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Title: Pre-EA Command & Conquer = God.
Post by: Benjamin Shepherd on 21 Aug 2010, 13:18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-H4hwmM1qk&fmt=18

That's all I have to say.
Title: Re: Command & Conquer = God.
Post by: Koronakesh on 21 Aug 2010, 13:37
Incorrect. CnC the genre lost such status long ago.

Frank Klepacki (http://www.frankklepacki.com/), however, is God incarnate.
Title: Re: Command & Conquer = God.
Post by: Mizhara on 21 Aug 2010, 13:59
Indeed. CnC lost that status a while ago, and with the existence of C&C4 it is quite officially a raped corpse in an alley, left for the dogs to screw and then eat.
Title: Re: Command & Conquer = God.
Post by: Lillith Blackheart on 21 Aug 2010, 14:02
Post-EA Buyout Westwood has been garbage.

Pre-EA Buyout Westwood was the best in the business. To this day Dune2k and C&C1 are the only RTS games I personally feel are worth a damn.
Title: Re: Command & Conquer = God.
Post by: Graanvlokkie on 21 Aug 2010, 14:36
I remember when anything with the "Westwood" title on the box meant days without sleep.

Red Alert, the first one, was the last C&C game that I played though.
Title: Re: Command & Conquer = God.
Post by: Benjamin Shepherd on 21 Aug 2010, 14:43
I mean pre-EA, guys.   :oops:

The only EA title that was alright was Red Alert 2, actually that was fun. Since then, anything sucked (Generals had some cool multiplayer.)
Title: Re: Command & Conquer = God.
Post by: Benjamin Shepherd on 21 Aug 2010, 14:58
Post-EA Buyout Westwood has been garbage.

Pre-EA Buyout Westwood was the best in the business. To this day Dune2k and C&C1 are the only RTS games I personally feel are worth a damn.

Seems like someone has a case of 90s nostalgia.

You can't forget games from the 2000s: Supreme Commander, Company of Heroes.
Title: Re: Pre-EA Command & Conquer = God.
Post by: Saede Riordan on 21 Aug 2010, 15:06
I rather liked C&C3, not the gameplay, but the story was good, and at its heart, it still was a C&C game.

as for C&C4....we don't talk about it....
Title: Re: Pre-EA Command & Conquer = God.
Post by: Alexander Rykis on 21 Aug 2010, 15:14
I loved all of them up to Tiberian Sun... Tiberian Sun wasn't horrible, but it wasn't RA1 by any stretch.

RA3, however, was an insult. They should let the franchise die and let us remember it how it was.
Title: Re: Command & Conquer = God.
Post by: Z.Sinraali on 21 Aug 2010, 16:17
....Supreme Commander....

If you're gonna bring up SupCom, you have to bring up Total Annihilation too. It's like, a law, man.

And since this started out as a game music thread:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WulGs5aDCb4
Title: Re: Command & Conquer = God.
Post by: scagga on 21 Aug 2010, 16:34
....Supreme Commander....

If you're gonna bring up SupCom, you have to bring up Total Annihilation too. It's like, a law, man.

And since this started out as a game music thread:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WulGs5aDCb4

Indeed, which in fact was superior in my view, in terms of playability.

With respect to the C&C series, I would agree that the C&C1->RA2, incl. Generals was quite nicely playable. That which followed was a paltry homeopathic dose of the awesomeness that had otherwise typified their prestigious line of games.
Title: Re: Command & Conquer = God.
Post by: Lillith Blackheart on 21 Aug 2010, 16:35
Post-EA Buyout Westwood has been garbage.

Pre-EA Buyout Westwood was the best in the business. To this day Dune2k and C&C1 are the only RTS games I personally feel are worth a damn.

Seems like someone has a case of 90s nostalgia.

You can't forget games from the 2000s: Supreme Commander, Company of Heroes.

I didn't forget them, I just didn't like them.
Title: Re: Pre-EA Command & Conquer = God.
Post by: Saede Riordan on 21 Aug 2010, 16:41
Company of Heroes has replaced command and conquer as the RTS with the keys to my heart, command and conquer and I had a beautiful relationship, but I have left it for more interesting and better balanced games with gameplay beyond sending blobs of units at an enemy and trying to survive the next superweapon.
Title: Re: Pre-EA Command & Conquer = God.
Post by: Mizhara on 21 Aug 2010, 16:51
Personally, I'm hungering for more fun RTS games without all the micromanagement. Kind of like C&C was known for. Kind of like Starcraft 2 with less micro and more macro. That'd be awesome. Hrm... think I might reinstall RA3 though. I did find that quite enjoyable, even though it wasn't anywhere near the previous iterations of the game.
Title: Re: Pre-EA Command & Conquer = God.
Post by: Saede Riordan on 21 Aug 2010, 16:55
Personally, I'm hungering for more fun RTS games without all the micromanagement. Kind of like C&C was known for. Kind of like Starcraft 2 with less micro and more macro. That'd be awesome. Hrm... think I might reinstall RA3 though. I did find that quite enjoyable, even though it wasn't anywhere near the previous iterations of the game.

That's pretty much Supcom, its super macroey, you really don't micro anything cause most stuff dies in one or two hits
Title: Re: Pre-EA Command & Conquer = God.
Post by: Havvie on 21 Aug 2010, 19:49
Eh, was in the C&C 4 Beta. Two other guys and I proved just how a three man team could steamroll everything in its path with the right setup. Mostly one guy would spam ground units, another air and I'd spam Spanners (flying healing units). Though one night we all got bored and spammed Strikers, words do not describe how broken those unit were in beta.

Only C&C I still play these days is a modded C&C 3 (let's face it, vanilla C&C 3 is boring)
Title: Re: Pre-EA Command & Conquer = God.
Post by: Borza on 23 Aug 2010, 11:11
You linked the wrong piece of music  :bear:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb-gI_pFog0
Title: Re: Pre-EA Command & Conquer = God.
Post by: Benjamin Shepherd on 23 Aug 2010, 11:53
You linked the wrong piece of music  :bear:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb-gI_pFog0

Actually, you linked the wrong piece of music  :bear:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RJQPlPE2yQ&fmt=18
Title: Re: Pre-EA Command & Conquer = God.
Post by: scagga on 23 Aug 2010, 16:56
You linked the wrong piece of music  :bear:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb-gI_pFog0

Actually, you linked the wrong piece of music  :bear:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RJQPlPE2yQ&fmt=18

Actually, you linked the wrong piece of music... :twisted:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rg9FkkoG4hs
Title: Re: Pre-EA Command & Conquer = God.
Post by: BloodBird on 24 Aug 2010, 23:39
Personally, I'm hungering for more fun RTS games without all the micromanagement. Kind of like C&C was known for. Kind of like Starcraft 2 with less micro and more macro. That'd be awesome. Hrm... think I might reinstall RA3 though. I did find that quite enjoyable, even though it wasn't anywhere near the previous iterations of the game.

That's pretty much Supcom, its super macroey, you really don't micro anything cause most stuff dies in one or two hits

That was the whole POINT of SUPCOM - no 'make 5 scouts send them to die' 'tactical' shit - you sent a first attack wave of planes armed with firebombs to find the enemy base - usually by getting gunned down somewhere, wrecks, mark the spot. Then it was a matter of sending wave after wave of gun-toothing kill-bots at the enemy until they stopped shooting back.

Had a wonderful 'absolute-defence' option too, turtle up behind walslo f gun turrets and make a billion nukes silos and long-range atillery until you pulverized the enemy base - from your own.

SUPCOM is the definitive poster-child for macro gaming.
Title: Re: Pre-EA Command & Conquer = God.
Post by: Jonathan Morrison on 27 Aug 2010, 04:13
The only real old school game I still play is Age of Empires 2. Still one of the best RTS ever made and there is a StarWars mod/addon that was made for it that raised the awesome bar to 12.
Title: Re: Pre-EA Command & Conquer = God.
Post by: Milo Caman on 27 Aug 2010, 04:58
Homeworld 2 has some seriously epic Multiplayer. Pity the campaign is so lacklustre in comparison to 1 >.>
Title: Re: Pre-EA Command & Conquer = God.
Post by: BloodBird on 27 Aug 2010, 13:46
Homeworld 2 has some seriously epic Multiplayer. Pity the campaign is so lacklustre in comparison to 1 >.>

The needed 1.11 update don't want ot DL or work on Vista it looks like, ergo a DVD-cover containing epic glory is currently rotting on my shelf. Without that update I can't play online (as 99% of all others has it and non-updated clients can't play with updated ones) and I sure as hell can't use mods like FX or the awesome faction mods that added Bentusi, Taidanii Imperials, Progenitors and others, including my favorite, Kadeshi. I *loved* that mod. But, unless anyone know a way to make it work on Vista I'll keep being denied that pleasure.
Title: Re: Pre-EA Command & Conquer = God.
Post by: Saede Riordan on 27 Aug 2010, 14:35
set up a duel boot with XP, just grab an old copy of XP, its not hard to set up duel boot, just read a couple guides, print them out, and follow the instructions.
Title: Re: Pre-EA Command & Conquer = God.
Post by: BloodBird on 27 Aug 2010, 16:12
set up a duel boot with XP, you can find torrents for XP pretty easily, and its not hard to set up duel boot, just read a couple guides, print them out, and follow the instructions.

I have absolutely NO idea what you are talking about. Thanks for the hint anyhow.

As for old, epic games, we got songs like this from Age Of Wonders:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjGJrLsaFgc&feature=related

I think it a pity I played this game so little with other people, but if you only have that many people around interested, that's what you get. Still one of the most beautiful fantasy TBS games I've ever seen. This game has a charm that still keep me beholden to it. The day my aging copy dies, I will be a very, very sad man.
Title: Re: Pre-EA Command & Conquer = God.
Post by: Mizhara on 27 Aug 2010, 16:25
Clearly she speaks of dueling eachother by throwing boots.

... seriously, people, the word is dual! DUAL boot. Dualwielding. Duality of man. Dual dildowielding dominatrixes on a death-defying rampage of delightful and devilish deviance! DUAL!
/me goes off on a five page rant about how people that are raised with the language fails the hardest at it.

Now, as for games, I'm actually playing Red Alert 3 these days. Finished the main campaign once more, and I have to say I'd forgotten how awesome the cheesy and corny acting in the cutscenes were. I mean... The Premier? Just pure awesome, no matter how you twist and turn it. That guy's got the most emotive face in the business.

"I will go the one place capitalism hasn't struck with it's taint! SPACE!"

I swear, I almost fell flat on my ass laughing at how he said that.
Title: Re: Pre-EA Command & Conquer = God.
Post by: Saede Riordan on 27 Aug 2010, 16:30
Clearly she speaks of dueling eachother by throwing boots.

... seriously, people, the word is dual! DUAL boot. Dualwielding. Duality of man. Dual dildowielding dominatrixes on a death-defying rampage of delightful and devilish deviance! DUAL!
/me goes off on a five page rant about how people that are raised with the language fails the hardest at it.


>_>

here, allow me to hold your face under the putrescent waters of knowledge:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi_boot
Title: Re: Pre-EA Command & Conquer = God.
Post by: Mizhara on 27 Aug 2010, 16:34
Quote from: That Wiki
The term dual-booting refers to the common configuration of exactly two operating systems. Multi-booting requires a program called a boot loader.

My emphasis. Now where's those blink tags at?
Title: Re: Pre-EA Command & Conquer = God.
Post by: Lillith Blackheart on 27 Aug 2010, 20:37
/me goes off on a five page rant about how people that are raised with the language fails the hardest at it.

There is irony here, an irony that always seems to rear its ugly head whenever someone goes grammar/spelling nazi.

Am I the only one who saw it? Does anyone else see it?
Title: Re: Pre-EA Command & Conquer = God.
Post by: Mizhara on 27 Aug 2010, 22:21
I'm allowed to fail. I don't even have more than the most basic education in the language and had to pick it all up on my own. Native speakers don't have that excuse.
Title: Re: Pre-EA Command & Conquer = God.
Post by: Saede Riordan on 27 Aug 2010, 22:35
I've been sick, my brain isn't working right. Its like being high, only it sucks.