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EVE-Online RP Discussion and Resources => EVE OOC Summit => Topic started by: Kazzzi on 02 May 2011, 06:07
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Before the waters get poisoned by bitter vets, I figure I should explain a few things to whom it may concern.
U'K <3 Vanguard Imperium.
We're a smaller alliance now than a year ago, we have a pretty chill leadership and a general desire to restore our RP base. Our members had been complaining for months about a lack of slavers for pewpewing with. There were several threadnaughts on the U'K forum about our RP focus. FW mechanics don't support our alliance long term and most nullsec alliances don't really give much RP satisfaction to focus on. We were a bit stumped on how to provide new RP conflicts for our members. Then we saw Vanguard Imperium members in RP channels, on IGS and in local and we were stoked. Khanid slavers who seemed pretty cool.
We eventually decided to launch a campaign against VI. I recall mentioning the idea to Silas a while back, but it was Borza who really pushed for it. Then as we were about to hit the button, PL went all nomnom in Querious. Figuring VI prolly had their hands full, we decided to wait until PL's campaign was over. We have no OOC desire to see VI lose space to any coalition. We OOCly wish them the best in their endeavors in Querious and hope it works out for them there. The sole reasons for our little campaign are to provide RP conflict, content and hopefully a bit of fun for both sides.
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Sehr gut, without studying exact numbers, I assumed Ushra'Khan was some massive alliance, and Vanguard was much smaller (cause of lolRPer syndrome), so when I heard they were going to war, I thought it was a big fish going after a small fish. Them also holding sov as an RP alliance is also a good thing in my books.
So *thumbs up*
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Derp Seri... -93- (Vanguard Imperium) is NOT small, we have a fair amount of numbers... and be aware, we don't all wear the same alliance badge... and out in Null, its our playground ;)
And Kazzzi? we <3 you too.
Well, I do >_> Dunno about Silas :P
I look forward to seeing how it goes, I can't poke my nose into it right now due to :RL: but I hope many 'sploded ships and awesome fights occur!
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Frankly, this is looking to be one of the most interesting RPwars in a long time (not in the least because both sides seem to be intent on pew, not just smack).
I'll be watching closely.
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Enjoy this one guys, I rather envy you, but will be content in the know that you will likely have loads of fun.
And for god's sakes, someone fraps it and link us the epic video, I've not seen a worthwile EVE film in quite some time.
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Hello all!
I miss backstage for a few days and see this when I returned!
Agree with the OP, looking forward to fun stuff. In a lot of ways it's a shame that U'K lives so far away, as we'd probably be having a lot more frequent conflicts if we were only a region or so next to each other. The distances are just a bit much right now so it's a bit cumbersome for me to send pilots 40-50 jumps for a roam into enemy areas.
For those of you watching ringside we haven't really seen any action yet. We've had a lot of cloaky types in a few of our systems and a few attempts at hitting some of our NPC ratters. I think we traded one dramiel Kill in our space and one BS loss in high sec so far, but no actual 'engagements' in any organized capacity with large numbers yet.
Anyway as the OP said, nothing but love OOC for your group and you can be sure if I re-rolled Minmatar I'd be fighting the oppression right along side you.
Of course until that time, "it's on" as they say :)
I will make sure to give -factual- and legit battle reports as they come in, at least for anything that I participate in.
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Mmm Querious seems like a nice neighbourhood to play in :)
Hope to see you in space guys. With any luck you'll get repeat visits, feel free to road-trip over to Curse too!
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Tempted to join U'K... :D
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Tempted to join U'K... :D
I have to admit that I loled. :lol:
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Heard we got a few ships blasted out today for one measly logi kill ;)
Of course you damnable heathens won't send your fleets in when I'M online and coordinating :(
Damn these timezones.
I'll probably push a group or two in you all's direction in the next week or so, so stay tuned of course.
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I missed the op myself, but here's an AAR from our forum:
Ok, Xious decided to bail on the CTA due to hearing there would be a Sex in the city special on tv. In his absence, Forlorn took the gang out, about 18 strong at peak. Drakes/logi/dics and a few vagas.
Got through HED fairly uneventfully, with the locals clearing off gate as soon as they scouted us. From there, went into Querious and straight to the VI home system. Aside from a little smack, they did nothing, and shooting station services got dull, so fleet moved on. 3j away we found an 8 man gang sat on gate in bs+logi. 3-4 of them went down, the rest jumped out to a friendly system next door and went safe. We waited a few minutes, then picked a new system to visit. 2j in, we found a scorpion on gate and popped it, but had a red defense gang land on us just as the scorp went done. 10 minutes later, KB looked like: http://www.ushrakhan.com/edk/?a=kill_related&adjacent&kll_id=141683
In the battle, Nauril/Dirrke had to jump behind the red gang, separating themselves from us, but staying safe. We made a swift break for the edge of querious for a bio and to reship if needed, and then went back in to rescue Naurill/Dirrke. Aside from a few bubbles, this was a complete non-event, and they were quickly back in safety (complete with motivational jailbreak music over comms).
All in all, great night. We found some fights of the right size, and had a great little scrap with them. Thanks for coming along peeps...
Yeah it'd be cool to have a couple of scraps just U'K vs VI but TZs can be a pain. Plus a few of our FCs are sulking and refusing to lead gangs this week which doesn't help :roll:
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Saw you in UVHO last night (before DY) Borza - Totally would have hunted you if I hadn't accidentally my RL and left KP-V.
Being nuetral to your old alliance in that system = baaad!
So, another day ;)
Nice to see you out there and bringing the fights!
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Yeah I missed last night's scrap, but have been looking for targets of opportunity I might be able to take on :)
Without an organised op we tend to be in semi-squishy ships for operating behind enemy lines of course.
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They don't see me cloakin'... dey hatin'...
(http://i775.photobucket.com/albums/yy31/evemonkey/vagabroadside.jpg)
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Nice work yesterday,
Without giving too much operational details away (but more than usual for my RP family):
Basically you caught an unorganized fleet, and the group you engaged was only about half-coordinated and not yet properly merged, and it showed.
When I saw the battle on the boards I did indeed facepalm; on paper that should have been an obvious win for our guys, considering the ships on the field. Some obvious tactical mistakes I will be going over with those that were calling targets. Sometimes two fleets merge in the wrong direction... :P
Kudos for coming down with a good-sized group, and hopefully my guys losing some poorly fitted ships will show people the light a bit, so you guys just keep bringing it on until they do better. Practice is practice is practice. A few spankings will be good for motivation and hopefully get them fired up a bit. If you guys are still crushing groups that sized in a few weeks with what you are bringing, then that's a problem.
But yes like I said time zones are everything. You weren't fighting our "A" team but kills are kills my heathen friends ;)
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Aye, while I wasn't there myself the dudes who were said your gang was clearly pretty disorganised, and you had a good few numbers which didn't show up on KBs apparently, while on our end all but a couple of logis did.
Hopefully we'll get some good fights at the weekend(s) when TZ isn't such an issue.
I don't know if this will be a months-long campaign for us, but even if it's only for a couple of weeks I expect we'll be back periodically for further deployments. CVA and pals are starting to re-emerge in Provi, plus pvp in our 'home' keep us busy too :)
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That's what I love about Eve PVP, an organized but smaller group will always defeat a larger, lumbering force that doesn't have it's shit together. It's always about the strength of the social connections and organization, and rarely about what's on the field.
You catch a weak group without someone kicking all of their asses in the same direction, and you can rip it apart any day of the week.
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I have to say I'm loving the war so far.
Borza and a friend were chasing me sumthin fierce the other day through high-sec. I'm rather glad I got away. It would have been embarrassing. :D
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I have to say I'm loving the war so far.
Borza and a friend were chasing me sumthin fierce the other day through high-sec. I'm rather glad I got away. It would have been embarrassing. :D
Down with this sort of thing :P Back to null sec brother!
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I have to say I'm loving the war so far.
Borza and a friend were chasing me sumthin fierce the other day through high-sec. I'm rather glad I got away. It would have been embarrassing. :D
To elaborate: an alliance mate fought Sinjin here 1v1 baddon vs vaga I think it was? Mokk escaped in hull, I came a few jumps to try and hunt him down and finish him off. Sinjin got a few jumps then docked.
He was really annoyed about you escaping in structure :)
I effectively solo'd a VI Abaddon in my bomber after DT today. (GRRR I AM STRONG) Was meant to be a clever post-DT log-on trap with me as the eyes finding target. Unfortunately the battleship had such terrible exp resist and was already badly hurting from the blood raider rats that he melted with only one of my pals whoring onto the mail. Just after he died a corpie of his arrived in a 'cane. I was warping off, one vaga was taking heavy rat fire and down to half shields and so we had to bail :/ Which triggered this guy smacking in local in broken english about us running away as well as, oddly, him raging about RPers Ushra'Khan and much anger.
Post-fight entertainment was better than the fight itself :)
Later we got a Navy Scorp coming out of nullsec. I presume the odder parts of his fit were due to travelling.
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Any idiot flying solo with a faction ship deserves to lose it, no sympathy here. I haven't seen any kills on our boards that weren't completely avoidable, so not shedding any tears yet :)
I ran a fleet through a bunch of your guys yesterday but no takers, was a bit sad :/
Most of my people aren't interested in chasing around cloakers all day so this might be very boring very fast for 90% of my people. Anyone you kill ratting deserves it as those are completely avoidable deaths.
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Yes, 'Baddon vs Vaga. I was in half armor and had barely gotten through his shields so discretion became the better part of valor.
So I was playing earlier this am after work ratting a belt in null-sec and not paying any kinds of attention. And I'm wondering to myself, "What was that guy's name? Lost something? Hrm? Oh there he is. "Lost Exile." Yeah, that was it.
AAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!! WARP!! WARP DAMN YOU!! :bash:
*ahem*
Luckily, this time I was only in a harbi. And the pod got away. 8)
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Apparently there was some scrap last night too, which I missed. 7 of our guys hit a ratting gang of similar numbers. Killed a drake and raven,
were hurting some of the others including a tengu and golem... then your guys lit a cyno to bring in Atlas. carriers who proceeded to rep up the remaining ships :eek: and also Atlas bombers and razu etc. if I understand things correctly.
Our gang got safe in the end, so a good enough exchange overall.
ed: actually the stuff with carriers etc was in a different part of Querious, miscommunication.
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really frustrated taht I haven't gotten to join in the fun yet. Certain technical, RL, and ISK related issues currently keeping me grounded :(
hopefully this will be fixed soon.
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You guys do live pretty damn far, but this campaign at least makes a good statement of RP hostilities.
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Agreed Kazzi.
There's a lot of non-RP people in Vanguard, but we're starting to show them how RP can lead to alot of fun pew-pew.
I think they're getting the point. :)
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Retrated? Come on now, we didn't get any actual fights that were worth anything. booo!
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We'll be back. Will probably need to logistics some ships closer so we can reship for different kinds of fights without 20 jumps and running the HED gatecamps :P
You could always put the effort in and visit us ;)
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That's on the menue actually (sending people your way), but Alliance Tournament prep is eating my free time up right now.. .you all bringing a team btw?
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We'll be back. Will probably need to logistics some ships closer so we can reship for different kinds of fights without 20 jumps and running the HED gatecamps :P
You could always put the effort in and visit us ;)
It was fun, and yeah, don't be surprised to see us on your doorstep soon.
We'll bring pie...I mean, like real pie, not P.I.E... well, maybe we'll bring cake instead and avoid the confusion.
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Cake? Did someone mention cake?
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Yes but they didn't mention panties.
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Yes but they didn't mention panties.
This can be corrected.
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For the record, before we get to a new campaign:
http://www.ushrakhan.com/edk/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=18
http://www.ushrakhan.com/edk/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=14
and the only big-ish fight: http://www.ushrakhan.com/edk/?a=kill_related&kll_id=141677
Look forward to your visit, hope you turn up when we have numbers online to give you a fight :)
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Small rebuttal :)
Those stats are indeed laughable, but in my defense I'd say 90% of those losses are ganks against solo ratters or people traveling foolishly by themselves without support. Not 'fights' so much as deserved executions for stupidity :)
Now I don't blame you for those, as I'd sure be shooting any idiots traveling around in solo ships without support as well. On the positive side no better way for our carebear-ish types to get a f-ing clue than to lose some expensive hardware due to stupidity.
The only real 'fight' was indeed an ass-whupping; a few different alliance small gangs trying to coordinate over different comms and poor fleet-merging lead to an absolute thrashing, so good work there. A great example that the coordinated group always wins, no matter what is on field.
As far as sending people your way, it is difficult. A large chunk of our pvpers can't take the high-sec route due to sec status and the null-route is lengthy.
We'll figure something out :)
BTW we were hoping that black ops gang yesterday would take some shots at my fleet, but no way to force a fight on cloakies if they don't want one :(
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It's a testament to what can be done by a patient and determined pack of Hunters, at least. I'm impressed by Ushra'Khan here, and also sympathetic to VI since it's almost impossible to mount a properly effective defense against that kind of attack force.
Want to see how this evolves in the future.
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Basically yes. Not impossible but generally uninteresting (Chasing down cloakies or hanging out waiting for them). The attacks have only been effecting those who aren't paying attention, so there hasn't been much actual disruption of activities. We in leadership haven't been too heavy handed with standing fleets and you can see the obvious results.
Discipline is a narrow edge in Eve. You walk too-hard a line and people are uninterested in spending their time being bossed-around. You get too lax and lots of people get blown up. Striking the balance is part of our task as management :)
As experience levels rise and quality of your membership improves, you can start cutting dead weight and tightening up nearly all of your policies. When you are new on the scene (a 'young' alliance like VI) and numbers count, you have to be far more lax on a host of issues. It's an interesting issue, actually.
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Basically yes. Not impossible but generally uninteresting (Chasing down cloakies or hanging out waiting for them). The attacks have only been effecting those who aren't paying attention, so there hasn't been much actual disruption of activities. We in leadership haven't been too heavy handed with standing fleets and you can see the obvious results.
Discipline is a narrow edge in Eve. You walk too-hard a line and people are uninterested in spending their time being bossed-around. You get too lax and lots of people get blown up. Striking the balance is part of our task as management :)
As experience levels rise and quality of your membership improves, you can start cutting dead weight and tightening up nearly all of your policies. When you are new on the scene (a 'young' alliance like VI) and numbers count, you have to be far more lax on a host of issues. It's an interesting issue, actually.
How relaxed are most of your haulers? The frequency with which one of my corpies is popping t1 haulers leads me to believe that you guys feel very safe down there. Not that this is a bad thing, usually symptomatic of good dimplomacy and friendly neighbors.
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I can't give away too many operational specifics, but I'll just say that anyone running around long distance on the pipe with haulers hasn't been paying attention, with the rather ridiculous amount and variety of direct point-to-point travel methods at our disposal.
Nothing important to alliance as a group is being transported via hauler, I'll just say that.
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No worries, I will try and be more constructive here, or possibly start another thread on that specific issue.
I think there are a lot of good ways for you all to interact with our holdings in Querious. Why not bridge in a cloaky-hauler, run a 'reverse' slave raid on one of our planets? If you screencapped the hauler above our planet, maybe showed us the cargo-hold full of refugees on the way out, that would seem pretty reasonable to me? I think there are a lot of fun opportunities for both groups to get good PR.
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No worries, I will try and be more constructive here, or possibly start another thread on that specific issue.
I think there are a lot of good ways for you all to interact with our holdings in Querious. Why not bridge in a cloaky-hauler, run a 'reverse' slave raid on one of our planets? If you screencapped the hauler above our planet, maybe showed us the cargo-hold full of refugees on the way out, that would seem pretty reasonable to me? I think there are a lot of fun opportunities for both groups to get good PR.
Now that we know IC and OOC that this would be feasible and not just seen as godmodding we may well do so during the next campaign. I wish you'd let us know sooner though, at least OOC...
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No worries, I will try and be more constructive here, or possibly start another thread on that specific issue.
I think there are a lot of good ways for you all to interact with our holdings in Querious. Why not bridge in a cloaky-hauler, run a 'reverse' slave raid on one of our planets? If you screencapped the hauler above our planet, maybe showed us the cargo-hold full of refugees on the way out, that would seem pretty reasonable to me? I think there are a lot of fun opportunities for both groups to get good PR.
Now that we know IC and OOC that this would be feasible and not just seen as godmodding we may well do so during the next campaign. I wish you'd let us know sooner though, at least OOC...
I just thought of it :P Actually that does sound pretty damn cool to me. It fits well with your fighting style, and actually sounds pretty damned neat to me.
I think it also makes sense as we are still moving into the area, plenty of systems still have low sov-levels, and there's bound to be a lot of holes in defense nets as things are still being consolidated planetside. Hitting some off-the-beaten path planetary internment camps sounds pretty damned awesome to me.
I was about to run a story about how difficult it's been dealing with the planetside blood raider populations, to boot :P
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I was about to run a story about how difficult it's been dealing with the planetside blood raider populations, to boot :P
We should have a chat about this sometime. Vicky may not be a fan of the Blood Raiders IC, but she’s a huge fan of creating unrest and being a thorn in the side, and I’m finally getting to the point where I can undock and play in Querious, just in time for the wardeck to end.
Mmm… evil thoughts. And coinciding timezones? something VI and U’K don’t really have most of the time.
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By the way, I think we should contact ISD for this one, would be awesome press for you guys running a daring emancipation raid, and for us being evil and stomping our local subjects.