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EVE-Online RP Discussion and Resources => CCP Public Library => Topic started by: Silver Night on 03 Dec 2012, 14:46
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CCP seems to have updated with quite a few new items in preparation for the release of Retribution: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Fiction_Portal_credits (http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Fiction_Portal_credits)
Discuss here, or feel free to create discussions of specific new items and I will link them in the op here.
Demographics of the Caldari State (http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=3838.0)
Vuld Haupt (http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=3841.0)
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I've been reading some of these in between things at work, and they are p. cool!
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Looking forward to read it thru more, looks nice so far
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The Amarr one was awesome, especially for cultural relativism (also related, the Amarrian Modern Period article is pretty cool, especially for how the Empire has radically changed after Vak'Atioth and under Heideran, to the point of repeatedly being called an "empire of peace").
Will read the others as soon as I can.
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Slightly dissapointed at the relative lack of Minmatar based information (again :l ) but good stuff overall. The article on the Sebeistor spiritual leader was particularly interesting, especially the bit about his (and by extension some Sebeistor's) attitude to cloning.
Yay :3
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I like the ambigious nature of large elements of this new stuff, fitting in with the nature of EVE. So much to talk about, really...guess we got a lot of info to go through as Backstage!
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I like the ambigious nature of large elements of this new stuff, fitting in with the nature of EVE. So much to talk about, really...guess we got a lot of info to go through as Backstage!
Yeah, that's why I'm suggesting separate discussions for some chunks of it (There was a lot of Gallente stuff, a lot of Amarr stuff, etc).
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my jaw dropped 3 stores down.....finally a full description of gallente democracy and government mechanics!!!!
If i ever go to fanfest, i'll give a box of 3 premium chilean wines to the author of that article (ccp abraxas in this case?)
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I'm still dipping into this but it looks like the (partial?) fruits of Abraxas' lore project, even including information about Amarrian wheat that was mentioned in last year's EON article on that project. I'm torn between fangirl "Squeee!!!!" and bittervet "Meh, it's EVE". :) There's some excellent stuff in there. I would have loved this a year ago. *rueful*
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The True Power article was very good. I am however leery at the non-chalant PF dump about Sansha's Kuvakei's brain scan being used to direct the True Slaves. That needs some further explanation/removal, as it is it points into several different directions.
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CCP seems to have updated with quite a few new items in preparation for the release of Retribution: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Fiction_Portal_credits (http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Fiction_Portal_credits)
Discuss here, or feel free to create discussions of specific new items and I will link them in the op here.
Demographics of the Caldari State (http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=3838.0)
Vuld Haupt (http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=3841.0)
And just like that, I have a huge load of stuff to read.
Thanks for pointing this out. I am sure I would not have spotted it if it was not brough to my attention, and as a RP'er I want to be as informed on this as I can. ESPECIALLY is it's the kind of things my toon(s) should know about.
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Upon reading more it appears none of the four major nations in Eve are actually nations as we might consider, even if the terminology is used for sake of ease. The Fed was never founded as a nation to begin with because it saw itself as something to transcend them, so it's a "community" of democratic nations under a central economic/military hegemon. The Amarr Empire is five kingdoms that are a product of one civilization's outward expansion. The Caldari State is no more a state than it is a band of eight rebellious megacorporations. Not sure about Minmatar. Concord refers to them as nations because of bureaucracy.
I like it. Gives each its own unique flavour, not earth style nations in space
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One of the things I love about these new releases are the increadible debts they go to in most cases - I'm perhaps half-way done reading about the Fed so far, Amarr Empire next, but here's an example;
Gallente-Caldari war. Great details about it's beginning, causes, continuation and eventual end. I especially loved it that all the conclusions I had made based on the available PF so far was proven correct - I had an argument on these very forums once about the supposed 'genocide' of the Caldari - claiming that it wasn't one on an OOC level and hoping more players would agree on this because it seemed few bothered to argue it IC, supposedly just assuming that it was intented to be one.
And here I was proven absolutely correct, on pretty much every point. At some time there is likely going to be a tread about the Fed's history and everything else related to it now available to us as players. I'll save any arguing or conversing about this for then.
Besides, there is so much more to read about...
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CCP seems to have updated with quite a few new items in preparation for the release of Retribution: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Fiction_Portal_credits (http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Fiction_Portal_credits)
Discuss here, or feel free to create discussions of specific new items and I will link them in the op here.
Demographics of the Caldari State (http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=3838.0)
Vuld Haupt (http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=3841.0)
Yeep they are really, really great.... still reading tru them.. cant wait. So far a big Huge to the immersion team and abraxes.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Fiction_Portal_credits
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Yeep they are really, really great.... still reading tru them.. cant wait. So far a big Huge to the immersion team and abraxes.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Fiction_Portal_credits
THIS^
I don't know if anyone of the people who contributed to this will ever read this, but thanks; this is perhaps the greatest addition to the PF universe I've seen in one-go, thank you so much - you have rocked my world for the last few days reading this, and it WILL help on my (and likely many more people's) RP for years to come. :cube:
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Gallente-Caldari war. Great details about it's beginning, causes, continuation and eventual end. I especially loved it that all the conclusions I had made based on the available PF so far was proven correct - I had an argument on these very forums once about the supposed 'genocide' of the Caldari - claiming that it wasn't one on an OOC level and hoping more players would agree on this because it seemed few bothered to argue it IC, supposedly just assuming that it was intented to be one.
When you want to bring it up IC; the descendants of the militant corporations will have a cultural memory of what their great-grandparents damn well considered an attempt at genocide. When fire rains from the sky and one side considers anyone old enough to hold a weapon a potential threat, you know what some in the world call it today?
Edit: more productive comment
There is a lot of material to read through and thus far in my skimming it seems like it can continue to support most any view point.
The Fed was never founded as a nation to begin with because it saw itself as something to transcend them, so it's a "community" of democratic nations under a central economic/military hegemon. ... The Caldari State is no more a state than it is a band of eight rebellious megacorporations.
I am pretty sure this has been in many of the OOC discussions we have had. I would go so far as to say our guessing, discussion, and post (OOC and IC) informed some of this.
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I think BLoodBird is trying to say he argued from the IC Gallente standpoint that it was never intended as a genocide. Though, that doesn't mean the Caldari should be any less upset about it.
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I think BLoodBird is trying to say he argued from the IC Gallente standpoint that it was never intended as a genocide. Though, that doesn't mean the Caldari should be any less upset about it.
No not really. IIRC none of my toons have ever brough this up IC, I had a topic discussing this OOC here on backstage once where I was trying to point out that AFAIK the PF of the time did not out-right state that the U-Nats wanted an actual genocide with the bombardment of CP (though it was definitly not unthinkable, considering their leanings and outspoken statements from the era, that we all get on our militia ranks :roll:) but to conquer the planet. I wanted more PLAYERS to consider this OOC because the only IC talks I ever saw about the topic for all these years were ones where the genocide attempt was never even challenged, not even by Federals - it created a de-facto agreement that not only was it desired, it was partially done.
Characters spoke of week-long bombardments, million dead, and so on, and none ever dared say that it wasn't as claimed by the Caldari - OFC the Caldari would claim that it was fact - I was trying to point out OOC that the PF was unclear on that and could support both arguments, but no such arguments were ever made IC.
And now, PF clearly state that it was in fact NOT intended, completely flipping previously 'agreed on facts' around. Basically, this PF update codified what I had been trying to get at.
Anyway, this might spur a change of topic - I sugjest this be split to a new topic to avoid derailment if it should happen.
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The only issue I've ever had with Caldari Prime both past and present is that when there's so much more to talk about in Fed-State RP it's become almost as bad as the slavery issue with the Empire and Republic. It's almost a mathematical certainty that the longer a discussion between Fed and State participants on the IGS or elsewhere continues the chance of the topic on Caldari Prime being raised approaches 100%.
There's also parallel topics involving, "The State is a fascist dictatorship" and, "Freedom is the only way, yeah," which seem to obey the same law with the effect that the RP conversation becomes about as interesting as debates conducted over youtube comments.
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I've been reading the history of the gallente federation, and its quite epic, yet makes me smile as some of the assumptions in my mind about Fed history were 100% wrong and others 95% right....
still, quite the undertaking to write it all down..
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Minor note: The Earth-referencing ship names for Empire navies in faction war plexes are no longer in-game.
Previously, for example, the Gallente had ship names drawn directly from Grecco-Roman tradition with a lot of Byzantine mixed in. The Caldari navy had a set of Japanese Sengoku Jidai terms for their ship names. None of these are present in plexes anymore - instead you have generic "Gallente Destroyer" and "Caldari Cruiser" with sparse descriptions.
It's possible that some of the old NPCs (and their suggestive names) linger in mission deadspace.
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Minor note: The Earth-referencing ship names for Empire navies in faction war plexes are no longer in-game.
Previously, for example, the Gallente had ship names drawn directly from Grecco-Roman tradition with a lot of Byzantine mixed in. The Caldari navy had a set of Japanese Sengoku Jidai terms for their ship names. None of these are present in plexes anymore - instead you have generic "Gallente Destroyer" and "Caldari Cruiser" with sparse descriptions.
It's possible that some of the old NPCs (and their suggestive names) linger in mission deadspace.
They were mission NPCs originally, co-opted for FW purposes, so they still exist in missions.