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General Discussion => The Speakeasy: OOG/Off-topic Discussion => Topic started by: Misan on 28 Oct 2011, 13:15
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Quick post:
Who's playing? I setup an Inspiracy platoon on the off-chance people wanted to coordinate and maybe get some decent 4 man squad play going. http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/platoon/2832655391336552535/ . Taking suggestions for tickers (max 4 characters) as it could do with something more clever.
(And yes, that emblem is totally random).
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Once I get the disk, I'll be on. :D
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I got two disks, and the bloody thing downloaded 11 or 12 GB from EA. As far as I could tell it didn't get any of the game off the disk except the Origin download tool. Didn't use the second disk at all
Single player (apparently I'm a weirdo for that being a lot of why I bought it) is a rail-car of a plot combined with cut scenes that pretend to give you interactivity the same way that Dragon's lair did - i.e. in the fight scenes, every 10 seconds it asks you to push a key or die. The key changes from scene to scene. That's the limit of your interactivity. Yawn.
Multi-player I'm slowly getting the hang of. The last few games I killed more people than I died to. Some of the spawn-into-the-line-of-fire aspects get old quickly.
Personally, I think I prefer Red Ochestra 2 combat, but there's no denying that there's a lot more people playing BF3 now.
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If you bought a military FPS and expected anything other than a linear experience from single player, I have to wonder if you've played a military FPS before. >>
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Just got it downloaded. On vacation at the moment on a shitty connection so not going to bother with multiplayer any time soon. For now, I'll just be doing the singleplayer campaign. Will see what the rest of the MP world looks like in a week or so.
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Not with origin.
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Not with origin.
I'd stand with ya there, if I wasn't too weak to resist the dual siren songs of BF3 (the previous installments having been among my top five FPS games ever made) and SW:TOR. Diablo 3 I'll be able to resist though. Blizzard's pissed me off too royally too many times to forgive anything but the Starcraft games.
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Any particular reason you won't play the game with Origin?
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My disinclination to use Origin stems from EA being assholes to Valve over Steam.
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I got two disks, and the bloody thing downloaded 11 or 12 GB from EA. As far as I could tell it didn't get any of the game off the disk except the Origin download tool. Didn't use the second disk at all
Odd, I had no issues installing from the disk.
The battlefield series has never been about the single-player. The fact they even included it this time was a bit of surprise. Been thoroughly enjoying the multiplayer (a bit too much perhaps) though and that's what matters.
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I only played SP to get some background to the MP. Only gave 50% of what I hoped for in that area (inner RPer I guess).
Multiplayer has to be the most cinematic experience I've ever had the pleasure with, tbh. To know that it's not scripted at all only adds to it. And the graphics...good God, run it on max everything and never slows down. The game is pretty amazing, but also immersive to the point of addiction, so I need to watch how much I play.
Best thing about it is how you can still score highly without actually doing that much killing.
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If you bought a military FPS and expected anything other than a linear experience from single player, I have to wonder if you've played a military FPS before. >>
Well, I played BF2 a fair bit without playing multiplayer more than once. I played STALKER for hundreds of hours. I played COD:MW without playing MP at all; I played BFBC2 without being able to get it to run MP at all (not entirely sure why, something to do with being unable to convince it that I was running Punkbuster.) BFBC2 at least allows you to run around different sides of the target building when trying to reach the destination. BF3? Not so much.
I played Red Orchestra: Ostfront in Single player a lot (but also multiplayer when I could find enough players on a server with a ping lower than 200).
I live on the arse ends of the internet. When I tried BF2 multiplayer it got old really quickly having ping times two or three times longer than the other players.
BF3 has NZ and Aussie servers. RO2 has aussie servers (and I've even had some success playing on US servers).
Back to BF3. I guess I miss being able to see, identify and shoot targets more than 100 meters away over iron sights. It's definitely really slick, but I just prefer RO2 at the moment.
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Aside from the Tehran Highway map the netcode for this game is surprisingly good. Trying to play BFBC2 on Euro didn't work too well despite the latency not being too bad. Now I can play on ~150 ping servers without any real issue.
Have you been trying to hit people that far out Ulph? I'm sure it is doable as looking at my stats I actually have my longest headshot right now at >100m and I haven't touched any of the sniper rifles yet. Doable but difficult since you have to account for bullet drop without a high level of zoom and ballistic scope. I haven't played RO2 so I have no idea how it compares on that front.
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Have you been trying to hit people that far out Ulph? I'm sure it is doable as looking at my stats I actually have my longest headshot right now at >100m and I haven't touched any of the sniper rifles yet. Doable but difficult since you have to account for bullet drop without a high level of zoom and ballistic scope. I haven't played RO2 so I have no idea how it compares on that front.
In RO2 I think I have a screenshot of successive one-shot kills at more than 150m with a Mosin Nagant bolt action rifle over iron sights, I think my first kill with a Kar98 was about 195m. Although you can zero the sights to different ranges, I've found picking 100m pretty good for most things. (The MP40 actually has a choice between 100m and 200m, although I've had difficulty hitting anything more than about 60 meters away) I've yet to get any good with the sniper rifles.
Back to BF3, I haven't yet figured out where the range stats on are (I only figured out how to change teams yesterday) but I'll have a look later today. My issue is more that it's very difficult to spot targets at that sort of range to shoot at them unless they're running around standing up, but the Hitbox detection (with the little X that tells you you got a hit) seems quite generous. There are shots I've taken that I'd be sure missed but would give me the X. No kills you understand, but an X for encouragement.
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Any particular reason you won't play the game with Origin?
I'm not particularily happy with installing spyware on my computer. If you're not aware of the 'features' of origin I'd encourage you to look it up. Personally I've decided not to support that with my wallet. So while I'm missing out on some interesting games there'll still be more games than I've time for to play. ;)
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I'm not particularily happy with installing spyware on my computer. If you're not aware of the 'features' of origin I'd encourage you to look it up. Personally I've decided not to support that with my wallet. So while I'm missing out on some interesting games there'll still be more games than I've time for to play. ;)
Realistically Origin doesn't seem to be anymore 'spyware' then Steam.
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I would argue that there is a world of difference. Steam had its problems with snooping around too much in the beginnings, too, but what origins seems to be able to - and what the eula you accept covers - is a bit more than reading out your system's specs. Check the web. It's not hard to find.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/112559-Internet-Explodes-Over-Origins-Invasion-of-Privacy
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The TOS/EULA was also updated in response to that outcry and doesn't contain that overly broad language anymore. I read it over before I downloaded it and didn't see anything hugely different than what the Steam EULA has on it, but I'm also not amazing at lawyer speak. vOv
After someone on FB posted a video of a guy running ProcMon on it in an earlier version I repeated the same test myself and didn't see the program accessing anything outside of its own program folder and some entries in the registry. If I'm bored enough later I may poke around it more but there wasn't anything eyebrow raising in those logs. I may not like EA all that much but I haven't seen anything with my own eyes that indicates they are using Origin as some sort of spyware.
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Im still wondering should i buy this game. :roll:
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Quick post:
Who's playing? I setup an Inspiracy platoon on the off-chance people wanted to coordinate and maybe get some decent 4 man squad play going. http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/platoon/2832655391336552535/ . Taking suggestions for tickers (max 4 characters) as it could do with something more clever.
(And yes, that emblem is totally random).
DL'ing the game atm, got it as a gift from a friend, and I've allready joined his gaming community platoon - is it possible to be part of more than one at a time, or is this like a clan or guild, more than just a group?
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They work basically like Steam groups, you can be a part of as many as you want. You do have to designate one as a 'primary' and that is the only one which it will track your stats in, but that isn't really much of a big deal.
Im still wondering should i buy this game. :roll:
I'm definitely enjoying it (probably a bit too much :oops:). On the whole its a solid shooter and if you liked BF2 at all it has all the good things about that game in it. Personally the biggest things for me are all the little things that add up to making it more enjoyable/more realistic than earlier BF games or the CoD series. Mostly the lack of lunge-knifing bullshit that CoD:BO seemed to devolve into, but I'm mostly bitter about not being able to be a total shotgun whore due to that. :roll:
I may put the :effort: into writing up something proper about multi at some point, but not yet. :P
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Damn, Hard mode is kicking my ass. Lot of fun though! :D
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Singleplayer review of BF3:
Well, it's not exactly the finest FPS I've ever played in that regard, but damn if it doesn't deliver. It's the same old formula that's been done to death by now. You jump into the heads of one main character with some detours into a few other people's heads throughout the game. You shoot shit with a fairly impressive variety of weapons and you deal with some fairly major threats throughout the game. It's not very good at giving you the trademark Battlefield HUEG maps with a lot of freedom. The maps are one route only and not too impressive in that regard. It's all been seen before. Still, that doesn't detract all that much from the singleplayer experience since... well, hell... how much more do we really want in an FPS? It's pretty much as it should be in that regard. The story is decent enough, even if we've seen it before. It's told in the same way we've seen it be told before. It's finished in the same way we've seen it before and... well, we've seen ALL of this before. I don't mind that much, myself, since I enjoyed it in the past and I'm not the kind of guy that stops eating bacon sandwiches just because I've had one in the past. They're still fucking yummy when I get hungry. You hungry for a military FPS? This'll fill ya. It also features some of the greatest 'blinding' effects I've seen in a game. If the hostiles shine a torch in your eyes, you'll know what I'm talking about.
What does piss me off royally though is that they've infested this game too with that utter shite that is Quicktime Events. I swear to God, I was in a quicktime event battle with a fucking RAT in this game! I... hate... quicktime... events. They've NEVER been a good idea and they never will be. I really don't get why the devs are so freakin' into Quicktime eve... oh wait... wait...
... yeah, console gamers. God damnit. How many games need to be ruined to appease them before the devs stop bringing the quicktime shite over into PC versions? Gnnnrgh. Even the sodding bossfight was a quicktime event.
So yeah, don't buy this for the singleplayer alone. Granted, if you DO buy a Battlefield game for the Singleplayer alone, you're a bit daft. These games have always been about the massively awesome multiplayer that makes CoD and so on look pretty shite in comparison. Once I get back home to a decent internet connection, I'll be doing BF3 Multiplayer for a while to see how that squares up against BF2's insanely addictive multiplayer that still hasn't been beaten by any other game out there. Well, until this, MAYBE. We'll just have to see once I get back home.
If you have a passing interest in awesome multiplayer and want a singleplayer game to dabble with on the side? This just might be for you.
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This thread is not doing me any favors. If I were to fail to resist in the near future, is it self explainatory as to how to join these groups?
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There is an apply to join button at the top right once you have a registered Battlelog account.
As far as MP goes Miz, admittedly my memories of BF2 are a bit sketchy as it has been a long time, but so far I feel like it has all the good stuff besides artillery strikes (do mortars count?) that BF2 had. Try playing the 64 player maps on Large Conquest to get the more BF2-esque feel, especially on Operation Firestorm, Damavand Peak, or Caspian Border. They have a few close quarters maps which are awesome as well, though I tend to prefer them on Rush rather than Conquest (Seine Crossing <3).
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I would argue that there is a world of difference. Steam had its problems with snooping around too much in the beginnings, too, but what origins seems to be able to - and what the eula you accept covers - is a bit more than reading out your system's specs. Check the web. It's not hard to find.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/112559-Internet-Explodes-Over-Origins-Invasion-of-Privacy
The EULA no longer contains that language. I can provide a copy of the current one if you're interested.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lGUOFjMuQA
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lGUOFjMuQA
As I said earlier, I went and ran the same tests on my machine as that guy did. Even re-ran them again just now while running Skype, IRC, uTorrent, multiple chat clients, TweetDeck, Firefox, and even Picasa. I couldn't find a single instance of Origin accessing a folder outside its own installed location and some basic Windows system files (plus the usual registry stuff). If Origin was doing that at some point it either no longer is, or is something unique to a regional version which I do not have (presumably they are the same). I saved my logs for later use, but it's easy enough to test this yourself if you already have Origin installed. Download ProcMon (http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896645) and filter it to only show Origin.exe events. After that just use Find to search for other stuff. I scanned through my log and didn't catch anything unusual.
It makes sense to be distrustful of EA especially after the initial snafu but its pretty easy to investigate both the EULA stuff and claims of Origin sniffing around where it shouldn't for yourselves. I've looked at both and don't see anything to be concerned about. They would have to be doing something much more sneaky (like rootkits :sony:) for the program I linked to not catch it.
I think Origin is hardly useful and pretty much a waste of HD space, especially since it doesn't share friends with Battlelog (stupid decision much?), but the rabble about it being spyware (because it ain't) really isn't the reason the software is distinctly underwhelming. I'd quote an alliance mate (for Bacch: Namamai) but the comment would be borderline moddable and not appropriate for an admin to post here. :P
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Started out as a sniper like I do in every game.
Slowly realizing I'm much better suited to the heavy support role.
Go figure.
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Operation Dickhead;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BADJhIXiS4g (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BADJhIXiS4g)
Further links will take you to operations Douchebag, Asshat and Crymore.
Enjoy :bear:
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So yeah, don't buy this for the singleplayer alone. Granted, if you DO buy a Battlefield game for the Singleplayer alone, you're a bit daft. These games have always been about the massively awesome multiplayer that makes CoD and so on look pretty shite in comparison. Once I get back home to a decent internet connection, I'll be doing BF3 Multiplayer for a while to see how that squares up against BF2's insanely addictive multiplayer that still hasn't been beaten by any other game out there. Well, until this, MAYBE. We'll just have to see once I get back home.
If you have a passing interest in awesome multiplayer and want a singleplayer game to dabble with on the side? This just might be for you.
I agree 100% with both of your points.
Battlefield games always have mediocre single player, and BF2 had amazing multiplayer that has surpassed all CoD games. I think you will be in for a treat with BF3 multiplayer, it's just like BF2 but with updated graphics.
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I loved the single player. I usually do, actually. MW2, BC2, MOH, Black Ops, BF3...
They're all great stories and engaging campaigns. I never hear legitimate criticisms to the contrary.
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I enjoyed all of those too, Senn, but Battlefield singleplayer has always seemed less impressive to me than CoD singleplayer.
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Oh I've always enjoyed the singleplayer in those games, just like I did enjoy this one too... but I don't think they're good enough to justify the price. Not by themselves. The Modern Warfare series in particular (along with the Black Ops side-step) is one with good singleplayer, decent storytelling, great spectacles and so on... but it's just not long enough nor does it have the replayability required for me to consider it worth the money by itself. Less than five hours of gameplay? What the shit? Sure, those four point something hours are good enough fun but come on. I can buy a huge stack of movies for the same price and get damn close to the same level of entertainment over a much longer period of time. Especially since the games are so enormously linear that replaying it is pretty much just like watching a movie again. You know exactly what'll happen and when. You don't even have the RPG element where you can change the gameplay through changing your playstyle/character.
I expect more than four point something hours of perfectly linear gameplay when I dish out fifty-sixty bucks and that is where Multiplayer comes in. The Battlefield series (and after having played BF3 multiplayer for a bit) rocks my world in that regard. That is where it rises so far above the CoD/MW series that it's practically in geostationary orbit over a gasping asthmatic snail.
EDIT: To add to the above: I can actually see spending sixty bucks on a four point something hour long singleplayer campaign without multiplayer attached if it actually blows my mind a little. BF3 and MW3 does not, because it doesn't innovate. Where Portal and Portal 2 are short and sweet little games, they still manage to cram in something innovative and new, changing either the gameplay or the story/plot enough to throw me a curveball. That just doesn't happen in MW3 or BF3's singleplayer. Until they do, Multiplayer is what needs to lift it up to make it worth the money.
Revised recommendation: If you want fantastic multiplayer with a decent enough singleplayer on the side? Buy BF3. If you want good (but very short) singleplayer with a meh enough multiplayer on the side? Buy MW3 once it's on Steam's Christmas sale.
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Must. Get. Git. It.
As soon as I get off this base im headed to the store to get the game AND a new graphics card. SOmething tells me imma gonna need it.
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The only reason I've boycotted MW3 is because of that fucking sweepstakes of theirs.
Bribing me to eat Doritos and drink Mountain Dew to get double xp. You'd like that, wouldn't you. An unhealthy nerd getting to top rank with no skill, unable to either physically or mentally act with enough alacrity to surpass anyone.
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The only reason I've boycotted MW3 is because of that fucking sweepstakes of theirs.
Bribing me to eat Doritos and drink Mountain Dew to get double xp. You'd like that, wouldn't you. An unhealthy nerd getting to top rank with no skill, unable to either physically or mentally act with enough alacrity to surpass anyone.
What? Sources?
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The only reason I've boycotted MW3 is because of that fucking sweepstakes of theirs.
Bribing me to eat Doritos and drink Mountain Dew to get double xp. You'd like that, wouldn't you. An unhealthy nerd getting to top rank with no skill, unable to either physically or mentally act with enough alacrity to surpass anyone.
What? Sources?
You didn't hear about this?
http://www.shacknews.com/article/70795/modern-warfare-3-double-xp-promotion-explained
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:bash:
Not surprised, but still feels facepalm worthy to me.
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It hurt me, deeply. I wanted to play MW3 and BF3 side by side, but... it was like discovering a horrible secret about your lover.
I didn't want to let it go, but I could never look at it the same way again. :c
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Weak. Another reason to the long list of reasons I'll never get that failure of an over-hyped game. I never even considered getting black ops, and seriously regret getting MW2. Deleted it a long time ago.
BF3 however, has everything I ever wanted from a FPS online shooter. It even has legions of retarded solo-players who couldn't co-operate to win a match even if their lives depended on it. Once I'm on a team who actually cooperates effectively and do what they have to, the win's tend to have a domino-effect.
And whatever I can complain about with the player-base, I've yet to see something with the game itself that is broken or over/under-powered.
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MW stands for MechWarrior and anyone who says different is worse than Stefan Amaris.
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MW stands for MechWarrior and anyone who says different is worse than Stefan Amaris.
I have no idea who that is, but get the feeling I should be happy for that.
MW2/3 stands for modern warfail 2/3. Anyone who says different is a non-person without any practical value.
Your move 8)
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Queen to FU.
Checkmate.
:P
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:D
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So, I kinda ran into a gaping problem with the multiplayer, and I'm kinda surprised it even exists in the first place...
Metro Rush, I get trapped in an antechamber between the sub line and one of the objectives and get killed by a camper just blasting away with an LMG towards the door. I'm 9 and 1, not bad, but then someone decides to use the defibs on me.
And I get killed again before I can even accept or reject the defib. And then he does it again. And again.
By the end of it all I'm 9 and 7. Why does MY score have to suffer just because PFC Fucknuts couldn't lay off the paddles?
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Last I checked unless you accepted it by hitting spacebar it didn't count against your score twice? If you actually die during the "pistol only" phase you shouldn't be able to be revived again. That's been my experience with it at least when playing as an Assault. I tend to lose a lot of revived people to grenades right after I hit them with the paddles and I can't repeat the process. But I guess it could be a bug. vOv
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Can confirm that if you die during the pistol only phase on Conquest, you can't be defibbed again.
Gods this multiplayer rocks. Makes MW3 look utterly derp in comparison.
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Well, I can confirm that it occurred, so... guess we chalk this one up to phenomenon.
Still, agreement on the frighteningly realistic, painfully epic multiplayer.
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I've been enjoying the Karkand maps so far. Although I really have to re-orient myself to a couple of them (Sharqi and Karkand especially). Lot of stupid deaths due to the sheer number of possible routes for enemies to come by. Felt pretty derpy about flying the F-35 VTOLs until I realized that down throttle was how you take off. :|
Oman feels...different so far. Maybe it's because the points are now setup at equal distances, instead of the last couple being right at the defenders base. I think it's a good change, but takes some getting used to.
Finally unlocked Air Radar on the attack choppers though, which makes me die a wee bit less to strafing by jets.