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General Discussion => General Non-RP EVE Discussion => Topic started by: Akrasjel Lanate on 21 Oct 2011, 03:25
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Here https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=219333#post219333
Let me give you guys a little more information on what is coming. Starting next week we will be producing a series of 'In Development' video blogs which will look at what the various teams are planning for Winter 2011. I want to stress that these videos will not contain release dates as we are aiming to provide a lot of stuff and do not want to commit to a date we cannot keep. These will include:
Engine trails - Yes, that's right we are adding engine trails to EVE and we will show the work in progress so far.
New ships - Recently we featured a shot of the Tornado, the Deviant Art contest winner, on the EVE Facebook page. We were not happy with just giving out one ship so we will be showcasing all four new ships.
New nebulae - These new background sin the EVE universe are stunningly beautiful and will add to the immersion and feeling of being in deep space.
Team BFF - This team should be Best Features Fullstop and CCP Soundwave will give an overview of what his team has in store. Capital ship balancing, balancing hybrids, assault ships bonuses and much more will be added during winter.
Customer Relations - The Lead GM's will talk about changes to how petitions are handled, more options for Stuck petitions and how we aim to deal with your issues as fast as possible.
We are not just going to stop there. We will bring you more video blogs about what is in development for EVE Online.
Tornado Devblog - http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=3001
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Read this sitting in a lecture. Got some funny looks when I cheered.
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Here https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=219333#post219333
assault ships bonuses
FUCK. YES.
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FUCK. YES.
Except the tornado that i still dislike the design's originality (upside down minmatar myrmidon with exact same shapes).
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Except the tornado that i still dislike the design's originality (upside down minmatar myrmidon with exact same shapes).
And spray-on rust tones.
The Myrmidon is a fine-looking ship. While the Tornado design was clearly in the top handful of entries to the competition, it does feel kinda derivative, Gallente-influenced, and as though it's flying backwards.
... so I guess we'll need to make some story to explain all that. I wonder which company will get to develop it and whether they'll have been working together with the Gallente on FW things.
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Talos - http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=3014
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New Nebulas and the new Raven model - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kBAWayqELU
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Came expecting horrible symmetrical Raven, left pleasantly surprised.
Also Freelancer-style location based nebulae for the win. I really cannot wait for this.
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Well, that was the same raven as we have currently. I highly doubt its the new one (yet). It is basically the old model we see on this vid. After all the guy was still working on it.
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Look closer, guys, that Raven already had a new pair of engines... :P
I really hope though that the Raven only recieves a minor facelift. I think it's already looking awesome.
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I guess I'm the only one who'd like to seem them do with the Raven what they did with the Scorpion, huh? >>
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It will look considerably different when the Raven has the "version 3" upgrade that the Scorpion and Maller will have. And apparently they intend to give all ships that upgrade.
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It will look considerably different when the Raven has the "version 3" upgrade that the Scorpion and Maller will have. And apparently they intend to give all ships that upgrade.
Not sure I like this idea - not all ships needs a facelift - The Rax, Vexor, Myrm and many, many others look damn good allready, but then stuff like Dominixes, Hyperions and others could do with an update. Right now, I'm hoping that if they facelift the domi they make it sleeker and longer, as opposed to bigger and more condensed, so to say.
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Just don't touch the Brutix. Oh mah gawd.
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Interesting. Looking forawrd to the new Raven, it can't be much more worse looking than the steel mill accident it's now. Hopefully they will do they re-do the Dominix soon.
PS. Leave my Hyperion alone, it looks awesome.
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PS. Leave my Hyperion alone, it looks awesome.
Hyperion needs a retexture/patch up at the very least. It has a seam down the middle which looks awful. I swear they swapped the Trinity models out of shoddier versions at some point.
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As I said to someone else on OOC vent, there will be some ships they likely won't completely rebuild from the ground up. The tier 2 battleships are part of those ships. Considering they are some of the most recognizable ships in EVE, and there are even models being sold of them... I doubt they'll be made to look much different than they are now.
Imagine the backlash if the Apocalypse suddenly looked totally different? Or the Megathron?
No. while all ships will recieve a brand new model, some of them will receive models that strongly resemble the old models. As bad as the Tempest and Raven look, I think I can stand behind CCP if they decide to never deviate from that 'classic' design, but instead just upgrade the quality of the design by using more polygons and better textures.
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Honestly, as an artist myself, I do not understand the (artistical) reasoning behind all these remodelings. It just seems like they are not happy because some of these ships are not to their taste or something.
Who cares about tastes ffs ? It is about artistic coherence and credibility, as much as aesthetical justifications. What is the problem with the raven ? I fail to see one. Maybe its ugly, but artistically, IT IS NOT. If we only designed good looking stuff we would end up with no ugly fat characters, no shantytown environnements, no trashes, no garbage, nothing "ugly". And yet, you can perfectly design ugly things and make them beautiful artistically. That is one of the basics of artistic direction.
I can understand why they redesigned the scorpion, but I fail to understand for example why they changed it so much. What was outdated was not the design itself, but its rendering that was too... "simple / not really polished". They could have redesigned it without changing everything, even if I love the new model. Artistically it just does not make any sense. I hope that they will do like Kat says for the Raven, it just does not need to be changed. What they did for example on the maller was good : they upgraded it without totally changing it for a whim.
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The new Raven seems to have your thoughts in mind.
Not too vast a change.
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I was under the impression that the reason for remaking the models was that the new stuff (T3, Scorpion, Primae, etc) are made with a different approach to shading and texturing that allows for easy implementation of special skins and corp logos, which the old Trinity 2.0 method doesn't support.
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I'd say they new models also have something to do with the new turrets looking a bit out of place and oversized for some turret mounts on a few of the smaller ships. So might just be updating them to make if all merge together better.
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I am currently quite worried about these new battlecruisers. One of them in particular.
The Talos (currently) is getting a tracking bonus and a 90% web? This may be aimed at killing big stuff, but that is going to absolutely ruin frigates.
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I am currently quite worried about these new battlecruisers. One of them in particular.
The Talos (currently) is getting a tracking bonus and a 90% web? This may be aimed at killing big stuff, but that is going to absolutely ruin frigates.
I thought 90% web would only help vs frigates if it has lots of drones and/or anti-frigate fleetmembers, since its still large guns, which don't hit frigates at close range at all well ?
if it was using normal cruiser size guns, it would be a lot more dangerous to frigates, yes ?
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I am currently quite worried about these new battlecruisers. One of them in particular.
The Talos (currently) is getting a tracking bonus and a 90% web? This may be aimed at killing big stuff, but that is going to absolutely ruin frigates.
I thought 90% web would only help vs frigates if it has lots of drones and/or anti-frigate fleetmembers, since its still large guns, which don't hit frigates at close range at all well ?
if it was using normal cruiser size guns, it would be a lot more dangerous to frigates, yes ?
90% speed reduction combined with a close range weapon system that is getting an inherent tracking buff.
It will not be as accurate cruiser fire, but it will be damn close: it's not hard to hit frigates moving at snails pace.
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Would love to see it snag a vagabond or a cynabal though. Preferably not one I'm flying ;)
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I am currently quite worried about these new battlecruisers. One of them in particular.
The Talos (currently) is getting a tracking bonus and a 90% web? This may be aimed at killing big stuff, but that is going to absolutely ruin frigates.
I thought 90% web would only help vs frigates if it has lots of drones and/or anti-frigate fleetmembers, since its still large guns, which don't hit frigates at close range at all well ?
if it was using normal cruiser size guns, it would be a lot more dangerous to frigates, yes ?
Oh, and while we're on the subject, as well as the 90% web it (currently) has drones as well?! Wtf ccp, I hope they changes this.
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Well, the thing to remember is that these are glass cannons. So while they might ruin frigs, they'll die horribly to anything that can outrange them. Not that frigs needed anything else that is good at killing them :(
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Well, the thing to remember is that these are glass cannons. So while they might ruin frigs, they'll die horribly to anything that can outrange them. Not that frigs needed anything else that is good at killing them :(
Yeah. Unfortunately, Oracle and Tornado (currently) have stupidly long ranges and good tracking. So there's not a whole lot that will out range them. (I think someone worked out that an all lvl5 tornado with 2 te's and barrage will have 80km+ falloff).
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(http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/c0ldfire/crystalball.JPG)
People really need to take a good, long look at that picture, and remember that not only are the numbers they're bitching/cheering about are from Chaos - an internal development server - and not the public test server Singularity, the numbers are extremely likely to have changed before we actually get to play with anything on Sisi, and all the pissing and moaning is wasted air.
Not to mention that the normal development procedure for these things goes something like this:
1) Decide what type of changes you want to make. Not how strong you want to make the changes, but just what kind of changes.
2) Make the changes in a ridiculously overpowered fashion. This is done so that any new results from testing can be easily pinpointed to the new changes, and not to the status quo. For example: 90% web on Talos, Destroyer tweaks, T2 ammo changes, etc.)
3) Based on actual results and testing, as well as useful forum feedback - that is, not crystal-ball-induced tears - slowly tweak the changes back down to reasonable levels over repeated rounds of testing.
4) Release.
While it's true that CCP often doesn't follow that route, instead releasing things in a half- to mostly-overpowered state, and then nerfing it later via lolpatcher patches, given the apparent attitude turnaround by CCP, perhaps a little bit of the benefit of the doubt is in order? Because really, I'm getting tired of hearing people going "OMG X TYPE OF PVP IS GOING TO DIE BECAUSE OF Y CHANGES I HAVE NO MORE REASON TO GO ON PLAYING THE GAME" about it.
Internal development server. Changes and values are not set in stone. Wait until you see things on the test server before QQing.
Please.
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Above being why I added (currently) to everyone of my posts. I know they're likely to change, I just really hope they do :psyccp:
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90% speed reduction combined with a close range weapon system that is getting an inherent tracking buff.
It will not be as accurate cruiser fire, but it will be damn close: it's not hard to hit frigates moving at snails pace.
You'd be surprised. AB frigates won't have any problem, non-AB frigs will have some problems.
The greatest danger lies in the speed difference. If the frig is effectively slower than the new BC when webbed, then it won't be able to make use of the transversal/small sig combination against a smart BC pilot. However, this is all theoretical 1vs1 stuff. What we should be looking at is how to abuse the new BC (preferably in coordinate blobs)
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Considering that I saw a fit for the Tornado last night using the initual stats that could do 1k DPS at up to 70km while go 3 km/s... yeah. The current stats are very OP, and very likely to be changed.
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Wait, you mean the Talos won't simply be a more expensive, less flexible, and less-tanky (is this even possible?) brutix?
Someone call the nerfpolice.
People should try flying gallente ships before demanding they be nerfed. Having 20% of the engagement envelope of every other race in the game is more than enough counterbalance to whatever advantages the Talos ship bonuses will bring it.
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Wait, you mean the Talos won't simply be a more expensive, less flexible, and less-tanky (is this even possible?) brutix?
Someone call the nerfpolice.
People should try flying gallente ships before demanding they be nerfed. Having 20% of the engagement envelope of every other race in the game is more than enough counterbalance to whatever advantages the Talos ship bonuses will bring it.
I fly Enyos :) I love gallente ships, but seriously, right now the Talos is overpowered.
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Wait, you mean the Talos won't simply be a more expensive, less flexible, and less-tanky (is this even possible?) brutix?
Someone call the nerfpolice.
People should try flying gallente ships before demanding they be nerfed. Having 20% of the engagement envelope of every other race in the game is more than enough counterbalance to whatever advantages the Talos ship bonuses will bring it.
I fly Enyos :) I love gallente ships, but seriously, right now the Talos is overpowered.
Angel ships have been overpowered for the last 2 years.
Every race deserves a period in the sunshine.
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Wait, you mean the Talos won't simply be a more expensive, less flexible, and less-tanky (is this even possible?) brutix?
Someone call the nerfpolice.
People should try flying gallente ships before demanding they be nerfed. Having 20% of the engagement envelope of every other race in the game is more than enough counterbalance to whatever advantages the Talos ship bonuses will bring it.
I fly Enyos :) I love gallente ships, but seriously, right now the Talos is overpowered.
What facts can you demonstrate to prove this fact? :P
Brutixes sell for 18 million. These ships will be in the 40 million isk range. Assuming quantity of pilots is not possible what advantages will the Talos have that justifies investing in one over two brutixes? The two brutixes, properly gank fit, can do more dps, with more tank. Only difference might be speed, or webs.
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Cost as a balancing mechanism...where have we heard that before...
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Cost as a balancing mechanism...where have we heard that before...
Gallente can never be allowed to be OP, nerf it... I've heard that before as well.
And that is assumiing I agree on the whole 'talos is op' whine. I don't. As things stand now it will be an under-performing no-range blaster boat with no tank or a glass-cannon rail boat with insufficent damage and tracking. If it actually ends up working SO WELL that it's widely regarded as op I'll laugh myself silly for the five minutes it will take CCP to nerf it to 'never-flies-again' status.
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Cost as a balancing mechanism...where have we heard that before...
Because I didn't mention any other objective, quantifiable pieces of data in my post as to why the Talos has no significant advantages over other ships in this class/role.
Flying blaster battleships, of which there are three in the game, is an extraordinarily frustrating process. Your dps is crap at almost every range besides point blank, but if you are engaging a target with anything less than scram, and 2 webs effective on it, you do less dps than most battlecruisers due to the number of misses you incur.
If one was to create a ship class that uses battleship class weapons, and didn't have any interest in remarkably improving the performance of the heavier blaster battleships, while still allowing this new class to be effective in its niche, designated role, then the web bonus and ship hull velocity is mandatory, as without it is nearly impossible to maintain that close range to be effective.
The Talos will be popular in gatecamps, and I can see where this might incur some angst from other pilots. However, other Tier 3's will be effective Talos counters, such as artillery Tornados, Naga snipers, or Beam/Pulse Oracles. the talos will be utterly defenseless against a long-range assault; how is this not an effective counter?
I thought the line was that if a ship class's only counter was more of that ship class, then it was overpowered/unbalanced. That is clearly not the case here, as any number of shiptypes are effective in countering the Talos short-range superiority.
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"Have you ever noticed that their stuff is shit and your shit is stuff?"
~ George Carlin
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Wait, you mean the Talos won't simply be a more expensive, less flexible, and less-tanky (is this even possible?) brutix?
Someone call the nerfpolice.
People should try flying gallente ships before demanding they be nerfed. Having 20% of the engagement envelope of every other race in the game is more than enough counterbalance to whatever advantages the Talos ship bonuses will bring it.
I fly Enyos :) I love gallente ships, but seriously, right now the Talos is overpowered.
Angel ships have been overpowered for the last 2 years.
Every race deserves a period in the sunshine.
I agree with this statement so much that I want to hug it. The Talos will finally be a worthwhile option for Gallente pilots who have been flying Winmatar ships. About time we had something that was Best in Show.
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Hybrid Weapon Boost (http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=3012)
Note the general speed boost to the Gallente hulls (and the Falcon & Cormorant), it may not be all of them.
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Poor freighters... Welcome to the new griefer tools, faster lock time, cheaper, BS guns = success.
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Poor freighters... Welcome to the new griefer tools, faster lock time, cheaper, BS guns = success.
Not for a week or so, while the prices drops to something reasonable.
Also Catalyst is the new Brutix:
[Catalyst, Catalyst fit]
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
1MN Afterburner II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Hobgoblin II x1
"fuck tank! roemy! just probe that bitch with your scimitar and give me a warp-in! i'll just dispose of any dangerous drones..."
526dps before imps or any other shenanigans
i'm giggling irl somehow
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Woop woop, my RP-OCD will no longer twitch over being a Gallente RPer while flying Minmatar.
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Second dev video blog is out here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J42F4WkeFQ4&feature=channel_video_title
I think we get to see the Amarrian and Caldari BCs tht are coming out. If it is the Amarrian one, then its:
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I've always wanted to do that. :twisted:
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Looks like the amarr oracle will look much like that highly popular Amarr BS design that did not win the DA contest - I got to say I'm glad to see they picked one of the good options, but personally I saw a couple others I liked better. Oh well, very good, as opposed to 'best' option is better than some of the less-than-nice designs they could have picked.
The Caldari Naga's shape (assuming it's going to remain relatively unchanged from what I saw in that vid AND that that was indeed the naga's basic shape) is going to be fucking horrible though, seem to be based on another design I think I saw in the DA contest, but I may well be wrong on this. Seems like they take a leaf from that half of Caldari engineering ideas that are more bizzare than good, ala Caracal, BlackBird and the like. Still, oppinions differ and I'm sure plenty of others will love it.
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Naga looks like some proper Earth-type brick warships to me. It's a good mix between symmetrical, utilitarian, and a bit off center in some places. It's perfect to me.
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It's the Ascog.
All of the Tier 3's have been contest winners/runners up. Props to CCP to listening to playerbase.
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=295391#post295391 (https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=295391#post295391)
:D
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Looks good.
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and while I'm poasting links
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=3035 (http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=3035)
Oracle.
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and while I'm poasting links
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=3035 (http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=3035)
Oracle.
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picture of pretty ship with disclaimer
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PICTURE OF EPIC LULZ (http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/2791/3035/CrystalBall2.jpg)
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picture of pretty ship
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Thats pretty much what I thought :s
No content in that at all xD
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.....aaand time to change my pants.
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The Oracle design reminds me of the Reapers in Mass Effect. Creepy. :eek: