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EVE-Online RP Discussion and Resources => CCP Public Library => Topic started by: Casiella on 20 Sep 2010, 10:22
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Yay for Minmatar infodump (http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=20-09-10)!
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Somewhat disappointed that nano-tattoos were forgotten (i.e. tattoos that can change color and thus possibly shape). Though there's another chron of them. Otherwise rather nice read. (Similarly, why remove tattoos with a laser when you could use nanobots to remove the tattoo?)
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I like the implications of Gallentians being punched in the face by walking up to a Minmatar as they so freely use another person's culture as a fad.
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I like the implications of Gallentians being punched in the face by walking up to a Minmatar as they so freely use another person's culture as a fad.
This.
Forever.
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I liked this chron... seems to suggest that Amarr and Caldari do not use/approve of tattoos at all?
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Somewhat disappointed that nano-tattoos were forgotten (i.e. tattoos that can change color and thus possibly shape). Though there's another chron of them. Otherwise rather nice read. (Similarly, why remove tattoos with a laser when you could use nanobots to remove the tattoo?)
this seemed to be focusing on the minmatar, who still use normal ink, I'd figure the other races probably have more elaborate tattoos, particularly the Gallenteans, who probably use nanobot tattoos and OC tattoos, I made Nikita heavily etched in OC tattoos to run all her haptics and her inserts and her wetwirings.
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I liked this chron... seems to suggest that Amarr and Caldari do not use/approve of tattoos at all?
I don't think that it the intent.
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It definitely suggests that about the Amarr. Or at least they disapprove to the extent and cultural background for which the Minmatar have used them.
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If they're going to say that most Matari have facial tattoos and that you can tell a persons name, clan and tribe by looking at that tattoo, then I do hope there are a lot more options for facial decoration in "incarnations in stations".
In fact that's one of the things that scares me...
Ulf has a lot of body tattoos and no facial tattoos. I'm hoping that will be catered for in the new world, but I can't say I'm expecting it.
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/me ponders implications of scripture tattoos
as for amarr disapproval of the minmatar tattoos, then it could be something along the lines of if someones face has the equivalent of "I am Duncan McLeod of the Clan McLeod" written on it, then it is going to make giving them an "honest righteous name" a whole lot harder. And things like who names children of slaves and such.
things like "I like you, I shall call you 'Rock' because of your strength", "My name is Bear, mistress.", "Your name is what I say it is, Rock." and so on.
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If they're going to say that most Matari have facial tattoos and that you can tell a persons name, clan and tribe by looking at that tattoo, then I do hope there are a lot more options for facial decoration in "incarnations in stations".
I suspected as soon as I read it that this is an infodump getting ready for what we should expect to see in Incarna.
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things like "I like you, I shall call you 'Rock' because of your strength", "My name is Bear, mistress.", "Your name is what I say it is, Rock." and so on.
I think that's a great mental image, well, not great as such, but seems very true to Eve.
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I liked this chron... seems to suggest that Amarr and Caldari do not use/approve of tattoos at all?
No, it seems to suggest that the Amarr disapproved of a crucial aspect of tribal society. Nothing in the chronicle says anything about the Amarr disliking all tattoos, and Caldari don't enter into it because it was about Minmatar tattoos, a topic which evidently the Caldari don't give a crap about.
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I like the implications of Gallentians being punched in the face by walking up to a Minmatar as they so freely use another person's culture as a fad.
This is from an old, old story I wrote:
When he finally squeezed into a narrow customs booth, the gaudily uniformed Gallente woman smiled a pre-packaged smile and greeted him. “Welcome to Sovicou, blood brother!” He handed her his Interbus ticket stub.
As the customs body-scan traced the outline of his body with more blinding beams, Hamish eyed the rictus-grinning woman. He had heard stories of these people, these armchair activists who protested against slavery louder than anyone but – in the end – did nothing about it. As she returned his ticket stub, he shot her a withering look that wiped the smile from her face in an instant.
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Caldari are often portrayed with tattoos, especially patriotic ones (stars, etc) on even their faces, so I rather doubt that tattoos are taboo in the State. Rather the contrary.
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And yet they aren't socioculturally important, as they would be in the Republic. They would be a method of expression as they are present day.
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And yet they aren't socioculturally important, as they would be in the Republic. They would be a method of expression as they are present day.
As they are present day in some cultures.
There are -- still and again -- cultures which care about tattoos and their social significance. Where designing them involves group approval of elements which reflect genealogy, life events, status and role. Where receiving them is a social ritual.
Although I wince at bit at this (cultural appropriation and such) do have a look at http://history-nz.org/maori3.html (http://history-nz.org/maori3.html) (scroll down - last heading "Moko patterns and meaning") for an idea of the sort of thing that underpins my view of Matari tattooing.
(Yes, I tried to give Mata aspects of this:
- http://matarikirain.blogspot.com/2010/05/witnessing.html (http://matarikirain.blogspot.com/2010/05/witnessing.html)
http://matarikirain.blogspot.com/2010/05/marking.html (http://matarikirain.blogspot.com/2010/05/marking.html).)
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From the Kameiras (http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=08-12-08) chronicle:
In the aftermath of battles, Kameiras gather what bodies they can of their fallen and burn them in great funeral pyres. This is done in a matter-of-fact way, without emotion. Once the fires have burnt out the surviving Kameiras cut themselves and then rub the ash from the pyres, the ashes of their dead brethren, into their open wounds. In this way, a permanent mark is formed. The Kameiras carry their dead with them, and the mark serves as a lasting reminder of those who fell. An old soldier may have many scars of the lost covering his body and in this way can come to look akin to his free Minmatar brethren. No one knows how this tradition crept in - not even the Kameiras themselves - but it now persists throughout all units in the Kameira war machine.
Contrasted with this:
Through this near-constant long-term process of tattooing, it is sometimes necessary for a tattoo to be removed or replaced with another tattoo. Since Minmatar technology is very advanced in this area, removal of a tattoo is extremely simple, with a pinpoint-precision surface laser wiping clear any unwanted area. There are times in which a Minmatar will symbolically choose to use the old method of skin removal, which carries the side effect of leaving large, highly visible scars. This is particularly prevalent when changes of allegiance or other actions of heavy emotional investment occur. (It is especially common after certain judicial punishments, for example.)
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After reading this chron, I was SO GLAD I gave Shae a legitimate, familial reason to have Sebiestor markings down her arm o_O