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For those who haven't seen it: http://community.eveonline.com/news/newsFromEve.asp?of=true&newsTitle=tibus-heth-shot
TIBUS HETH SHOT BY MYSTERY ASSAILANT AT NEW CALDARI POLITICAL RALLY, CONDITION UNKNOWN
reported by CCP Gnauton | 2012-11-30T17:00:08Z
Tibus Heth, Executor of the Caldari State, has been shot by an unknown assailant at a Provist political rally in the major metropolis of Okushin on New Caldari Prime. The attack, which took place shortly after noon today, caused widespread panic among the assembled crowd of roughly 12,000, necessitating Provist interventionary measures that at last count have left three dead and approximately 200 injured.
Martial law has been declared in the greater Okushin area, with planetwide security measures coming into effect throughout New Caldari Prime. The Caldari Navy and armed forces are on high alert and have ordered reinforcements into every post in the neighboring systems. A defensive forward point has been established by the Caldari Navy off the shoulder of New Caldari Prime, reportedly numbering several capital and subcapital Navy vessels.
Three minutes into Heth's second speech of the day, shortly after a noontime break in the proceedings, a loud report was heard from somewhere to the left of center in the crowd. His body snapping back and sideways, Heth lost his footing and fell, with camera recordings of the incident displaying a small dappling of blood on the ground nearby. Provist security forces responded immediately, firing stun rounds into the crowd. It is unknown at this time whether they have had any success in apprehending the perpetrator, though a number of eyewitness reports indicate a confrontation later took place between Provists and an unidentified robed figure, who apparently dispatched over a dozen guards in armed and hand-to-hand combat before being overpowered and dragged away.
Heth was rushed into a medical shuttle and taken away by the Provist guard. No reports have as yet surfaced regarding his condition.
The Kimotoro Stock Exchange has closed for the rest of the day, while businesses and schools all over the State have likewise shut down early. Several dozen impromptu vigils have formed in the State's largest public areas, and broadcasts are awash with replays of the footage, as well as heated speculation on the nature of the attack.
Neither the Caldari Providence Directorate nor the Chief Executive Panel could be reached for comment.
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Oh heck yes.
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Provists and an unidentified robed figure, who apparently dispatched over a dozen guards in armed and hand-to-hand combat before being overpowered and dragged away.
Some body wanted that man dead.
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\o/
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James Syagrius> Giggles hysterically.
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Watch his replacement kick off a war. I too am giggling. But more like a hyena.
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Just when I consider going all anti-Heth, he gets shot.
Well, here's hoping the robed figure is an Amarrian and this is the beginning of a proper everyone vs. everyone kind of war.
Edit: Or it's probably Ishukone.
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Inb4Broker :lol:
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Just when I consider going all anti-Heth, he gets shot.
Well, here's hoping the robed figure is an Amarrian and this is the beginning of a proper everyone vs. everyone kind of war.
Edit: Or it's probably Ishukone.
Me, I've been thinking it's Diana Kim trying to shoot at a Gallente-shaped shadow and missing. :p (Yes, I'm joking)
Or it's the ghost of Gariushi.
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<edit: offensive>
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<Edit: unrelated>
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oh boy, would it be fair to say that im getting nervous to think this somehow be blamed on the Federation and suddenly all the squids will go on a rampage?
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I think that'd be entirely fair, though personally I am astounded at the stoicism shown but the Caldari rper community. I was really expecting frothing apoplectic rage and hate crimes left and right. It has been an odd, but rewarding, day for rp on my end.
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Stoicism is highly Caldari. The people who play them know what's up.
Also, there are probably plenty of them who are secretly hoping he's dead and the Megacorps will take control again as they should.
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Fratricide ! JFR is the culprit !
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JFR would make a better head of state, tbh.
Just imagine him at those super secret meetings (http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/514_(Chronicle))... being that guy leaning waaaay back in his chair with his feet on the table, trying to sing a song with fart sounds. While everyone else glares at him... so he stops and goes, "What? It helps me think."
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To be honest, I am expecting this to be the explanation for the Templis Dragonaurs being a DUST NPC corp - while previously it was a bit of a stretch for an officially unconnected and unsanctioned terrorist group to have top-level State tech like that, after an incident like this it's rather more understandable. Even if not an official delivery of tech to the Dragonaurs, it's easier to see how some enraged Provist who was part of the State's DUST program to hand over the tech.
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If Sukuuvestaa comes out on top, I am cool with a return to the old ways. For totally non-personal reasons.
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What do I expect is a new wave of offense towards federation and minmatars.
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To be honest, I am expecting this to be the explanation for the Templis Dragonaurs being a DUST NPC corp - while previously it was a bit of a stretch for an officially unconnected and unsanctioned terrorist group to have top-level State tech like that, after an incident like this it's rather more understandable. Even if not an official delivery of tech to the Dragonaurs, it's easier to see how some enraged Provist who was part of the State's DUST program to hand over the tech.
Could also be an introduction of the Arkombine.
The EVE setting isn't usually one to involve solitary expert warriors fending off multiple opponents with sheer martial skill, except there is one new group that could do that now - DUST soldiers. Heth was one of the ones who ran first-generation clone programs, and one of the instigators of the Empyrean War. He's a high value target for angry clone soldiers, and it'd be easy for the resistance within the State to motivate one of them to take a contract.
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Remember children, if you are going to assassinate someone wear something inconspicuous like a robe.
(http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/Facepalm+Colage.+Eeyup_40a9a2_3197505.gif)
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and black glasses and fedora!
and piece of black cloth over nose and mouth!
hell yea
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obv. there was a latex catsuit under the robes.
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obv. there was a latex catsuit under the robes.
Gallentean. Definitely.
:lol:
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I think that'd be entirely fair, though personally I am astounded at the stoicism shown but the Caldari rper community. I was really expecting frothing apoplectic rage and hate crimes left and right. It has been an odd, but rewarding, day for rp on my end.
Who liked him anyway? The entire EA storyline essentially killed parts of the Caldari RP community at the time.
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me :oops:
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me :oops:
Is that you, Diana Kim? Galaxy Pig?
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I think that'd be entirely fair, though personally I am astounded at the stoicism shown but the Caldari rper community. I was really expecting frothing apoplectic rage and hate crimes left and right. It has been an odd, but rewarding, day for rp on my end.
Who liked him anyway? The entire EA storyline essentially killed parts of the Caldari RP community at the time.
Sol likes him on the basis of 'leads massive charge to the homeworld, plants flag at perceived risk to his own life' - The books ruined it OOC, ICly I don't have the reader's digest of his crippling insecurity and Broker issues ;).
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To be honest, I am expecting this to be the explanation for the Templis Dragonaurs being a DUST NPC corp - while previously it was a bit of a stretch for an officially unconnected and unsanctioned terrorist group to have top-level State tech like that, after an incident like this it's rather more understandable. Even if not an official delivery of tech to the Dragonaurs, it's easier to see how some enraged Provist who was part of the State's DUST program to hand over the tech.
Could also be an introduction of the Arkombine.
The EVE setting isn't usually one to involve solitary expert warriors fending off multiple opponents with sheer martial skill, except there is one new group that could do that now - DUST soldiers. Heth was one of the ones who ran first-generation clone programs, and one of the instigators of the Empyrean War. He's a high value target for angry clone soldiers, and it'd be easy for the resistance within the State to motivate one of them to take a contract.
Good point
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I don't mind Heth, I think the character is interesting outside of the novels, since I havent bothered to read them.
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Screw Heth, I'm waiting to see what Jamyl does. The expansion's gotta be called Retribution for a reason, and the Empire hasn't exactly avenged the invasion...
Yet.
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Sol likes him on the basis of 'leads massive charge to the homeworld, plants flag at perceived risk to his own life' - The books ruined it OOC, ICly I don't have the reader's digest of his crippling insecurity and Broker issues ;).
Here we can see as excessive information, available to RP-ers can ruin their RP :/ Really, no one expects you to dig into Heths dirty change clothes. If you are Caldari, then just show blind loyalty as it befits honorable citizens!
But what we see is counterwise: huge amount of rebels and outcasts, like majority of baseliner scum suddenly got capsule licenses, and loyal capsuleers returned to their homes. IMHO this shouldn't be this way! Really, this number of mutineers is a bit too much for a Caldari behavior.
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Almost forgot...
to Seri:
"Anyway, I'm sure Dear Leader is fine."
XOXO!
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A very interesting turn of event, see were it leads to...
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I tend to agree on Ael's view. Knowing all the stuff from TEA is what makes this character difficult. When taken at the "IC knowledge" level I find Heth an astoundingly easier to like/accept than the other leaders. 514 chronicle confirmed this.
Although I can understand that the TEA thing was quite a hit for the established RP community. I just do no t agree on the severity - "crippling" would be a very strong word.
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Screw Heth, I'm waiting to see what Jamyl does. The expansion's gotta be called Retribution for a reason, and the Empire hasn't exactly avenged the invasion...
Yet.
This, really!
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Screw Heth, I'm waiting to see what Jamyl does. The expansion's gotta be called Retribution for a reason, and the Empire hasn't exactly avenged the invasion...
Yet.
This, really!
Might have been right...if Retribution's main menu wasn't Gallente-themed...but it could be both!
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It's Gallente Themed?
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Has the Gallente regional nebula in the background, and a Gallente station for the main menu of Retribution.
Considering the two bigger empires were the ones that got whacked four+ years ago, no reason the both of them will be 'retributive'. There's just been hints of it with the appearance of FedNav CCP actors related to the Tripwire...
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Seri, have you seen seen Retribution picture on eve site? Guess whose station is under attack by guess whose ships? :P
But I have to agree on Tripwire part. And the main problem I see are not these two actors discussing about titan, but all this new Crimewatch-thingie and related attack rights. This means, that Gallente might be able to attack Caldari forces in Luminaire. And this fight won't be in Caldari favor because of supply lines.
And, you know, still this all is just speculations. Only two days to wait ;)
Or I can't wait, need to check something on test server!! :eek:
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Screw Heth, I'm waiting to see what Jamyl does. The expansion's gotta be called Retribution for a reason, and the Empire hasn't exactly avenged the invasion...
Yet.
Maybe we will also have a gallente retribution...
For once they might move their asses to do something.
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Finishes transferring a few billion isk to a unmarked account.
Oh no Heth was shot! How dare they.. evil people trying to.. erm.. yay?
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Interesting news indeed!
I nearly did not mind Heth, but an "Executor of the Caldari State" is not how I envision the Caldari.
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Finishes transferring a few billion isk to a unmarked account.
Oh no Heth was shot! How dare they.. evil people trying to.. erm.. yay?
*runs through John Revenent, hitting his back of the head with paper file*
"Punching bag", your words, not my fault! Sorry!
*runs away*
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I just do no t agree on the severity - "crippling" would be a very strong word.
I'd actually go with "a bullet to the back of the head." as a more accurate metaphor for what TEA did to established Caldari RP. So many of my friends quite Eve that year :(
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Has the Gallente regional nebula in the background, and a Gallente station for the main menu of Retribution.
Considering the two bigger empires were the ones that got whacked four+ years ago, no reason the both of them will be 'retributive'. There's just been hints of it with the appearance of FedNav CCP actors related to the Tripwire...
Mah. :( I feel compelled to agree with you given the weight of your arguments. Still, I'm waiting for Jamyl to get back on those Shakorite aggressors. >:)
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Screw Heth, I'm waiting to see what Jamyl does. The expansion's gotta be called Retribution for a reason, and the Empire hasn't exactly avenged the invasion...
Yet.
Maybe we will also have a gallente retribution...
For once they might move their asses to do something.
Unlikely. They are, after all, limp wristed cheese eating surrender monkeys.
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Unlikely. They are, after all, limp wristed cheese eating surrender monkeys.
I am assuming here, ofc, that your joking ;)
I'd love it if we had some Amarrian/Federal revenge and action going on. Long overdue, imho.
It would also be great to get some hard change done on the whole political landscape - liven thigns up a bit. I want to see the Internal Republican changes to parliment and so on, the Imperial re-work of forces after Kador's stunt and the changes to the Mandate and other places, internal Caldari shake-up, some movement to the Federal nations getting it on with actually acting like they exist.
I guess I can sum this up with 'I hope the storyline get's reanimated soon'.
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Jamyl has always been portrayed as such a wimpy, weak-willed character that I doubt she'll be up to much of anything of note.
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Jamyl has always been portrayed as such a wimpy, weak-willed character that I doubt she'll be up to much of anything of note.
Well, as Empress, ass she really have to do is to order all her military to prepare for the invasion of the Republic/Federation alliance and off they go invade. Weak-willed or not, she's Empress and all the other poor folks can do but two things; obey, or be replaced by those who will.
Having said that, I would not mind an arc that get's Jamyl out of the 'I hate women and so all female characters I touch will be weakish and pitiful' hole that TG made for her.
Dear gods I'm still glad he lost his job. That's just sad all on it's own...
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Well if it's speculation time...
Heth dies.
CPD/CBT find out Ishukone hired the trigger man and have been funded by Roden and the Fed for the past 2 years.
FedNav pushes CalNav out of Luminaire in the aftermath of Heth's death.
Patriots launch pogrom against Ishukone for their treason.
Patriots use the death of Heth to turn him into a martyr and launch a second invasion of the Fed.
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New Eden should be burning , and should have been burning for the last several years.
I think the Empires have had enough time to 'consolidate' any leadership transitions from TEA and should be putting boots to necks of enemies at this point.
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Where's the trailer :|
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Erlendur @erlendur
@SindelPellion @EveOnline Soon! :)
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Well if it's speculation time...
Heth dies.
CPD/CBT find out Ishukone hired the trigger man and have been funded by Roden and the Fed for the past 2 years.
FedNav pushes CalNav out of Luminaire in the aftermath of Heth's death.
Adds a few steps:
Kassigainen, Tennen, Yashunen (and possibly Hatakani) get occupied by FedNav forces after the CalNav expulsion.
Some within the Federation government call for a permanent occupation: an expansion of the Gallente side of the Border Zone as reparation for the occupation of Caldari Prime.
The megacorps aren't crazy about this. However, CONCORD is willing to entertain the idea. It calls for talks (possibly in Hatakani itself, since it has a station there).
Patriots launch pogrom against Ishukone for their treason.
Patriots use the death of Heth to turn him into a martyr and launch a second invasion of the Fed.
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As I've never read Tony G and am not someone who's in EVE from the start, I have limited knowledge of how Jamyl was portrayed. I choose to ignore Tony G anyways though, and all I've read about Jamyl doesn't really portray her as "a wimpy, weak-willed character".
Well, unless not directly retaliating after the Matari attack counts as wimpy and weak-willed rather than simply intelligent (I tend towards the latter).
I also don't think that New Eden should be burning. It's not really realistic imho, as war isn't really in the interest of any of the Empires: To great costs for too little rewards.
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As I've never read Tony G and am not someone who's in EVE from the start, I have limited knowledge of how Jamyl was portrayed. I choose to ignore Tony G anyways though, and all I've read about Jamyl doesn't really portray her as "a wimpy, weak-willed character".
Well, unless not directly retaliating after the Matari attack counts as wimpy and weak-willed rather than simply intelligent (I tend towards the latter).
I also don't think that New Eden should be burning. It's not really realistic imho, as war isn't really in the interest of any of the Empires: To great costs for too little rewards.
Long story short Jamyl as portrayed in the 'novels' is more of a 'tortured soul' fighting with being possessed by dead ancient beings, drug-induced lesbian daliances, and, and whining about not wanting to be the Empress.
God-Empress of a trillion devoted holy-warriors she is not.
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I also don't think that New Eden should be burning. It's not really realistic imho, as war isn't really in the interest of any of the Empires: To great costs for too little rewards.
That's the rational part of your brain talking. If they thought like that the State wouldn't have rolled the entire fleet dice on retaking Caldari Prime, the Matari wouldn't have invaded the Empire, etc.
Ambition and rationality don't always go hand in hand, as most rational people wouldn't willingly kill millions of people to get a little more territory, wealth, and status.
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...aaaand he's alive (http://community.eveonline.com/news/newsFromEve.asp?of=true&newsTitle=tibus-heth-stable). And apparently quite upset.
Also, inb4 Arkombine.
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The recording shows that as the robed figure is dragged away its hood falls off, revealing a helmet with a matte black visor. The figure was also seen to be wearing full body armor of unidentified design. It is unknown at this point whether the suspect is dead or alive.
To me this immediately screamed two things.
No.1 - Dust trooper. This is the more likely.
No.2 - The old khanid cyberknight portraits. Less likely, but considerably cooler >.>
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I would be pretty angry, too, tbf.
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New Eden should be burning , and should have been burning for the last several years.
I think the Empires have had enough time to 'consolidate' any leadership transitions from TEA and should be putting boots to necks of enemies at this point.
I don't think actually that New Eden should be burning, or well, not that way at least. We already lost a lot when they decided that the Empires should all be in a proxy war instead of the old cold war they were into, with CONCORD and Yulai in the top of it (UN style but with teeth to enforce it).
It was way more interesting and generating a lot of internal conflict. It also allowed a lot of inter factionnal infighting since the 4 factions were actually not at war. Now that they are, showing internal dissent is unrational and counterproductive... Which limits actually a lot the different conflicts available.
It was also good in the sense that it was easier to see Caldari vs Amarr and Gallente vs Minmatar than now, since both alliances were less formal.
In the end the old situation allowed a lot more granularity, and skirmishes between everyone were less likely to be brought up to a galactic conflict scale everytime (without that war/coalitions combination that we have now).
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I just do no t agree on the severity - "crippling" would be a very strong word.
I'd actually go with "a bullet to the back of the head." as a more accurate metaphor for what TEA did to established Caldari RP. So many of my friends quite Eve that year :(
I wanted to be you friend Hamish :oops:
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As I've never read Tony G and am not someone who's in EVE from the start, I have limited knowledge of how Jamyl was portrayed. I choose to ignore Tony G anyways though, and all I've read about Jamyl doesn't really portray her as "a wimpy, weak-willed character".
Same here. Not read any EVE novels. Not seeing that portrayal at all.
Why do you guys even read stuff that you don't like and know its gonna affect your perception of EVE in a bad way anyway?
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As I've never read Tony G and am not someone who's in EVE from the start, I have limited knowledge of how Jamyl was portrayed. I choose to ignore Tony G anyways though, and all I've read about Jamyl doesn't really portray her as "a wimpy, weak-willed character".
Same here. Not read any EVE novels. Not seeing that portrayal at all.
Why do you guys even read stuff that you don't like and know its gonna affect your perception of EVE in a bad way anyway?
They didn't exactly put that on the back of the book cover when first released
:P
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...aaaand he's alive (http://community.eveonline.com/news/newsFromEve.asp?of=true&newsTitle=tibus-heth-stable).
Yey! My Tibus Heth is alive! :cube:
Ok, ok, now for real:
Nobody except a certain group of people I can think of. A certain group with no affiliation to anyone but themselves. A certain group which some affectionately call eggers.
Oh no, we are all going to die! Run! Hide! We are doomed! Mommy, please born me back!
:roll: hmm... Ok, sorry, now really serious:
Anyone have an idea, what's the deal with guristas? If it were they, why would they want to do this?..
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Well, seems like Heth represents many of the things the Guristas don't like about the State
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I'll posit one of our favorite Guristas supporters might have thrown them a bone as well :)
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Long story short Jamyl as portrayed in the 'novels' is more of a 'tortured soul' fighting with being possessed by dead ancient beings, drug-induced lesbian daliances, and, and whining about not wanting to be the Empress.
God-Empress of a trillion devoted holy-warriors she is not.
As I said, the Tony G books aren't counted under EVE background by me, my chars don't know 95% of the stuff that happened in them anyways, so why should I bother? Also, I think she's not supposed to be God-Empress (That's a Sabik thingy), but rather Caesaropopess.
That's the rational part of your brain talking. If they thought like that the State wouldn't have rolled the entire fleet dice on retaking Caldari Prime, the Matari wouldn't have invaded the Empire, etc.
Ambition and rationality don't always go hand in hand, as most rational people wouldn't willingly kill millions of people to get a little more territory, wealth, and status.
And I think history shows that even though there are episodes of irrationality, most of how it went is subject to rational interests of nations, that go about reaching them in a rational kind of way. Nations don't have ambitions, they have interests. The Caldari retaking of Caldari Prime and the Matari invasion of the Empire (though both had imho their rational elements - though not necessarily from the point of view of the respective political entities, but from the point of view of those grabbing for power within those political entities - people that had ambitions) were bouts of irrationality enough. All out war would just go against my suspension of disbelief.
Also, killing millions of people for a bit more territory, wealth and/or status might very well be the rational thing to do, imho, if the gains outweigh the expected losses. It might not be reasonable to do it anyways, but there is a difference between 'rational' and 'reasonable'. The Nazi's were all in all quite rational and effective in what they were doing, unfortunately they weren't quite that reasonable.
Also, as Lyn pointed out, it's a situation that limits RP more and more within and agmongst the 4 main factions of EVE and as such I think it's a bad thing.
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The recording shows that as the robed figure is dragged away its hood falls off, revealing a helmet with a matte black visor. The figure was also seen to be wearing full body armor of unidentified design.
Well at least it wasn't Ishukone, hopefully. That sounds pretty Arkombine to me, unless it was a specific affiliated group of Dusters.
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The Inner Circle, CONCORD's prime regulatory body, has sat in closed session since early this morning. It is unknown at this point what the subject of their session is, but unconfirmed reports indicate that wide-ranging legislative changes may be under discussion.
Maybe I was wrong. Prelude to Retribution bounty changes...not Caldari Prime at all.
Yet, that FIO devactor still said to watch the news the coming weeks when taunted about CP.