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EVE-Online RP Discussion and Resources => EVE OOC Summit => Topic started by: Louella Dougans on 25 Sep 2013, 23:44
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3656860#post3656860
Gold Magnates for winning out of game lotteries.
Nothing for ingame actions.
Live events are now irrelevant.
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They're irreleveant NOW? Specifically NOW? Not when they've been choreographed laziness and shoe-gazing of the highest order for a long time due to CCP's crippling fear of being seen as playing favourites (which still happens in the sterile environment we've been subjected to as of this year)?
I'm pretty anti-gambling (personally, my personal dislikes do not deserve evangelism), so this rubs me up the wrong way a little bit. The fact it is exclusive to a third-party that WILL make ISK for individual players out of this also smacks of resource allocation that could, if stretched to the limit, be perceived as favouritism.
But as for killing live events? It's the head shot to the corpse that they already hung drew and quartered for fear of it crawling bodily from the grave.
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:CCP:
Well we have this also :ugh:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3656823#post3656823
CCP Unifex is mad. He is so mad that he is assembling a team of pilots throughout the Polaris system to ship up in some cool ships and escort three Marshal Class CONCORD SWAT battleships on a roam through lowsec. ‘Gatecamps be damned’, he said as he fitted more and more weapons. ‘No one is getting out alive’.
Pilots may want to avoid Low Sec for the next few days and let this terror pass before, as he puts it, ‘All hell breaks loose’. We will try and give you guys a heads up when the fleet is expected to hit. Bring an army. Bring ten armies! This is going to get rough.
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All to CCP Internal Affairs ! Quick quick
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"IA only addresses pedestrian requests that have no impact on the game at large, please accept this shovel of horse shit - be sure to smile or we'll say something snarky about ungrateful customers."
If you ever want an IA translation, copy and paste that next to the statement.
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Re-introducing Gold Magnates into the Ship-pool in this way is a terribad idea :ugh:
They should be kept as a special one-off reward ship for tournaments (Amarr ones at that maybe?).
I can remember when Mr PinkHat got hunted down by mOo and lost his. I'm not sure if any are left in game, but if i had one of the few, or the last one worth a fortune - i'd be going mad right now.
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Re-introducing Gold Magnates into the Ship-pool in this way is a terribad idea :ugh:
They should be kept as a special one-off reward ship for tournaments (Amarr ones at that maybe?).
I can remember when Mr PinkHat got hunted down by mOo and lost his. I'm not sure if any are left in game, but if i had one of the few, or the last one worth a fortune - i'd be going mad right now.
There was only ever one and it died in glorious fire.
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i wonder if they will release Fed Issue megathrons this way.....entity would be really mad :twisted:
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i wonder if they will release Fed Issue megathrons this way.....entity would be really mad :twisted:
I suspect that he'll have to recover from his happiness-swoon at the opportunity to accquire magnate first.
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Well, the Ishukone watch scorpion is going up in numbers steadily also so i suspect one should not get too attached to ones super rare ships.
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I must stress that I think that the key issue here is not the reintroduction of dead game-assets, but the manner of their reintroduction.
In the same way that CCP put the OOC and Summit channels in a position that lead to them being demonized, simply by preferentially participating in those channels rather than creating CCP owned channels (or recycling the faction channels) from day one - they are putting a crown on Somer that not only places them above their largely non-existent competition, but also contributes to their personal wealth, if not directly, then via the sheer marketing power of 'only group to have been trusted to lotto off the Magnates'.
It seems CCP loves to scapegoat the victims of their silent benevolence, and I would like to see a lot more corporate responsibility and a few more heads rolling when such activities blow up in their collective faces, rather than innocent players being tarred as the villains of the piece.
The Sand Box is not Fair. But prior to our interaction with it, I would expect the sand would be evenly distributed in the box, then we start hoarding our own piles for castles of increasing worth and complexity. These ships represent new sand, and should be distributed via CCP avenues only - NOT a third party.
Disclaimer: do not mind about the ships at all - won't be gambling for aforementioned personal principle reasons, am too lazy to chase after them in some form of live event. This is purely about increasing dependence on players to carry out high lev el material or valued tasks or transactions - then blaming them when it all goes tits up.
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Thank you EA....thank you :evil:
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Thank you EA....thank you :evil:
I really don't see what EA have to do with giving stuff away for free.
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Thank you EA....thank you :evil:
I really don't see what EA have to do with giving stuff away for free.
I am also confused :(.
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I thought everyone knew CCP hired an ex-EA exec for operations and marketing?? Or did you think all this shit was happening at the same time by the grace of a bitter God?
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I guess I just expected his presence to be felt through the medium of micro-transactions that make sense at first, but turn out to be p2win upon inspection. I guess if he is responsible, hats off to his sense of restraint - but this is still a dick move.
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Slowly and surely, he is tempting admin with promises of higher subs, less vitriolic bitter vets, shoveled shit to look like 'new content,' and lots of money.
People keep saying this is just conspiracy theorizing, but from a business perspective, it makes sense to me.
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(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-LG-qruGnYc4/UAw5IzeJMnI/AAAAAAAAACQ/k0bc9aQzBm0/s1600/rabble.jpg)
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I thought everyone knew CCP hired an ex-EA exec for operations and marketing?? Or did you think all this shit was happening at the same time by the grace of a bitter God?
The thing that people are confused about is that this isn't an EA like move.
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(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-LG-qruGnYc4/UAw5IzeJMnI/AAAAAAAAACQ/k0bc9aQzBm0/s1600/rabble.jpg)
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They're irreleveant NOW? Specifically NOW?
well, when there's a lot of unreleased content, NeX clothes for example, that could have been used as rewards for the live events, but CCP says "No" to that, then... what is the purpose of live events ?
with recent changes in policies, live events in future will be loot pinatas without the loot, and their effect on the "storyline" is trivial. So, why bother getting involved ? Other than to :drama: at other RPers (as if drama is a scarce commodity).
Participation is its own reward? vOv. If people want to wait around all day for something to happen, fly many jumps only to arrive as things are winding down, and/or explode without feeling like their presence meant anything, they can do all that already. In some cases, do all that and make ISK so doing.
So... vOv
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Also, did they get round to issuing the Battle of Caldari Prime medals at all yet ?
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C/P from another blog:
CCP's Marketing Department is really handout-happy with the exclusive ships. It's starting to get vexing, and I say this as a terribad roleplayer.
CCP has a bunch of reskinned ships in the database already. They should give us a means of selecting paint job from the stock ones, or linking paintjobs with LP store 'navy' versions of the ships. (IE, the Scorpion Ishukone Watch Issue has the stats of a Scorpion Navy Issue, but the Ishukone skin, and comes via the Ishukone and Ishukone Watch LP store; uses existing balance, gives a shiny ship a use, and fractures the navy market a tiny bit.)
Voila. Content. Easy to make, uses lots of 'new' assets CCP started making ages ago, and sidesteps this terrible marketing love of digital incentives. ("It's free! Doesn't cost us anything! Except the satisfaction and support of the existing player base.")
The exclusive ships-- ugh. Just, ugh. Someone needs to slap CCP marketing. They're doing a disservice to the game.
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CCP caved on giving away the Magnate and the G-Vexor ( https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=281298&find=unread )
Still favouring Somer though.
Changed prices to some cruiser revealed or a fully paid fanfest ticket.
Somer will be laughing all the way to the bank.
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tl;dr the whole thing is hilariously hypocritical.
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Doesn't look very professional.
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CCP crisis management tends to go thusly:
"Oh god, his leg's come off, quick, give me the transfusion kit"
'Surely you mean the tourniquet first, right?'
"No, this man needs a transfusion!"
'He's still bleeding out.'
"Then we just need to transfuse(?) faster! Now give me your arm or you're fired!"
Replace blood with money/credibility/jobs as appropriate and the metaphor becomes horrifying reality.
This on-going PR mismanagement farce is reaching an almost Jeeves and Wooster level of odd-couple buffonery between the community and CCP respectively.
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Is that how the whole eve community thinks as well of that situation ? Or just us ?
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I'm all for reintroducing some of the rarer ships. I think catering to a handful of "collectors" and denying the rest of the players any means at all to acquire some of these items is far worse than CCP supporting their player communities. The somer crowd is just as valid a group as our little elitist club.
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That's only half of the issue, Karm. The idea is that EVE is a game where history matters. The ship existed. It got blown up. Leave it that way.
The other half of the issue is the more important one. Blink is a group of players. CCP is essentially handing them Trillions of ISK and expecting everyone to be okay with that.
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That's only half of the issue, Karm. The idea is that EVE is a game where history matters. The ship existed. It got blown up. Leave it that way.
The other half of the issue is the more important one. Blink is a group of players. CCP is essentially handing them Trillions of ISK and expecting everyone to be okay with that.
This. CCP first gives Somer a bag of isk that is represented by the Gold Magnate.
Receiving feedback, which as they do not live on our plane of existence they do not understand, they respond by saying 'The problem surely must be the fact that the bag of isk is coloured gold, if we put it in a different coloured bag, everything will be fine.'.
They just do not seem to understand that it isn't about a club that isn't OURS getting the ISK - but the fact that ANY club is getting isk at all. If they lotto it - make it a lottery event with PLEX as tickets or something. Do some good, but most of all, do not favour a money making website, even if they only make spacebux.
A CCP plex or AUR lotto paying out to get well gamers or any charity you wish to mention, would be a PR coup with real impact on the world (ethical and practical complaints about charitties not withstanding). Handing a trillion space bux in a different looking shell item to any member of the player base, is essentially sanctioned favouritism, and thus unacceptable.
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Is that how the whole eve community thinks as well of that situation ? Or just us ?
Addressing your reply specifically, I do not speak for any community - I am just saying what it looks like to me. The evidence of how the community is reacting is verifiable by reading any GD discussion with dev replies that aren't locks - it is not pretty.
As mentioned in previous posts, I am pretty opposed to the 'community' lie with regards to EVE - this is just people responding with shared outrage because CCP once again fails to uphold it's own self-stated values.
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While an in-game lotto would be preferable. CCP is free to reward fan sites that they feel help market their game. I know RPers who have been given free PLEX for their blogs. Trusting Somer with cool prizes to give away is hardly that different, especially since Somer is sponsoring a large EVE event.
Some of those rare items were given out for fairly arbitrary reasons in the past. I think the Opux yacht was given to two players that got married. As someone married to an EVE player I think this is horribly unfair and I want my free stuff! Rabble!
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While an in-game lotto would be preferable. CCP is free to reward fan sites that they feel help market their game. I know RPers who have been given free PLEX for their blogs. Trusting Somer with cool prizes to give away is hardly that different, especially since Somer is sponsoring a large EVE event.
Some of those rare items were given out for fairly arbitrary reasons in the past. I think the Opux yacht was given to two players that got married. As someone married to an EVE player I think this is horribly unfair and I want my free stuff! Rabble!
Then why are they suddenly outraged when a specific group of RPers get rewarded by having event actors coming in their channels or ICly responding to them ?
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While an in-game lotto would be preferable. CCP is free to reward fan sites that they feel help market their game. I know RPers who have been given free PLEX for their blogs. Trusting Somer with cool prizes to give away is hardly that different, especially since Somer is sponsoring a large EVE event.
Some of those rare items were given out for fairly arbitrary reasons in the past. I think the Opux yacht was given to two players that got married. As someone married to an EVE player I think this is horribly unfair and I want my free stuff! Rabble!
Then why are they suddenly outraged when a specific group of RPers get rewarded by having event actors coming in their channels or ICly responding to them ?
exactly my issue.
In addition, Game rewards should be linked to in-game actions or even *cringe* micro-transaction or purchases from CCP
I also have also long thought that these 3rd party sites lotto sites are scams - how does one know which is legit and which is not? Does CCP really want to link up so close to them they could be responsible for any legal issues associated with them?
Edit - this last point is apparently being made by quite a few on the eve forums. Quite a bleepstorm over this.
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Forge a reputation that matters in EVE's single-server environment (http://www.eveonline.com/universe/)
Player forges reputation as being the one that shot Pilot X who was flying the Ship Y.
CCP says "nope, respawn!"
Players shouldn't be in the position of having to remind CCP about one of the central aspects of the single-server environment, and how that makes actions of players important.
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exactly my issue.
In addition, Game rewards should be linked to in-game actions or even *cringe* micro-transaction or purchases from CCP
I also have also long thought that these 3rd party sites lotto sites are scams - how does one know which is legit and which is not? Does CCP really want to link up so close to them they could be responsible for any legal issues associated with them?
Edit - this last point is apparently being made by quite a few on the eve forums. Quite a bleepstorm over this.
I've also wandered about the nature of the lotto/betting/poker sites tied to EVE; I took a look at one during the Alliance Tournament and on one hand, it looked safe, but as a person who deals with aspects of cyber-security where I work, I'm always leery of financial offerings on the web.
To the issue about the ship and etc...On one hand, I'd like to say I find it neat that CCP is working with a player-run group and event. Yet, on the other hand, it kind of sends mixed messages with their current stance of player-run events and CCP actors being involved. Just my personal observation. I think a company that is willing to reward players for doing stuff to either enhance the gaming experience of a large population of the player base or to enhance the appeal and attract new players is pretty cool. I don't think a lotto or poker site is really enhancing the game itself and from someone looking at getting into EVE, having these sites associated with the game could turn some people off of it (that said, there really isn't much a company can do to prevent gold/isk/[insert unique currency here] sites from popping up promising vast riches so long as you provide said site with access to your account).
Again, I don't know CCP that well (I've only played four months, and have mostly just stuck to this forum and the IGS forum) so I don't know what their situation is like at their end. However, just from what has happened the last couple of weeks, it strikes me that there have been some major shortfalls in player-company relations/interactions. I've already said elsewhere that CCP ought to have had and maintained RP channels of their own to give all players access to actors and devs. Looking at this lotto thing, it strikes me that CCP could have saved some grief by running their own in game lottery/betting style channel and interface, especially with some of the concerns about whether or not using the API is a breach of the ToS/EULA.
One of the things that I did like about Blizzard and WoW was that over the years, Blizzard started to incorporate some of the third-party mods into the game itself, thus cutting down on the number of plug-ins and possible hacks people were running. I'm not saying that Blizzard is the best example, but they have dominated the MMO market for a while now and it doesn't hurt to look at the big dog and learn from both their successes and failures.
As to the Gold Magnate and other unique or uber-ultra-unique ships that have come into the game...those should be left as ultra rare. I mean, they re-skinned the Magnate for the 10th anniversery and called it something else (can't remember now, but Steff has one sitting in one of her hangars) so I can't see why they can't do something like that. Leave the Gold Magnate alone and give it a new look and a different name.
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Good news, just talked to Entity. Seems the Gold Mandates will not be given out, it'll just be a re-skinned SOE cruiser.
Seems Entity (and people of influence) went to town on CCP.
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This has been known for a while. Its a reskinned (and restatted) cruiser, along with the option to get an all expenses paid trip to the next Fanfest.
So you know, not really solving the second of the two issues.
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Forge a reputation that matters in EVE's single-server environment (http://www.eveonline.com/universe/)
Player forges reputation as being the one that shot Pilot X who was flying the Ship Y.
CCP says "nope, respawn!"
Players shouldn't be in the position of having to remind CCP about one of the central aspects of the single-server environment, and how that makes actions of players important.
It's THE thing that sets Eve apart from the rest: single server, shit matters. Eve has a genuine history that simply could not exist in any other MMO. The Internet is awash with fond stories of Eve from players past and present, and for good reason. Every other MMO I have played makes a big play of telling you how important you are: a conceit that is undermined by just about every single aspect of game design. Messing with that distinction is a pretty dangerous move.
Want to dish out some unique ship as a prize? Fine. But you damn well better make a new, unique ship.
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24 hours old now and the source is TMC so get out your salt lick and all of that.
http://themittani.com/news/ccp-secretly-gifted-somer-blink-ishukone-scorpions
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To stem it a bit (albeit I'm not really fond of it) CCP did announce in advance (now about a year or more I believe?) that they would release Ishkuone Scorpions slowly over the year(s) in various events as prizes, both ingame & outgame. So it's not really a new thing.
After what I said, my own note. Quite some Caldari RP'ers helped escorting the freighters to Caldari prime who carried a few of these. This included indvidiuals, Corps & Alliance Caldari RP'ers. It does irk me that random folks who have nothing to do with these events get a neat RP skinned ship that was tied to this event, while the participating RP folks didn't got something.
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Well, it just gets better and better, doesn't it ?
"No special ships for live events, live events should be their own rewards, we don't want to upset any collectors, it would devalue things"
"here, let's give uncommon ships to our buddies, but ssssh, must be quiet about it"
Meh.
Edit: Assuming that's for real, and not just more stirring by whoever, to get people annoyed, or to end up with no new limited issue ships for anyone.
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This is really sickening to me.
While its important to note that in terms of timeline, the Ishukone Watch Scorpions came before the Golden Magnate, its also infinitely more scummy. It confirms that someone at CCP (probably CCP Navigator) has some sort of favoritism for Blink, since as far as I am aware so far Blink is the only community site that has been offered or given the ships. Chribba hasn't. EOH hasn't. I'm pretty sure the operators of Backstage haven't. If these are, in fact, supposed to be rewards given out to people who are important to the community, surely there are more deserving recipients than a gambling website.
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This is really sickening to me.
While its important to note that in terms of timeline, the Ishukone Watch Scorpions came before the Golden Magnate, its also infinitely more scummy. It confirms that someone at CCP (probably CCP Navigator) has some sort of favoritism for Blink, since as far as I am aware so far Blink is the only community site that has been offered or given the ships. Chribba hasn't. EOH hasn't. I'm pretty sure the operators of Backstage haven't. If these are, in fact, supposed to be rewards given out to people who are important to the community, surely there are more deserving recipients than a gambling website.
We haven't, for the record (to my knowledge, anyway). Unless, that is, Silver was the one who got them and just never handed them out. :P
And I don't disagree in the slightest. After the shit they gave us about user-moderated channels (which, by the way, is a rule not universally enforced across all channels, apparently), you'd think that this would be an obvious no-no.
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(which, by the way, is a rule not universally enforced across all channels, apparently)
Que?
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CCP hypocrisy is hardly new.
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The second time I did the fiction competition, Zapatero got in touch to have the winner potentially be published in EON. I've never heard anything from CCP as far as items for Backstage, but then we also don't run a lot of contests or giveaways.
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The second time I did the fiction competition, Zapatero got in touch to have the winner potentially be published in EON. I've never heard anything from CCP as far as items for Backstage, but then we also don't run a lot of contests or giveaways.
1) Having someone who writes a piece of Eve Fiction potentially included in EON is a cool, but it seems like that takes a bit of effort on the winners part.
2) Clearly the staff need to run some contests/giveaways! :twisted:
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24 hours old now and the source is TMC so get out your salt lick and all of that.
http://themittani.com/news/ccp-secretly-gifted-somer-blink-ishukone-scorpions
The ships tend to sell for 10-20 billion ISK meaning that the gift was worth 300-600 billion ISK.
That is upwards of 1000 plex! Or if you bought 28 chucks... 35 x 28 pack @ ~$490 +1 x 12 pack @ ~$210 + 1 x 6 pack @ ~$105 + 1 x 2 pack @ ~$35.
The gift CCP gave these guys is worth ~$17,500.
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A question to the live events team about possible rewards for live events, received a response that said that the events team are unable to provide rewards that have an ingame value attached, and that the only direct item rewards would be any loot from destroyed actor ships, which is strictly limited to T1/meta and T2 items.
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I'm tempted to ask the same question, waiting for the answer, and then asking why is that Blink is getting a different answer.
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Given that the Live Events team did do that 'scavenger hunt' giveaway over the summer, I suspect this probably falls into the issue of internal rules regarding which teams are allowed to do giveaways - i.e., reward giveaways probably have to be run past marketing and/or IA before they can be done.
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I'm trying so hard to not bittervet these days and find fresh fun. It's really hard when you come from the blooder background :cry: