery and research already, was obvious to own an amarr factory.

Congratz on deploying the outpost  :D
Title: Re: Fourth District (Caldari RP)
Post by: Demion Samenel on 24 Feb 2014, 08:32
Thank you  :D
Title: Re: Fourth District (Caldari RP)
Post by: PracticalTechnicality on 24 Feb 2014, 11:25
Would you be the man to contact about moving into the area?  i am doing a quick feasibility study of Providence as a place for MITG pilots to familiarise themselves with null and NRDS as a policy compared to the usual scoot and shoot that many were used to previously, and 4th seem to be making strides in building a home they seem willing to share. 

Congrats on this deployment, and I am looking forwards to possibly setting up a home from home with some fellow Caldari loyalists!
Title: Re: Fourth District (Caldari RP)
Post by: Demion Samenel on 24 Feb 2014, 12:09
Would you be the man to contact about moving into the area?  i am doing a quick feasibility study of Providence as a place for MITG pilots to familiarise themselves with null and NRDS as a policy compared to the usual scoot and shoot that many were used to previously, and 4th seem to be making strides in building a home they seem willing to share. 

Congrats on this deployment, and I am looking forwards to possibly setting up a home from home with some fellow Caldari loyalists!

I am that man yes, feel free to drop into 4THCOM
Title: Re: Fourth District (Caldari RP)
Post by: Makoto Priano on 25 Feb 2014, 13:51
http://kos.cva-eve.org/?q=Makoto+Priano :( ;)
Title: Re: Fourth District (Caldari RP)
Post by: Demion Samenel on 25 Feb 2014, 14:05
http://kos.cva-eve.org/?q=Makoto+Priano :( ;)

Yeah, for all its worth I tried to fix it at least for us, but diplomacy is funny sometimes and makes you do stuff against your will.
Title: Re: Fourth District (Caldari RP)
Post by: orange on 25 Feb 2014, 20:49
ohh don't mind me, i didnt knew the whole context....you got refinery and research already, was obvious to own an amarr factory.

Congratz on deploying the outpost  :D

We actually already had one of each.  If given a vote, I would probably push for a Caldari Outpost in 0B, for reasons.
Title: Re: Fourth District (Caldari RP)
Post by: PracticalTechnicality on 26 Feb 2014, 03:16
Having done a brief tour of Providence last night in an effort to kick off somewhat of a Feasibility study regarding null sec production/trade and sustainability, I have to say that the 4th guys were welcoming and polite.  NRDS policies tend to put me in a paranoid frame of mind, and my experiences of others holding to it informs me that I am not alone, but they appear to hold to it with good grace and a rare sense of fair play, making it somewhat easier for me to conform with rules of engagement that I am not naturally comfortable with. 

Providence is generally referred to derisively as 'junk space' but this is a relativistic fallacy.  Exploration is only incrementally less valuable than in deeper regions; it is true that local ore is lack lustre and the base pirate spawns are not the best there is, but fully upgraded systems still yield ample opportunities for those wishing to contribute to activity in the region, especially if they build relationships and harden themselves to the realities of null sec life.  I have personally discovered high rated DED complexes (when I get more numbers I will add to this post with specifics), as well as a lucrative escalation chain, all in one committed day of exploration. 

The unknown factor is the market.  I have had bad experiences previously, where demand was cited where it did not exist (market graphs are relatively useless in emerging markets, as there is not yet precedence to set expectation, and so somewhat apocryphal stories of perceived demand crop up as the only guiding element).  However, it seems that the years have forged Providence into a somewhat more active region economically, where the supply of materials from nearby high security space is evident, but the future of that market is still uncertain.  There is potential here, should someone be enterprising enough to make buying locally an attractive prospect - the protectionist philosophies of yesteryear seem to be dying out through nullsec as the strain of demand outstrips the production and purchase capabilities of the mercantile minded leadership elements of many alliances. 

For these reasons, MITG will be setting up a forward base, at the pleasure and sufferance of the 4th District, in the interests of gathering more data about productivity and profitability in this region.  It will also provide a pvp training opportunity for our small but enthusiastic body of part time pvpers, while providing enough PVE to supplement pay received for industrial work.  I would like to thank Demion for his supportive, friendly and concise breakdown of local laws and potential activities, and extend that thanks to other leading diplomatic elements of his organisation - they have all be forthcoming and welcoming of even the most probing questions. 

Pending a month of casual deployment, I would like to, with the permission of 4th (and their editorial input) publish a review of MITG's experiences and potentially put together a document detailing the issues surrounding full-chain production, should such be seen as viable, in a nullsec outpost, for outsiders.  It is my hope that through cooperation, and the use of resources and facilities so generously provided by our hosts, Providence may yet become an economically stable region at the consumer level; an extension of the civil stability that 4th and CVA have long developed. 
Title: Re: Fourth District (Caldari RP)
Post by: Demion Samenel on 26 Feb 2014, 13:34
Tell me what you need and I will do my best to make it happen.

I think Dex might have interest in this to  8)
Title: Re: Fourth District (Caldari RP)
Post by: Lyn Farel on 26 Feb 2014, 13:45
The time I spent in Providence in 2007, the market in 9UY was really impressive, lacking almost nothing and on average prices based on Amarr market. I have always thought that the region has potential, especially due to NRDS, for which without it, the market can only be artificially inflated, at best.
Title: Re: Fourth District (Caldari RP)
Post by: orange on 26 Feb 2014, 20:09
The time I spent in Providence in 2007, the market in 9UY was really impressive, lacking almost nothing and on average prices based on Amarr market. I have always thought that the region has potential, especially due to NRDS, for which without it, the market can only be artificially inflated, at best.

The mobility available from Jump Freighters makes connecting back to high-sec very straightforward.   While Amarr is a thriving finished goods market, even it has holes further down the production chain.

Tell me what you need and I will do my best to make it happen.

I think Dex might have interest in this to  8)

I would appreciate the opportunity to scrub it before any public release.
Title: Re: Fourth District (Caldari RP)
Post by: Demion Samenel on 26 Feb 2014, 20:36
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I would appreciate the opportunity to scrub it before any public release.

In my book you are master scrubber  8)
Title: Re: Fourth District (Caldari RP)
Post by: PracticalTechnicality on 27 Feb 2014, 03:18
I'd be happy to pass on any findings to you (Dex/Orange) and Demion prior to anything but the most casual public observation.  Polite, professional and productive is the aim here, I'll leave the journalism and paparazzi stuff to EN24 and TMDC :P. 

At present we're scraping a few killboards to see what local demand might be like and market scouting.  We will then be moving on to getting a few of our corporations to set up jump clones in the area and begin exploration in earnest.  Just as I pride myself on AWEX- being founded on the basis of being a 'fair pay provider, industrial/trade CEO generator', I see the conditions in Providence as being conducive to the maturation of young alliances into battle hardened pragmatists who can balance the need for aggression with a healthy respect for their peers contributing to the civility and productivity of the region.  I do hope you all take pride in that being my first thought when it comes to Providence - I am sure that others feel the same way. 

I'll stop hijacking this thread (though I intended this to be a positive bump for your organisation) and close by reiterating what I opened with - any findings we make and intend for public release in any medium will be passed into the hands of our gracious hosts so that they can check that they are not being misrepresented. 
Title: Re: Fourth District (Caldari RP)
Post by: Demion Samenel on 01 Mar 2014, 07:53
As I´m working to give more structure to 4TH I have updated the alliance description in-game. Hopefully it will ad a more clear picture of 4TH.

THE FOURTH DISTRICT

“That is what the Fourth District is. Not a declaration of future conquests, but a intimate intertwining of our fates with those of our homeland and its people. A recognition of the fact that where we are and where we are going did not form out of whole cloth, but that it is built on thousands of years of history, struggle, and sacrifice; a debt that we must honor if we are to live honestly. It is the essence of the Caldari spirit. It is a place in the heart of every man and woman that serves.” - excerpt from the Fourth District charter.

The Primary focus of the Fourth District is the perseverance of the Caldari State and its way of life. The alliance, to the best of its capabilities, supports State activities authorized by the CEP. 

The Fourth District was created as a central organization for State supporters, loyalist and nationalists, to consolidate their efforts to better serve and defend the State. All member corporations maintain sovereignty over their members and their corporation, as long as actions conducted by member corporation and its members adhere to Alliance guidelines. CEOs and appointed Directors constitute the Allied Command, which in turn functions as the governing body of the alliance. The Fourth District also provides the State with support outside of Caldari space, where the State's regular elements cannot act.

Currently the Alliance maintains a Caldari enclave and operates in Providence region, where Fourth District follows NRDS (Not Red Don't Shoot) and anti-pirate rules of engagement. This includes empire space, Providence, and related sectors. Any corporation that wishes to make use of alliance controlled space are welcomed to do so under the jurisdiction and protection from the Fourth District, as long as they abide by the rules set forth by Fourth District and the Providence KOS list.

Public channel: 4THCOM

Persons of interest

Alliance Executor: Trony
Alliance Executive Officer: Demion Samenel
Diplomatic Director: Demion Samenel
Military Director: Ladel Teravada
Title: Re: Fourth District (Caldari RP)
Post by: Demion Samenel on 28 Jan 2015, 00:20
CAIN promo video just for the fun and shininess   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgacm1uHVig (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgacm1uHVig)
Title: Re: Fourth District (Caldari RP)
Post by: Laerise [PIE] on 25 Aug 2015, 09:14
Bump for justice, if you want to go caldari go CAIN. :)