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EVE-Online RP Discussion and Resources => EVE OOC Summit => Topic started by: Caellach Marellus on 04 Nov 2014, 14:36
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So for those of you who remember the end of 2009, the Federation elected a new President after the last one quit because he realised he'd hung himself politically.
5 years on and we're less than a month away from what should be the next round of elections, to coincide with Roden's 5 year term ending on the 1st of YC112 (Jan 1st 2010).
While the sceptical part of me expects this to get sweeped under the rug with a "Roden retains" mini column post, I question "should he?" Roden was elected during a time the Federation was in chaos and struggling on the military front, in that time the shape of faction warfare has changed from being big story news to "it goes on" and the Shiigeru that loomed over Caldari Prime and was a major focal point of his campaign is long gone, and Caldari Prime's ownership resolved.
The Federation is moving out of the hostile war-like mindset and back towards the peace and prosperity, outliers and fringe conflicts aside. Would he really be the right man to continue at the helm? The Dove bloc would certainly have grown and retain their position of opposition.
Also I really hope this doesn't get a small sweep under the rug esque mention, anything regarding leadership changes of the big four should be considered major news.
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He could certainly get re-elected easily ....
Albeit Placid occupied systems were not included in the last event......the entire economy has held strong and continued to support mild growth (this is an extrapolation of news items, Material Acquisition involvement in New Caldari and other tidbits here and there) which would mean that a large portion of the population at least considers his management a "succesful one" keeping people's pockets with enough to feed and carry on.
On the political arena in general, i would presume he has an impressive array of detractors and oposition in all fronts.....but no real mistakes in the grand scheme....
Most interesting perhaps is the plausible scenario his behind-the-scenes deals have kept the Federation and the Tribal Assembly at a safe distance, yet close enough to know where to benefit from each other (regardless of the colelie incident).
All in all....if he goes for re-election, it is possible to win again.....otherwise CCP lore team would need to come up with some alternative scenario to demonstrate a new strong candidate.
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It would be a big failure on the part of CCP to not do anything with this. At the bare minimum, a few World News articles.
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While I share the hope of something more, I'm wondering if I'll simply log in one day to a news item stating the election results, sans lead-up or community involvement.
On the one hand, there seems to be some public sentiment that peace should prevail. War profiteering seems to be at an all-time high thanks to FW, and in some circles there is the palpable sense that the omphalos of the throngs of the dead is not Fed ideals but rather egotism, bloodlust, and greed. Many who have lost family and friend will ask why, may ask if their home is any better for it.
Yet those who gain the most from FW are in effect Roden's cronies and colleagues, and they must wield considerable influence on how the election would be framed in and around CEMWPA systems.
In a Doves vs Vultures grudge match, I'd bet on Vultures.
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It really boils down to if there's a better hawk candidate than Roden. The magpies won't be enough to sway it either way, and the vultures will stick with Roden, if they get the hawk vote it's probably tied up.
Short of the ostrich bloc suddenly becoming doves.
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Been so long since I've seen people use those terms. Nice to see.
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The best way to deal with this would be Roden announcing a timeframe for new elections, probably around february 2015 or so...
CCP live events team then assign some large scale stuff for a 2-month rally of some sort......centered on the "logistics" of political campaigns (couriers, hauling, materiales, etc)....any mishaps and the candidate turnout may be lower...but not crippled...that way you still get a nice clean expected result ...but capsuleers did indeed have an effect on certain outcomes.
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Please help us ignorant folks and explain all these avian terms.
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Please help us ignorant folks and explain all these avian terms.
Gallente voter blocs. (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Gallente_voter_blocs)
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Please help us ignorant folks and explain all these avian terms.
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Gallente#Voter_Blocs
That will sum it up better than we can.
As things currently stand the vulture bloc is firmly behind Roden, while the doves are directly opposed to him. The magpies will chase the money to whatever makes them richer, but are too small to be a real decider unless the hawk bloc splits its vote.
The hawks tend to vote pragmatically, picking the best candidate for the current interests of the Federation, who they support fluctuates from election to election depending on what the needs for prosperity are.
The ostriches are the stereotypical airheaded Gallentians who know next to nothing but will vote on catchy slogans and excellent adverts. They make up a large part of the populous but will never vote in any organised consensus... if they bother to vote at all.
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The only guy showing up after so many years just for the next elections :P
Are you back ingame as well ? 8)
I have always been rather worried for CCP to forget about those elections. And that kind of stuff doesn't happen in one night either usually...
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Made a thread about it in the Live Events subforum (https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=348762&find=unread) some time ago
After Fortian the a person can run for one or two terms ?
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After Foiritain adjusts, 3 terms i believe.
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I WL'd a few of the IGS players (Dess likes to snoop, after all), but I fear that, once again, timezone issues will quash my potential involvement in discussions.
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The triple dynamic of a Jacus Roden/Serpentis vs Mentas Blaque/SDII vs Senate power struggle could be interesting to play with if plots involving spaceside pewpew could be set against its backdrop. Throw in 'opportunistic' players (Amarr/Caldari/Minmatar subfactions, Intaki sepratists, Syndicate err ... syndicates) all trying to advance their own causes and that might be a good reason to keep Roden in the Presidency.
Not holding my breath waiting to see it happen though.
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For some reason I always had Blaque and Roden singing from the same songsheet.
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I so want to get into some nice discussions and debates on the IGS about the issues at hand and the various voter blocs and how they'll relate to the election.
If RL wasn't currently being a bit chaotic, I'd be all over it right now.
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5188439#post5188439
Time to start sacrificing small people to appease the gods on that one I suppose.
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Sufficiently low expectations hedged any real disappointment, but still... NPC empires with a stagnant narrative might as well be dissolved into sov space since players will actually do something with it.
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For some reason I always had Blaque and Roden singing from the same songsheet.
While there's a mutual enemy - eg. Foiritan or Heth - they both hate more than each other, sure. But neither strikes me as the type of person that wants to share power or be told someone else what the limits on that power is.
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http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/gallente-federal-elections-commission-sets-presidential-election-date/
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:cube: :cube: :cube: :cube: :cube: :cube: :cube: :cube: :cube: :cube: :cube: :cube: :cube: :cube:
thank you CCP
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Awesome stuff, there's a couple of months for storyline to get the fluff out there, and a tidbit on the no-vote protocol changes to go off for now. :cube:
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Feels good to be wrong. Hopefully there will be some meat on this bone, so to speak.
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5218083#post5218083
We have a plan. More will indeed unfold and this won't be left hanging. We made the initial news item to set the scene for doing this with a bit of substance to it rather than just a one shot 'X won it this time' news item.
- CCP Delegate Zero
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ohh thats interesting...
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Ahh... mabe we will have a live event, where we can shoot at CCP actors.... :roll:
Or at least at gallentes!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Would be great if there will be a possibility to play some sort of mischievous gremlin for this ;)
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One could always open fire on the Roden Police forces.
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Good.
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news article today, has a list of candidates
Not much information about what they stand for though.
Not a lot to work with.
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Yeah, I would have thought that at this stage they would at least mention the voter blocs the candidates are catering to.
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I made a similar comment to the ISD who tweeted about this. We'll see. Hopefully they'll give us some actually meaningful information.
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(http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m730z6mp5Q1rwjpnyo1_400.png)
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Of the candidates listed, only 2 have any information you can find; Roden ofc & Celes Aguard(she got a few articles during the YC111 elections)
Of the rest of the candidates, only the Resistance fighter looks to be interesting & worthy enough as a competitor for the elections.
In short: 2 contenders (Jacus Roden & Celes Aguard) and the outsider (the resistance-fighter) The other 3 don't seem to be real contenders, but I'd be gladly proven wrong.
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Of the candidates listed, only 2 have any information you can find; Roden ofc & Celes Aguard(she got a few articles during the YC111 elections)
Of the rest of the candidates, only the Resistance fighter looks to be interesting & worthy enough as a competitor for the elections.
In short: 2 contenders (Jacus Roden & Celes Aguard) and the outsider (the resistance-fighter) The other 3 don't seem to be real contenders, but I'd be gladly proven wrong.
Do we even know if they're men or women ? well, two of them. One of them is listed as "actress", so that gives it away.
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Well Celes Aguard is a women, she's referred to as 'she' in the CCP newsarticles about her.
Shaileen Ramnev I don't know, gender isn't mentioned in the article & no info exists. I presume the person is a 'she' based on the first name. but can as well be a guy honestly. Same for the Digital artist & the retired Military officer, gender unknown & names could go either way regarding gender (military guy could be Intaki tho, considering Idama is also an intaki term.)
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http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/voice-modification-surgery-leak-discredits-serena-nova-withdrawal-of-backers-lends-credibility-to-claims/
"This morning several major news outlets, including the Scope, received packages"
/me did not receive
/me boos
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So Roden it is then.
It went to fast, wasnt even able to take sides....
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I find this excellent news.
Five more years. \o/
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So Roden it is then.
It went to fast, wasnt even able to take sides....
Considering that they had been planning on doing nothing at all originally, this is a much better outcome.
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(https://deadhomersociety.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/kicknixonaround.png)
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So Roden it is then.
It went to fast, wasnt even able to take sides....
Considering that they had been planning on doing nothing at all originally, this is a much better outcome.
agreed but at least provided some mild opportunity to do IGS posts for me :lol:...and for Diana Kim obviously.
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I'm still going to hold out hope that we at least get a little bit more going on here. :x Sure, there was a vote, but why not some good, old-fashioned outing?
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I'm still waiting for something to hit the fan.
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So Roden it is then.
It went to fast, wasnt even able to take sides....
Considering that they had been planning on doing nothing at all originally, this is a much better outcome.
Well ofc but they could have taken their time... I mean it seems to me that they hurried to post their few news pieces in a flurry in less than a few days and said 'here it's done!'
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It does seem it was all a sudden flurry of newsposts & then 'Roden is president, yay!' Note, I do like they did something with this. Can't shake the feeling CCP perhaps mixed up their dates? causing an 'oh crap it's on 29 january!' realization & making a flurry op posts.
That said, if you look deeper in some of the stuff mentioned, there's some relevance to older stuff, like the Bombing report, the Serpentis Death cult mentioned there actually has older reports mentioning them.
The Artist on the other hand, with his focus on Minmatar integration is a reminder of the several newsarticles in the past regarding the Federation & their relation to Minmatar immigrants.