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General Discussion => General Non-RP EVE Discussion => Topic started by: Richard Masseri on 25 Mar 2014, 06:45
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So I glanced across the list of CSM candidates the other day, a couple of names I recognised caught my eye but none from the RP community I'm hoping I just missed them. So basically yeah is there someone who does RP who is standing or maybe even someone who has a little interest in that direction. Who should I vote for when the poles open? (As some of you know I'm still pretty new e.g. only been playing EVE about a year and a quarter so all information is greatly appreciated)
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Roland Cassidy (https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4242336#post4242336).
He's not standing on a purely RP campaign, but he frequents OOC and Summit and intends to argue for lore things.
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What Sami said. Vote for Roland, because I said so.
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I have actually considered running for CSM a few times, but since they changed to the space-likes nomination system, I have no idea how to get in on it anymore.
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Ok so I will definitely read up on this Roland Cassidy guy thank you.
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Looks like a solid overall candidate. His intro got me thinking about the utility (as a game mechanic) of sov as a whole...
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I've thought about it multiple times, but I don't see any practical way to make it happen without sucking a rather great deal of nullsec cock.
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I've thought about it, but I think I need to get things sorted out with my real life further, before I can commit to anything like that.
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Honestly, his only real discussion of lore is in terms of 'players leaving a mark' and 'the CFC is larger than the Amarr Empire!' -- so, really, he sounds like a fairly conventional CFC candidate.
I definitely do like the idea of having players have more presence in the lore due to their activity and what their factions do-- but I'm not sure I want a CFC candidate pushing along that path, because sooner or later it'll turn into fofofofofo 7o.
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'the CFC is larger than the Amarr Empire!'
The CFC has sov over more systems than the Amarr Empire. It is one metric. It is similar to saying Canada is larger than the United States. ;)
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'the CFC is larger than the Amarr Empire!'
The CFC has sov over more systems than the Amarr Empire. It is one metric. It is similar to saying Canada is larger than the United States. ;)
It also is a flawed comparison, because the CFC is a coalition, while the Amarr Empire is an alliance. A more appropriate comparison would be Goonswarm Federation to the Amarr Empire, or the Clusterfuck Coalition to the Empire-Mandate-Kingdom coalition (might even include the State in there).
Regardless, just because Roland hasn't put a ton of RP stuff in his campaign thread, doesn't mean he's not a good choice. He frequents OOC and has been asking people there what RP things they'd like to press for. And he's certainly better than any of the other candidates. The CFC thing isn't a factor at all, someone being CFC doesn't make them a bad pick simply for being CFC.
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Samira has hit the nail on the head. Roland is a decent candidate IMO, I have others placed above him in my order of preference, but Roland makes the top three mainly due to being genuine, not putting on false airs about rp and realising he cannot be a single topic candidate if he is to stand any chance of getting in.
The very nature of the CSM makes those that wish to be on it suspect due to 'politician' in my eyes, but his realism with a demonstrated interest in opinion polling in person (rather than running a blog/campaign site and trying make US go to HIM to give info) is a nice change from recent trends in the CSM metagame.
So he is a viable candidate IMO, the rest is up to how closely his values marry with yours - never vote for someone who says they want what you want. Vote for someone who will tell you what he wants first, and see if you have some common ground - it is the landscape of ideals that segregates the constituents in EVE, not the arbitrary carving up of land that we have IRL.
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Samira has hit the nail on the head. Roland is a decent candidate IMO, I have others placed above him in my order of preference, but Roland makes the top three mainly due to being genuine, not putting on false airs about rp and realising he cannot be a single topic candidate if he is to stand any chance of getting in.
The very nature of the CSM makes those that wish to be on it suspect due to 'politician' in my eyes, but his realism with a demonstrated interest in opinion polling in person (rather than running a blog/campaign site and trying make US go to HIM to give info) is a nice change from recent trends in the CSM metagame.
So he is a viable candidate IMO, the rest is up to how closely his values marry with yours - never vote for someone who says they want what you want. Vote for someone who will tell you what he wants first, and see if you have some common ground - it is the landscape of ideals that segregates the constituents in EVE, not the arbitrary carving up of land that we have IRL.
This is something that all should take to heart when they are in the business of participating in democratic processes.
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I'm curious; If you had to make a list of top 5 RP related things in eve you would like to see changed/added what would they be?
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Good question, Joshua. Here goes:
1. Behind the curtain details of Stations/Outposts - In non-capsuleer stations, what are the divisions between capsuleer and non-capsuleer areas? Similarly, do capsuleers walk among the masses in outposts? Is it up to the owners? A chronicle about an investigative journalist travelling various stations to provide examples (rather vthan definitive statements) would be nice.
2. Quarterly Chronicles - either from staff or sourced from the player-base. Making them quarterly should take stress off of the community team as they don't have to turn them out at the rate they used to.
3. Some form of yearly 'state of the cluster' wrap up piece (fiction presented as non-fiction) would be nice. CCP keep playing the 'capsuleers are becoming more willful and free' stance - let's have some form of charting of that and other aspects of this transition from mortal to immortal led society.
4. Live events on a much smaller scale. No announcement 'local channel' events were one of the most fun things I encountered in Exodus. I'd like this local feel to events again. When every event is a cluster sweeping hurrah that comes to nothing in 'reality' it gets stale fast. If I wanted 'sweeping' I'd dedicate time to living in and killing null alliances and empires.
5. Evidence of bipartisan story generation. Have event writers sit on both sides of a potential conflict and generate material from both sides. Biased narrative is all well and good but there needs to be more transparency in how CCP arbitrate live events and RP in general. For example, Colelie was a suicidal disatser from the moment it started, for the Republic. There seems to be little evidence of a writer going 'would they really do this?' Escalating tension doesn't need to be all dreadnoughts and titans. We're educated people for the most part - null-scale demonstrations of power are an expression of hard power at the top of our ability. We understand that planet killing firepower doesn't need to be wheeled out when a national leader dies, sometimes small skirmishes or covert 'grab the suspect from a prison indy' style events are just that much more believable.
That's my big five really. Mostly focussed on narrative and process changes as I do not feel any false entitlement to demand story direction changes.
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I'm curious; If you had to make a list of top 5 RP related things in eve you would like to see changed/added what would they be?
You asking for a dream list here, or a realistic list?
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I'm curious; If you had to make a list of top 5 RP related things in eve you would like to see changed/added what would they be?
(In no particular order)
1. Restoration of small-scale events involving limited contact with smaller player groups in addition to grand 'battle for X' events. Not only do these not encounter the massive difficulties surrounding huge live events, but they are much more likely to succeed or fail in a meaningful way - i.e., because people on one side or another showed up to reach the objective, rather than huge blobs appearing for tasty kills.
2. Increased production of fiction pieces in general. This includes both chronicles and news stories; personally I would push for more 'slice of life' stories as well - i.e., chronicles that portray things from the view of characters other than, say, leaders of the Big 4 empires - even if involving major events in the cluster (example of this: "Chained to the Sky" involves what was a fairly major news story at the time, but it is shown from the POV of an 'everyman' rather than, say, Jamyl or one of her advisors).
3. Building on the above, increased production of historical and worldbuilding lore would be very nice as well. Some of my favorite articles on EVElopedia from the last few big fiction expansions have been the ones that discussed things we didn't know about in the lore before, and it'd be nice to keep seeing stuff like that.
4. Removal (or at least tempering) of this 'capsuleer groups mysteriously supersede everyone' business. CONCORD and the Big 4 have in the past been shown to be capable of deeply controlling many aspects of capsuleer life and capability; if we want to discuss game mechanics, they still do. If CCP is going insist that capsuleers are somehow 'breaking away' without the express consent of CONCORD/Big4, I would like to see a very good reason why they have not been clamped down on long ago.
5. Overhauls to PvE including an emphasis on making them more 'lore-friendly'; while I recognize that any repetitive PvE will always break lore in some fashion, handling the worst issues would be heavily beneficial (deeply outdated missions, vast numbers of NPCs falling like chumps, and PvE encounters that simply do no make sense, e.g. a Minmatar agent sending me a mission to stop a slave raid... in Amarr space). Best of all, many of these could be dealt with at the same time as the PvE overhauls to make missions more engaging that CCP's been talking about since forever.
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3. Some form of yearly 'state of the cluster' wrap up piece (fiction presented as non-fiction) would be nice. CCP keep playing the 'capsuleers are becoming more willful and free' stance - let's have some form of charting of that and other aspects of this transition from mortal to immortal led society.
In theory, this already exist (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/The_Empyrean_Age). However, due to some internal policy change what was and could be a community project (the wiki) has turned into a slow burn, highly controlled info repository.
Also, slowly correlating what people build out as their list and then considering putting together a plan proposal to hit various points. "When bringing light to a problem, always good to have a solution in mind."
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I'm curious; If you had to make a list of top 5 RP related things in eve you would like to see changed/added what would they be?
You asking for a dream list here, or a realistic list?
Tbh i'm interested in both :)
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1) Stop rewriting and retconing PF. Period. Accept one's own mistakes and deal with it. Sweeping stuff under the rug is just playing the ostrich.
2) Daily news events again. If possible by hired competent scenarists / history knowledgeable people / whatever.
3) Intra factional conflict, coldwar state, stop this full, false epicness nonsense that has been going on since TEA. It just makes zero sense anymore.
4) Define once and for all all major and key features of the lore : cloning, jumpcloning, the capsule, skillbooks and memory tampering, access to technology in New Eden, and possibly more hard science that actually focus on the science fiction part of the universe rather than just the politics.
5) Revive minor factions. Not including them in all events and each time focusing instead on a clash between 2 major factions (how boring, not even 3 or more, just 2, always) is just pure artistic laziness.
Also, is there an anti CSM candidate somewhere so that I can eventually vote a last time before my sub runs out ? Last time I voted was CSM 3 I think... You know, a CSM candidate that actually wants to put the CSM down once elected ?
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1) Stop rewriting and retconing PF. Period. Accept one's own mistakes and deal with it. Sweeping stuff under the rug is just playing the ostrich.
2) Daily news events again. If possible by hired competent scenarists / history knowledgeable people / whatever.
3) Intra factional conflict, coldwar state, stop this full, false epicness nonsense that has been going on since TEA. It just makes zero sense anymore.
4) Define once and for all all major and key features of the lore : cloning, jumpcloning, the capsule, skillbooks and memory tampering, access to technology in New Eden, and possibly more hard science that actually focus on the science fiction part of the universe rather than just the politics.
5) Revive minor factions. Not including them in all events and each time focusing instead on a clash between 2 major factions (how boring, not even 3 or more, just 2, always) is just pure artistic laziness.
So much +1
The constant retcons, revamps and remodeling of the PF is getting extremely tiresome. This seems to happen every time there's new folks behind the keyboard at the office, as a result the lore has gotten twisted, dry and bland. This has been also one of the major influences to not pick up Source, that and the disappointments the previous books have turned out to be. Anyhow, I'm on tangent here and I don't wanna hijack the thread any further.
Also, is there an anti CSM candidate somewhere so that I can eventually vote a last time before my sub runs out ? Last time I voted was CSM 3 I think... You know, a CSM candidate that actually wants to put the CSM down once elected ?
Hehehe hehe Anti-CSMtism.
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I like the CSM. It's damn near worthless, but CCP left to their own devices is often disastrous.
Also, from a personal vanity perspective, since my ISD dramabomb caused the CSM to be formed, I think of it as my legacy of sorts. There sure won't be anything else of permanence.
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I could agree with the CSM concept if people were nominated by CCP.
Though considering all the famous cases of corruptions that occurred over eve history, scratch that actually.
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I'm curious; If you had to make a list of top 5 RP related things in eve you would like to see changed/added what would they be?
In no particular order:
- New Hulk/Covetor. It does not make sense to me that the largest barge/exhumer, build for efficiency/yield, has the least efficient mining turrets.
- Expand FW/Incursions in such a way that bad guy RP-ers can support their pirate/utopian/other minor factions just like, or similar to, how we can support the major factions.
- Update the wiki. Especially the yearly summaries.
- More, smaller Live Events. Two characters chatting in local...the Awakended Infomorph travelling from point a to b unannounced... stuff like that. Or long-term events, kinda like the Arek'Jaalen thing, but less demanding when it comes to dev participation.
- The never released bits of Incarna.
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So... I think this will be the first year since 2009 that I sit out the CSM vote. I'm too out of touch with the direction of the game and don't feel like being involved is going to benefit me any longer.