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EVE-Online RP Discussion and Resources => EVE OOC Summit => Topic started by: Silas Vitalia on 28 Nov 2011, 21:12
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Broad Topic:
I don't recall any other EVE expansions without the main 'story' advancing a few minutes on the grand clock in the sky around launch. Is Crucible the first expansion to sort of completely avoid any new PF introductions? And pardon if something new and interesting is going on as I type this. Even on completely unrelated expansions we got things like Kador invading Gallente Space, etc. I've been logging in the last few days and haven't noticed anything in the news fees... Additionally, no new trailer? I mean how bad is it at CCP HQ right now? For 5k USD they could loan out their in-game editing engine and a couple of college kids could produce something extremely interesting. (Which reminds me, we REALLY need a 'Gary's Mod' for the eve engine)
I don't follow too much of the 'behind the scenes' politics but they must be on -full steam- damage control with this pvp-centric 'expansion' to stop hemmoraging subscription losses?
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CCP guys commented on the new trailer coming out soon, probably at expansion launch.
Quantum Rise and some other 'technical' expansions didn't have major plot advancements, so Crucible isn't a first if such is true.
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I think they're still letting pilots ride high on Incursions. Although I'd be excited to see the incursions change a little in the future, maybe Sansha taking a few systems here and there.
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CCP guys commented on the new trailer coming out soon, probably at expansion launch.
Quantum Rise and some other 'technical' expansions didn't have major plot advancements, so Crucible isn't a first if such is true.
Cutting it down to the wire for that aren't they? Trailers usually released before the product and all ;)
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I think it's best we treat post-monocle CCP as the dam with a hairline fissure in it; just don't question, talk about, or look at it, and maybe it'll just keep working.
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You might be right, however I don't remember the story around Castor too clearly as I was still a nub. There was the rouge jovian Admiral and Crielere project events. They liked to have semi-plausible IC explanations for mechanics changes at least up to Exodus but TEA , Incursion, and Apocrypha are the only ones I can think of with a 'grand plot' change.
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Dropbear tweeted about this
CCP_Dropbear Nick Blood
Re: backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topi… We've got some storyline goodies cooking. More focus on world building and less focus on planets exploding, etc. ;p
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All hail the Bear of Drops. :cube:
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Right on. I know there are CCP lurkers on here occasionally, and I do want to clarify that we the public do not hear or know 99% of the internal drama-llama that goes on behind closed doors. One can only imagine the last year at that office. Just wanted to say that I would probably draw a big distinction between who I'd consider the nerdier fiction oriented CCPers with the ... keeping the company in business aspect of the corporation :)
IE amongst all our whining we do lose track that the 'company' decisions are obviously not the desires of everyone at the organization. I have to imagine there are still a few people at that office who would love to just crank out good sci-fi prime fiction, world-building, and immersion, and not worry about monacles and such.
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I think it's best we treat post-monocle CCP as the dam with a hairline fissure in it; just don't question, talk about, or look at it, and maybe it'll just keep working.
El Oh El ;)
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My opinion is that PF resources are being focused on DUST for the time being. That'll be where to look to for major EVE Universe storyline developments for the next while.
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Quantum Rise still stands as the most lacking expansion ever and had no story related content whatsoever. I do not think Dominion had any either.
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Most expansions have been lacking in the PF department.
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Didn't Quantum Rise have one of the heirs lead his own personal invasion of the Federation?
But yeah that expansion I think added the Orca and that's about all I can remember about it
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I don't mind if there is no large plot advancement in this particular expansion, CCP focused on a lot of improvements wanted by players, that is by far the best achievement this time.
However, I would love to hear about plot advancement after new year's, with the continued interest of empires battling the Sleeper threat, or the Sansha incursions.
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New plot advancement would be cool, CCP mentioned that there fleet roam was some kind of "test" for something later this year as i remember.
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I don't particularly like it when they release a flurry of news stories on patch day and then ignore the PF until the next expansion.
But it's still better than ignoring the PF during a patch and then ignoring it again afterwards.
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The empires are battling the Sleeper threat? where? >_>
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Re: Topic of progressing the storyline in a big jerk for every expansion then dropping it dead
While I agree it can be unsavory, there are two things that I see being big factors. 'Main' story progression happens as needed by the development team to explain the new shinies they're developing. FacWar as a lowsec boost? Empires go to war \o/, etcetra. Living world style progression, the kind we would prefer, I think doesn't receive any great attention because there is little resource allocation to it. That may change, as the idea is still under the shadow of Aurora I think.
The bigger of the two factors is that living world style progression wouldn't reach all the players in the game. If I hadn't participated in roleplay, and kept to the Nullsec lifestyle instead of leaving it, the entire story arc behind Incursions would've been a mystery. It wouldn't have registered on any of my radar, and frankly I would have seen the sudden return of the Sansha as being a big 'story jerk' anyway.
When you think of plot advancement, you have to decide who you are advancing the plot for. To the Nullsec players, the plot may not appear to advance at all because all the progression happens outside their play area. Consequentially what little value they may have for the storyline is degraded even further, since they are never involved in it, etcetra. The flipside happens for Empire dwellers if the story progresses in Nullsec.
The idea of a whole war in a single down time (Empyrean Age Expansion) can be distasteful, but it is the most suitable way of delivering the story to every player in the game.
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Maybe I have been blinded, but with the introduction of Site One, canonization of CPF Blue and the Fiction Portal on the horizon I think Crucible is making a major step for EVE Prime Fiction. That item descriptions now have links to evelopedia is a great step for a more coherent story setting. We also still do not know what that Forlorn Hope vitoxin research site is about; maybe its delay is forcing the delay of the Crucible trailer?
Oh, and that CCP Dropbear has been reallocated to Iceland might be a let down for him, but will do wonders for the Storyline team (I hope).
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I haven't seen anyone mention this buy Myyona, but Site One will be introduced as an actual location in Eram. Thats pretty good for the story right?
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The whole "Expansions come with a major storyline attachment" is a fairly new thing, actually. Many of the "classic" EVE expansions (RMR, Rev I/II, Trinity) had little if any newsworthy notes encapsulated in them. Incarna didn't have anything either.
Mind you, the "classic" expansions also had the benefit of having news stories constantly being thrown out around them, so having an expansion wasn't seen as an expected point for plot advancement because plot was happening all the time anyhow.
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Dominion was the first for me with no storyline development, if one counts the Kador invasion of Solitude as the storyline development for QR.
Also, I posted this in OOC yesterday but either 1) nobody cared or 2) nobody was paying attention to the channel. But OMG SO EXCITING :D
http://twitter.com/#!/cloisterphobe
cloisterphobe Hjalti Daníelsson
@EVE_Rhavas Maybe not today w/all that's going on, but aiming for the 1st chron releasing tomorrow #tweetfleet #eveonline
4 hours ago
AND...
Fiction wiki polish done. Launch planned a few days after Crucible, together with the new EVElopedia design.
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Maybe if CCP loved delivering fluff via news stories as much as some of us do, they could lead up to expansions with bits of PF.
Then they could have their cake and eat it too, and just release the actual "war" or whatever on patch day.
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Related:
Just checked on Amazon and Templar One is coming out on the 6th December. I'm guessing we'll have a whole lot of new PF to absorb after.....
I'm trying extremely hard to resist speculation on what we can expect from the Tony G plot ... must.... resist....
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Hey, it's been a while. Maybe he read some chrons?
Have a little hope, eh? The crushing of it is the source of our bittervet powars.
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Hey, it's been a while. Maybe he read some chrons?
Have a little hope, eh? The crushing of it is the source of our bittervet powars.
The Cardinal is correct! I shall sequester myself and pray to Zombie Jamyl for guidance. Via Telepathy.
Couldn't resist.
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Expect nothing; be genuinely surprised when something does come :)
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Eram is was there
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I might have a pre-release copy of Templar One...
And it might be disappointing in terms of PF (at least so far).
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A lot of the very old expansions didn't have much story attached to them. I would agree that personally I prefer a little progression at a time to the 'Empyrean Age' model of a giant jump during the DT.
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I loved their progressive breaking news when servers were down. I am sad they do not do it anymore, it was awesome to see more breaking news every 5 minutes.
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I loved their progressive breaking news when servers were down. I am sad they do not do it anymore, it was awesome to see more breaking news every 5 minutes.
This.
Regardless of some of the PF twists Empyrean Age was by far the best implemented 'launch' they had world-building fiction wise. I was on the edge of my seat refreshing the news feed every few minutes, it was info-dump heaven. Granted we didn't get to see much of what was going on but imagination still a powerful thing, especially with 'breaking news' constantly coming in.
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I loved Apocrypha even more. Dont know for you but without all the things we do not like with Empyrean Age I was like a child watching the news coming from Seylin, waiting for the obvious dreadful end to come.
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And here I thought I was the only one who had 9/11 flashbacks during the Seyllin event.
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Nope. Trinity didn't even get itself a Chronicle. This expansion got Chronicles pulled out of retirement (http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=01-12-11).