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If you aren't up to date on Game of Thrones then avoid.
If you did watch last night's episode, or know what happens, you might find this youtube compilation of reactions hilarious.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=78juOpTM3tE#!
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Yeah, so, my own reaction was something very much like that.
While I was reading the scene in the book.
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Yea I think in the show they did a bit too much 'foreboding' leading up to things, if I recall when I read that part of the book it just HAPPENED like HOLY SHIT WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON. I think I noticed a much 'darker' leading up to things on the episode.
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Hopefully everyone stays dead on the TV show.
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Yeah, so, my own reaction was something very much like that.
While I was reading the scene in the book.
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Going to be a prick, but the HBO version is pretty bland in comparison.
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The first few books were well done but the later ones suffer from serious bloat. I suspect that the TV show will maintain pacing a bit better as the director can't say, 'We're just going to have this season be one-and-half times longer than the previous one.'
Likewise, they're not going to have an entire season where [retracted], [retracted], and [retracted] don't show up. At this point, they're the main characters.
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Yeah, book 4 and 5 were extremely boring at times. Transitional books, may I hope ? :/
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What's the deal with the dragon lady? I don't watch or read any of this, but she's the only character I remotely care about.
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What's the deal with the dragon lady? I don't watch or read any of this, but she's the only character I remotely care about.
The Princess? (http://youtu.be/XLJLyYASalM)
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Without even looking at the video - may I assume they got to the Red Wedding? That's typically what produces the most "...wait, what the !@)(!(@*&#&* ?!" reactions from GoT fans.
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Hole in one.
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Yea the video is 6 minutes of ... video of people watching that scene not knowing what's going to happen and freaking the hell out. It's all kinds of hilarious.
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What's the deal with the dragon lady? I don't watch or read any of this, but she's the only character I remotely care about.
The Princess? (http://youtu.be/XLJLyYASalM)
What information are you looking for?
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Apparently they hooked her up with some closet kidnapper/rapist and she has Stockholm syndrome?
Heard this a few weeks ago and I got real bent out of shape about it, but I can't figure out the story to see if that's the actual case.
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Yea the video is 6 minutes of ... video of people watching that scene not knowing what's going to happen and freaking the hell out. It's all kinds of hilarious.
Yep. Pretty much the point where Martin shows that this is not your momma's gritty fantasy, and despite a superficial resemblance to Santa Claus, he's a cold, hard motherf*cker who thinks nothing of dashing your dreams on storm-wracked cliffs.
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Apparently they hooked her up with some closet kidnapper/rapist and she has Stockholm syndrome?
No.
Her brother married her off to a warlord in exchange for an army, but the warlord ended up killing the brother. Said warlord's army was a band of raping, pillaging horseriders.
Dragon Lady saves a healer from being raped by the warlord's men and the healer kills the warlord and makes Dragon Lady barren.
During the funeral, Dragon Lady walks into the pyre with a group of dragon eggs but instead of dying, the flames don't touch her and the eggs hatch. She then takes control of the warlord's army and heads west to claim her throne.
She thinks of the warlord fondly, but he's been dead for... three books now? She's busy conquering cities, being a queen, and taking care of three very large, very hungry dragons.
Dragon Lady is 14 when she marries the warlord so their sexual relations qualify as statutory rape. This is because GRRM has his characters kill their first man at 10 and be hardened killers by 14. In the TV series, they've made all the kid characters older.
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Apparently they hooked her up with some closet kidnapper/rapist and she has Stockholm syndrome?
No.
Her brother married her off to a warlord in exchange for an army, but the warlord ended up killing the brother. Said warlord's army was a band of raping, pillaging horseriders.
Dragon Lady saves a healer from being raped by the warlord's men and the healer kills the warlord and makes Dragon Lady barren.
During the funeral, Dragon Lady walks into the pyre with a group of dragon eggs but instead of dying, the flames don't touch her and the eggs hatch. She then takes control of the warlord's army and heads west to claim her throne.
She thinks of the warlord fondly, but he's been dead for... three books now? She's busy conquering cities, being a queen, and taking care of three very large, very hungry dragons.
Dragon Lady is 14 when she marries the warlord so their sexual relations qualify as statutory rape. This is because GRRM has his characters kill their first man at 10 and be hardened killers by 14. In the TV series, they've made all the kid characters older.
This is substantially better to hear than what I had been led to believe. The bit about the healer making her barren seems out of the left field, though. I suppose there is intrigue there probably, but I struggle to see the point of that detail.
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The bit about the healer
[spoiler]is basically a case of the healer going "...yeah, you stopped them from raping me further - after it'd already repeatedly happened and your little horde had utterly decimated my home. So no, I don't like you - so I attached some unmentioned strings to the healing magic I used on your husband (which I knew wouldn't work anyhow)."[/spoiler]
Hole in one.
I kind of figured. The Red Wedding got to a lot of readers of the series (myself included) because it, in a series which thrives on having people survive to carry a grudge, resulted in the utter termination of a couple of plot threads (and characters) we'd followed from the beginning of the series and represented not one but two of the major factions being apparently eliminated from the titular game.
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What I find awesome is that they had friends who saw it coming and decided to record those who have not read the books reaction.
It will be interesting to hear what my boss has to say about it if he watched it tonight.
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What I find most hilarious is the hipsters who have ragequit the entire series because of the Red Wedding, and have even cursed GRRM's name even though that part of the tale was written some 13 years ago.
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This is substantially better to hear than what I had been led to believe. The bit about the healer making her barren seems out of the left field, though. I suppose there is intrigue there probably, but I struggle to see the point of that detail.
The book is a very solid piece of fantasy. HBO's version is very good, but it still is no comparison. I, for example, was rather disappointed by this episode because it didn't click with me as it did years ago in the books. Daenerys getting her army, for example, (two? episodes earlier) clicked very well with me, so it's not necessarily a "Books are better because that's why"-attitude.
In regard to the healer it's one of those little acts of mercy. The healer's people/folk/settlement/tribe/whatever got more or less slaughtered and plundered by the warlord's guys. Daenerys stepped in to prevent the rape. You can imagine that this is just a minor good thing compared to the whole slaughtering business. There's a bit more intrigue to the whole storyline with the Maegi, and it mostly focusing around the neat mantra of "No good deed shall go unpunished."
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It's not 'no good deed goes unpunished' but 'even minor characters are people.'
The Red Wedding works because we know Robb and Catelyn are the IMPORTANT character while Walder Frey is a minor character. Robb breaking a pact with Walder might have consequences, but Walder's not a viewpoint character and hasn't had much build up.
What happens is like an episode of Star Trek where the villain of the week kills Captain Picard. For reals.
Likewise, we know that Daenerys and Khal Drogo are IMPORTANT characters, so when Daenerys rescues a random woman from being raped, we expect gratitude. After all, it's clear to us (through Daenerys' viewpoint) that Daenerys is a kind, wonderful lady while Drogo is an awesome, handsome lord.
Of course, the random woman doesn't see it that way. She sees them as mass murdering rapists who butchered her family and then expected gratitude -- which is exactly what they are. So she kills their leader and his son.
We see the exact same thing happen with Jon Snow later on.
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What's the deal with the dragon lady? I don't watch or read any of this, but she's the only character I remotely care about.
I hate that character so much... She often makes no sense at all, is bland, and sounds like directly coming from one of the author's phantasm.
What's the deal with the dragon lady? I don't watch or read any of this, but she's the only character I remotely care about.
The Princess? (http://youtu.be/XLJLyYASalM)
What information are you looking for?
ye
Apparently they hooked her up with some closet kidnapper/rapist and she has Stockholm syndrome?
Heard this a few weeks ago and I got real bent out of shape about it, but I can't figure out the story to see if that's the actual case.
She already got the Stockholm syndrom with the Dotraki chief anyway.
No actually the new one is some kind of "dashing" mercenary. If dashing is really the good term anyway.
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Apparently they hooked her up with some closet kidnapper/rapist and she has Stockholm syndrome?
No.
Her brother married her off to a warlord in exchange for an army, but the warlord ended up killing the brother. Said warlord's army was a band of raping, pillaging horseriders.
Dragon Lady saves a healer from being raped by the warlord's men and the healer kills the warlord and makes Dragon Lady barren.
During the funeral, Dragon Lady walks into the pyre with a group of dragon eggs but instead of dying, the flames don't touch her and the eggs hatch. She then takes control of the warlord's army and heads west to claim her throne.
She thinks of the warlord fondly, but he's been dead for... three books now? She's busy conquering cities, being a queen, and taking care of three very large, very hungry dragons.
Dragon Lady is 14 when she marries the warlord so their sexual relations qualify as statutory rape. This is because GRRM has his characters kill their first man at 10 and be hardened killers by 14. In the TV series, they've made all the kid characters older.
This is substantially better to hear than what I had been led to believe. The bit about the healer making her barren seems out of the left field, though. I suppose there is intrigue there probably, but I struggle to see the point of that detail.
She made a deal with the devil.
The warlord husband was fatally injured in a challenge by a subordinate, and our Dragon Princess made a deal with the witch to bring him back to life. The Witch said their would be a cost, but our princess said 'fuck it I don't care do it anyway.'
Witch brings the warlod back to life, but of course it's not in any usable shape, he comes back as a catatonic deaf-mute staring into space, and the cost is the Princess loses her pregnancy and any chance at future children.
Dragon lady then has the witch burned alive if I recall.
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What happens is like an episode of Star Trek where the villain of the week kills Captain Picard. For reals.
Then gets resurrected in either a book series or through the use of cinematic deus ex machina. :P
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Dragon lady then has the witch burned alive if I recall.
Yep. And gets three dragons and a near religiously-devoted horde at her back out of that deal, which at least puts her not so deeply in the negative out of the whole business (although she may not see it that way...)
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The bad thing about the Fire and Ice books is the fact that you have to keep yourself emotionally separate from the characters if you do not want to feel sad or betrayed when the characters that have things going their way even for a little bit get curb stomped.
Well, bad thing for me.
I forgot to do that reading the latest one and I was fucking pissed at the end.
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Flat out love the books. Loved them since they first came out. Was annoyed that GRRM working on the various screenplays delayed the new books coming out.
That said, the series is amazing. No way did I think they could create a series that was entertaining while carrying on anything close to the subtlty, nueance and impact as the books.
Basically, the books are great, and do very well what books are very good at doing. The TV series, in my opinion, is pretty transcendent. Its changed my views of what a TV series can do.
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The TV series is quite good overall (minus the mandatory HBO 10 min porn in every episode).
It is just not very good when you have read the books, at least, for a few of us. Even the last books have become... tedious, full of empty scenes. :/
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The mandatory porn is annoying. I remember a Littlefinger monologue over listless, soul-dead girl on girl action, complete with zombie moans.
The first three books are amazing, but things get seriously long-winded after that. I guess the script writers will have to do some heavy editing to keep things at least mildly interesting to a TV audience.
Apropos of nothing and about six glasses of Gallo family Merlot: I heard GRRM ain't allowed to do Twitter no more, because he'll kill those 140 characters off in no time.