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EVE-Online RP Discussion and Resources => EVE OOC Summit => Topic started by: Lunarisse Aspenstar on 07 Oct 2014, 12:30
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for those that haven't seen it:
http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/anomalous-materials/?_ga=1.80340881.708752999.1407280541
It's a good start and I hope people participate so we get more :)
SFRIM is hoping to organize an internal rp event/space outing related to this.
What do people think of it in general?
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I like it as a concept and I like that something whatsoever is happening, but the 'winners' will just be bored trillionaires.
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Those with deep pockets...
Anyway, it seems a bit odd they are recognizing only 1 pilot of each faction as the 'winner' when going solo against sleepers meant certain death, or so I thought. Am i off on my recollection of the difficulty of sleeper encounters?
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New T3 in 5, 4, 3, 2...
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There are several thousand Libraries in Jita right now. Nobody will win this by harvesting them. They will just be purchased. I'm trying to figure out what I want to do with the several hundred I have. Maybe the price will go up by the end of the week and I can make some decent money on them.
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New T3 in 5, 4, 3, 2...
... 1... 0... we have orgasm.
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Is new t3 confirmed? If not, I would guess it's for t3 modules.
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Nice to know the hard work players put in painstakingly observing, cataloguing and experimenting with the Sleepers over many hours of game time is so thoroughly referenced and clearly influenced plot development.
*Blossoms into a bittervet*
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There are several thousand Libraries in Jita right now. Nobody will win this by harvesting them. They will just be purchased. I'm trying to figure out what I want to do with the several hundred I have. Maybe the price will go up by the end of the week and I can make some decent money on them.
They are already going for insane prices now. Libraries were about 500k each prior to the dev blog, now are around 3m+.
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There are several thousand Libraries in Jita right now. Nobody will win this by harvesting them. They will just be purchased. I'm trying to figure out what I want to do with the several hundred I have. Maybe the price will go up by the end of the week and I can make some decent money on them.
They are already going for insane prices now. Libraries were about 500k each prior to the dev blog, now are around 3m+.
It's actually dropped today once the new World News hit and people started dumping more onto the market - they started the day at 4m. I'm hoping they will hit 5m once people buy enough later in the week. I could make quite a bit (for me, anyways) if I can sell at 5.
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*Blossoms into a bittervet*
Bloomin' took ye long enough.
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Adding for posterity:
Greetings all,
I do not know if this project is still active, I've heard that it is not, but I see no harm in making this suggestion.
The four empries have all separately declared that they are seeking donations of materials in order to analyze recent sleeper behavior. Though the competition will no doubt be fierce, I am curious to know what interest there is among us in opening a fifth option.
I will be blunt: I do not trust the agendas of the four empires. Their legacy has brought nothing but constant warfare, and no doubt this will be more of the same. I propose that we swiftly assemble our own initiative and re-establish our legitimacy as the preeminent, independent pure research arm in the universe. Perhaps if we can outstrip each of the other empires we can find our way to the answers each of them so badly craves.
I have access to fair numbers of the items being sought, myself. Surely others on this list do as well.
If Arek'jaalan means anything anymore, then let us have this discussion.
Regards,
-Guillome Renard
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Why would that need posterity?
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Because people seem to have at least mostly forgotten about A'J and I like to remind them every now and then.
Change to "Posting for those who haven't seen it" in your head if it's that much of a problem.
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Oh, no problem. Was just curious.
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It should be noted that Guillermo says (https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5095487#post5095487)he has been in contact with CCP Fozzie who has said that while they can't promise anything he will talk with the other devs about it and see what they can do.
So actually, N'maro, you may have an opportunity to make a mark with AJ if you get in contact with Guillermo.
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Price of Libraries is slowly starting to reverse their trend, now. A lot of sellers are waiting it out now and keeping their orders at pre-marketdump levels.
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My corp will be helping out SSC as well in this.
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Is any fed/republic group going to venture into C1-C2 WHs?
i have never been to W-space and would like to be part of a group to explore a bit that part of the landscape.....don't have much free time, but would appreciate it you could include a newbie alogn the way. (Dont have any war-decs or militia aggresions on me at the moment).
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As expected, here (https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=377938) is the current status of the race:
Amarr - 88,851
Caldari - 119,203
Gallente - 15,650
Minmatar - 15,354
Independent - 11,092
That is pretty much exactly how people were predicting it.
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As far as ratio goes, that is. I'm surprised the total number isn't higher. I haven't even turned in my 10,000 points worth of libraries yet. Not sure if I will.
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Is any fed/republic group going to venture into C1-C2 WHs?
i have never been to W-space and would like to be part of a group to explore a bit that part of the landscape.....don't have much free time, but would appreciate it you could include a newbie alogn the way. (Dont have any war-decs or militia aggresions on me at the moment).
There's ALXVP of course, but we're not really loyal to any factions.
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Tbh, Minmatar were never going to compete with the Caldari or Amarr in this competition. Bit surprised the Gallente are so far behind though.
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Tbh, Minmatar were never going to compete with the Caldari or Amarr in this competition. Bit surprised the Gallente are so far behind though.
How come? I can't think of many people that would donate for Gal. There will be a few that will dump in at the end to try to get the player membership, but I can't think of any groups or big names that would try to make them competitive.
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Tbh, Minmatar were never going to compete with the Caldari or Amarr in this competition.
We pretty much left it to Nmaro, and he's let us down... big time.
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As expected, here (https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=377938) is the current status of the race:
Amarr - 88,851
Caldari - 119,203
Gallente - 15,650
Minmatar - 15,354
Independent - 11,092
That is pretty much exactly how people were predicting it.
To early to judge... other people may donate all at once at the end/weekend.
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As expected, here (https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=377938) is the current status of the race:
Amarr - 88,851
Caldari - 119,203
Gallente - 15,650
Minmatar - 15,354
Independent - 11,092
That is pretty much exactly how people were predicting it.
To early to judge... other people may donate all at once at the end/weekend.
pft CCP fraked up the numbers, who would have guessed... go Amarr go!!
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Estimated score as of 12am EVE Time October 10th:
Amarr - 132,301
Caldari - 76,976
Gallente - 54,980
Minmatar - 13,130
Independents - 13,082
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Independents are about to pass the minmatar!
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I don't care how many years I've been RPing Caldari. Amarr deserve to win this and I'm happy they will.
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Estimated score as of 12am EVE Time October 12th:
Amarr - 152,740
Caldari - 168,564
Gallente - 127,683
Minmatar - 135,430
Independents - 106,505
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Much closer than I thought.
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haha, we're not out yet!
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I would bet that the independents win.
They started late, and their potential is bigger.
Of course, I'll keep my fingers crossed for the State :P
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I think the independents tapped out their biggest contributors with the W-space groups. It isn't inconceivable though that they make 3rd or even 2nd place with a little luck and some surprise donations.
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Estimated score as of 00:00 EVE Time October 13th:
Caldari - 311,249
Minmatar - 167,726
Amarr - 155,789
Gallente - 154,525
Independents - 255,626 as of 2AM EVE Time, 10/14.
Matar victor!
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Enter: The Traders.
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Added Independents score to my previous post.
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I am very curious to see who the biggest donator will be for Minnie.
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Who is the reciever entity for the "independents" ?
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Guillome Renard
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And now donations are over. Apparently we'll get the results on Saturday instead of Wednesday as was originally planned.
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We're going to save the full info for Saturday, but I will reveal that between the four factions, the total collection was:
- 556,166 Neural Network Analyzers
- 610,213 Sleeper Data Libraries
That's 2,997,018 total points, or the equivalent of 149,850,900,000 ISK at NPC buy order price.
Huge congrats to everyone who participated, including all the people who donated to Guillome Renard's excellent 3rd party campaign. I think you will be happy with where this story is leading.
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Estimated score as of 00:00 EVE Time October 13th:
Caldari - 311,249
Minmatar - 167,726
Amarr - 155,789
Gallente - 154,525
Independents - 255,626 as of 2AM EVE Time, 10/14.
Matar victor!
If the potential rewards for this are indeed T3 gear or ships for the corresponding race to get donations I'm not surprised at all at these results, with the exception of the 3rd (5th?) party scoring as much as it did.
Utterly predictable, tbfh.
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I am a bit surprised that the Amarr did not end up a solid second and Gallente a little more solidly in last.
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I am a bit surprised that the Amarr did not end up a solid second and Gallente a little more solidly in last.
Some very large donations from the Amarr were waiting for the last minute and I know they were turned in so we'll see. Still judging from turn-out overall, who the heck knows now where any of the empires will end up except the Caldari who I expect to be first based on scuttlebutt. :twisted:
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Yeah, we'll see. I'm rather curious to see what the prices of Libraries will do now.
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We don't know where Amarr ended up. Amarr RPers, who did not as a whole donate particularly early, put in at least 250k points yesterday (about 200k of that from PIE alone).
That would have put us at 410k at least and above Caldari, even considering the large donations by people like Solecist.
Of course, if more than just us decided to wait until the last minute, which the 3m total point value indicates, then this is anyone's game at this point.
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The Caldari side is iffy. My guess is that a lot of traders were trying to wait and see if their donations were needed - otherwise they'll hold onto the Libraries until next year and hope they can make money off of them.
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Caldari most likely lost due to whoever made the mistake of donating over the weekend and pushing it to 300k. That would have encouraged all the greedy people hoping to get their names on items to donate to the other factions. It's a major reason PIE waited until the last day.
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I'm still just waiting to see if we'll ever get something RP worthy. A'J was pretty bad, the Incursion thing got railroaded so hard, and here we're delivering doodads in order to... what exactly?
Jesus CCP, just bloody advance the story, will you? Have the Empires do something worth reacting to!
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Caldari most likely lost due to whoever made the mistake of donating over the weekend and pushing it to 300k. That would have encouraged all the greedy people hoping to get their names on items to donate to the other factions. It's a major reason PIE waited until the last day.
That and pushing it to 300k will make others think theirs are not needed to make their side win. So during those moments over the weekend when the sell orders hit 600k again, some of them may have offloaded theirs. Or just sat on them waiting until next year.
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Caldari most likely lost due to whoever made the mistake of donating over the weekend and pushing it to 300k. That would have encouraged all the greedy people hoping to get their names on items to donate to the other factions. It's a major reason PIE waited until the last day.
That and pushing it to 300k will make others think theirs are not needed to make their side win. So during those moments over the weekend when the sell orders hit 600k again, some of them may have offloaded theirs. Or just sat on them waiting until next year.
My head hurts. This reminds me too much of this... (Bonus Points for the Movie!)
Man in Black: All right. Where is the poison? The battle of wits has begun. It ends when you decide and we both drink, and find out who is right... and who is dead.
Vizzini: But it's so simple. All I have to do is divine from what I know of you: are you the sort of man who would put the poison into his own goblet or his enemy's? Now, a clever man would put the poison into his own goblet, because he would know that only a great fool would reach for what he was given. I am not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But you must have known I was not a great fool, you would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.
Man in Black: You've made your decision then?
Vizzini: Not remotely. Because iocane comes from Australia, as everyone knows, and Australia is entirely peopled with criminals, and criminals are used to having people not trust them, as you are not trusted by me, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you.
Man in Black: Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.
Vizzini: Wait till I get going! Now, where was I?
Man in Black: Australia.
Vizzini: Yes, Australia. And you must have suspected I would have known the powder's origin, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.
Man in Black: You're just stalling now.
Vizzini: You'd like to think that, wouldn't you? You've beaten my giant, which means you're exceptionally strong, so you could've put the poison in your own goblet, trusting on your strength to save you, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But, you've also bested my Spaniard, which means you must have studied, and in studying you must have learned that man is mortal, so you would have put the poison as far from yourself as possible, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.
Man in Black: You're trying to trick me into giving away something. It won't work.
Vizzini: IT HAS WORKED! YOU'VE GIVEN EVERYTHING AWAY! I KNOW WHERE THE POISON IS!
Man in Black: Then make your choice.
Vizzini: I will, and I choose - What in the world can that be?
Man in Black: [Vizzini gestures up and away from the table. Roberts looks. Vizzini swaps the goblets]
Man in Black: What? Where? I don't see anything.
Vizzini: Well, I- I could have sworn I saw something. No matter. First, let's drink. Me from my glass, and you from yours.
Man in Black, Vizzini: [Vizzini and the Man in Black drink]
Man in Black: You guessed wrong.
Vizzini: You only think I guessed wrong! That's what's so funny! I switched glasses when your back was turned! Ha ha! You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is "never get involved in a land war in Asia" - but only slightly less well-known is this: "Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line"! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha...
Vizzini: [Vizzini stops suddenly, his smile frozen on his face and falls to the ground dead]
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*sighs* All I know is it persuaded my char, icly, she had to make a *real* donation to try to help versus her initial token donation, although I'm feeling a bit like the Sicilian right now!
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There's nothing wrong with donating. Don't let the 'independents' jeer you out of taking satisfaction in it. There are plenty of characters where it would be a meaningful gesture.
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Renard is a dev actor ?
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No. The independents was a player-initiated AJ type thing.
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But he answers to CCP or something so that independents are taken into account ?
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But he answers to CCP or something so that independents are taken into account ?
No...
CCP never did an accounting of the independents. All independent numbers came from Renaud himself.
CCP basically gave token support to the independents in the form of, "Hey, we recognize that you're doing stuff, and it's cool, but we can't really promise anything." There was nothing official involved in any of the independent stuff short of a pat on the back.
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The difference between the third-party one by Renaud and the other four, is that if CCP does nothing with it, everyone who donated to him will get their ISK (or blue loot) back at the NPC buy order prices (iirc).
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Ah ok I see. Thanks.
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AMARR VICTOR!
Amarr took first at 900k points, with PIE's very own Admiral Ascentior taking the honorary commission. Honorary Fabricator-General Ascentior!
Minmatar second, Caldari third, Gallente fourth. I don't recall the names of the honorary commissions for those three, but they'll get posted soon.
The tech are T3 destroyers. Amarr one will be coming out in December.
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http://imgur.com/a/zMA6A
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AMARR VICTOR!
Amarr took first at 900k points, with PIE's very own Admiral Ascentior taking the honorary commission. Honorary Fabricator-General Ascentior!
Minmatar second, Caldari third, Gallente fourth. I don't recall the names of the honorary commissions for those three, but they'll get posted soon.
The tech are T3 destroyers. Amarr one will be coming out in December.
That Amarr came in first AND Minmatar came in second has had me in constant laughter since the announcement.
I am definitely chugging the tears from certain quarters of the Caldari donators right now, since they're coming out like a cracked fire hydrant.
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Wait what! :eek: T3 destroyers, what the hell?!
CCP moaned for how many years now that T3s are so broken, hard to balance, need a rework etc. So now they add new t3 ships without rebalancing old ones, no really what the ...
Congrats to PIE btw. \o/
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Wait what! :eek: T3 destroyers, what the hell?!
CCP moaned for how many years now that T3s are so broken, hard to balance, need a rework etc. So now they add new t3 ships without rebalancing old ones, no really what the ...
Congrats to PIE btw. \o/
CCP must frequently inject new, overpowered equipment for old-timers to stay interested. It's just new shiny for the kids who already have everything.
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I have to admit I am surprised that Minnie did so well. Amarr doesn't surprise me, nor does Gallente doing poorly. But I did not expect Minmatar to do so well. Grats to PIE & Co. I wonder if I'll ever regret backing out of donating.
Also, if I had to pick a ship that I would be least interested in seeing go T3, it would be destroyer. But at least it's something.
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I have to admit I am surprised that Minnie did so well. Amarr doesn't surprise me, nor does Gallente doing poorly. But I did not expect Minmatar to do so well. Grats to PIE & Co. I wonder if I'll ever regret backing out of donating.
Also, if I had to pick a ship that I would be least interested in seeing go T3, it would be destroyer. But at least it's something.
Yeah, storyline wise too I can think of a few more interesting outcomes to 'we've noticed new behavioural patterns in Sleeper drones' than 'here's a new frigate class ship to play with'. ISK sink live events ftw. :psyccp:
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An ISK sink for the bad guys- pirates, Sansha loyalists, etc.- would be nice. There is always insurance fraud I guess. But I think killing a CONCORD incursion in null or low would be a little more badass.
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Yeah, I am totally happy that we won it... but whose idea was tier 3 destroyers? Why would anyone ever want that?
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So destroyers that tank and dps like a cruiser at the price of a battleship that you lose sp when it's destroyed. :psyccp: gg
Nvm, just saw eve vegas keynote.
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So destroyers that tank and dps like a cruiser at the price of a battleship that you lose sp when it's destroyed. :psyccp: gg
Nvm, just saw eve vegas keynote.
Minmatar's T3 Dessie is going to be an artillery boat. I am sure of it. I am not a big fan of artillery boats.
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So destroyers that tank and dps like a cruiser at the price of a battleship that you lose sp when it's destroyed. :psyccp: gg
Nvm, just saw eve vegas keynote.
Minmatar's T3 Dessie is going to be an artillery boat. I am sure of it. I am not a big fan of artillery boats.
I hope they can covop cloak (and not suck).
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Actually looking at the t3 dessie concept: It's actually a better approach than I expected. Certainly better than subsystems were. But I need to know things like "what size plexes can they get into" and other FW specific things to really have an opinion.
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Actually looking at the t3 dessie concept: It's actually a better approach than I expected. Certainly better than subsystems were.
Completely agree, and i really have to wonder if it would be interesting to ponder "backporting" the design to t3 cruisers, rename them elite battlecruisers instead and then provide the same type of "inflight dynamic configuration".
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Obligatory: I WAS WRONG :D
I guess desire to get something valuable put faction contacts in way huge advance than independents. And, congratulations to Amarr. Although I would wish the State to win, from practical point of view (coercer I think is still one of my most used ships) I am really happy that Amarr won.
And what good State destroyer could bring... cormorants are already able to snipe from 100km.
Now imagine fleets of t3 Caldari destroyers in sniper mode. :twisted:
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It may just be that the really big collector types missed it.
Also tactics were involved :) PIE's lump sum donation of 200k that gave Ascentior the prize wasn't added till after the last update on the scores. Neither was Luna's donation. Also Amarr being so far behind on that last update seems to have spurred a lot of small donations from Amarr people. It (along with Gallente) would also have seemed the "attainable" prize, which may have spurred non-partisan donations.
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Besides the Amarr organization (which obviously was the best), I think part of it is that the traders simply didn't care. They trade. They make ISK. Dropping tens of billions of ISK down the drain for a bit of lore just isn't in that DNA. I have to admit that process eventually won me over OOCly. I just couldn't donate, I'll hold onto them for six months to a year and see where the prices are then.
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Gallente finishing dead-last is absolutely no surprise to me whatsoever, given all the conditions needed to pull off a win for them - but besides the RP-centric loyalists donating, all the "I want a new shiny bling missile-boat for my mission-humping" Caldari mission-runners losing is strangely not as enjoyable as I had expected. Likely the sweet design of the Corax is to blame for this - a sweet T3 missile Destroyer would be rather nice to have. Ofc, given balancing needs one is likely going to pop up eventually, but after the Amarr one.
Speaking of Amarr, congrats on that well-executed victory, well deserved. I'm expecting a nice, shiny golden Lazor PEWPEWPEW boat to be out in not to long. It's gonna be sweet, I just hope the overall astetics are nicer than the Legion, I'm a little let-down by that tbh.
Oh well, bound to be nicer-looking than the Proteus, at least.
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OOC, I'm rather happy the Amarr T3 destroyer is coming out first since most of my offensive SP is in Amarr stuff (neuts, lasers, etc). Well executed, and I can't wait to see these new ships in action!
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Concerning the Tech 3 destroyers & the balance issue of tech 3 cruisers.
I think CCP doesn't really know how to balance the tech 3 cruisers without them losing their most important asset: flexibility. One of the reasons for their hard time might be they just lack enough solid knowledge on flexible ships. The release of tech 3 destroyers would give them some additional good ideas about balancing flexible ships & making players happy with a new shipline.
On a totally different note, no ingame news article yet about the result of the research race, so feeling like Aurora News is (for the moment) the 'official' news source for the Research race final result.
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Also, if the T3 dessies are due out in December, it's entirely conceivable that we'll get the T3 cruiser rebalance thread in the next month.