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[Makkal]

In the Summit, Makkal recently voiced displeasure that Cynthia Gallente was offering her 'services' to the highest bidder in Jita Local.

What followed was a wide range of responses, but not much in the way of discussion. A few of the viewpoints expressed...

-- I now look down on you
-- You're a whore (followed by 'but there's nothing wrong with that.')
-- Stop degrading yourself like that
-- You're the girl with bunny ears so I'm going to insult you regardless
-- There's nothing wrong with prostitution
-- You people are all murderers. Who are you to judge her?

In this thread, we can discuss how our characters and the various New Eden cultures likely view 'the world's oldest profession.'

[kalaratiri]

Well, it certainly exists.

Aside from that, I would rather think that, at least in the circles capsuleers move in, it would be more like an escort service than just simple prostitution. Capsuleers would likely be happy to pay a decent amount of money to have a beautiful date for their exclusive club parties. The sex afterwards is just a bonus.

Appearance > Function.

[Pieter Tuulinen]

I'm rather of the opinion that Capsuleers are FAR too wealthy for prositution to even be an issue. Capsuleers have wealth to the point where, if they were so inclined, they could own braces of companions of the desired sex.

I'm not necessarily talking about slavery - although in the case of Amarrians or certain fringe outlier groups, why not? I'm talking about concubines. Consorts.

Capsuleers enjoy a standard of living and an access to wealth that it is simply beyond the ken of regular baseliners. Beauty is not so rare a resource, after all and it is a buyers market.

Of course such relationships are unlikely to be as satisfying as a mutual association of equals, for most people. But neither would prostitution.

I'm a little confused as to why a Capsuleer would elect to spend the sort of money that could arrange for a small town of consorts exclusively engineered, sculpted and trained from birth to meet their exacting standards on a night with Cynthia Gallente, but history suggests that attempting to predict the sexual peccadiloes of the wealthy is a losing proposition.

[Creep]

Much like in RL, I subscribe to a rather Gallente attitude. I see no problem with sex4pay, so long as it is done with protection between consenting adults.

Combat podders (podder vs podder/non-pod capable) espousing moral goodness from positions of moral superiority amuse me, but then, as a pirate, I view everything from a position of moral scumminess.

That a podder is offering herself up as a prostitute would be surprising to us in our Real World, since in RL, prostitution is generally assumed to be something done by the desperate. However, even in our world, high-class escorts and madams/pimps tend to be fairly well off, and many sex-workers are actually well-educated and well-qualified for other work opportunities. Sex-Workers ply their trade for many reasons.

From a Gallente point of view — and particularly a Gallente Capsuleer's — getting that sweet, sweet ISK for some casual hedonism is not surprising at all. After all, we happily scam, con, and murder each other for a couple thousand ISK — sex is actually fun for both parties and (probably) not harmful, so it's by FAR the most morally-upstanding option. I'm actually surprised more people don't do it.

Makkal's Amarr viewpoint is steeped in her religious cultural tradition, so is perfectly valid.
I do wonder, given the ISK/worktime/intimacy aspect, what the Caldari viewpoint would be. I'm also wondering what the Guristas would think of a wealthy capsuleer who engages in prostitution — obviously they're okay with pimping out men and women for cash, but would they lose respect for a podder conducting sex-work?

The Matari seem to be far less sexually liberated than the Gallente, and have many physically-oriented spiritual traditions. I'm wondering if their spiritual taboos might be an obstacle to prostitution.

And Sanshabros, knowing little about your views on greed, wealth, and intimacy, what are the Big Man's view on sex-work in the Utopian Hivemind?

[Makkal]

Makkal doesn't view prostitution as a bad thing. She's hired escorts previously. It helps people manage their desires if they're not in a relationships, or if they are in a relationship and there are issues. 

She is going to look down on a person who hawks their body in Jita local. It's 1) indiscreet and 2) undignified.

I am against the idea that the Empire and the Kingdom is 'anti-sex.' I do view them as anti-public displays of sexuality.  Also, Makkal's from a status conscious society. One shouldn't treat one's pussy like frozen trout sold bulk at Food-4-Less; it should be fine caviar, elegant and exclusive.

[Saede Riordan]

I OOCly think the concept of ingame prostitution has the potential for a lot of drama, and it is technically against the EULA to do it at all, so my issues with someone doing it are mostly OOC related. Its essentially trying to sell cybers for ISK, which is just...ehh, all kinds of mucky, and I say that as someone whose done it. Especially advertising it in local? In Jita? Bad idea.

ICly, Saede is actually a former prostitute, and has very liberal ideas about sex, and thus is very much in support of, maybe not the profession itself, but the dignity of those doing it. "Being a whore doesn't make you a bad person" etc. The said, I think she would probably find the idea of selling yourself for money as a capsuleer to be kind of silly.

[Anslol]

One shouldn't treat one's pussy like frozen trout sold bulk at Food-4-Less; it should be fine caviar, elegant and exclusive.

I lol'd, so so hard.

[Samira Kernher]

Samira is opposed to it for cultural reasons. The Empire is against displays of indecency in public, and so are probably more likely to have high-class escorts and 'Geishas' rather than strip clubs and brothels. Whether or not sex is involved at the end is irrelevant, what matters is the public image. An additional factor is status and bloodline. The Empire has strict definitions of where one is supposed to be in society, and crossing over into another place is only done rarely. Therefore relations between members of different classes is not well-respected. Of course, that happens 'under the table' anyway, as seen with Idonis Ardishapur and Uriam Kador. Conservative regions in particular, which are shown in lore to be very insular and opposed to outside influences, will probably focus on pairing individuals of the same bloodline and the same class, with anything outside of the bloodline and class being a major faux pas.

Also, I fucking hate the, "you're all murderers so you can't judge anyone," ad hominem arguments. They're two completely different subjects.

[Sakura Nihil]

One shouldn't treat one's pussy like frozen trout sold bulk at Food-4-Less; it should be fine caviar, elegant and exclusive.

I lol'd, so so hard.

Seconded.

[Katrina Oniseki]

I'm a little confused as to why a Capsuleer would elect to spend the sort of money that could arrange for a small town of consorts exclusively engineered, sculpted and trained from birth to meet their exacting standards on a night with Cynthia Gallente

This. Nothing against Cynthia Gallente the character, as appearance is subjective... but I have a hard time figuring out what makes her worth 500 million ISK as a prostitute. Pieter is right. You could buy out half a planetary city with that kind of money.

It would be more worthwhile to hire your very own harem of, as Pieter pointed out, "consorts exclusively engineered, sculpted and trained from birth". Regular baseliner girls, who could easily live the socialite Kim Kardashian life on a fraction of a million ISK. More girls is often better than one, especially when we're talking about being useful for more than sex. You could staff your entire household with nothing but whores of every shape and color imaginable, perfectly molded to shape your needs and desires.

Oh, and... baseliners girls won't scam your ISK and run away like a capsuleer will.

As usual, I see nearly no reason to pay a capsuleer for anything I can get from a baseliner.

EDIT: Please note that I used girls instead of guys as an example because Cynthia is a female. Made more sense to compare by the same gender, but male prostitutes are great too!

[Morwen Lagann]

One shouldn't treat one's pussy like frozen trout sold bulk at Food-4-Less; it should be fine caviar, elegant and exclusive.

I lol'd, so so hard.

Me too. Great way to put it.

There was a lot more to the issue last night than implied in the OP alone.

- Yes, Cynthia was, put bluntly, whoring herself out. In Jita local of all places. Beyond the "what the fuck is wrong with you, why the hell are you doing something like that to make money" that comes with a capsuleer whoring themselves out, there's also the matter that it's rather difficult to respect someone who can't respect themselves.
- As Saede pointed out, this is sort of a violation of the EULA (as much as there can be a 'sort of' with these things).
- She was also scamming people in the process. And bragging about it. While this might be allowed by CCP, the context of the scam itself is not. And just because we might find it funny, EULA issues aside, does not mean that our characters will find it funny.

And a +1 to Samira and Katrina.

[Synthia]

I'm a little confused as to why a Capsuleer would elect to spend the sort of money that could arrange for a small town of consorts exclusively engineered, sculpted and trained from birth to meet their exacting standards on a night with Cynthia Gallente

This. Nothing against Cynthia Gallente the character, as appearance is subjective... but I have a hard time figuring out what makes her worth 500 million ISK as a prostitute. Pieter is right. You could buy out half a planetary city with that kind of money.

It would be more worthwhile to hire your very own harem of, as Pieter pointed out, "consorts exclusively engineered, sculpted and trained from birth". Regular baseliner girls, who could easily live the socialite Kim Kardashian life on a fraction of a million ISK. More girls is often better than one, especially when we're talking about being useful for more than sex. You could staff your entire household with nothing but whores of every shape and color imaginable, perfectly molded to shape your needs and desires.

Oh, and... baseliners girls won't scam your ISK and run away like a capsuleer will.

As usual, I see nearly no reason to pay a capsuleer for anything I can get from a baseliner.

EDIT: Please note that I used girls instead of guys as an example because Cynthia is a female. Made more sense to compare by the same gender, but male prostitutes are great too!

And yet, people called me stupid when Synthia mentioned the Exotic Dancer Farms, and the trade in Exotic Dancer eggs. vOv

[Katrina Oniseki]

There was a lot more to the issue last night than implied in the OP alone.

- Yes, Cynthia was, put bluntly, whoring herself out. In Jita local of all places. Beyond the "what the fuck is wrong with you, why the hell are you doing something like that to make money" that comes with a capsuleer whoring themselves out, there's also the matter that it's rather difficult to respect someone who can't respect themselves.

I think this is a subjective opinion, assuming you're suggesting that being a prostitute means you don't respect yourself. If you're just saying that she's being unprofessional about being a prostitute, then I suppose I can agree, though that is still subjective.

- As Saede pointed out, this is sort of a violation of the EULA (as much as there can be a 'sort of' with these things).

Depends on what she is doing.

- She was also scamming people in the process. And bragging about it. While this might be allowed by CCP, the context of the scam itself is not. And just because we might find it funny, EULA issues aside, does not mean that our characters will find it funny.

As long as she is not saying sexually explicit or offensive things while she is scamming, that's legal according to EULA.

[Pieter Tuulinen]

I totally didn't, Synthia. Engineered consorts would be a very lucrative market for a certain sort of capsuleer.

[Katrina Oniseki]

And yet, people called me stupid when Synthia mentioned the Exotic Dancer Farms, and the trade in Exotic Dancer eggs. vOv

Well they're wrong. Nothing wrong with training strippers, or whatever. Breeding sex slaves is something I'm surprised we don't see more of in Amarr RP... but I suppose it's just too unpalatable to be roleplaying somebody who's force breeding and selling rape victims.