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Title: Status(Amarr Empire)
Post by: Akrasjel Lanate on 28 May 2011, 01:07
I was wondering how high position in Amarr society can a person achieve, taking in account few thing and that he is:
- True Amarr
- Ni-Kunni or Khanid
- Free Minmatar(from the day of his birth)
- Ex-slave Minmatar, Ni-kunni or other
- Foreigner from Federation or State(im specially interested at this one  ;) )

Does the Amarr religion plays a big factor in it.

Title: Re: Status(Amarr Empire)
Post by: Louella Dougans on 28 May 2011, 01:21
True Amarr would depend on their family background as nobility/commoners. Commoners can be granted a minor noble title by the relevant superiors (Heirs etc.) for righteous service. Minor nobles may also be elevated, or may plot and scheme with marriages into higher social ranks.

The head of the Amarr Navy is a Ni-Kunni.

Don't know about Khanid offhand.

Free minmatar would be commoners. Not sure what opportunities would be present. However, the Ammatar Fleet has minmatar officers.

Ex-slaves and foreigners probably would be commoners. It's then all about wealth and social manoeuvring as to their effective position. Wealth and Influence make up for non-noble titles, that sort of thing.

Title: Re: Status(Amarr Empire)
Post by: Seriphyn on 28 May 2011, 02:53
Unlike the State, I expect foreigners in the Empire to be given an easier time, though they are monitored by the Ministry of Internal Order.

The current Federation Head Senator was educated at Hedion University, I always imagined rich Gallenteans going there.
Title: Re: Status(Amarr Empire)
Post by: Lyn Farel on 28 May 2011, 03:28
The Amarr Navy wants you (http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Amarr_navy).

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Despite this black mark to the Navy's record, it remains a powerful fleet inside the Empire. Citizens with military records are held in high regard in Amarr culture, and families with a long history of military service elevate themselves within Amarr society. The Navy offers one of the few ways that someone can raise themselves from poverty. The fleet is remarkably non-discriminatory for an Amarr institution, accepting personnel from all bloodlines. Many people of Udorian, Ni-Kunni, and even Minmatar birth have served with distinction within the Navy.

Everyone can ascend the social ladder by taking part in the navy just because it is central to the amarrian society (its a symbol). Even minmatars and so on can get high ranks in the navy, even if they will obviously face a lot of hardships and difficulties for it. Eventually, I am not sure if it can lead to a commoner (especially a foreigner) to get a minor Holder title at some point, but I am quite sure it can happen, because despite their origins, freed slaves or foreign commoners having lived with their families for decades in the Empire are imperial citizens.
Title: Re: Status(Amarr Empire)
Post by: Sinjin Mokk on 28 May 2011, 09:57
A Person of Khanid blood would probably be slightly ahead of the pecking order than a Ni-Kunni. A Udorian would be at the bottom.

However, Khanid who are born, raised and support the Kingdom, would be a step or two lower and may face some degree of predjudice at the hands of "True" Amarr. Khanid Navy ranks would be equal to Imperial Navy ranks, but a Khanid officer would be marginalized in many situations. For example, a True Amarr lieutennant might be offered the command of a captured vessel instead of a Khanid captain.

Social status would also depend on which House or Heir is currently the most successful. Kor Azor vs Tash Murkon for example.

Religeous rank is a factor also.

Slaves would also have a social structure among themselves too, I'd imagine.

Capsuleers are the fly in the ointment. I'd think that they would all have some kind of "rock star" status among the commoners and lower nobility. Higher nobility might resent their quick rise to power and try to boss them around based on secular or temporal status. ("I don't care how long you've been an infomorph boy, you're still in the presence of the fifth Duke of Osris and you will act accordingly.")

Title: Re: Status(Amarr Empire)
Post by: Saede Riordan on 28 May 2011, 10:11
I see the Amarr empire's rank system as basically mirroring that of the Victorian era british empire. At the top of the system are the nobles, whose position is granted by god and empire, they who have a 'proper breeding' it would be seen as highly scandalous for them to wed someone of lower status. This would continue down the social totem poll until it hit the commoners. the commoners would be lower on the pecking order, regardless or race, wealth, or upbringing. It doesn't matter who they are, or where they come from, or how much cash they have, they aren't a part of the societal elite, and their social mobility is almost never going to put them inside that noble class. This would lead to a sort of dichotomy, of 'old power' and 'new wealth' with those two groups competing for interests.
Title: Re: Status(Amarr Empire)
Post by: Ken on 28 May 2011, 10:50
I don't think race has much to do with it unless the person you're asking is a member of an elite noble house very conscious of its True Amarrian ancestry.  The Tash-Murkons are Udorians and are technically in a position to take the throne at any time should Jamyl expire.  Keep in mind that even the purest True Amarrian can fall into slavery for sin and many races have over time risen to great heights of power in the Empire.

This is how I see the society being structured in terms of status:

God
Emperor
Imperial Heirs
Holders\Theology Council
Minor Nobles\High Administrators\Senior Clergy
Officers\Civil Servants\Priesthood (semi-noble Imperial servants)
Soldiers\Merchants\Technical Experts (the wealthy tier of commoners)
Artisans\Skilled Labor (doing well, but still generations away from greatness)
Free Commoners (risen from the ranks, but not going very far) Free Commoners
Corvee Servants (not slaves, just working on "indefinite indenture") Corvee Servants
Slave Gentry Slave Gentry Slave Gentry (more servant than slave)  Slave Gentry Slave Gentry Slave Gentry
Slave Labor Slave Labor Slave  (slaves worth keeping alive, healthy, and breeding)  Labor Slave Labor Slave Labor
Chattel Slaves Chattel Slaves Chattel Slaves Chattel Slaves  (whips, chains, vitoc, and dangerous mining duty)  Chattel Slaves Chattel Slaves Chattel Slaves Chattel Slaves

Foreigners, in the sense of modern people coming to the empire for travel or business, would probably be treated with due suspicion but also a good deal of respect and hospitality.  Those who chose to make a living in the Empire would probably fall into the Artisans\Skilled Labor or perhaps even the Solders\Merchants\Technical Experts tiers on the above diagram.

Capsuleers are a strange creature.  Where they fall into this scheme would depend on their status from pre-capsuleer days.  Were they of military origin?  Noble?  Wealthy commoners?  In some sense I imagine that a pilot's social status would not change even though they occupy a drastically different place in life once those implants go in and ships start flying.  A pilot from a minor house would perhaps still be expected to show due respect to his or her family's liege or else risk causing trouble for kin and risking the family's good name.  I imagine that outside the pyramid-shaped thing described above there might be satellite social groups that stand apart from the strata for one reason or another.  Perhaps a certain class of priests like the Speakers of Truth or modern capsuleer pilots would be ranked in such non-rankable space and perpetually treated with "kid gloves" by all levels of mainstream Imperial society.
Title: Re: Status(Amarr Empire)
Post by: Sinjin Mokk on 28 May 2011, 23:32
I think the last two pretty much hit it dead-on. British Victorian/Edwardian era with a dash of pre-revolution French aristocracy.

Capsuleers might also be something of a fad too. The greater families might pull strings to get a family member or two into a capsuleer program while all the best parties would have a capsuleer there as a conversation piece.

One note though. From what I've read I think the Speakers of Truth would fit in somewhere in the same tier as the heirs. They seem to be pretty much above everyone.
Title: Re: Status(Amarr Empire)
Post by: Tiberious Thessalonia on 28 May 2011, 23:47
I've pretty much handled Tib's past that way.  His family were wealthy commoners, and they could play politics within that class, while they worked towards earning their way to something more.  Tib was enrolled in a capsuleer academy, with the knowledge that it was a double edged sword.  On one hand, its quite prestigious and it was expected to make the family quite wealthy and famous, but along with that would come quite a bit of infamy.
Title: Re: Status(Amarr Empire)
Post by: Matariki Rain on 29 May 2011, 01:29
From what I've read I think the Speakers of Truth would fit in somewhere in the same tier as the heirs. They seem to be pretty much above everyone.

I think of them as more like auditors than part of the usual structure.
Title: Re: Status(Amarr Empire)
Post by: lallara zhuul on 29 May 2011, 03:06
You don't enroll to a capsuleer training program.

The genetic flaw is detected, you get shanghaied into the program.
Each and every society has their way of dealing with it through cultural means.
In more nationality minded societies its the ultimate duty to the God/State/Tribe/Federation.
In the more individual minded societies its the epitome of personal development that makes you super duper extra special.

In each of the empires you think you have a choice, but your upbringing and the people around pretty much force you into the capsuleer program.

You're literally one in a million that can tip the scales of power in your empires favor when it comes to the power games between the factions.

Amarrians would probably have the most capsuleers, but they do not even test those that are not high enough in the societal hierarchy to be socialized enough to not run off to join their enemies.
Unfortunately at the moment is seems like those that are in charge of selecting the capsuleer material from the masses have failed phenomenally, most of the capsuleers from the Empire are corrupted by the other factions and their ideologies. Too bad that the Empire reacts so slowly, something will be done about this trend, but it will probably take a few centuries for it to actually come into effect.

At the moment within the Empire you religious status is meaningless, your piety, following the Scriptures, dedication of your life to God... completely meaningless.

Only status you can gain through religious means is through tradition and the hierarchy set in the traditions of the Empire, at the moment CCP is happy to paint the Empire as a place where everyone knows that the whole religion is a hoax and even the religious authorities do not follow their own rules.

Only exceptions to this are the few religious orders that we're around before the Moral Reforms, the Apostles, the Tetrimon and the Speakers of Truth. The religious masses (the poor fools) still give these people authority because there are hundreds of billions of people that believe in them.

The race thing... It is a big thing.

Not because of racism, it is because your bloodline shows how long you and yours have been in the service of the God and the Empire. Partially it is the indicator of how much you can trust for the person that you are dealing with to work in the same framework of societal rules, partially it is about getting ahead in the Empire. A natural way to strengthen your family is to marry among your peers or to a higher standing within the Empire. Outsiders and those bloodlines that have been freed from slavery 'recently' compared to bloodlines that have been in the service of the Empire for 15000 years have that marriage thing taken off the table immediately.

Comparing the Khanid and Udorians is a bit hard.
Udorians have been integrated into the True Amarrian bloodline, while the Khanid are a separate bloodline of their own.
Khanid were Reclaimed while Udorians were integrated.
It's a bit of a muddle.

Enough of rambling my views, better go get some breakfast.
Title: Re: Status(Amarr Empire)
Post by: Mithfindel on 29 May 2011, 17:20
Surely Khanid were integrated, and Udorians Reclaimed?

In any case, I'd assume that piety in itself doesn't matter (for a good enough actor, no one can know the "level of faith"). However, since church bureaucracy = Imperial bureaucracy, the person's position in the church is almost as important as his secular "caste". There's likely glass ceilings ("you have to be a noble to become a bishop") and so on, but I'd assume that serving the Faith well might be able to elevate a person into a higher caste. (Yes, even make one a Heir, if you happen to belong to high nobility and your house happens to be named "Ardishapur".)

Of course, this means that the Church is a battleground. A monastery is not a place where noble families send their black sheep to be out of eyes, out of mind. The smartest child might be prepared to take care of the family property, but the next-smartest is going to be either a soldier or a priest and an important piece in the Great Game the Holders play. There likely are a great number of religious orders, some of which may grant specific rights and privileges - for example, if your grand-grandson sits two rows ahead of the rival family's whelp in the service, holding that big candle, he might get to speak with higher-ranking people. Assuming he doesn't end up as their little plaything and dead, might secure your family a mighty patron (and some money). Or possibly both, where the family gets some favours from the Holder for whom the kid with the bad luck died for.
Title: Re: Status(Amarr Empire)
Post by: Ulphus on 29 May 2011, 17:28
In each of the empires you think you have a choice, but your upbringing and the people around pretty much force you into the capsuleer program.

You're literally one in a million that can tip the scales of power in your empires favor when it comes to the power games between the factions.

So why do they let the pilots have a choice about their alliegances? Why don't they keep tabs on them more, exert more control?

From the Epic Arc "Call to Trial" mission
"I want you to go out there, meet Taphos, and kill him in combat. We've shut off access to his clones, so he won't be coming back."

Which suggests that for NPCs at least, people who are irritating enough can have access to clones revoked...

So why don't they do that to PCs?
Title: Re: Status(Amarr Empire)
Post by: Casiella on 29 May 2011, 20:46
Because of Bellisario's Maxim, of course! ;)
Title: Re: Status(Amarr Empire)
Post by: Yoshito Sanders on 30 May 2011, 21:15
Surely Khanid were integrated, and Udorians Reclaimed?

Ethnic Udorians don't exist any more, while Khanid do. The Udorians are indistinguishable from True Amarrians. Separating the Udorians from the True Amarrians would be a little bit like trying to separate the pre-historical tribes of Italy from modern Italians. Essentially the only reason it ever gets brought up is because the Empire has great record keeping, especially for its more prominent families. So if 10000 years ago, your ancestor married an Udorian, well, it's written down in the Book of Names or whatever.
Title: Re: Status(Amarr Empire)
Post by: Mithfindel on 31 May 2011, 01:37
Surely Khanid were integrated, and Udorians Reclaimed?

Ethnic Udorians don't exist any more, while Khanid do. The Udorians are indistinguishable from True Amarrians. Separating the Udorians from the True Amarrians would be a little bit like trying to separate the pre-historical tribes of Italy from modern Italians. Essentially the only reason it ever gets brought up is because the Empire has great record keeping, especially for its more prominent families. So if 10000 years ago, your ancestor married an Udorian, well, it's written down in the Book of Names or whatever.

Yes, I am aware. More on the likes that Khanid came willingly to become a part of the Amarr Empire, whereas the Udorians had the Amarrians come into their land with a few thousand Paladins and ask nicely if they wanted to be part of the Empire?

Interesting thought on the Khanid there, though: What if the Khanid homeland was never, in fact, fully taken, but instead they joined as allies, had an Amarr heir to lead them via marriage or somesuch and ended up as a protectorate, little by little eroding as a nation and becoming a de facto part of the Empire, even if de jure they would be only in some kind of a personal union. With the Reclaiming of Athra completed, the Emperor claims that the Empire rules over all the known world, and de jure the Empire is the entire planet - even when the Khanid, while ruled by Amarr nobility, are practically still their own nation. This would partially handwave the part why Udorians are essentially assimilated to True Amarr, but Khanid are still Khanid.
Title: Re: Status(Amarr Empire)
Post by: Lyn Farel on 31 May 2011, 02:52
Like for the Ammatar ? New question of the day : can the current Ammatar Mandate status be considered as an earlier version of the Khanid space ?
Title: Re: Status(Amarr Empire)
Post by: lallara zhuul on 31 May 2011, 03:33
No.

Khanid were reclaimed before they got any holdings outside of Athra.

Also Ammatar Mandate exists as a bufferzone between the Empire and the Republic, therefore it even exists. If there would not be a need for it, there would not have been need for the Ammatar. Of course all the PF related to the whole thing is pretty sketchy (bravo CCP.)
Title: Re: Status(Amarr Empire)
Post by: Rodj Blake on 31 May 2011, 04:30
Surely Khanid were integrated, and Udorians Reclaimed?

Ethnic Udorians don't exist any more, while Khanid do. The Udorians are indistinguishable from True Amarrians. Separating the Udorians from the True Amarrians would be a little bit like trying to separate the pre-historical tribes of Italy from modern Italians. Essentially the only reason it ever gets brought up is because the Empire has great record keeping, especially for its more prominent families. So if 10000 years ago, your ancestor married an Udorian, well, it's written down in the Book of Names or whatever.

That's debatable.

Just because there is no Udorian bloodline in the gane, it doesn't follow that there are no Udorians at all.

Indeed, the Tash-Murkon family are still considered to be Udorians rather than Amarrian.
Title: Re: Status(Amarr Empire)
Post by: Lyn Farel on 31 May 2011, 10:43
No.

Khanid were reclaimed before they got any holdings outside of Athra.

Uh so, Mithfindel is wrong ? Do we have any sources clarifying that (if they were allies before reclaimed or not) ?
Title: Re: Status(Amarr Empire)
Post by: Louella Dougans on 31 May 2011, 10:45
I wrote a story which mentioned a difference between True Amarr and Udorians. <.< >.>
Title: Re: Status(Amarr Empire)
Post by: Mithfindel on 31 May 2011, 10:51
No.

Khanid were reclaimed before they got any holdings outside of Athra.

Uh so, Mithfindel is wrong ? Do we have any sources clarifying that (if they were allies before reclaimed or not) ?

Planet Athra is known as Amarr Prime, located in the solar system of Amarr. The current Khanid Kingdom is the holdings of the Khanid Family, and were a part of the Empire proper before king Khanid seceded.  Amarr conquered the entire planet Athra in AD 20544, at which point my theory-crafting would point that the Emperor would declare himself as the ruler of everything. In time, they spread to the stars. In AD 22762 the current king Khanid II seceded from the Empire, that's 2208 years later. So the current Khanid Kingdom is long removed from the Khanid homeland in Amarr Prime.

Edit: To clarify, Khanid Prime is not where the Khanid come from - they come from Athra/Amarr Prime. Khanid Prime is named for the Khanid Family, which itself took its name from the Khanid people. And Khanid Family are True Amarr. And if not confused enough - Khanid is just a nickname of the Khanid, meaning "little lords". Whatever they called themselves hasn't been recorded or the records have not survived to this day.

And another edit: I think the old Khanid bloodline description mentioned them joining willingly. The current status is ambiguous, the current description mentions "the Khanids were swept up by the nation of Amarr and the powerful message of their faith during the height of the original Reclaiming" and that they were "exalted members" of the Amarr society until the Khanid Family seceded. (It is clarified that the majority of Khanid seceded with their royal family.)
Title: Re: Status(Amarr Empire)
Post by: Lyn Farel on 31 May 2011, 11:05
Mh sorry I knew that, I just got confused with your message because I did not read the "What if the Khanid homeland was..." /facepalms
Title: Re: Status(Amarr Empire)
Post by: Louella Dougans on 31 May 2011, 11:07
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=469703

is a thread with some of the older PF thingies in it.

Mentions that the Khanid were some of the best soldiers in the Empire, long before the Empire went into space.
Title: Re: Status(Amarr Empire)
Post by: Mitara Newelle on 31 May 2011, 13:07
Unfortunately at the moment is seems like those that are in charge of selecting the capsuleer material from the masses have failed phenomenally, most of the capsuleers from the Empire are corrupted by the other factions and their ideologies. Too bad that the Empire reacts so slowly, something will be done about this trend, but it will probably take a few centuries for it to actually come into effect.

OMG, this :)
Title: Re: Status(Amarr Empire)
Post by: Yoshito Sanders on 31 May 2011, 13:56
That's debatable.

Just because there is no Udorian bloodline in the gane, it doesn't follow that there are no Udorians at all.

Indeed, the Tash-Murkon family are still considered to be Udorians rather than Amarrian.

Like I said, the Tash-Murkon are considered Udorians because they can trace back their family history and say "SEE! YOU'RE UDORIAN!" I can't remember where the quote originates, but the Wiki entry on Udorians preserves it. "The social and physical difference between the True Amarr and Udorians disappeared ages ago, but the traditionalists remember."

In other words, if you put a pureblood True Amarr and someone of Udorian ancestry in the same room, it would be nearly impossible to tell which was which. Maybe through genetic tests or through some minor differences, though it seems unlikely. And, in fact, it's only the "traditionalists" who remember. Granted, there are going to be tons more of them in the Empire than in the other states. But it seems likely to me that, essentially, a genetically pure Udorian bloodline no longer exists. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that the ethnicity only exists insofar as it is used to give social standing to families who don't have Udorian ancestry somewhere.
Title: Re: Status(Amarr Empire)
Post by: Silas Vitalia on 31 May 2011, 18:59
Great thread!

1. The Khanid bloodline were willing volunteers to join the original reclaiming on Athra. Joined willingly, became well-known ground soldiers, and cemented their place in the racial pecking order by helping the True-Amarr conquer Athra. After the Empire gained space, the true-Amarr heir and leader of the Khanid people were given/earned those systems that currently make up the Kingdom.  Much like the Tash-Murkon or Kor-Azor regions.

2. Udorians - from what I can tell the distinction only matters to those nobles that are paying attention.  IE many true-amarr are always going to look down their noses at any Tash-Murkons (for being Udorian, or for buying their way to Heir status).

3. We'd all do well to remember just how crushingly all-encompassing and strict the social hierarchy is in the Empire.  It generally takes decades/centuries for a family to move a few rungs up the ladder relative to their peers.  There are only a few 'fast track' methods to advance. 

The Imperial Navy seems to be one of the only institutions that allows some non-racial advancement up the ranks. I'd still imagine this to be -extremely- slow advancement.  Perhaps your great grandfather was an ensign, did his job well, and perhaps your grandfather got to move up a single rank due to that reputation, etc.  I have to imagine the ni-kunni's of high rank have had family members bearing the torch for many, many generations to get to those positions.   It's nothing remotely like the State or Federation where you could be rewarded and quickly rise based on things like performance.

Merchants/Money:  Tash-Murkons show that with enough time, money, and shrewd maneuvering that one can buy/bribe/marry their way to the top regardless of racial limitations.  I'd like to imagine after Khanid II left, with the chaos at a good chunk of the military suddenly gone and a disastrous effort to take his lands back, that Tash-Murkon donated / wrote some rather large checks to re-fund the navy and get defenses back in order.

Capsuleers? I think the jury is still out. I feel like with regards to any nobility or houses the capsuleers would probably be looked upon as great champions or figureheads, but would be kept under extremely tight leashes.  IE I don't see any ni-kunni capsuleers making a fortune on the market and buying themselves into heir status anytime soon. BUT I could see them buying themselves some minor titles/holdings and starting the ladder grind a few generations ahead of the game.



Title: Re: Status(Amarr Empire)
Post by: Rodj Blake on 01 Jun 2011, 08:34
No.

Khanid were reclaimed before they got any holdings outside of Athra.

Uh so, Mithfindel is wrong ? Do we have any sources clarifying that (if they were allies before reclaimed or not) ?

Planet Athra is known as Amarr Prime, located in the solar system of Amarr. The current Khanid Kingdom is the holdings of the Khanid Family, and were a part of the Empire proper before king Khanid seceded.  Amarr conquered the entire planet Athra in AD 20544, at which point my theory-crafting would point that the Emperor would declare himself as the ruler of everything. In time, they spread to the stars. In AD 22762 the current king Khanid II seceded from the Empire, that's 2208 years later. So the current Khanid Kingdom is long removed from the Khanid homeland in Amarr Prime.

Edit: To clarify, Khanid Prime is not where the Khanid come from - they come from Athra/Amarr Prime. Khanid Prime is named for the Khanid Family, which itself took its name from the Khanid people. And Khanid Family are True Amarr. And if not confused enough - Khanid is just a nickname of the Khanid, meaning "little lords". Whatever they called themselves hasn't been recorded or the records have not survived to this day.

And another edit: I think the old Khanid bloodline description mentioned them joining willingly. The current status is ambiguous, the current description mentions "the Khanids were swept up by the nation of Amarr and the powerful message of their faith during the height of the original Reclaiming" and that they were "exalted members" of the Amarr society until the Khanid Family seceded. (It is clarified that the majority of Khanid seceded with their royal family.)
It's important to remember that the Khanid family are Amarrian rather than Khanid.
Title: Re: Status(Amarr Empire)
Post by: Victoria Stecker on 01 Jun 2011, 09:08
It's important to remember that the Khanid family are Amarrian rather than Khanid.
For now, yes. <.< >.>
Title: Re: Status(Amarr Empire)
Post by: Silas Vitalia on 01 Jun 2011, 12:02
It's important to remember that the Khanid family are Amarrian rather than Khanid.
For now, yes. <.< >.>

If they retcon this.... sigh

Title: Re: Status(Amarr Empire)
Post by: Rodj Blake on 02 Jun 2011, 04:44
It's important to remember that the Khanid family are Amarrian rather than Khanid.
For now, yes. <.< >.>

If they retcon this.... sigh

I doubt if they'll retcon it on purpose, but it's quite likely that they simply won't realise what their own PF says at some point.
Title: Re: Status(Amarr Empire)
Post by: Mithfindel on 02 Jun 2011, 16:17
There's already some content writer who has a fixation that Amarr think their Emperor is God. Hopefully the ongoing fiction project will bring some clarity to this.
Title: Re: Status(Amarr Empire)
Post by: BloodBird on 02 Jun 2011, 17:54
There's already some content writer who has a fixation that Amarr think their Emperor is God. Hopefully the ongoing fiction project will bring some clarity to this.

Likely to big a fan of 40k and the 'god-emperor' angle. Silly bugger, one of the cute things about the Amarr Empire is that, they honestly think of a proper 'god' and not whoever currently sits on the throne, said person on the throne is 'merely' the divine interpiter of God's will, by virue of being the designated middle-person between the really real leader who is infallible and untouchable, and the people constantly striving (and ofthen failing or mis-using) to stick to his will and live 'good' lives.

Honestly, if they ret-conned this, it would be like ret-conning the Khanid family into blood-Khanid; it would fuck everything up, fundamentally. People can claim CCP don't give a shit about PF all they want, but not even the company who made EVE can want to purposefully mess things up this badly.
Title: Re: Status(Amarr Empire)
Post by: Mitara Newelle on 03 Jun 2011, 13:01
There's already some content writer who has a fixation that Amarr think their Emperor is God.

What?!? NOOOOOOOOoooooooooooo............
Title: Re: Status(Amarr Empire)
Post by: Mithfindel on 03 Jun 2011, 15:13
I've also seen somewhere - can't remember if it was a mission text or (hopefully) a fan site state that Amarr are worshipful of the capsuleers, since they don't die. Um. Yeah, right.

As far as I've understood, the canon line is that cloning is a Bad Thing, the Emperor indeed is not even close to God (more like Pope-Emperor), and indeed, Khanid nobles are True Amarr. But good to remember that not very long ago we had a source that stated that Heideran was Tash-Murkon (he was Kador - Tash-Murkon were not even royal when he got the Sacred Throne). And oh, the Sacred Throne is not necessarily made of gold, the Golden Throne belongs to the God-Emperor from the other universe.

Back to topic, it would be great to hear news about the state of, say, Kor-Azor economy (boomed with Doriam, crashed with psycho-Aritcio, boomed with saint-Aritcio, no idea for Chancellor Aritcio's time) or Amarr economy in general. We do know that they do have some spare coin (at least to help the Caldari), but no ideas otherwise.
Title: Re: Status(Amarr Empire)
Post by: Z.Sinraali on 03 Jun 2011, 18:01
Golden thrones are so passé. If I were a god-emperor, I'd have a diamond throne, compressed from the ashes of my greatest champions.

The ashes of my foes would be made into the other kind of throne.
Title: Re: Status(Amarr Empire)
Post by: Vieve on 03 Jun 2011, 18:07
Golden thrones are so passé. If I were a god-emperor, I'd have a diamond throne, compressed from the ashes of my greatest champions.

The ashes of my foes would be made into the other kind of throne.

And the royal toilet paper would be made of printouts of their hate mail.
Title: Re: Status(Amarr Empire)
Post by: BloodBird on 04 Jun 2011, 10:27
Golden thrones are so passé. If I were a god-emperor, I'd have a diamond throne, compressed from the ashes of my greatest champions.

The ashes of my foes would be made into the other kind of throne.

And the royal toilet paper would be made of printouts of their hate mail.

If I were Emperor, I'd so do that.