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WERAROIX - A routine ore hauler customs check yesterday uncovered a cargo that officials are still at a loss to explain. The ship was carrying supplies to be traded at Yvaeroure, where they were to make their next pick up. Among those supplies was a container of individually wrapped pills, unidentified except for the word 'Liberty' etched into each one.
Upon analysis of the pills it was discovered that each one contained a small cluster of nanobots, the function of which is still unknown. The crew was held for questioning, but none of them, nor anyone on the colony in Yvaeroure, has claimed any knowledge of how the cargo came to be on the ship, or what the pills' purpose is.
Innnnteresting...
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[tinfoil hat]
How does one insure a Sansha transport gets disassembled from the inside out, or it finds its cargo biomassed?
From "Under the Sea, the City" (http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=24-11-08)
It was possible, in theory, to replace certain bodily fluids with explosive counterparts. You could alter a person's glands to produce the new type, so long as you ensured his body had enough raw materials to draw on, or you could swap out the old type for the new along with an agent that would keep it from breaking down.
It was hideously expensive, extremely unreliable and utterly destructive. Even if he never set off the explosive reaction, a person who underwent something like this would die of massive organ failure within a few days. The body was not happy being turned into a chemical weapon.
I'd had my agents do some datamining, and it had revealed connections between this man and ten others on this very same shuttle. All of them had committed crimes serious enough to warrant transport down under, but worse, all of them were connected to an earlier transport that just yesterday had brought a lot of fresh people to the city. Gods knew how many of them were walking bombs.
"You were going to blow up the city," I said. I couldn't believe it.
Swap in "explosive" for "nanobot".
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Shit. There goes my ecstasy shipment.
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Connected to the mass suicide, since it's also in Solitude...
Curious to see where this goes.
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Shit. There goes my ecstasy shipment.
Somehow, I just KNEW you had a hand in this...
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Let me just break out the science robot and we'll get to the bottom of this.
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Solitude... dammit I don't need more attention there.. I mean damn pills?
*Hides New Booster Production Chain*
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Imagine, I tell her, that you are outside of your capsule, and what you need to do there isn't all that complex. Maybe you need to meet someone, or want to get something to eat at a real restaurant, maybe sleep in a real bed.
Of course, this isn't hard to imagine, really. We're both unplugged right now. She nods, a slight sense of impatience about her. I give a “bear with me” sort of expression and shift up in my seat, kicking another cushion away. I can tell she's getting progressively more high too, just by the way she watches it sail away over the edge.
For a situation like this, or at least some of them, I tell her, you don't really need your childhood memories, or your knowledge of how to pilot Jump Freighters. And the more situational your needs are, the more you can narrow it down, the less you need to bring along.
Ever wonder how Nation takes so many people so quickly?
Sometimes Nation harvests too many individuals from a planet, too many to fit into the dropships, anyway. Genetic diversity must be maintained, even if there's not quite enough elbow room.
In these cases, it becomes necessary to... amalgamate individuals into single biological units while preserving their intellectual uniqueness. The mechanical process is complicated and... unpleasant. Experiences are combined, traits are averaged, and superfluous features are discarded.
The end result, however, is incontrovertible: Nation obtains what it needs and no "soul" is left behind.
"Daddy, is that you?"
Unfortunately, one cannot be told what Nation is...
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Connected to the mass suicide, since it's also in Solitude...
And how large is Solitude? It's a region.
Saying for how isolated it is from the rest of the world, means it has such a low crime rate that there is only one thing happening throughout how many systems with stations, and planets with colonies?
*Hides New Booster Production Chain*
Hmm. ;)
...let alone what the pills actually do.
Hell, they could be Istvaan's ecstacy shipment.
And Nikiruu, I'll have to think about it. If there is anything I learned however when I was researching all I did, is that there really needs to be a public discussion made somewhere to talk about things more openly, and (try to) be unbaised. Keeping the knowledge locked up when there is so many puzzle pieces scattered about across so many mediums, it cannot be solved by a single person, nor by searching in a single subject matter... like everyone being fixated solely on w-space.
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http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1385517 (http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1385517) obligatory, probably redundant.
Most of the out of character comments made here are addressed there, in character. :P
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I feel like this isn't actually Nation, I think, like Vieve said, its someone's attempt at sabotaging the abductions.
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Saxon Hawke have any thoughts on this?
I believe he was involved with the last big Serpentis stick with that whacky drug on Intaki.
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Well, there are multiple potential interpretations.
1. Rise 2.0
- Was this a mistaken shipment? One of the potential side effects of Rise withdrawal is depression and suicide.
2. Rogue Drone infiltration
- http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Independence The nomenclature fits, but why would Rogue Drones use nanobots in pills?
3. Sansha's Nation
- I described the theory above. ;)
4. Anti-Nation Counter-terrorism
- Self explanatory, and touched upon by others.
5. Conspiracy Theory #1,309,502 (Or, the Texas Sharpshooter Method of Discovering Everything About EVE - "TSMDEAE" for short, also known as "Niki, you're going to give me another headache again aren't you?")
- This is a variant of Rise.
- The Intaki had a hand in this
- Vorada Kuvakei. Is there *really* no connection there?
- Wormholes are the KEY TO EVERYTHING!
- Intaki was the target of multiple attacks by Sansha's Nation. Really? There's *no* connection?
- Yes, this is so unlikely that it's crazy. But then again, there is The Broker for precedence.
- There are many copies. They have a plan. One of my friends played for a short while, and he said that a certain CONCORD guy stated that they had retrieved multiple duplicates of multiple individuals from wrecks of Sansha ships at the attack sites.
- Everything is connected!
- CONSPIRACY! CONSPIRACY! OMG!
7. The slightly less manic Conspiracy Theory (or: Putting it all together, with the potential that this is completely off-base).
- We know that Nation forces have at least been seen around a Jove station.
- Rogue Drones can build "pseudo-Jove" station-like structures as hives.
- There is an exploration site called "Independence".
- Sansha's forces now use "liberation" as a term for what they are doing.
- There are tenuous links between the Serpentis and Rogue Drones.
- There are Chronicle suggestions of a link between the Intaki, SOE and Serpentis. Further, this link leads even further afield via Serpentis links with Ishukone, and back to Intaki through the deal Ishukone, Mordu and the Intaki government reached to provide economic and military assistance.
- If you take a step back, these are *very* tenuous connections. What does it all mean?
Looking further:
- There were multiple attacks in Intaki.
- "Ishaeka" is a possibly Intaki word, the name for the investigation into Nation forces.
- RISE was initially created by an Idama.
- A compromised member of CONCORD was Intaki, as well as the individual behind the investigations in the first place.
- Said liberations are suggested to be "uplifting" individuals from lives of drudgery and unhappiness. What is the stated goal of the Idamas (well, at least the oath they apparently take according to AURORA event actors if I interpret the EVE wiki correctly)?
As long as space endures
As long as sentient beings exist
Until then, may I too remain
And dispel the miseries of the world.
As you can see, many of these theories can be mixed and matched to create semi-believable links. However, at this point we do not have sufficient evidence to draw any lasting, provable conclusions.
Finally, here's the most likely scenario due to Occam's Razor, and linking the suicides with the "mystery cargo":
1. This is a RISE variant.
2. The shipment was meant for "that other colony" where the suicides took place.
3. Simple human error just revealed something bigger, and we will not know the full extent of what is going on for some time.
4. Take note of what you see, and hopefully by the time everything is clear, there will be something for you to do beyond posting on forums. :bear:
I for one welcome our new beloved overlords, and hope that their benevolent leadership shall ensla... I mean, enlighten you all!
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http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/RISE_Incident (http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/RISE_Incident)
Rise was a chemical narcotic. A hallucinatory agent. Saying the nanobot pills are a version of RISE is like saying the Hindenburg was a version of galley.
Kuvakei is a common surname, so no possible connection.
Nanobots are very expensive to distribute in a region-wide manner.
The people on the Gererique mining facility all committed suicide more less simultaneously, after meticulously sending relatives good-bye messages.
What is Kuvakei's goal? To prove humanity that he is right. That people are so depressed about the current status quo, that things on planets and mining outposts are so desperate and grim, that they will resort to anything. It's his narrative.
So, to continue this narrative, he instigates a bone-chilling event in a remote region that makes people doubt. Ghost Hunter et al are great at doing this IC with their public relations efforts. Maybe these people really do want to join Nation, after all, is the feeling that the Sansha want to generate.
Once the narrative is constructed and propagated, it's just a matter of slowly infiltrating and manipulating target populations on a regional scale.
Then move in for the kill.
Solitude is an ideal target for Nation. Fairly large populations, isolated from the rest of Empire space by barren, inhospitable nullsec and lowsec. Federation Navy presence likely lessened in the wake of the successful war with Kador, seen as less of a threat on that front. Limited ability for long-term defensive operations by Capsuleers and Navy due to isolation and lack of any direct routes by stargates. Ripe for the taking, strategically.
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What is Kuvakei's goal? To prove humanity that he is right. That people are so depressed about the current status quo, that things on planets and mining outposts are so desperate and grim, that they will resort to anything. It's his narrative.
So, to continue this narrative, he instigates a bone-chilling event in a remote region that makes people doubt. Ghost Hunter et al are great at doing this IC with their public relations efforts. Maybe these people really do want to join Nation, after all, is the feeling that the Sansha want to generate.
Once the narrative is constructed and propagated, it's just a matter of slowly infiltrating and manipulating target populations on a regional scale.
Then move in for the kill.
Are you absolutely positive this has something to do with Sansha's Nation? The point I'm trying to make is that without further evidence, like the actual function of those pills, we won't know for sure.
Doubt. Jumping at shadows. Fear.
What is the goal of terrorism? Think back a few years. Replace "pills with nanobots in them" with "mysterious white powder". I'm not saying that this is definitely unconnected, but we don't have enough evidence to draw a definitive link between Nation, the suicides and the nanobot pills.
Supposition is fun, and can sometimes lead us down the right path, but sometimes it causes more harm than good.
Also, if I were smuggling something illegal, say some new type of Boosters, would I want the paper trail pointing at me? No, I'd try to point it at the most obvious target imaginable. Sansha makes a pretty big target. While the authorities are trying to find the "Head Zombie" I'm "taking care" of any "loose ends".
Just some food for thought.
WERAROIX - A routine ore hauler customs check yesterday uncovered a cargo that officials are still at a loss to explain. The ship was carrying supplies to be traded at Yvaeroure, where they were to make their next pick up. Among those supplies was a container of individually wrapped pills, unidentified except for the word 'Liberty' etched into each one.
Upon analysis of the pills it was discovered that each one contained a small cluster of nanobots, the function of which is still unknown. The crew was held for questioning, but none of them, nor anyone on the colony in Yvaeroure, has claimed any knowledge of how the cargo came to be on the ship, or what the pills' purpose is.
Innnnteresting...
It is interesting. :D
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yeah Julianus, I gotta agree with Nikiruu, as it stands, we're jumping at Shadows. Not everything has to be connected to Nation, that's a mistake we made with the Symphony, and its a mistake I feel we might be making here. There's nothing to say it is by certain connected to Sansha's Nation, and yes, there's nothing against it really either, but I'm going to hold off on claiming "Sansha's Did it" until we have some evidence, any evidence, that Sansha was actually involved.
Keep in mind that we know very little of the incursion feature that's coming in the winter, I suspect, and really have my fingers crossed, that the other pirate factions will also get incursions, and not just nation. If thats the case the story groundwork for that's going to need to start being laid soon. This could be the Serpentis stuff. And yes, that's grasping at straws just as much as you did or Nikiruu did in his conspiracy theories. But I think that's sort of the point.
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I think in all likelihood this thing is connected with the Sansha arc, however claiming to have been given samples and conducted an in depth analysis on them on the IGS is pretty meh.
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I think in all likelihood this thing is connected with the Sansha arc, however claiming to have been given samples and conducted an in depth analysis on them on the IGS is pretty meh.
At no point have I done that. Reread the statements I've given thus far, please.
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With respect, Soter, some of the statements you made in your thread (http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1385517) imply (albeit do not directly state) that your character has knowledge of details of the shipment and the pills that did not appear in the story.
In my opinion (for whatever that's worth :p ) you might consider clarifying that you are only speculating, and don't have access to anything beyond the publicly-released info. OTOH, if you do have more info, well, that might be worth sharing as well. :)
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What is the goal of terrorism? Think back a few years. Replace "pills with nanobots in them" with "mysterious white powder". I'm not saying that this is definitely unconnected, but we don't have enough evidence to draw a definitive link between Nation, the suicides and the nanobot pills.
Supposition is fun, and can sometimes lead us down the right path, but sometimes it causes more harm than good.
Soter is roleplaying his character just fine, and its funny you brought up that point as I thought of it too. It is very much like those events in planting fear in the general public... that, and replace the ulterior motive for oil, for wormhole technology. Regardless if Nation has all along been misunderstood, or not. ;)
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Soter is roleplaying his character just fine, and its funny you brought up that point as I thought of it too. It is very much like those events in planting fear in the general public... that, and replace the ulterior motive for oil, for wormhole technology. Regardless if Nation has all along been misunderstood, or not. ;)
I know. I love it. :D
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Well, there are multiple potential interpretations.
5. Conspiracy Theory #1,309,502 (Or, the Texas Sharpshooter Method of Discovering Everything About EVE - "TSMDEAE" for short, also known as "Niki, you're going to give me another headache again aren't you?")
- This is a variant of Rise.
- The Intaki had a hand in this
- Vorada Kuvakei. Is there *really* no connection there?
- Wormholes are the KEY TO EVERYTHING!
- Intaki was the target of multiple attacks by Sansha's Nation. Really? There's *no* connection?
- Yes, this is so unlikely that it's crazy. But then again, there is The Broker for precedence.
- There are many copies. They have a plan. One of my friends played for a short while, and he said that a certain CONCORD guy stated that they had retrieved multiple duplicates of multiple individuals from wrecks of Sansha ships at the attack sites.
- Everything is connected!
- CONSPIRACY! CONSPIRACY! OMG!
To quote the Dread Pirate Roberts "Truly, you have a dizzying intellect."
In all seriousness, it could be the Serps, it's got a lot of their hallmarks. However, as Julianus has noted, the Serps favor narcotics not nano-technology.
It doesn't seem to follow the usual M.O. for Sansha either.
Frankly, I'm at a loss and just waiting to see what the next clue is.
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To quote the Dread Pirate Roberts "Truly, you have a dizzying intellect."
Wait til I get going! Now, where was I?
In all seriousness, it could be the Serps, it's got a lot of their hallmarks. However, as Julianus has noted, the Serps favor narcotics not nano-technology.
It doesn't seem to follow the usual M.O. for Sansha either.
Frankly, I'm at a loss and just waiting to see what the next clue is.
Mysterious cargo is mysterious. "Liberty" is an interesting label though. It always comes with a price.
BTW, Phillip K. Dick (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_Can_Remember_It_for_You_Wholesale) is one of my favorite authors. 8)
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I thought because CONCORD controls the proliferation of the media, they timed the announcement of this report perfectly right after Seriphyn's slip of creating negative PR for the Federation. As it... created some connections to the news reports in the past to how the witnesses of those weren't going on the dropships were being treated as they said their side of the story. What would be their reaction if they said "They went willingly.", hmm? It would be why you wouldn't hear a recounted tale from the Ation news article, why Provists would be locking them up without any rights, and why they wouldn't happen to be on the citizen roster mysteriously. ;)
Anyway... getting back on subject. If we're going with tinfoil theories and conclusions I've come up with in the past, the announcement of 'Liberty' might have simply been a red herring to stir up fear. We are unsure what the purpose of the drug does, but if it is something bad... the name can simply be a disguise for a brand in the Federation, as 'Perserverance' is a Lai Dai drug.
Freaking out over the name of the brand in a place that so advocates freedom so much is a bit silly.
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Nothing gets sillier in a place that advocates freedom than actual discussion of what that means. ;)
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With respect, Soter, some of the statements you made in your thread (http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1385517) imply (albeit do not directly state) that your character has knowledge of details of the shipment and the pills that did not appear in the story.
In my opinion (for whatever that's worth :p ) you might consider clarifying that you are only speculating, and don't have access to anything beyond the publicly-released info. OTOH, if you do have more info, well, that might be worth sharing as well. :)
Moira and Synenose Accord intelligence analysts have concluded that there is a strong likelihood the so-called 'Liberty Pills' seized in the Weraroix system, Solitude Region, is related to the mass suicides of the Gererique mining facility, also in Solitude, and dependent on the same market supply network the ship was using.
"strong likelyhood"
The pills found in this inspection would seem to fit the profile of a covert attempt to begin manipulating and subverting entire populations in highsec and lowsec.
"Would seem"
A possible distribution method for these pills would be AIMEDS, the robotic artificial intelligence doctors that take care of the vast majority of space-bound populations, and a majority of planetary ones as well. If the personality and ethical hardcoding of these systems could be compromised by a Nation hacking attempt, they would be able to dispense mandatory proscriptions of the Liberty Pills to their patients, under the guise of a standard anti-viral or anti-biotic treatment.
These contaminated AIMEDS would be able to continue this attempt over long periods of time, facilitating the nefarious functionality of the nanobots.
We recommend immediate investigation and test of all functional AIMED units for possible AI contamination. Additional security protocols should also be implemented to protect against future hostile hacking attempts.
"A possible"
Therefore, it seems likely the source of this mastery of large-scale nanite-based manipulation is most likely Sansha's Nation. This is what our analysis concluded.
"seems likely"
etc.
Sorry for being pedantic. . . but that was my first and continuing IGS statements regarding this event. If further clarification needs to occur, I'm open to recommendations.
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thats a lot of if's Jules.
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And I put them there on purpose.
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'Perserverance' is a Lai Dai drug.
... mind if I take that.
Yes Hamish, legal drug production could be interesting, but we will have to hire those talented NoH marketing folks to provide us with some S.H. ads.
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As I said, it was implied (or, if you prefer, we inferred it). But it seems to me (OOC) that Soter-c (instead of Soter-p) was at least trying to give the impression that he had more data. If Soter-p wanted Soter-c to do that, then all is well. But if Soter-p didn't actually mean to give that impression, then I've made my recommendation. That's all. :)
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http://www.eveonline.com/mb2/news.asp?nid=4057
'Liberty' Pill Identified
2010.09.21 09:52:08
LUMINAIRE – Gallente Customs officials have solved part of the mystery surrounding the 'Liberty' pills seized last week in the Weraroix system. The nanobots each pill contained appear to have been designed to make their way to strategic parts of the body, including the lungs, where they instigate general hypoxia and eventually lead the subject to quietly expire from oxygen deprivation.
The Sisters Of Eve have since confirmed the 'Liberty' pill to be behind the mass suicide at Gererique. “We found a similar package containing some extra pills, and autopsies then revealed all the people died in the same manner. We are now relatively certain of the how, we just still don't understand the why,” said SSOE agent Lenz Kaaloaka.
Gallente Health and Safety officials have called for anyone with any knowledge of the pill or its manufacturers to come forward.
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Well, the link with Gererique is confirmed. . . interesting method. And interesting application. Makes our analysis a bit more complicated.
As I said, it was implied (or, if you prefer, we inferred it). But it seems to me (OOC) that Soter-c (instead of Soter-p) was at least trying to give the impression that he had more data. If Soter-p wanted Soter-c to do that, then all is well. But if Soter-p didn't actually mean to give that impression, then I've made my recommendation. That's all. :)
Regarding this, Soter the character had no intention to pretend that he had more data. He used about. . . 10 qualifying words in his various statements to indicate they only had a probability of being correct in their analysis. What was your recommendation, again? To clarify that we're only speculating? :P
If my character was making conjecture, there would be no background, no discussion on context, no identification of trade routes, etc. The character and I performed analysis of the situation, and displayed it for public consumption. He's assertive, like I am. Some people read-in assertiveness as some kind of missing paragraph of text. . . it's quite remarkable. I keep wondering what people talk about when they comment on IGS posts.
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http://www.eveonline.com/mb2/news.asp?nid=4057
'Liberty' Pill Identified
2010.09.21 09:52:08
LUMINAIRE – Gallente Customs officials have solved part of the mystery surrounding the 'Liberty' pills seized last week in the Weraroix system. The nanobots each pill contained appear to have been designed to make their way to strategic parts of the body, including the lungs, where they instigate general hypoxia and eventually lead the subject to quietly expire from oxygen deprivation.
The Sisters Of Eve have since confirmed the 'Liberty' pill to be behind the mass suicide at Gererique. “We found a similar package containing some extra pills, and autopsies then revealed all the people died in the same manner. We are now relatively certain of the how, we just still don't understand the why,” said SSOE agent Lenz Kaaloaka.
Gallente Health and Safety officials have called for anyone with any knowledge of the pill or its manufacturers to come forward.
*drumroll*
I guess it kind of makes the old saying "Give me Liberty or give me death" a bit redundant.
Oh come on, you knew that was coming!
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Thanks, he'll be here all week! And try the shrimp, it's great!
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*dies*
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But wait, the phrase is give me liberty or give me death. But they were given liberty...which...was death...
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As anyone who's studied Boolean logic knows, OR is not the same operation as XOR. Therefore, they can both be true and the expression evaluates as TRUE.
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I am hoping this is a tie in for the Serpentis in the possible-next arc. That would be so cool.
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I am hoping this is a tie in for the Serpentis in the possible-next arc. That would be so cool.
^^^^
THIS
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Could/will that result in folks chasing arcs?
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http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=4059&tid=4
And they've raided the group that was doing the manufacturing.
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Could/will that result in folks chasing arcs?
Yes.