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General Discussion => The Speakeasy: OOG/Off-topic Discussion => Topic started by: Invelious on 17 Jun 2011, 09:39
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/story/2011/06/17/pei-lulzsec-personal-internet-accounts-584.html
So basically, at this point. These people need to be taken out. I get they are proving and exposing massive security holes in all of these sites and systems. The question I have is, why is it required to damage the personal lives of people in the process?
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http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=2397.msg33123#msg33123
p. much same applies here.
combination of: lack of empathy, blaming victims, boredom and basic dishonesty.
phrases like: "its not stealing. Paypal are just leaving this money lying around. if a bank threw cash into a dumpster, wouldn't you take it?" and so on.
Not so long ago, when parking my car, I happened to notice on the ground, a set of car keys, they had a Renault logo on them. I thought one of the neighbours had such a vehicle, and so waited to see if it turned up, then I could find out whose car it was, and if they'd lost a set of keys. Which it did, and they had.
These lulzsec people, amongst many, many others, would not do such. What they'd do, is test the key in various Renaults to see if it worked, joyride it around, probably write it off, and then say "well you shouldn't have dropped the key then".
That's the difference.
These sorts of attitudes, are infantile and erode any chance of humanity developing.
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Grr...
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Some time ago, there was an article - can't remember where, in some Finnish web site or paper - that was about the "culture of FAIL". That is, a combination of schadenfreude and anonymity taken to an extreme.
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I got an email from SEGA this morning, it said:
Over the last 24 hours we have identified that unauthorised entry was gained to our SEGA Pass database.
It went on to say:
Please note that no personal payment information was stored by SEGA as we use external payment providers, meaning your payment details were not at risk from this intrusion.
I wonder if LulzSec had anything to do with this? I hope Segata Sanshiro (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5V65dtKOk2Y) kicks their asses.
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Regarding schadenfreude, some people ARE idiots in these videos, and what happens is unsurprising.
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http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=2397.msg33123#msg33123
p. much same applies here.
combination of: lack of empathy, blaming victims, boredom and basic dishonesty.
phrases like: "its not stealing. Paypal are just leaving this money lying around. if a bank threw cash into a dumpster, wouldn't you take it?" and so on.
Not so long ago, when parking my car, I happened to notice on the ground, a set of car keys, they had a Renault logo on them. I thought one of the neighbours had such a vehicle, and so waited to see if it turned up, then I could find out whose car it was, and if they'd lost a set of keys. Which it did, and they had.
These lulzsec people, amongst many, many others, would not do such. What they'd do, is test the key in various Renaults to see if it worked, joyride it around, probably write it off, and then say "well you shouldn't have dropped the key then".
That's the difference.
These sorts of attitudes, are infantile and erode any chance of humanity developing.
Guess this is a good sign for me then. As a part of my work-day I need to take a ferry across the fjord twice a day to get to/from work. I've taken it so many times I know what sounds to listen for; how long I usually have between the original de-celeration til the turbines start reversing to slow the ship down and berting, and so on.
Random passengers, especially people driving cargo up and down the kingdom don't know this and usually leave their seats to go get ready and get into their vehicles long before they have to, strictly speaking. A few months ago some guy sitting by the table in front of my usual seat forgot his wallet, with his drivers-license, visa, personal info, family album and money. When I make ready to leave, I notice this and pick it up. I like the seat I usually sit in because while the passenger-cabin is under surveillance, there is only one camera and it's sitting above my seat.
In other words my seat and the table in front are in a dead-angle and I could have gotten away with said wallet and several thousand crowns with no problem at all.
Ofc I did no such thing. I flipped it open, had a quick look at the ID and tried my best to memorize the face on it. Then I ran outside and asked every driver of every car, making sure to compare faces. Found the guy in a frantic search for - I'm making a wild guess here... - his wallet. I hardly even had to ask because I could see it was the right guy. He got his rather vital piece of leather back I got to go on with my day wondering what I'd do if I had just tucked it in my pocket and walked off the ship.
I'd like to imagine that anyone would do this, even for utter, random strangers. Sadly, the world don't work like this, and neither does these juveniles. I'm still going to laught when they are all in jail, simply because they have provided ample evidence of deserving it.
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These guys gave me a major spook earlier today.
I opened up facebook and started trying to change my password, but it kept saying that my old "password was incorrectly typed". I began to get seriously worried; I double checked that I didn't have capslock on and typed it ultra-slowly to make sure I wasn't mispelling - still no luck. Having that icy-ball-in-gut, I finally dug out a hidden paper I have listing all my passwords.
I was putting in my EVE password. Boy, did I feel dumb.
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Even though I sympathize with some tenets of the greater info-anarchy movement, the behavior and radicalism of its supporters will not bode well for them. Lulzsec are beginning to tick off people that would have at first supported them, and some of those people are white hats.
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Yeah.
And its not even more radicalism, its utter stupidity. Those are not even doing it for some sort of ethics anymore, just for fun.
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"Hey, I just got an idea!"
"What s it?"
"Let's hack every website in the world! We could become famous!"
"Bt isn't it dangerous?"
"Nah, we're too uber for them. Let's do it!"
"Great idea!"
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At this point I'm kinda hoping they incur some serious charges. I don't think hacking an MMO site gets you much cred in a prison yard.
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Yeah, these guys are to information activism what Goons are to MMOs. Disruptive trolls who have no purpose beyond corralling all the dipshits under one name. While I highly support entities like Anonymous and others that actually have an agenda about the freedom of information, I will easily condemn stuff like this, which is just vandalism and theft.
These guys won't last. Unlike entities like Anon, these guys are pissing off all the wrong people...
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Unlike entities like Anon, these guys are pissing off all the wrong people...
Anon doesn't piss off wrong people? Lulz.
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Not enough, apparently.
Anon has the support of a lot of people, due to their targets and agenda.
These lulz guys are basically pissing off everyone.
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Unlike entities like Anon, these guys are pissing off all the wrong people...
Anon doesn't piss off wrong people? Lulz.
Well at least they don't go attacking US Senate, CIA and such. That said the Australian government might be still be butthurt about a little DDoS, but again Anon didn't steal the database or other sensitive information in that little prank and post it for people to abuse.
There's a difference in protesting with a foul prank and being a complete dick and fucking shit up for everybody else.
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They pissed off a hacktivist called Jester and now he is destroying them for it. Probably won't be long before a few get caught/arrested. Personal details for a handful of Lulzsec members are already released publicly (presumably courtesy of Jester).
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Having read various tidbits about LULZ around the web (there's not too many online communities that doesn't have a LULZ thread or two) I have noted with some amusement that there's almost always someone saying some variation of the following:
"Why did they bother with Eve? Is there a playerbase more jaded to this stuff?" followed by various comparisons to 'giving a spanking fetishist a pat on the rump' and other various metaphors. Others spoke of us as 'are these people you want to piss off?' and so on.
Apparently us Eve players have reputations for being the badasses of the MMO communities. Having seen it from within for a while, that's kind of hilarious, even if there's a kernel of truth to maturity being a bit more common-place here than in most other MMOs.
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Having read various tidbits about LULZ around the web (there's not too many online communities that doesn't have a LULZ thread or two) I have noted with some amusement that there's almost always someone saying some variation of the following:
"Why did they bother with Eve? Is there a playerbase more jaded to this stuff?" followed by various comparisons to 'giving a spanking fetishist a pat on the rump' and other various metaphors. Others spoke of us as 'are these people you want to piss off?' and so on.
Apparently us Eve players have reputations for being the badasses of the MMO communities. Having seen it from within for a while, that's kind of hilarious, even if there's a kernel of truth to maturity being a bit more common-place here than in most other MMOs.
Meta-gaming is part of life in EVE.
Theft is part of life in EVE.
Betrayal is part of life in EVE.
Piracy is part of life in EVE.
Horrible losses is part of life in EVE.
Severe and non-fun lag is part of life in EVE.
Suicide ganking is part of life in EVE.
"No-where is safe" is part of life in EVE.
Compared to all other MMO's EVE players must be some of the most sadistic, thick-skinned, horribly jaded and frankly, bitter MMO players to walk the planet.
I still love this game for what it is. I'm confident others do as well. Yes, I too am sure that hitting EVE was a major waste of their time and only helped add another charge to their soon-to-be impressive list of criminal charges to be read up in court.
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Any linkeys? It's always nice to read praise bout oneself.
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They pissed off a hacktivist called Jester and now he is destroying them for it. Probably won't be long before a few get caught/arrested. Personal details for a handful of Lulzsec members are already released publicly (presumably courtesy of Jester).
I hear one of them got nabbed this am.
I think they should be given a choice.
A. Stiff fines, jail term and a long probation that includes no computer/internet/smart phone access.
B. Commuted sentance if the hacker agrees to employment with either the FBI/CIA/ Homeland Security, Interpol, etc.
"Ok kid. You either go to jail or...there's a compouter...there's China. Destroy Chinese Communisum and you get a hwat pawket." :yar:
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They pissed off a hacktivist called Jester and now he is destroying them for it. Probably won't be long before a few get caught/arrested. Personal details for a handful of Lulzsec members are already released publicly (presumably courtesy of Jester).
"Ok kid. You either go to jail or...there's a compouter...there's China. Destroy Chinese Communisum and you get a hwat pawket." :yar:
:lol:
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Hmm... someone needs to suggest Facebook as the next target.
Shut that down for a few years and the collective IQ of the internet will rise by 50%, I swear.
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I thought people here played eve. No pity and all, life mechanics don't prevent it.,,
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http://www.gadgetell.com/technologytell/article/lulzsec-gets-hacked-and-threatened/
Not sure what to make of it. Gotta wait for the names to be named I guess.
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They were already doxed quite a while ago from what I can tell. http://lulzsecexposed.blogspot.com/
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Having read various tidbits about LULZ around the web (there's not too many online communities that doesn't have a LULZ thread or two) I have noted with some amusement that there's almost always someone saying some variation of the following:
"Why did they bother with Eve? Is there a playerbase more jaded to this stuff?" followed by various comparisons to 'giving a spanking fetishist a pat on the rump' and other various metaphors. Others spoke of us as 'are these people you want to piss off?' and so on.
Apparently us Eve players have reputations for being the badasses of the MMO communities. Having seen it from within for a while, that's kind of hilarious, even if there's a kernel of truth to maturity being a bit more common-place here than in most other MMOs.
Meta-gaming is part of life in EVE.
Theft is part of life in EVE.
Betrayal is part of life in EVE.
Piracy is part of life in EVE.
Horrible losses is part of life in EVE.
Severe and non-fun lag is part of life in EVE.
Suicide ganking is part of life in EVE.
"No-where is safe" is part of life in EVE.
Compared to all other MMO's EVE players must be some of the most sadistic, thick-skinned, horribly jaded and frankly, bitter MMO players to walk the planet.
I still love this game for what it is. I'm confident others do as well. Yes, I too am sure that hitting EVE was a major waste of their time and only helped add another charge to their soon-to-be impressive list of criminal charges to be read up in court.
I stare back at the face of death hackers with my 70$ monocled gaze!
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http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=2397.msg33123#msg33123
p. much same applies here.
combination of: lack of empathy, blaming victims, boredom and basic dishonesty.
phrases like: "its not stealing. Paypal are just leaving this money lying around. if a bank threw cash into a dumpster, wouldn't you take it?" and so on.
Not so long ago, when parking my car, I happened to notice on the ground, a set of car keys, they had a Renault logo on them. I thought one of the neighbours had such a vehicle, and so waited to see if it turned up, then I could find out whose car it was, and if they'd lost a set of keys. Which it did, and they had.
These lulzsec people, amongst many, many others, would not do such. What they'd do, is test the key in various Renaults to see if it worked, joyride it around, probably write it off, and then say "well you shouldn't have dropped the key then".
That's the difference.
These sorts of attitudes, are infantile and erode any chance of humanity developing.
Guess this is a good sign for me then. As a part of my work-day I need to take a ferry across the fjord twice a day to get to/from work. I've taken it so many times I know what sounds to listen for; how long I usually have between the original de-celeration til the turbines start reversing to slow the ship down and berting, and so on.
Random passengers, especially people driving cargo up and down the kingdom don't know this and usually leave their seats to go get ready and get into their vehicles long before they have to, strictly speaking. A few months ago some guy sitting by the table in front of my usual seat forgot his wallet, with his drivers-license, visa, personal info, family album and money. When I make ready to leave, I notice this and pick it up. I like the seat I usually sit in because while the passenger-cabin is under surveillance, there is only one camera and it's sitting above my seat.
In other words my seat and the table in front are in a dead-angle and I could have gotten away with said wallet and several thousand crowns with no problem at all.
Ofc I did no such thing. I flipped it open, had a quick look at the ID and tried my best to memorize the face on it. Then I ran outside and asked every driver of every car, making sure to compare faces. Found the guy in a frantic search for - I'm making a wild guess here... - his wallet. I hardly even had to ask because I could see it was the right guy. He got his rather vital piece of leather back I got to go on with my day wondering what I'd do if I had just tucked it in my pocket and walked off the ship.
I'd like to imagine that anyone would do this, even for utter, random strangers. Sadly, the world don't work like this, and neither does these juveniles. I'm still going to laught when they are all in jail, simply because they have provided ample evidence of deserving it.
Why does it always make me suspicious when people purposefully evade being on security cameras. :|
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Who knows Laerise. Some people simply don't like the idea of being watched as such, I'm among them. Though while I enjoy my privacy this camera's function is not to poke into my life or anything, but to let the crew know how things are in the passenger cabin.
Also, in this case sitting under the camera for the purpsoe of not being detected is kind of pointless; I have to walk onboard/off the ship and I have to pay my ticket. When I get up from that place and walk a few meters ahead (to get off the ship) I'm seen by the camera; when I walk to it to sit down, I'm seen. It's simply that while the seat is comfy and in a nice corner (I like sitting with my back to something solid if able) it also happen to be in a dead-angle for the camera and that adds to the feeling of comfort for me.
This might also be why hackers bother me; someone can invade my privacy and steal/destroy my 'property' virtual or actual, and they don't even have to get out of their houses to do so... still, went over this elsewhere to the annoyance of many, no need to repeat.