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Title: Views on Prositution in New Eden
Post by: Makkal on 23 May 2013, 13:28
In the Summit, Makkal recently voiced displeasure that Cynthia Gallente was offering her 'services' to the highest bidder in Jita Local.

What followed was a wide range of responses, but not much in the way of discussion. A few of the viewpoints expressed...

-- I now look down on you
-- You're a whore (followed by 'but there's nothing wrong with that.')
-- Stop degrading yourself like that
-- You're the girl with bunny ears so I'm going to insult you regardless
-- There's nothing wrong with prostitution
-- You people are all murderers. Who are you to judge her?

In this thread, we can discuss how our characters and the various New Eden cultures likely view 'the world's oldest profession.'

Title: Re: Views on Prositution in New Eden
Post by: kalaratiri on 23 May 2013, 13:35
Well, it certainly exists.

Aside from that, I would rather think that, at least in the circles capsuleers move in, it would be more like an escort service than just simple prostitution. Capsuleers would likely be happy to pay a decent amount of money to have a beautiful date for their exclusive club parties. The sex afterwards is just a bonus.

Appearance > Function.
Title: Re: Views on Prositution in New Eden
Post by: Pieter Tuulinen on 23 May 2013, 13:50
I'm rather of the opinion that Capsuleers are FAR too wealthy for prositution to even be an issue. Capsuleers have wealth to the point where, if they were so inclined, they could own braces of companions of the desired sex.

I'm not necessarily talking about slavery - although in the case of Amarrians or certain fringe outlier groups, why not? I'm talking about concubines. Consorts.

Capsuleers enjoy a standard of living and an access to wealth that it is simply beyond the ken of regular baseliners. Beauty is not so rare a resource, after all and it is a buyers market.

Of course such relationships are unlikely to be as satisfying as a mutual association of equals, for most people. But neither would prostitution.

I'm a little confused as to why a Capsuleer would elect to spend the sort of money that could arrange for a small town of consorts exclusively engineered, sculpted and trained from birth to meet their exacting standards on a night with Cynthia Gallente, but history suggests that attempting to predict the sexual peccadiloes of the wealthy is a losing proposition.
Title: Re: Views on Prositution in New Eden
Post by: Creep on 23 May 2013, 14:00
Much like in RL, I subscribe to a rather Gallente attitude. I see no problem with sex4pay, so long as it is done with protection between consenting adults.

Combat podders (podder vs podder/non-pod capable) espousing moral goodness from positions of moral superiority amuse me, but then, as a pirate, I view everything from a position of moral scumminess.

That a podder is offering herself up as a prostitute would be surprising to us in our Real World, since in RL, prostitution is generally assumed to be something done by the desperate. However, even in our world, high-class escorts and madams/pimps tend to be fairly well off, and many sex-workers are actually well-educated and well-qualified for other work opportunities. Sex-Workers ply their trade for many reasons.

From a Gallente point of view — and particularly a Gallente Capsuleer's — getting that sweet, sweet ISK for some casual hedonism is not surprising at all. After all, we happily scam, con, and murder each other for a couple thousand ISK — sex is actually fun for both parties and (probably) not harmful, so it's by FAR the most morally-upstanding option. I'm actually surprised more people don't do it.

Makkal's Amarr viewpoint is steeped in her religious cultural tradition, so is perfectly valid.
I do wonder, given the ISK/worktime/intimacy aspect, what the Caldari viewpoint would be. I'm also wondering what the Guristas would think of a wealthy capsuleer who engages in prostitution — obviously they're okay with pimping out men and women for cash, but would they lose respect for a podder conducting sex-work?

The Matari seem to be far less sexually liberated than the Gallente, and have many physically-oriented spiritual traditions. I'm wondering if their spiritual taboos might be an obstacle to prostitution.

And Sanshabros, knowing little about your views on greed, wealth, and intimacy, what are the Big Man's view on sex-work in the Utopian Hivemind?
Title: Re: Views on Prositution in New Eden
Post by: Makkal on 23 May 2013, 14:02
Makkal doesn't view prostitution as a bad thing. She's hired escorts previously. It helps people manage their desires if they're not in a relationships, or if they are in a relationship and there are issues

She is going to look down on a person who hawks their body in Jita local. It's 1) indiscreet and 2) undignified.

I am against the idea that the Empire and the Kingdom is 'anti-sex.' I do view them as anti-public displays of sexuality.  Also, Makkal's from a status conscious society. One shouldn't treat one's pussy like frozen trout sold bulk at Food-4-Less; it should be fine caviar, elegant and exclusive.
Title: Re: Views on Prositution in New Eden
Post by: Saede Riordan on 23 May 2013, 14:26
I OOCly think the concept of ingame prostitution has the potential for a lot of drama, and it is technically against the EULA to do it at all, so my issues with someone doing it are mostly OOC related. Its essentially trying to sell cybers for ISK, which is just...ehh, all kinds of mucky, and I say that as someone whose done it. Especially advertising it in local? In Jita? Bad idea.

ICly, Saede is actually a former prostitute, and has very liberal ideas about sex, and thus is very much in support of, maybe not the profession itself, but the dignity of those doing it. "Being a whore doesn't make you a bad person" etc. The said, I think she would probably find the idea of selling yourself for money as a capsuleer to be kind of silly.
Title: Re: Views on Prositution in New Eden
Post by: Anslol on 23 May 2013, 14:26
One shouldn't treat one's pussy like frozen trout sold bulk at Food-4-Less; it should be fine caviar, elegant and exclusive.

I lol'd, so so hard.
Title: Re: Views on Prositution in New Eden
Post by: Samira Kernher on 23 May 2013, 15:04
Samira is opposed to it for cultural reasons. The Empire is against displays of indecency in public, and so are probably more likely to have high-class escorts and 'Geishas' rather than strip clubs and brothels. Whether or not sex is involved at the end is irrelevant, what matters is the public image. An additional factor is status and bloodline. The Empire has strict definitions of where one is supposed to be in society, and crossing over into another place is only done rarely. Therefore relations between members of different classes is not well-respected. Of course, that happens 'under the table' anyway, as seen with Idonis Ardishapur and Uriam Kador. Conservative regions in particular, which are shown in lore to be very insular and opposed to outside influences, will probably focus on pairing individuals of the same bloodline and the same class, with anything outside of the bloodline and class being a major faux pas.

Also, I fucking hate the, "you're all murderers so you can't judge anyone," ad hominem arguments. They're two completely different subjects.
Title: Re: Views on Prositution in New Eden
Post by: Sakura Nihil on 23 May 2013, 15:13
One shouldn't treat one's pussy like frozen trout sold bulk at Food-4-Less; it should be fine caviar, elegant and exclusive.

I lol'd, so so hard.

Seconded.
Title: Re: Views on Prositution in New Eden
Post by: Katrina Oniseki on 23 May 2013, 15:14
I'm a little confused as to why a Capsuleer would elect to spend the sort of money that could arrange for a small town of consorts exclusively engineered, sculpted and trained from birth to meet their exacting standards on a night with Cynthia Gallente

This. Nothing against Cynthia Gallente the character, as appearance is subjective... but I have a hard time figuring out what makes her worth 500 million ISK as a prostitute. Pieter is right. You could buy out half a planetary city with that kind of money.

It would be more worthwhile to hire your very own harem of, as Pieter pointed out, "consorts exclusively engineered, sculpted and trained from birth". Regular baseliner girls, who could easily live the socialite Kim Kardashian life on a fraction of a million ISK. More girls is often better than one, especially when we're talking about being useful for more than sex. You could staff your entire household with nothing but whores of every shape and color imaginable, perfectly molded to shape your needs and desires.

Oh, and... baseliners girls won't scam your ISK and run away like a capsuleer will.

As usual, I see nearly no reason to pay a capsuleer for anything I can get from a baseliner.

EDIT: Please note that I used girls instead of guys as an example because Cynthia is a female. Made more sense to compare by the same gender, but male prostitutes are great too!
Title: Re: Views on Prositution in New Eden
Post by: Morwen Lagann on 23 May 2013, 15:22
One shouldn't treat one's pussy like frozen trout sold bulk at Food-4-Less; it should be fine caviar, elegant and exclusive.

I lol'd, so so hard.

Me too. Great way to put it. :lol:

There was a lot more to the issue last night than implied in the OP alone.

- Yes, Cynthia was, put bluntly, whoring herself out. In Jita local of all places. Beyond the "what the fuck is wrong with you, why the hell are you doing something like that to make money" that comes with a capsuleer whoring themselves out, there's also the matter that it's rather difficult to respect someone who can't respect themselves.
- As Saede pointed out, this is sort of a violation of the EULA (as much as there can be a 'sort of' with these things).
- She was also scamming people in the process. And bragging about it. While this might be allowed by CCP, the context of the scam itself is not. And just because we might find it funny, EULA issues aside, does not mean that our characters will find it funny.

And a +1 to Samira and Katrina.
Title: Re: Views on Prositution in New Eden
Post by: Synthia on 23 May 2013, 15:24
I'm a little confused as to why a Capsuleer would elect to spend the sort of money that could arrange for a small town of consorts exclusively engineered, sculpted and trained from birth to meet their exacting standards on a night with Cynthia Gallente

This. Nothing against Cynthia Gallente the character, as appearance is subjective... but I have a hard time figuring out what makes her worth 500 million ISK as a prostitute. Pieter is right. You could buy out half a planetary city with that kind of money.

It would be more worthwhile to hire your very own harem of, as Pieter pointed out, "consorts exclusively engineered, sculpted and trained from birth". Regular baseliner girls, who could easily live the socialite Kim Kardashian life on a fraction of a million ISK. More girls is often better than one, especially when we're talking about being useful for more than sex. You could staff your entire household with nothing but whores of every shape and color imaginable, perfectly molded to shape your needs and desires.

Oh, and... baseliners girls won't scam your ISK and run away like a capsuleer will.

As usual, I see nearly no reason to pay a capsuleer for anything I can get from a baseliner.

EDIT: Please note that I used girls instead of guys as an example because Cynthia is a female. Made more sense to compare by the same gender, but male prostitutes are great too!

And yet, people called me stupid when Synthia mentioned the Exotic Dancer Farms, and the trade in Exotic Dancer eggs. vOv
Title: Re: Views on Prositution in New Eden
Post by: Katrina Oniseki on 23 May 2013, 15:28
There was a lot more to the issue last night than implied in the OP alone.

- Yes, Cynthia was, put bluntly, whoring herself out. In Jita local of all places. Beyond the "what the fuck is wrong with you, why the hell are you doing something like that to make money" that comes with a capsuleer whoring themselves out, there's also the matter that it's rather difficult to respect someone who can't respect themselves.

I think this is a subjective opinion, assuming you're suggesting that being a prostitute means you don't respect yourself. If you're just saying that she's being unprofessional about being a prostitute, then I suppose I can agree, though that is still subjective.

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- As Saede pointed out, this is sort of a violation of the EULA (as much as there can be a 'sort of' with these things).

Depends on what she is doing.

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- She was also scamming people in the process. And bragging about it. While this might be allowed by CCP, the context of the scam itself is not. And just because we might find it funny, EULA issues aside, does not mean that our characters will find it funny.

As long as she is not saying sexually explicit or offensive things while she is scamming, that's legal according to EULA.
Title: Re: Views on Prositution in New Eden
Post by: Pieter Tuulinen on 23 May 2013, 15:28
I totally didn't, Synthia. Engineered consorts would be a very lucrative market for a certain sort of capsuleer.
Title: Re: Views on Prositution in New Eden
Post by: Katrina Oniseki on 23 May 2013, 15:30
And yet, people called me stupid when Synthia mentioned the Exotic Dancer Farms, and the trade in Exotic Dancer eggs. vOv

Well they're wrong. Nothing wrong with training strippers, or whatever. Breeding sex slaves is something I'm surprised we don't see more of in Amarr RP... but I suppose it's just too unpalatable to be roleplaying somebody who's force breeding and selling rape victims.
Title: Re: Views on Prositution in New Eden
Post by: Samira Kernher on 23 May 2013, 15:39
And yet, people called me stupid when Synthia mentioned the Exotic Dancer Farms, and the trade in Exotic Dancer eggs. vOv

Well they're wrong. Nothing wrong with training strippers, or whatever. Breeding sex slaves is something I'm surprised we don't see more of in Amarr RP... but I suppose it's just too unpalatable to be roleplaying somebody who's force breeding and selling rape victims.

Breeding is done, though it is very hard to justify by the religion and is therefore not well-respected by many Amarr RPers, so it's not going to get much support. It's one area where both liberal and conservative Amarr RPers typically come together on.

Breeding sex slaves on the other hand, there's no reason why that should be common place, let alone public. It's established that an Amarr sleeping with or even having relations with a slave and/or non-Amarr is bad form. While some individual Holders probably secretly do this, if it got discovered it'd be something that would be a major hit on their reputation.

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Involuntary, [Idonis Ardishapur's] mind drifted to the little hiding place he had down in the city, to the lithe and winsome creature he whispered words of passion and affection to during lovemaking. His family and friends would be appalled if they knew of his dark-skinned Starkmanir girl, with her almond eyes and her smile that was coy and bold at the same time.

-Chronicle: Khumaak (http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Khumaak_%28Chronicle%29)
Title: Re: Views on Prositution in New Eden
Post by: Esna Pitoojee on 23 May 2013, 15:40
It has appeared at times, and the people responsible have usually been hounded by the Amarr bloc IC because that is not something you do to a people you are trying to educate and enlighten.
Title: Re: Views on Prositution in New Eden
Post by: Morwen Lagann on 23 May 2013, 15:44
Kat, read the last line of Makkal's post.

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In this thread, we can discuss how our characters and the various New Eden cultures likely view 'the world's oldest profession.'

With the exception of the EULA stuff ("ISK 4 cyb0rz" is something that can get you banned), which is obviously an OOC issue, I was answering for my character. Which is what the question was.


And we've definitely had people dealing in sex slaves before in RP. It got, as expected, a very unfavorable reaction from people despite it being something expected from where that character was coming from.

As for "being unprofessional"... that's the default when you talk in Jita local.

Regarding the scam? Given what was said in the Summit last night, I don't think that you can really make that argument. It was pretty clearly stated that anything would go for the winner - and my complaint with regards to the scam was not really about the context of the scam, but that the scam itself was also the target of people's ire last night, not just what she was doing or offering as part of it.
Title: Re: Views on Prositution in New Eden
Post by: Silas Vitalia on 23 May 2013, 15:51
IC: S. Owns numerous baseliner vice dens.  Good for business, good for blackmailing upstanding subjects in the Kingdom  :twisted:

Regarding the wealthy capsuleers not needing to pay for it comment, we only have to look at all the fabulously wealthy people in our world who by rights should never have to pay for it who get caught and embarrassed constantly.  Often it's not about the money.


Edit: Removed ooc soapbox
Title: Re: Views on Prositution in New Eden
Post by: Synthia on 23 May 2013, 15:55
Synthia would need to have the concept of prostitution explained to her, before she'd have any real opinion.


Probably with diagrams.

/me looks blank
Title: Re: Views on Prositution in New Eden
Post by: Samira Kernher on 23 May 2013, 16:11
It has appeared at times, and the people responsible have usually been hounded by the Amarr bloc IC because that is not something you do to a people you are trying to educate and enlighten.

^^^^^^^^^

I have often said that if you want to convince Samira that slavery is bad, you have to hit on the areas where it goes against Amarr religion, not where it goes against western morals. Torture and beating to punish sin? Perfectly acceptable. Using slaves for personal sexual fulfillment and thus diluting the Chosen Amarr bloodline with Godless heathen blood, and breeding slaves to make them better workers, treating them like cattle instead of lost children, are areas that go against everything she as a conservative believes in.

It certainly happens, as evidenced by the Kameiras and other breeding programs, but unlike other aspects of Amarr slavery it is very hard to justify and rationalize by religion. The only justification that really works is that the Amarr are God's Chosen and are free to use the lesser races as they see fit, and therefore such programs are probably most common in the Kingdom (and maybe Tash-Murkon) where slaves are widely viewed as tools and where the Holders are more enterprising and willing to "experiment" with their slaves to mold them into a superior labor force.
Title: Re: Views on Prositution in New Eden
Post by: Makkal on 23 May 2013, 16:13
Right. This is a conversation about New Eden, its cultures, and various PC's viewpoint.

I have no idea if what Cynthia is doing is against EULA but regardless, I (the player) have no problem with it. People sell sex for money for all sorts of reasons and it doesn't strike me as odd that some of the PCs would. While it makes 'more sense' to buy a harem of baseliners, I am sure capsuleers would also spend ridiculous sums for one night with one of their own.

It has appeared at times, and the people responsible have usually been hounded by the Amarr bloc IC because that is not something you do to a people you are trying to educate and enlighten.
Even for the less spiritually inclined, breeding a group for sex doesn't make a lot of sense. You can simply pick an attractive house slave (or several) and tell them "Make sure X is completely satisfied during her visit here."
Title: Re: Views on Prositution in New Eden
Post by: Creep on 23 May 2013, 16:23
While it makes 'more sense' to buy a harem of baseliners, I am sure capsuleers would also spend ridiculous sums for one night with one of their own.
Exactly my view. Baseliners are a dime a dozen. Nobody is impressed. For the exact same reason that someone would hire a high class escort to accompany them to a function as their date, a wealthy capsuleer (or perhaps just an obscenely wealthy baseliner) would hire a capsuleer as an escort, or for sex. A large chunk of the allure is "I am boning an immortal demi-god and s/he is letting me do this because I am fucking riiiiiich".
The vast majority of capsuleers will of course hire baseliners. A select few will pay top dollar for an attractive capsuleer.

As for EULA, I think I did read somewhere that CCP considers it against the rules. Still they are out there, plying their trade. And while they wont receive any traffic from me (nor will those who offer it for free), I have to say I like the idea of prostitution in EVE — if anything I think it ought to be organized into some sort of ultra-exclusive escort service with a hyper-modern website thing. That would be really cool to see, even if it is just for cardboard cybersex.
Title: Re: Views on Prositution in New Eden
Post by: Samira Kernher on 23 May 2013, 16:26
It has appeared at times, and the people responsible have usually been hounded by the Amarr bloc IC because that is not something you do to a people you are trying to educate and enlighten.
Even for the less spiritually inclined, breeding a group for sex doesn't make a lot of sense. You can simply pick an attractive house slave (or several) and tell them "Make sure X is completely satisfied during her visit here."

Yeah. I can see some trained courtesans. Intimate relations between Holder and slave aren't particularly well-respected, but many Holders even in the greater Empire see their slaves solely as free labor and would probably have no qualms with that. They're just likely to keep it quiet.

What I don't see though is concentrated breeding programs for sex slaves.
Title: Re: Views on Prositution in New Eden
Post by: Saede Riordan on 23 May 2013, 17:47
While it makes 'more sense' to buy a harem of baseliners, I am sure capsuleers would also spend ridiculous sums for one night with one of their own.
Exactly my view. Baseliners are a dime a dozen. Nobody is impressed. For the exact same reason that someone would hire a high class escort to accompany them to a function as their date, a wealthy capsuleer (or perhaps just an obscenely wealthy baseliner) would hire a capsuleer as an escort, or for sex. A large chunk of the allure is "I am boning an immortal demi-god and s/he is letting me do this because I am fucking riiiiiich".
The vast majority of capsuleers will of course hire baseliners. A select few will pay top dollar for an attractive capsuleer.

As for EULA, I think I did read somewhere that CCP considers it against the rules. Still they are out there, plying their trade. And while they wont receive any traffic from me (nor will those who offer it for free), I have to say I like the idea of prostitution in EVE — if anything I think it ought to be organized into some sort of ultra-exclusive escort service with a hyper-modern website thing. That would be really cool to see, even if it is just for cardboard cybersex.

I can agree with this, that would be pretty cool.

Overall, Saede's view's on prostitution basically comes down like this:

Its a profession like any other. When you need work, its work, at the end of the day. As long as its safe, consensual, and not coerced, there's nothing wrong with it. The way it (and sex in general) is treated with negativity and contempt is a symptom of a problem with the culture.
Title: Re: Views on Prositution in New Eden
Post by: Svetlana Scarlet on 23 May 2013, 23:19
As far as the Caldari go, I don't think there is a stigma against prostitution, but I think there is a very large stigma against making it blatant. If you're able to afford them, a high-class courtesan or "mistress" is probably fine (though if you are married and out with them, that is probably a no-no), but you don't want people to see you picking up streetwalkers. The corporations probably operate a great many very clean and very safe brothels for their employees, though, although they are probably labeled in the same way that Japan has its "hostess clubs" and things of that nature, where the fiction is preserved. Of course in the more...disreputable parts of the State selling your body is probably pretty common when you have nothing else left to offer.

As with most things in Caldari society, it's more what it looks like than what it is.
Title: Re: Views on Prositution in New Eden
Post by: Ulphus on 23 May 2013, 23:48
Nothing against Cynthia Gallente the character, as appearance is subjective... but I have a hard time figuring out what makes her worth 500 million ISK as a prostitute. Pieter is right. You could buy out half a planetary city with that kind of money.

But but but... We approve of scammers in Eve, don't we? Especially in Jita local.

If she can sell something for 500M isk that a lot of people think isn't worth that much, good for her.

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She was also scamming people in the process. And bragging about it.

That makes it even better!
Title: Re: Views on Prositution in New Eden
Post by: Creep on 24 May 2013, 00:01
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She was also scamming people in the process. And bragging about it.

That makes it even better!
Seriously. This is shaping up to be a brilliant business strategy. Isn't Cynthia Gallente's club some kind of pirate front/seedy crime lair anyhow?

This kind of reminds me of Istvaan's "Valentine Operatives" and pretending to be a woman irl in order to get the trust of directors (women NEVAR lie! That's SCIENCE!).
Title: Re: Views on Prositution in New Eden
Post by: BloodBird on 24 May 2013, 05:47
One shouldn't treat one's pussy like frozen trout sold bulk at Food-4-Less; it should be fine caviar, elegant and exclusive.

I lol'd, so so hard.

Same.

I believe in the concept of professional pride - if you have a job to do, do it well and respectfully. (Kind of sucks for me to believe this but slip from this standard at times, always sucks to catch yourself doing that, but that's another topic for another time...)

I would imagine even prostitutes can and should hold to this kind of standard - if your basically going to sell your body or parts of it for the other party's pleasure, one would hope you enjoy it as well and keep a specific margin of acceptability that you don't go below. No, there is little to no standard in harking your service like a cheap whore, in full meaning of that term - bad sex can be quite traumatic and scarring, and as a prostitute of either gender you risk that on a daily basis. Least you can do for yourself is ensure you minimize this risk and bad/misleading PR don't help.

If you offer yourself as a cheap whore with no inhibitions, people are more likely to treat you like one and think of you as one. As a player, and my toon as a character, prostitution is not the worst thing ever or terribly a-moral, but it's often a victim of bad quality, in many ways. You should always do what you can to make your job more enjoyable to go to and not something you dread, down that road lies suffering and misery on a daily basis. No thanks.

I'm a little confused as to why a Capsuleer would elect to spend the sort of money that could arrange for a small town of consorts exclusively engineered, sculpted and trained from birth to meet their exacting standards on a night with Cynthia Gallente
This. Nothing against Cynthia Gallente the character, as appearance is subjective... but I have a hard time figuring out what makes her worth 500 million ISK as a prostitute. Pieter is right. You could buy out half a planetary city with that kind of money.

It would be more worthwhile to hire your very own harem of, as Pieter pointed out, "consorts exclusively engineered, sculpted and trained from birth". Regular baseliner girls, who could easily live the socialite Kim Kardashian life on a fraction of a million ISK. More girls is often better than one, especially when we're talking about being useful for more than sex. You could staff your entire household with nothing but whores of every shape and color imaginable, perfectly molded to shape your needs and desires.

Oh, and... baseliners girls won't scam your ISK and run away like a capsuleer will.

As usual, I see nearly no reason to pay a capsuleer for anything I can get from a baseliner.

EDIT: Please note that I used girls instead of guys as an example because Cynthia is a female. Made more sense to compare by the same gender, but male prostitutes are great too!

And ofc this. From an IC pow capsuleer whores are hilarious. 500 million for one girl one time? I could buy and PIMP FIT 5 BC's with that or fit 3-4 BS's in a very acceptable T2 manner, ALL THE WHILE spend maybe 10 million (being very generous here) to have my own sex-paradise set up anywhere I want.

Or several. One for each station I've EVER been on.
Title: Re: Views on Prositution in New Eden
Post by: Natalcya Katla on 24 May 2013, 08:14
While she might sneer at it for being "primitive" behavior, Katla is basically fine with prostitution as long as it happens within the frames of the law (whatever the law may be).

While she is intellectually aware of prostitution as a social phenomenon, Ruby's frame of thinking would probably cause her to imagine an over-romanticized image of high-class escorts as being the norm of the human profession. "Common" prostitutes would fall squarely into her cognitive schema of "not really people", along with janitors, sailors, dockhands, etc. The idea of having sex with one would seem somewhat gross to her. She'd see it as the equivalent of having sex with a drone (which probably happens in EVE all the time, come to think of it). And anyone claiming that such prostitutes are in fact real people would come off as extremely creepy to her, or at best very, very lonely.
Title: Re: Views on Prositution in New Eden
Post by: Nicoletta Mithra on 24 May 2013, 14:22
There's a market for capsuleer prostitution. People do pay apparently hilarious sums of ISK for a night with a capsuleer, regardless of their ability to buy a little sex-paradise for 10 million ISK. It is, thus a fact and a lucrative business for those getting the ISKies. vOv

Other than acknowledging the fact, Nico would be little shaken to see a Gallentean hire him- or herself out like that. Gallenteans do that. Of course it's undignified and unrefined, but that's Gallenteans for you. Other than that, what happens behind closed doors between consenting adults is a matter between the two, whether exchange of bodily fluids or money is involved or not. What happens between closed doors is meant to stay behind closed doors, of course.

I agree with Makkal wholeheartedly when she says that she sees Amarr not as being anti-sex, but as being anti-public display of sex.

Slaves aren't there to fulfill the bodily desires of their holders or betters. Actually, it's the other way around: The holders are there for the slave, their spiritual enlightenment. Holders who invert this relationship fail in their duty towards God. Breeding sex slaves is therefore anathema.

The argument going with 'avoid mixing blood with inferior races' isn't a theologically valid standpoint, if you believe Nico, by the way. It's a standpoint of ignorance putting blood over ethics, morals and dedication to God and something dangerously close to the heresy Sabikism. God isn't interested in race or blood, but what is in the people's hearts and minds and their actions.
Title: Re: Views on Prositution in New Eden
Post by: Shintoko Akahoshi on 24 May 2013, 15:11
Shin's view: More power to CG. Paying for sex isn't Shin's thing, but she's not about to condemn what other people do in order to get off.
Title: Re: Views on Prositution in New Eden
Post by: Ché Biko on 24 May 2013, 15:34
Isn't Cynthia Gallente's club some kind of pirate front/seedy crime lair anyhow?
Uhm...I'd say it's a bit more complicated than that, but...I doubt Ché sees the whole picture.

Ché's views: Currently he thinks it should be legal and considers it just another job for the most part. He does think human trafficking is problematic, and doesn't deny that prostitution has some very dark corners, but if someone regards it as his/her dreamjob, it's fine.
He used their services on a 3 occasions, but neither of those times did he really get out of it what he desired, and it made him wonder if there are any prostitutes that actually like their job.
Title: Re: Views on Prositution in New Eden
Post by: Aria Jenneth on 25 May 2013, 21:51
Aria doesn't concern herself with what happens behind closed doors between consenting adults, but regards it as a private and very nearly sacred matter. She finds any public recognition that there is such a thing as sex offputting, commercialization of same vulgar in the extreme. She's practical enough to regard prostitution as inevitable, but also conservative enough to want it kept well out of sight.

Yun Hee has similar notions (they're cultural), but is less well-traveled and therefore even less tolerant of public displays.
Title: Re: Views on Prositution in New Eden
Post by: Lyn Farel on 26 May 2013, 03:09
Lyn will usually take that sort of discussion in a scientific/pragmatic way by referring to intercourse and reproduction as a biological concept, but as soon as someone will emphasize on the act in itself, her face will probably turn bright red and she will quickly turn away awkwardly.

Otherwise, it is mostly an alien concept to her that she unconsciously prefers not to even take into consideration.
Title: Re: Views on Prositution in New Eden
Post by: Ciarente on 29 May 2013, 07:03
Where Cia's from, sex workers are trained and licensed professionals.  She doesn't particularly want to be one, but she doesn't particularly want to be a doctor, either: she doesn't think there's anything wrong with people who do choose those jobs. 
Title: Re: Views on Prositution in New Eden
Post by: Laria Raven on 29 May 2013, 07:33
From a general perspective,

1) Prostitution certainly exists in New Eden.
2) There could well be a market for capusleer prostitution. TBL suggests that many capsuleers don't mix with non-capsuleers much - therefore, if they want to buy sex, they're going to have to get it from another capsuleer.
3) It is uncouth to offer it in the middle of Jita. Though "Whatever you give me, I will double it" does take on a new slant...

I really don't think I should give Laria's viewpoint on it, though. Might be a bit too revealing. ;)
Title: Re: Views on Prositution in New Eden
Post by: Lasairiona on 30 May 2013, 05:28
Lasa is as she always is. Live and let live. Don't think about it, don't over analyze it. Hate that people pick apart the RP of a character though....