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EVE-Online RP Discussion and Resources => EVE OOC Summit => Topic started by: Ava Starfire on 12 Nov 2012, 07:26
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Hey folks.
Lately the urge to play eve has pretty much died. The few people i did play with and have actual RP with have left, im terrified to join another corp, both because of what happened with Lutinari and because i dont want my history longer for nothing, and it seems like everyone wants to play the sorts of characters that I am just not comfortable RPing (Sanshas, Angels, rabid amarr slavers, rabid minmatar, basically scummy anything)
I basically have no one to play with, whether in roams or RP or whatever. I have tried twice to make moderate Minny RP corps, once it succeeded, mostly, and then died, the second time, no one ever joined, i suspect because of lingering stuff from TRA? Ive debated remaking Ava, or just scrapping her and starting anew, but I do have a lot of time and stuff invested in her.
No idea what to do.
Ava
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There comes a time, at times, where a game just doesn't give you what you want anymore. I'm almost there myself.
There is no shame in finding what makes you passionate, even if we'll miss you here.
Ask Marcus though, we kept in touch even outside of EVE...you don't have to lose your friends.
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Yep. You gotta do what you gotta do as far as the RP thing goes, but I'm friends with the player behind Ava so I would be very sad and dissapointed if you just dissapeared off the face of the earth.
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A totally new character or totally new direction to take this one in might work. It did for me; the big decisions in my EVE "career" both got me re-hooked for good, long whiles. I don't know you well enough to suggest what new direction you'd want to take, though.
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I'll RP with you. Seriphyn is a straight man, especially when you compare him to everyone else. Just does his job, and isn't rabid in any sense since he criticizes his employer in equal parts to praising them (like any citizen of a democracy would).
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I'm not a rabid slaver, I'm a crusading fanatic :P
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I feel for you, Ava. Sometimes it feels like half the people left in the Summit, even, are ones that Esna has no desire to speak to...
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Don't give up, Ava.
You might reconsider joining another corporation. You might find a lot of stress relief joining a non-RP corporation doing the broad strokes of what your character supports (FW, Industry, whatever).
Can let you play the game and not worry 100% of time about your corporate policies, and give you some more leeway with when and where you do your character work.
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Hey folks.
Lately the urge to play eve has pretty much died. The few people i did play with and have actual RP with have left, im terrified to join another corp, both because of what happened with Lutinari and because i dont want my history longer for nothing, and it seems like everyone wants to play the sorts of characters that I am just not comfortable RPing (Sanshas, Angels, rabid amarr slavers, rabid minmatar, basically scummy anything)
I basically have no one to play with, whether in roams or RP or whatever. I have tried twice to make moderate Minny RP corps, once it succeeded, mostly, and then died, the second time, no one ever joined, i suspect because of lingering stuff from TRA? Ive debated remaking Ava, or just scrapping her and starting anew, but I do have a lot of time and stuff invested in her.
No idea what to do.
Ava
That was more or less my feeling 6 months ago when I stopped playing. Ofc I had other issues being other layers of drama and hostility from specific RPers adding to that, but it just made it clearer to me that I had nothing more really keeping me in eve. Every time I logged the past year was just for spinning my ship and watching the summit or other channels I do not really like (not at all to be blunt, which is my own opinion and not a snipe at anyone) hoping to see someone emerging from the masses of people that I had no interest to RP with, for any scraps of RP I could get my hands on.
So yes, all of this made me leave, and that was good somehow, since it was the first time since I started playing (late 2006) that I took a real break. It was weird at the beginning, but I do not regret it and find it quite healthy actually. I found out that a lot of people were basically and insidiously spoiling my experience, and more, my RL life and mood beside it, combined with various RL annoyances, blablabla (you must have seen yourself how bitter and blunt I became on the end). So yes, very healthy.
This is a solution, I guess.
Starting a new toon might work for some people, but not for me, that I am sure. Too many things invested in my character. You just don't dump a 95M SP character like that, and when you already have trouble to find your enjoyment in the game, you will have even more difficulties to find the motivation to start a new blank character....
You can also slightly alter things here and there in your RP, not always the need to radically change everything I think. This is more of a last resort possibility.
Want me to come back and play with you ? I liked to play with you. Not that I am the most active player anymore, and I don't really do in the tribal/minmatar stuff militantism, but well...
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You guys are awesome.
No one need do anything they dont wanna do on my account. Im not sure what ill do, but when I figure it out,I will let you all know. And no, I wont disappear. Ive made several RL friends, and honestly, its only the people that have keep me playing as long as I have.
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Making sure IRLAva does not dissapear is what makes a happy Tib.
<3
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You guys are awesome.
No one need do anything they dont wanna do on my account. Im not sure what ill do, but when I figure it out,I will let you all know. And no, I wont disappear. Ive made several RL friends, and honestly, its only the people that have keep me playing as long as I have.
You'll be fine, heathen. 8)
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You guys are awesome.
No one need do anything they dont wanna do on my account. Im not sure what ill do, but when I figure it out,I will let you all know. And no, I wont disappear. Ive made several RL friends, and honestly, its only the people that have keep me playing as long as I have.
That's not especially something I don't want to do. I am just looking at good incentives to get back ingame, which is basically RP possibilities, mostly. It was quite lacking when I left.
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Oh.
Then come back? I thinks?
And meh. Thats part of the problem. Lots of peopleto call Ava heathen, very few to be called heathen with =(
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You guys are awesome.
No one need do anything they dont wanna do on my account. Im not sure what ill do, but when I figure it out,I will let you all know. And no, I wont disappear. Ive made several RL friends, and honestly, its only the people that have keep me playing as long as I have.
That's not especially something I don't want to do. I am just looking at good incentives to get back ingame, which is basically RP possibilities, mostly. It was quite lacking when I left.
Have you considered a life of piracy and wanton tear creation? *wink*
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Oh.
Then come back? I thinks?
And meh. Thats part of the problem. Lots of peopleto call Ava heathen, very few to be called heathen with =(
Lets switch characters. Let me play Ava for a while, then you can play Merd? ;)
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Consider joining Re-Aw. AFAIK, they are pro-republic, corp-is-IC, relaxed and don't make to much noise. May want to see what they do and consider the options for a more... low-key and chillaxed existence.
Other than that, the more universal one that has been offered, just for repetition; figure out what you wanna do in EVE, then go do it and paster your RP on that. Instead of, the other way around. And if nothing interests you anymore, well. I'd be sad to see you go, but there is no point in playing/paying for non-entertainment.
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I'd be sad to see Ava go. So would Arnulf himself for that matter. He has a little bit of a crush on her but has never felt it appropriate to express it.
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I'd be sad to see Ava go. So would Arnulf himself for that matter. He has a little bit of a crush on her but has never felt it appropriate to express it.
Maybe he should have.
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I'd be sad to see Ava go. So would Arnulf himself for that matter. He has a little bit of a crush on her but has never felt it appropriate to express it.
I don't know if it's too late to try, but it wouldn't hurt?
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LOVE IS IN THE AIR
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All stories have an ending.
It is not a bad thing.
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Both the Minmatar and Amarr have struck me as intensely hard to roleplay, which originally I though was merely my personal distaste for portraying (though not seeing portrayed) characters from those backgrounds. However, it seems that time and time again the pressure of fighting against the broad strokes of stereotype and 'bad fic' related to the two is the main contributing factor. It is similar to a discussion with an in game friend regarding perceived 'State roleplayer unity versus Federation fractiousness', the fiction suggests that despite internal pressure the State is collectivist, and thus people who like the idea of collectivism gather under the banner to rp. This is not to say it is universally true, but it was an interesting point of conversation. Essentially, people enter racial/national rp pre-configured by what they have read, for better or ill.
Now I am DEFINITELY not saying 'go State' - god knows that just turning around and throwing a template over your years of hardwork would be patronising at best, outright insulting at worst. What I am saying is that all of us should look at the divisions within our racial/national roleplay basis and try to see why so many are content to form tiny groups with minimal growth (SKADI being the exception with it;s desire for growth). RP in isolation feels safe, primarily. Listening to the IGS, this fine forum and even The Summit gives a false flag for the identification of legitimate, active roleplaying groups beyond 'we post words'.
There is a seething underbelly of closet roleplayers that Veikitamo has tapped into on our end, and I'd love to see SKADI potentially tap the same source, though they need handling with kid gloves as they grow into their own characters. The main question here is, do you as the player wish to engage in the effort? I can tell you now I do not, and that is why I am glad and proud to count myself as a member of a corp with Veik and Desi to tirelessly populate it. EvE is a trying game, burn out is often inevitable if temporary and the community is simultaneously the best and worst there is. You clearly have high standards and I would urge you to never let go of them, they have been forged by previous actions you have taken exception to and those lessons will serve you well in avoiding future drama-harvest occurring with your brand too close to the fallout to avoid attention despite being innocent.
I will close on the issue I found difficult when writing this post, I do not know you awfully well. We have a lot of area of residence, rough age, gender, political alignment info going around in OOC, but it is very difficult to advise a personal, enjoyable fictitious experience when the mind of the other person is unknowable due to 'lolinternet'. I do hope that I have helped in some way, and would welcome further discussion.
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The issue isnt the "lack of growth". The issue is the virtual nonexistence of Minmatar RP at the moment outside of Ushra'khan. I admit, I am puzzled by why corporations like WHG grow so nicely, but SKDI did not. However, I have also pulled SKDI out of FW for an indefinite length of time, due to simply hating everything about the current FW environment, which likely wont appeal to people who want an RP corp. Will SKDI stay out of FW? I dont know..?
When SKDI did grow, it was almost universaly alts. Im sorry, if my corp isnt enticing enough to join on a toon that will actually be used, id rather that person did not join. There exists a body of Caldari RPers that WHG was able to draw from.
There is NOT the same body of Minmatar characters. Any that do appear run off to join U'k or Defiant Legacy and that is that, so they can continue the godawful "DIE BURN KILL I HAS SUFFERED AT TEH HANDS OF TEH SLAVERS" cycle. There is a lot more depth to Minmatar than that, just as there is a lot more depth to the Caldari than being mindless collectivist drones.
Joining Lutinari and having it roll over and die almost immediately sucked. It sucked a lot. Gottii, Matariki, Mirabi, and a few others represented pretty much all that was left of the non-rawr Minmatar community. I am the only minmatar player in the Summit or active even here, an overwhelmingly large part of the time.
Thanks for the advice.
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Thanks for explaining your position more thoroughly, I can see there are a lot of factors I have not been able to account for due to little prior knowledge.
I, myself, am an avid advocate of 'tribal minmatar' roleplay, focused on their unique culture(s) instead of an Amarr-centric 'reactive counter culture' that the groups you mentioned seem to represent. It may be a limited insight, but Bruce Parry's Tribe series impressed upon me the effect of ushering tribal communities into the modern world, especially that it is possible for them to thrive in such an environment whilst retaining their cultural heritage. I would dearly love to see this vision, as I feel it marries nicely with yours, realised - but alas I would make for a terrible minmatar roleplayer. The 'modern savage and noble primitive' mentality is really a disservice to the minmatar, as a capable, innovative and competitive race - regardless of their technological and resource handicaps (which are being overcome if their recent, more solid looking ship designs indicate).
Short of herding fresh blood roleplayers into an isolation tank and bombarding them with BBC documentary series and lectures on ethnography and tribal culture in a post-colonial world, I really feel that the lack of education with regards to the social issues represented in the modern Minmatar Republic will always hamper, stymie, then polarise the way in which Matari rp expresses itself.
Sorry this has taken a bit of a downer, but I do see a massive uphill struggle to start an introspective minmatar roleplaying environment. I would be happy to have Ael 'discuss' ICly the Minmatar as she is a great lover of other cultures, even if in a transitory 'them and us' way - but she would merely be a tourist spinning her own opinions, and you need more than that. I am encouraged by your focus as mentioned in your post though, and would love an OOC chat over the weekend or sometime when you are free to bounce around how we see the Republic outside the skins of our chars.
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I'd like to talk sometime!. And yes, I am big on tribal (and intertribal) RP. The Amarr are the bad guy. Hating amarrians dosent make someone Minmatar. There's a lot more to it.
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The 'easiest' way to grow an RP corp if you don't have a big name you can advertise with, in my experience, is how Scagga built up Delictum back in the day. They'd trawl forums/channels for fit new players (correct character race / able to spell somewhat correctly / other) and then simply approach them with an IC invitation to join the corp.
A surprising ammount of people is willing to join up if you offer them a modicum of education (tipps on skill training, how to fit ships and make money, baby steps of pvp) and maybe a bunch of free t1 ships to get blown up in.
The only problem with that approach is that it takes a lot of time and effort to build up a first generation of responsible corp members who know how to perform those tasks and how to teach new blood.
It's much easier to recruit people who are not adamantly "rp'ers" to begin with because a.) there are way more of them, b.) they don't have a set-in-stone background story yet and c.) they'll learn about their corp's faction by you.
I hope this is at least somewhat helpfull. Good luck either way - it'd be a great loss to see you leave :s
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I have to say, I agree with Laerise on this.
Its much easier to take a non-RPer and turn them into an RPer than it is to take an established character and fit them to what you need, or pull them away from their established holes in the ground.
Sometimes? Those people wont be the most active RPers, but they will usually be active pilots at the very least.
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If the situation your character is in makes you the player feel like you're on the fast road to bittervet and unsubbing, personally I think finding a new vision is preferrable than feeling trapped due to the weight of in-game history. Looking back, all the times I went on extended Eve breaks was that I would get exhausted trying to show the depth in the Fed beyond the stereotypes but I would give up when it felt that all that was available from others was just, "Freedom and Liberty, We're the Good Guys" to the point it just felt useless putting in the effort anymore.
I'm not sure if the situation is the same with you Ava, but do you still believe in what the Minmatar have to offer and more importantly are there aspects or niches within it that you do find enjoyable and provide the depth you want and drive you to explore it? Because I think if you're not passionate to some extent in what you want out of your RP you'll always find the lack of motivation to do anything about it.
Just try and find something that makes you go, "Damn, this is should be interesting," Then go full speed ahead and damn the torpedoes. :)
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Oh, if you don't mind there is one more thing to add.
From what I can tell there seems to be a cycle of growth/shrinkage in the RP community. In my experience these intervals are about half a year to a year long and they can be evaluated pretty easily by checking the IGS thread headers (for lack of a better source than "my gut feeling").
There are times when "the RP crowd" flocks to a certain new fad and all of a sudden you seem to be spending more time in recruitement interviews or noobie-pvp-training drills than anything else. This usually abates after the newness of the fad wears off.
The cycles seem to migrate specifically from empire-loyal to pirate and then back to, in many cases another empire, empire-loyal.
The reason why I'm posting this is that I've lived through quite a lot of these cycles by now having been in a single corp for almost.. what, six years now? It can be, nay, it is super frustrating to see the big crowd move on, especially when you have sunk so much effort into their training :lol: but the important thing is to realise that there'll be another upcycle again and to enjoy the calm down-cycles by doing solo-pvp (ava and my way of dealing with it iirc), diplomacy and forum pvp (hi rodj :D ) or writing awesome RP articles and stories. :yar:
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If the situation your character is in makes you the player feel like you're on the fast road to bittervet and unsubbing, personally I think finding a new vision is preferrable than feeling trapped due to the weight of in-game history. Looking back, all the times I went on extended Eve breaks was that I would get exhausted trying to show the depth in the Fed beyond the stereotypes but I would give up when it felt that all that was available from others was just, "Freedom and Liberty, We're the Good Guys" to the point it just felt useless putting in the effort anymore.
I'm not sure if the situation is the same with you Ava, but do you still believe in what the Minmatar have to offer and more importantly are there aspects or niches within it that you do find enjoyable and provide the depth you want and drive you to explore it? Because I think if you're not passionate to some extent in what you want out of your RP you'll always find the lack of motivation to do anything about it.
Just try and find something that makes you go, "Damn, this is should be interesting," Then go full speed ahead and damn the torpedoes. :)
Damn good points there. I can't stress how important the "damn the torpedoes" part is. It's very easy to get frustrated and hung up with it all.
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The urge to actually play Eve died for me long ago. Probably due to a lack of proper veteran content. I still keep up for the storyline... the few paragraphs of which dribble out every year, anyway.
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Oh.
Then come back? I thinks?
And meh. Thats part of the problem. Lots of peopleto call Ava heathen, very few to be called heathen with =(
Are apostate buddies okay ?
You guys are awesome.
No one need do anything they dont wanna do on my account. Im not sure what ill do, but when I figure it out,I will let you all know. And no, I wont disappear. Ive made several RL friends, and honestly, its only the people that have keep me playing as long as I have.
That's not especially something I don't want to do. I am just looking at good incentives to get back ingame, which is basically RP possibilities, mostly. It was quite lacking when I left.
Have you considered a life of piracy and wanton tear creation? *wink*
Even if I wanted it to be that way ICly, I couldnt do it OOCly. :P
Anyway, no, but thanks. /runs looking for Aldrith >.>
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The biggest issue I have, i think, is that there are simply other, higher profile Minmatar "RP" groups (Tongue in cheek there) who have much more visibilty. People read the intro screen, think "The Minmatar must be the good guys!" roll up a Minmatar too, and if they have any RP inklings, find their way to groups like U'K or Defiant Legacy, who are just too "grrr kill die burn revenge!" for me. EM get the ones who have a more pve/industry leaning, which is good, EM is a great group, but EM has NO rp presence outside of their own community. Like, literaly, none. Once in a blue moon someone pops into the Summit and talks for a minute, and then, poof, no sight of them for a few more weeks. So, ICly, while I love the Minmatar for a lot of reasons, and want to try and develop what we have more, I simply have no one to do so with. People think the Amarr are "underrepresented?" Take a peek at how many Minmatar (Who arent angels, pirates, Amarr pets, etc) pop into the Summit, or even on here. Not very damn many, is it?
I can try and get newer people, though I just dont want to take people by the hand and lead them around. A HUGE problem in TRA was the lack of people to run fleets. Everyone wanted to PvP, very few wanted to roam solo or put up a fleet, so they would get bored and leave simply because I couldnt run fleets often enough to discourage boredom. I literally pleaded with members to put up fleets, and one did, when he had the time. The remianing 20+ people? Not once. Honestly, I have no idea how to get people over the hump; how can I get people to take a bit of initiative, and hit the undock button without someone telling them to on TS, or better yet, to accept the responsibility of being that person once in a while? Being solo isnt hard. Running fleets isnt hard. I just dont get this. So here, mechanically, EVE frustrates me too. I cannot run ops every day, I simply cant. I cannot teach new players PvP from day 1. I simply do not have the time. If i dont, however, an amazing amount of them just sit around, eventually think "this corp sucks, we never do anything" (Because i cant hold their hand 24/7) and quit. I have absolutely no idea what to do about this, and doing it alone is even more overwhelming.
Im willing to try, but I have no idea what to try. Do i keep my SP minimum requirement? Do i drop it? Do I go spam corp invites in a starter system? And how do i prevent the above from happening again, and again?
Ava
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In my experience, this is a problem for many corporations. Talented or even willing FCs are somewhat rare. Finding roleplayers who PvP or PvPers who roleplay and are the least bit focused is also fairly rare.
I suspect it's because, as a group, we have tendencies to lean more towards playing stalwart soldiers, brilliant strategists, and visionary leaders and so less of a tendency towards being them, or at least, working at being passable imitations of them.
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The corp problem you're describing is somewhat common, in my experience. A lot of people seem perfectly content to sit around and just wait for someone to pull them along into something. This holds true for both mechanical aspects of EVE and role play aspects. I wish I knew something to tell you that would help you get people over that line from waiting for things to doing things themselves, but I've not found it myself yet.
Also, for what it is worth, I would happily jump into more in depth Matari RP, if I were Matari.
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Ura, thanks, it helps. And its good to know that problem isnt unique to me!
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It's certaintly not. We have a no-alt rule, broken only very rarely, for just the reason you described. We don't want people who are playing fad characters, you know?
So yeah, recruitment is slower than it could be, but we keep the people we have. :)
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Okay, first time logging in for a long time once I spotted this post. First, a few answers to direct questions:
* No, do not lower/remove SP requirement. If you think you've had low-initiative / low dependability pilots so far, you have no idea. Keep it.
* Don't spam corp invites anywhere. Write down a list of all RPers you know of, then target those you want directly. When you have a list of people who might be interested, create something with a core of good players and roleplayers alike. Then you can start adding the numbers around it.
* Newer people can be a great resource, since you can basically mold them to fit where you need them, but you need a core to shape them around.
Anyway, sorry to hear you're struggling, but it's pretty much what I've been expecting to see. The Matari RP scene was just... wrong... already back when I started losing faith in it and then had real life get between me and Eve in any case. You could divide it into the insular echochambers that were completely separate from everything else in Eve and RP, the rawrmatar that just never got anywhere near the critical mass needed to sustain themselves (see various attempts from the old Du'uma Fiisi (sp? it's ages ago) and such, through newer versions) and the moderates that sacrifice a lot in terms of Matari identity in favor of all-rounder appeal. One may be self-sustaining but barely even part of Eve at this point, others are impossible to sustain and so on. Even if real life hadn't gotten suddenly in the way, I don't think I'd last anyway and part of that is the Matari RP situation.
However, Lutinari having trouble is new to me and somewhat distressing. Anyone have the details?
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However, Lutinari having trouble is new to me and somewhat distressing. Anyone have the details?
I'd love to know this too.
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I can try and get newer people, though I just dont want to take people by the hand and lead them around. A HUGE problem in TRA was the lack of people to run fleets. Everyone wanted to PvP, very few wanted to roam solo or put up a fleet, so they would get bored and leave simply because I couldnt run fleets often enough to discourage boredom. I literally pleaded with members to put up fleets, and one did, when he had the time. The remianing 20+ people? Not once. Honestly, I have no idea how to get people over the hump; how can I get people to take a bit of initiative, and hit the undock button without someone telling them to on TS, or better yet, to accept the responsibility of being that person once in a while? Being solo isnt hard. Running fleets isnt hard. I just dont get this. So here, mechanically, EVE frustrates me too. I cannot run ops every day, I simply cant. I cannot teach new players PvP from day 1. I simply do not have the time. If i dont, however, an amazing amount of them just sit around, eventually think "this corp sucks, we never do anything" (Because i cant hold their hand 24/7) and quit. I have absolutely no idea what to do about this, and doing it alone is even more overwhelming.
I have experienced pretty much this exact issue with ANSH extensively. I've yet to find a good way over it, bar hiring more folks and hoping that one of the people I grab is up for fleet command so I can stop running corporate fleets into the jaws of hell for a little while. I think part of the trick is trying to make sure you get one, pre-planned roam out a week or thereabouts. Even if you take out 5 frigates and die in a fire it shows you're active, and has the neat little side effect of getting people into things if you find a decent fight. I am a terrible FC, and absolutely hate running roams when it's quiet, as I end up obsessing over whether I'm boring people out of the corp, but I do it anyway, and it seems to keep things sort-of rolling.
As for discouraging boredom- Move to a busy system. This worked wonders during Fear and Loathing in Intaki (http://anshar.arcadianewsnetwork.net/killboard/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=3), and even when people were docked up, there was the potential for things to flare up in the constellation. Heck, we even had some local RP going at one point. Part of it may have been luck with online times, but we'll be trying something similar again soon, and already people have started jumping into action.
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Not to hijack the thread further, but RE: LUTI, the Lutinari directors all left.
I was the first to go, for RP reasons somewhat, but mostly for real life being a bitch and not having the time to really be a director or undock or really be much of a use to anyone. I just felt it was best for everyone if I stepped down.
Altaen left next. He wanted to focus mostly on PVP, and EM's ROE kinda gets in the way of pew quite a bit, so he formed a purely combat corp with some of the elite pirates that we used to shoot regularly. To my knowledge hes pretty happy with it, and good on him. Great pilot, amazing FC, easily the best Ive flown with or under, and a great guy and human being.
Mata apparently stepped down as CEO at that point, and I think quit EVE. (?) Havent seen her around much at all. Hope shes still around. Would be a blow to the community to lose her.
So, thats what happened to LUTI.
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That's a real shame. Altaen is probably the coolest FC in the game, combining skill with a fantastic leadership style and personality. Hope he's doing well wherever he is. My best PvP experiences in Eve were under him and I'll remember some amazing close calls where we came on top purely because of him. He's one of those guys who deserve it. A pity about the rest, too. Luti had potential, even if it shared in some of the almost universal problems on the Matari RP side of things.
As for quitting Eve, individuals won't have that much impact when they quit. We've seen that far too many times already.
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I've only just seen this. Thread-detour continues here.
I had a chat with Altaen a few days ago while I was setting a skill for Mata. His new corp, Calamitous Intent, seems to be doing well, with the focus and freedoms that he'd been hanging out for as a serious competitive gamer. He deserves a bigger stage.
I needed to step away from EVE. I've been gaming elsewhere with Ulf, which has been a nice thing to do for a change. I'm learning a lot about roleplay in fantasy MMORPGs which don't have PvP baked in, and about PvE that's actually kinda enjoyable. I'm even coming to appreciate some of the features of EVE that had seemed just normal to me because it was my first MMO.
I still do a little EVE play-by-email, and browse here very occasionally, but I don't currently have any EVE plans. I'm happy to chat about EVE lore where I have something to add, but I'm pretty impatient with conflict just now. It's spring here. There's more to life than arguing over computer games. :)
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I don't play EVE anymore, as you well know, but I do still check in here from time to time.
My advice Ava, is pursue what you enjoy doing and let the RP unfold from there. There's comes a point where you have to draw a line and realize that this is a game and it's about having fun. If what you're involved in isn't fun for you, then you have the power to force a change - that's your prerogative as the player.
For example, you enjoy PvP but don't much care for faction warfare? Then move to piracy. Is that out of character for Ava? Perhaps as she is now. What happens if a private conversation with a fellow soldier (a conversation that nobody will ever hear or see) convinces Ava that fighting in the war will never result in a positive change and, in fact, that the "soldiers" in the war are worse than the pirates preying on them - so she has a dramatic shift of perspective and decides to focus on something else?
Maybe she's tired of combat altogether and wants to lay low for a while (if you wanted to do something more laid back)? There's a ton of ways to get a character where you want them without breaking disbelief of the character.
Bottom line: It's a game. You're the player. You make the rules, the character follows not the other way around.
As a side note, you can always contact me on Skype or Steam if you need to talk, you know that. :)
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I don't play EVE anymore, as you well know, but I do still check in here from time to time.
My advice Ava, is pursue what you enjoy doing and let the RP unfold from there. There's comes a point where you have to draw a line and realize that this is a game and it's about having fun. If what you're involved in isn't fun for you, then you have the power to force a change - that's your prerogative as the player.
For example, you enjoy PvP but don't much care for faction warfare? Then move to piracy. Is that out of character for Ava? Perhaps as she is now. What happens if a private conversation with a fellow soldier (a conversation that nobody will ever hear or see) convinces Ava that fighting in the war will never result in a positive change and, in fact, that the "soldiers" in the war are worse than the pirates preying on them - so she has a dramatic shift of perspective and decides to focus on something else?
Maybe she's tired of combat altogether and wants to lay low for a while (if you wanted to do something more laid back)? There's a ton of ways to get a character where you want them without breaking disbelief of the character.
Bottom line: It's a game. You're the player. You make the rules, the character follows not the other way around.
As a side note, you can always contact me on Skype or Steam if you need to talk, you know that. :)
I do, and it was good to hear from you! Good points all. Thank you.
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Bottom line: It's a game. You're the player. You make the rules, the character follows not the other way around.
Pretty much this right here. It's what I did; I got sick of Aldrith being a nice guy so I made him stop being a nice guy.
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Sometimes I catch my mind that it's Im who following my character's ideas instead of she's doing what I want :roll:
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Bottom line: It's a game. You're the player. You make the rules, the character follows not the other way around.
Pretty much this right here. It's what I did; I got sick of Aldrith being a nice guy so I made him stop being a nice guy.
Bullshit. Hes still adorable.
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Watch out everybody. I'm cute and pissed about it! :evil: grrr
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Well I tried to get back ingame and it's... worse than anything I could have imagined. Almost nobody still left ingame except a few figures I know, almost all the channels I had are dead now besides OOC and the Summit. To be honest everything has never felt more alien and dead to me in that game. Feels like another game.
Am I doing something wrong or did I miss where all the fun is ? :ugh:
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Well, for me it's mostly in space at the moment. I'm actually FC'ing now and leading fleets to glorious victory. The RP I've been doing centers more around this now.
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What Aldrith says. Stasis kills people's enjoyment of EVE. Go go new order!
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Well I tried to get back ingame and it's... worse than anything I could have imagined. Almost nobody still left ingame except a few figures I know, almost all the channels I had are dead now besides OOC and the Summit. To be honest everything has never felt more alien and dead to me in that game. Feels like another game.
Am I doing something wrong or did I miss where all the fun is ? :ugh:
This.
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Well I tried to get back ingame and it's... worse than anything I could have imagined. Almost nobody still left ingame except a few figures I know, almost all the channels I had are dead now besides OOC and the Summit. To be honest everything has never felt more alien and dead to me in that game. Feels like another game.
Am I doing something wrong or did I miss where all the fun is ? :ugh:
This.
More or less.
Public RP is dead. Till it gets better, stick to private RP venues/arcs.
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I've actually been getting back in to a bit of public RP - or at least RP in public venues. Someone does usually have to actually say, 'Hey, why don't we go have a drink at *RP place*', but enough of that and I expect we can get back to where we have people hanging around waiting for chances to interact again. :D
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...stuff...
Public RP is dead. Till it gets better, stick to private RP venues/arcs.
Agreed, but I kinda like it this way. I have press releases for public rp. This is just MY personal preference however and I recognize that for many, public rp is a big deal (as it should be if it is your enjoyment).
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More or less.
Public RP is dead. Till it gets better, stick to private RP venues/arcs.
We can choose how we want to play the game, I'm not one for public RP myself but I won't be pronouncing it "dead" as I'm sure there are a plethora of individuals who still get involved. Ultimately as long as it's within the EULA/Rules you can RP where you want to, how you want; albeit much to my malign at how some individuals choose to do so.
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YMMV; from my perspective, BarP does seem to be on the decline, but the Summit and other public channels are pretty much business as usual.. and there are live events again, and I've seen more stuff happening in-space in the last two months than in the three years before.
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To be honest, the best RP I've had in the last year or so has been with random people in local after/before a fight happens.
You RP smack them a bit, they respond in kind to everyones surprise - and suddenly you have a semi-intelligent discussion on all kinds of topics.
This spontaneous stuff is, to me, way more fulfilling than getting the by now standardised and boring "I am a sexually abused slave child, boohoo, DEATH TO AMARR!" the more 'serious' roleplayers offer me.
Although at least on the amarr front, there seems to be a slow diversification away from stereotypes again - and in a good and believeable way, not the, also standardised, "abolish slavery now, its evil! yay, lets hang out with heretics in a bar" stuff.
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To be honest, the best RP I've had in the last year or so has been with random people in local after/before a fight happens.
You RP smack them a bit, they respond in kind to everyones surprise - and suddenly you have a semi-intelligent discussion on all kinds of topics.
This spontaneous stuff is, to me, way more fulfilling than getting the by now standardised and boring "I am a sexually abused slave child, boohoo, DEATH TO AMARR!" the more 'serious' roleplayers offer me.
Although at least on the amarr front, there seems to be a slow diversification away from stereotypes again - and in a good and believeable way, not the, also standardised, "abolish slavery now, its evil! yay, lets hang out with heretics in a bar" stuff.
So much this. Not had this experience quite as frequently, but I have had the odd GalMil pilot deign to engage in a bit of good rp-wise slanging.
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I was not especially asking for public RP. I prefer private RP too, but I don't mind the former as well since it has its own benefits/flaws.
It is just that even for private RP it seems dead, or well, well, well hidden. To a point where I start to wonder what could be worse for RP groups to keep their very RP existence hidden like that.
I have asked what groups and entities were still active, where I could find channels or ways to interact, and I got ignored, like if my question was somehow embarassing.
NB : I am not much in mass RP like live events, and anyway you have to be online and active at the exact time they happen, which is not so easy, and they do not happen everyday too.
I am not much into random local RP too, it is rarely worth the effort in my experience.
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Sorry I wasnt around Lyn. I have had internet failures (as in, disconnects every 5-10 minutes) all weekend long. Repair people came again yesterday, and the little bit I was on this morning seemed ok... time will tell.
Ill try to be on tonight (internets willing) after work.
Ava
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Next time you should join the Amarrian cultural summit: it's just like the Summit, but all Amarrian! It actually has a decent-sized list of participants.
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Sorry I wasnt around Lyn. I have had internet failures (as in, disconnects every 5-10 minutes) all weekend long. Repair people came again yesterday, and the little bit I was on this morning seemed ok... time will tell.
Ill try to be on tonight (internets willing) after work.
Ava
Don't worry. :)
Next time you should join the Amarrian cultural summit: it's just like the Summit, but all Amarrian! It actually has a decent-sized list of participants.
But i'm not playing an amarrian...
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I have asked what groups and entities were still active, where I could find channels or ways to interact, and I got ignored, like if my question was somehow embarassing.
I am not much into random local RP too, it is rarely worth the effort in my experience.
Well "Gallente Lounge" still has the doors open but very few takers these days, your welcome there.... But its Gallente... and a lounge... So if a guy in a leisure suit chats you up, you cant say you wearnt warned :lol:
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Hrr.
Many familiar thoughts here.
Reminds me of when one was putting all one's energy into creating the Ammatar ideal.
Pm sent.