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EVE-Online RP Discussion and Resources => CCP Public Library => Topic started by: Casiella on 28 Feb 2011, 13:17
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In case you haven't seen it, CCP will host a live dev blog next Tuesday (http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=4419&tid=1) on fiction and content.
Guess I'll be working from home that afternoon.
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Sweeeet.
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For us unlucky ones, could someone post a transcript, or will CCP be putting it up somewhere?
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I can guarantee that lots of us will be putting something up.
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i posted my questions on the thread, many people have already posted many good questions.
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I hope we get good representation for this! Make your questions/comments/criticisms known!
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For us unlucky ones, could someone post a transcript, or will CCP be putting it up somewhere?
They'll be posting a transcript a day or two afterwards.
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TonyG is answering the questions...
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TonyG is answering the questions...
(http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/8762/1288328559465.jpg)
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Yeah, so Abraxas will be there, too. I suppose I should try a bit of a controversial question and see if Soundwave passes it over.
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I wonder if Kathryn is going to ask about the misogynistic aspect of the whole TEA :D
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I'm impressed by the ammount of questions regarding the COSMOS agents and missions.
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Got my questions in. i think enough caldari questions were asked by other people I wanted to know more about the live events platform. i haven't looked through them all but I wonder if anyone asked why tonyg thinsk the TEA got bad reviews :)
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Just a reminder for folks, I believe this is later today, if you're going to tune in.
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coooolness
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Please don't ruin anything for me...
Please, Caldari Jesus, just don't let them ruin my faction for me.
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Oh, I'm totally down with this today. Will try to live blog it.
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For those of us at our day jobs during this, thank you so much if you do!
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Live blogging the live dev blog. (http://rift.chromebits.net/2011/03/live-dev-blog-fiction-and-content/)
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Synopsis: RP stuff isn't a priority and also the stuff we are working on is AWESOME and the players are going to love it.
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Hamish - thats not my Take Away from the Live Blogging of it.
They are Revamping as Much as they can to Remove Inconsistances and get to a point where everything can be handed to the Players on Demand and that you don't have to search for it.
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Hamish, I did not see it like that at all (except for the bit about FW).
What bits cause you to say that?
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All I heard was the suggestion that a player might become the president of the Federation, and I tuned out. =_=
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That was somebody asking. CCP very politely said "oh hell no."
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They really avoided quite a bit of the questions posted in their announcement thread..... :s
sorry to say that, but didn't expect much from this live devblog really :cry:
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Oh, thank god. /o\
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Bruno, I'd say that's because quite a bit of the questions were at the wrong meta level. "What will happen with the Jovians?" isn't the sort of question they were going to be answering. "Can you tell us more about the project on retcons for consistency?" was at the right meta level.
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Synopsis: RP stuff isn't a priority and also the stuff we are working on is AWESOME and the players are going to love it.
My impression was they are working more on immersion / in game fiction portals than they are /sipping chatchannel style, which I believe in.
Could be wrong though, they seem to want to do alot with Incursions / FW / Live Events for story stuff™ but it might get backburned.
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I heard 'agent bios' being mentioned in the context of the Immersion project, I think. This seems interesting to me.
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Bruno, I'd say that's because quite a bit of the questions were at the wrong meta level. "What will happen with the Jovians?" isn't the sort of question they were going to be answering. "Can you tell us more about the project on retcons for consistency?" was at the right meta level.
These were my questions mate......i didnt ask for the jovians....i was asking for development of the storyline and content:
To CCP TonyG and CCP Abraxas:
First i would like to thank you for writing the novels, and hope you continue writing more. Either in chronicles or other potential books.
I take from your work that you are both responsible for "painting" the grand scheme of this world, adding details or just explaining the development of the galatic geo-politics through your tales, however i would like to know the following:
1) Do you integrate your work with those people creating the NPC content? be it missions, market items, agent dialog, epic arcs, or even exploration sites?. If the answer is yes, How? if the answer is no, would you like to?.
2) Will you ever publish a sort of "Prime Fiction directive" (or infodump), where you address and describe in very broad terms the basics of each faction (be it main empires or minor ones) to the extent that players can understand how they work, how they culture behaves, their religious beliefs and day to day lives might look like?. Current evelopedia content is vague....too vague...and althought players efforts have been helpful there are still important backgrounds details that should be explored in order to foster both light or complex RP.
3) I applaud your efforts both in story telling and bringing back live events, it has been a world of change for a RPer like myself, but sporadic news articles portraying important events from NPCs were an important aspect that kept the galaxy "alive" and ever changing. Given that you both sort of fullfil the role of orchestra directors in such a topic, what do you think of it? if there was a compelling reason to drop them, is that reason still valid? will you consider reactivating them?. What was required to publish them? was too taxing?.
To CCP Big Dumb Object and CCP Headfirst
First i would like to thank you for bringing incursions and creating all the neat and colorful live events with actors and real interaction in game. Omune Balenne was a personal favorite.
My questions are more directed at existing content and future content, but probably more related to what could be considered "mission content":
1) will you ever revisit COSMOS and migrate them to the epic arc framework? COSMOS missios were great content, but unfinished or not well polished, numerous patchs have been fixing things but all related to small details, not really the overall thing (take note, not all COSMOS agents have problems, but more are related to gallente/minmatar).
2) Landmarks is content, and one i appreciate it the most, it added variation from system to system, COSMOS in particular was an old initiative to "paint" the galaxy. Are any considerations to keep painting it? not in the form of more COSMOS stuff, but adding "sites and places"?. This thread is an example of all the locations available to check out.....would you consider refining on the idea?.
3) From a developer standpoint, what sort of process your team engages in order to integrate content in the game? does it depends from many areas? do you have the ability to add many things without involving the other teams? do you focus more on the mechanics or the text/description/storyline?.
i was lucky thought, they answered 4 of 6 for me...
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You know, I'm gonna say that I was cautiously impressed by reading between the lines. Nothing they said directly made me go "hell yeah", but then again nor did it make me go "oh crap", but that's cause they were talking about projects that certainly seem necessary, but not all that glamorous (consolidating PF, etc). Back some years, I got the feeling the storyline development in general was far more .. haphazard and played second fiddle than it seems to be these days. That - if true - is great.
Also, what they said about incursions was interesting on the long-term. The possibility in the system is that incursions aren't just a Sansha thing (ie. Incursion the '10/'11 Expansion), but that they could be part of a way to bring content to the game in future as well. Indeed, that's what I most took out of the thing: their design is modular and it at least has the capacity of fitting together into bigger, neater chunks (ie. incursions by their own are neato PvE content, FW by itself is its own thing, but incursions + FW could be something greater than either). It remains to be seen when they're going to start taking advantage of that.
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Bruno, yeah, you had the right level of questions. So I'm not worried about all the folks asking "SO WUT IZ UP WIF SLEEPERZ" or whatever. ;)
Also, I was glad to see that they're working right now on the agent divisions and randomness. That needs to go away.
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Bruno, yeah, you had the right level of questions. So I'm not worried about all the folks asking "SO WUT IZ UP WIF SLEEPERZ" or whatever. ;)
What are these "Sleepers" you speak of? ;) I'm just mad that they changed Incursions from EoM to Sansha. That made me nearly cry.
Also, I was glad to see that they're working right now on the agent divisions and randomness. That needs to go away.
See, the only thing that was really new to me was that they had a Storyline Bible in the works, and that it has taken a year and a half to get it finished. This just... you have no idea how...
:bash:
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Also, I was glad to see that they're working right now on the agent divisions and randomness. That needs to go away.
I remain undecided on that point. It could be interesting and useful, or it could make things dull from a corp-PF perspective if they just compress them into 'mining' 'courier' and 'kill' agents, or it could make things ridiculously exploitable and push mission hubs into even smaller focal points if they reduce the randomness too much.
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Sure, they could screw it up worse, but that remains to be seen.
And I took the "year and a half" for the storyline bible the same as everything else: probably too much "ooh shiny" the whole time. As I blogged before, CCP has ADD.
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I think I may have convinced shadow to swing by OOC channel on occasion, so that's cool
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James (Shadow) has always been a cool guy.
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And I took the "year and a half" for the storyline bible the same as everything else: probably too much "ooh shiny" the whole time. As I blogged before, CCP has ADD.
No, no no no... what I'm irked about is that it should have been in place long, long ago. I don't blame White Wolf at all for not wanting to devote resources to making a tabletop game now. As I said not long ago on the EVE Fiction forums, this stuff should have been in place. Why? Because it's going to be a continuous uphill battle until that bible is in place. "Oooh shiny," doesn't work in publishing, and it really shouldn't be acceptable in game development. I've got a lot more respect for the task that Tony has at this point, and I'm betting he's got a lot on his plate right now.
That said: if CCP wants to go anywhere else with the IP aside from media tie-in novels, they need to have that bible, and they need to consolidate the setting of the game. It should have been done by now. Not only will this be an issue moving forward with the immersion aspects (note I didn't say "features") they wish to add, but I now completely understand why they put a halt to the Chronicles; it's adding in more aspects that need to be consolidated into the bible instead of being born of and added to it.
Everything added in, storyline-wise, needs to be set in stone. As much of a "fan" of Star Wars EU as Tony has shown to be (see -I think?- the 2008 Fanfest EVE IP video for details), and with as much understanding of what has gone wrong in his eyes with how that IP has been handled, I really think he should understand how not to make those mistakes, without falling into the others that he seems to be falling into ( ::cough::fear of fan rejection::cough:: )...
...and darn you Casiella, I know what you're thinking! I won't do it I tell you! I'm out! :P
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I'm both pleased and concerned that they want to 'develop the pirate factions more'
If they do with Sarpati what they did w/ Kuvakei I'm going to cry though.
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I'm both pleased and concerned that they want to 'develop the pirate factions more'
If they do with Sarpati what they did w/ Kuvakei I'm going to cry though.
Tony G/current CCP fiction tendencies are...
Damn these rules on Backstage. Who came up with this nonsense anyway?
I think that, ah, a different direction than the vast, dramatic, and unlikely (which is to say, perhaps, blatantly contrived) might have been more in the spirit of Eve. That goes for the events of EA, much of the current Sansha stuff, and it is my hope that they take a more interesting, if less bang-wow, tack in the future.
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I was interested in the diversity of their responses to Arkady's question about shades of gra(e)y. Abraxas said the universe includes both the shading and contrast, though he sounded fairly diplomatic. Tony focuses on conflict to tell a "damn good story" (his words, not mine, Silver :) ). And then Gnauton hauls off and says it's all about moral relativism and how the real world doesn't have good guys and bad guys, just "interests and propaganda".
FWIW, though, when Tony addressed the storyline bible, he did say that it "speaks in broad strokes about shades of gray". So he's at least got the idea down.