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Hey there! New poster here on these forums. I'd love to get some input from some more experienced EVE-RolePlayers on how to avoid creating what would be considered a stereotypical Caldari Deteis Female.I would like to keep a flavor of my bloodline and race, but with a more worldly view. Less restrictive.
So far, all I have is that Katrina was born on Onitseru. Identified early in her youth as a potential for capsule training (I assume the militaristic and highly regimented State would test for these things early). I know what I want from EVE, and thus, I know what she wants. She wants to see it all, experience it all. She's curious, determined, and ambitious. She isn't at all restricted by the State anymore, not in thought or future, now that she has found herself freed and protected by the walls of her Capsule.
Is this too much of a Mary Sue? How could I improve it?
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Hey there! New poster here on these forums. I'd love to get some input from some more experienced EVE-RolePlayers on how to avoid creating what would be considered a stereotypical Caldari Deteis Female.I would like to keep a flavor of my bloodline and race, but with a more worldly view. Less restrictive.
So far, all I have is that Katrina was born on Onitseru. Identified early in her youth as a potential for capsule training (I assume the militaristic and highly regimented State would test for these things early). I know what I want from EVE, and thus, I know what she wants. She wants to see it all, experience it all. She's curious, determined, and ambitious. She isn't at all restricted by the State anymore, not in thought or future, now that she has found herself freed and protected by the walls of her Capsule.
Is this too much of a Mary Sue? How could I improve it?
Created a new account. This is me!
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That's, like, not Mary Sue at all.
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Mary Sue is so Mary Sue (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MarySue).
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No? Hmm... I might have had the wrong definition in my head about a Mary Sue. I just didn't want to be 'another typical Caldari'.
Well that's good to hear. I suppose I just need to flesh out the details then. I was only worried that maybe her background may have been overused. I'm new to the scene here, and don't really know what is common or uncommon.
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I'm new to the scene here, and don't really know what is common or uncommon.
Common? Why, space vampire lesbians, of course.
Hello, "normal" person. :) Which megacorp world did Katrina grow up in?
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Caldari are supposed to be typical. Don't you know what happens to the atypical ones?
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Hello, "normal" person. :) Which megacorp world did Katrina grow up in?
Megacorp world? Well her education was sponsored by Hyasyoda Corporation, who promptly had her groomed for entrance into [SWA] as soon as they realized her latent Capsuleer potential.
Caldari are supposed to be typical. Don't you know what happens to the atypical ones?
I assume 'normal folk' get beaten down and exiled. Capsuleers on the other hand... wouldn't be bound by the same restrictions such as 'corporate paycheck' and 'a house to live in'. Katrina like the rest if her kind is ultra-rich, and has become so by her own means, not by the paychecks of her corporate sponsor.
My imagination of how she got to where she is tells me that she worked just as hard as anyone else would have to to earn her Capsule. Just because she was sponsored by her parent corporation and 'forced' into the immense luck and honor of being a Capsuleer.. doesn't mean she didn't have to work for it. In her own mind, she's earned the power and freedom she has now, and she's paid a lot of it back for the greater good of the State.
(Meaning, she's got her high standings with CONCORD, CEP, and CalNavy.... *carebear*)
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sponsored by Hyasyoda Corporation
*squeals with excitement*
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sponsored by Hyasyoda Corporation
*squeals with excitement*
:o
What?!
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Capsuleers are, in one sense, free from obligations once they have their pod, so there's no technical need to remain loyal to a corporation, nation, planet, etc. So, to refer back to the original question, no, I wouldn't consider that the quality of a Sue.
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HANDS OFF JOHN! D:<
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HANDS OFF JOHN! D:<
What is this madness?! I am confused. :eek:
I'm currently idling in-game at the moment, if anyone would like to take this conversation up in a real-time setting.
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HANDS OFF JOHN! D:<
What is this madness?! I am confused. :eek:
I'm currently idling in-game at the moment, if anyone would like to take this conversation up in a real-time setting.
A suitable metaphor is fresh blood in a sea tank full of sharks.
Question and food for thought for you.
The question is, how familiar would you rate yourself with EVE's Prime Fiction? New player, vaguely aware, etc. Knowing where you stand precisely may help.
The food for thought is stereotypes and the Caldari way. A bad stereotype, I think for a Caldari, would be designing her to make her overtly unique. The Caldari share a lot with traditional eastern Asian societies in the sense of cultural uniformity. The better one fit's into the public machine, the better a citizen one is. This is not necessarily make the person bland though - Gallenteans are flamboyant and public, Caldari are stoic and private.
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A suitable metaphor is fresh blood in a sea tank full of sharks.
Question and food for thought for you.
The question is, how familiar would you rate yourself with EVE's Prime Fiction? New player, vaguely aware, etc. Knowing where you stand precisely may help.
The food for thought is stereotypes and the Caldari way. A bad stereotype, I think for a Caldari, would be designing her to make her overtly unique. The Caldari share a lot with traditional eastern Asian societies in the sense of cultural uniformity. The better one fit's into the public machine, the better a citizen one is. This is not necessarily make the person bland though - Gallenteans are flamboyant and public, Caldari are stoic and private.
I've read most of the official chrons, and some of the short stories. I haven't read the novels. I've done a bit of digging into Caldari culture, and still look for more.
That's kinda what I was getting at though, for what you said. I want to avoid stereotypes, while not going too far and making it scream "HEY LOOK IM TOTALLY NOT YOUR TYPICAL CALDARI, LOOK AT ME IM SO SPECIAL AND UNIQUE LOL". I'm just trying to strike a balance.
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HANDS OFF JOHN! D:<
What is this madness?! I am confused. :eek:
I'm currently idling in-game at the moment, if anyone would like to take this conversation up in a real-time setting.
I think Hyasyoda - aligned Caldari may be fairly uncommon at the moment, which is why people are excited
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A suitable metaphor is fresh blood in a sea tank full of sharks.
Question and food for thought for you.
The question is, how familiar would you rate yourself with EVE's Prime Fiction? New player, vaguely aware, etc. Knowing where you stand precisely may help.
The food for thought is stereotypes and the Caldari way. A bad stereotype, I think for a Caldari, would be designing her to make her overtly unique. The Caldari share a lot with traditional eastern Asian societies in the sense of cultural uniformity. The better one fit's into the public machine, the better a citizen one is. This is not necessarily make the person bland though - Gallenteans are flamboyant and public, Caldari are stoic and private.
I've read most of the official chrons, and some of the short stories. I haven't read the novels. I've done a bit of digging into Caldari culture, and still look for more.
That's kinda what I was getting at though, for what you said. I want to avoid stereotypes, while not going too far and making it scream "HEY LOOK IM TOTALLY NOT YOUR TYPICAL CALDARI, LOOK AT ME IM SO SPECIAL AND UNIQUE LOL". I'm just trying to strike a balance.
You'll have better luck speaking with the more involved Caldari people (John Revenent [Ishukone], Dex Nederland [Lai Dai], others whom I am missing), for specific branches of Caldari culture and the divides each Megacorp makes. I'm not wholly up to speed on what they've made, outside of some public things like the unique Caldari language, etc. I live in Sansha land.
But, to offer more for you. It is entirely probable that your Caldari character, upon achieving a full Capsuleer license, would be eagerly exploiting her newfound freedom. Much as I hate to acknowledge it, when a person becomes a Capsuleer there is virtually less than a handful of laws that can restrict them - and even these can be outright ignored with impunity. It might be something of a wall banger (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/DarthWiki/WallBanger) for a traditional(?) Caldari to suddenly go AWOL for her personal desires - but that option is entirely there. A bird leaving the nest to see the forest before coming home - an approach one could take.
Worth considering is the nature of her contract/schooling purpose for her parent corporation. She may, for instance, be involved in Capsuleer-specific contractual work for security or mining. This can be represented in space through Agent missioning for the parent corporation (provided it is an in-game entity). So long as the contracts are fulfilled, what other business she has the parent corporation cannot truly interfere with.
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It just made so much more sense to me to hail from that Corporation. Hyasyoda is extremely traditionalist and all about fitting in. Seems to me that a girl growing up in that kind of environment from day one (with no 'family' beyond the company itself) swings one of two ways. She either becomes exactly what they pressure you to be, and does indeed fit in and succeed; or she quietly rebels against tradition and becomes something of a maverick. I'm discounting the more negative possibilities like.. simply becoming a dissenter or dishonorably forced into exile.
So playing a character with that background leaves me room to be either traditionalist or a little too deviant in any given situation. It seems flexible.
It's just an idea I have.
Also, my standings among the range of Big Eight are highest with Hyasyoda thanks to some random storyline mission I pulled.
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Worth considering is the nature of her contract/schooling purpose for her parent corporation. She may, for instance, be involved in Capsuleer-specific contractual work for security or mining. This can be represented in space through Agent missioning for the parent corporation (provided it is an in-game entity). So long as the contracts are fulfilled, what other business she has the parent corporation cannot truly interfere with.
Considering the wealth of service she's provided directly to the Caldari Navy and the multiple defense sorties she's flown with in defense of Caldari space from the Nation's Incursions, that's a lot of 'good for the State'. Even so, I should fix my standings with Hyasyoda itself in-game. CPF is fine though, sitting at #7 on my list.... after FedNavy and RepFleet. Okay, fine, I'll fix them both.
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HANDS OFF JOHN! D:<
What is this madness?! I am confused. :eek:
I'm currently idling in-game at the moment, if anyone would like to take this conversation up in a real-time setting.
The Caldari RPers are falling over themselves to see who gets to claim you for themselves and put you to work in the spice mines of Malkalen, or whatever.
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Agreed!
Have I mentioned how beatutiful Khanid is this time of year? You know, we do a lot of trading with the State...
:D
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Agreed!
Have I mentioned how beatutiful Khanid is this time of year? You know, we do a lot of trading with the State...
:D
Trying to woo me into slavery, are ya? ;)
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The Caldari RPers are falling over themselves to see who gets to claim you for themselves and put you to work in the spice mines of Malkalen, or whatever.
Shhhhhh... I thought you Intaki were my friends, saying such lies will get you working in the spi... err nevermind.
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Well, it's a dirty job, but somebody's gotta slave it.
The spice must flow.
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Agreed!
Have I mentioned how beatutiful Khanid is this time of year? You know, we do a lot of trading with the State...
:D
Trying to woo me into slavery, are ya? ;)
You say that as if it's a bad thing... 8)
It's true though that the State and the Kingdom enjoy good trade relations.
1. Take an Amarr ship
2. Paint it black and strap rockets on it.
3. ...
4. PROFIT!
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You say that as if it's a bad thing... 8)
It's true though that the State and the Kingdom enjoy good trade relations.
1. Take an Amarr ship
2. Paint it black and strap rockets on it.
3. ...
4. PROFIT!
1. Take an Amarr
2. Paint it black and strap rockets on it.
3. ...
4. PROFIT!
The first thing that popped into my mind.
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I think Hyasyoda - aligned Caldari may be fairly uncommon at the moment, which is why people are excited
Just wait until someone from Wiyrkomi pops up. Missiles will be fired.
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I think Hyasyoda - aligned Caldari may be fairly uncommon at the moment, which is why people are excited
Just wait until someone from Wiyrkomi pops up. Missiles will be fired.
Confirming an alt is cooking on that now.
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Answering the topic title directly, I think the best way to pull a realistic/natural character of is basing it on what the universe would create, and now what you would like to create. For example, some of us like to dress our characters up in all sorts of gear. Fair enough. But for Seriphyn, a former corporal in the Federation Marines, who is used to gearing up in all sorts of complicated equipment, he keeps it very simple when off-duty, resigned to wearing the current Gallente options of t-shirts, casual leather trousers and trainers. This trend is common with service people IRL.
Fully embrace the world and fiction I say :3
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Some food for thought :
Find little and interesting Eve Prime Fiction parts of secondary points here and there. Collect them.
Bind them to one or 2 RP archetypes (personnal example : Lyn is a scholar archetype, bookworm oriented). Can't find back Hamish link to RP archetypes and character building :/
Find some interesting/funny/uncommon little details that will add depth and originality to the character (stupid example : Character sleepwalks at night / personnal example : Lyn has a genetical chronic blood disease). Add them to the sauce.
Focus on the skills of your character. Depending on what you have picked on the above points, some might get naturally highlighted or well suited to underline them.
Focus on some key words for the personality of the character (examples : strong-willed / wicked / facetious / loyal / bitter / blasé / etc).
Add that to the sauce again.
Pick up flaws (with dumb and not subtle at all examples) :
- Ironic : a thief unable to stop himself from boasting about his deeds.
- Drama : a paladin so convinced of his own righteousness that he mechanically thinks that everything else is wrong and has to burn, falling lower everyday.
- Ignorant : an amarr that is unable to concieve egality, because his culture and education revolves around something opposed.
- Function : a technician not very good at his job.
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I think Hyasyoda - aligned Caldari may be fairly uncommon at the moment, which is why people are excited
Just wait until someone from Wiyrkomi pops up. Missiles will be fired.
A Wiyrkomi character, especially a well thought out one, could be very, very interesting. They could be patriot, anti-new meritocracy very easily. "I like the family choosing who leads us, it keeps things simple."
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A Wiyrkomi character, especially a well thought out one, could be very, very interesting. They could be patriot, anti-new meritocracy very easily. "I like the family choosing who leads us, it keeps things simple."
They could also very easily be part of a movement inside the corp that loves the new direction of The State is taking, one that is seizing control over the boardroom. The Black Rise expansion looks on the surface to have revitalized their impact on the economy.
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I think Hyasyoda - aligned Caldari may be fairly uncommon at the moment, which is why people are excited
They are part of the Liberal Bloc so to speak, but I've always contended that is because they are so exposed in foreign markets, they have to bend over backwards not to upset the other three empires. So even if they despised the Gallente, Minmater, or even Amarr in private, it would be economic ruin for them if they were to face sanctions for engaging in economic warfare (like the Practicals), much less support military actions (like the Patriots).
So I think there is much more leeway for a Hyasoda character's ideology than one from Ishukone. You would assume the Hyasoda board would be strongly anti-Heth due to their description as being an old and conservative corp, but you never know what happens behind the scenes, far from the public eye.
Even so, as the character this thread pertains to already stated, she has shed those shackles when she became a pod pilot so there's a clean slate to be filled, one without a lot of the preconceptions we are used to with Caldari RP.