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EVE-Online RP Discussion and Resources => EVE OOC Summit => Topic started by: Shintoko Akahoshi on 10 Jul 2013, 11:46
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Just curious, OOCly, about the Seri in a coma with no pilot's implants (https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=257562&find=unread) story. Is this a "I'm done with the character, moving on" thread, or are you looking to bring people into an arc with some interesting cybernetic/biotech RP?
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I am not afraid to admit I almost teared up thinking about Seri dying and Schere and his daughter being left alone.
I'm a man dammit....a...grown...ma....man...
:cry:
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Option three: he's just taking a break from the character, which can be necessary at times.
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Shin, I'm pretty sure it would be the prior situation you posit, at least theoretically at this point, knowing what I do about things. But its not really my place to talk about.
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Schere isn't alone. She has her kirjuun and suuolo.
Feel bad for the little girl, though.
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Schere isn't alone. She has her kirjuun and suuolo.
Feel bad for the little girl, though.
Not helping the tears things. Seriously, ICly Anslo was at odds with him, but OOCly, the poor guy was just trying to get past some horrid events. Dammit...sad ending is sad if it IS the end...
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I suppose it depends on what the event that tipped him over was.
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The less you know OOC the better. Roll with it.
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The less you know OOC the better. Roll with it.
Its better that way.
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The less you know OOC the better. Roll with it.
Agreed. Storytelling is always so much better when you don't know the ending ahead of time, nor what's going on behind the scenes.
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Which is all well and good. At the same time, I've unexpectedly had a new one ripped a handful of times by people over the last few weeks for treading on their RP or character development. Because of that, while I'm fine with not knowing what's coming down the pipe in people's arcs, I'm also not particularly willing to organically try to play with those arcs without at least an OOC nod.
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Which is all well and good. At the same time, I've unexpectedly had a new one ripped a handful of times by people over the last few weeks for treading on their RP or character development. Because of that, while I'm fine with not knowing what's coming down the pipe in people's arcs, I'm also not particularly willing to organically try to play with those arcs without at least an OOC nod.
Well, I'll just go ahead Shin, and give you permission to poke your nose into any RP arcs that I'm involved in running.
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Makkal doesn't have character arcs so it's not possible to disrupt them.
That said, how can you disrupt another's character development. If it's something they've planned out, it will happen no matter what. If it's something that develops organically, then you can't interfere with a plan.
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Personaly I like it when people throw a little curve ball at me.
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I think that, if they can't deal with unplanned interaction in their arcs, they're losing the interesting side to it. Planning everything out is just masturbation over chat channels. xD
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I think that, if they can't deal with unplanned interaction in their arcs, they're losing the interesting side to it. Planning everything out is just masturbation over chat channels. xD
Yeah I learned this the hard way ages ago. Its better to just roll with the interaction you get instead of trying to force the story in a given direction. If you want a specific story to be told, just write it as a story and don't muck around with trying to get anyone involved.
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Personaly I like it when people throw a little curve ball at me.
Wait till you hear about Sepherim and Silas's child!
(The above was a joke for those still waking up)
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The last time someone threw me a curve ball, it was in the form of a daughter. Luckily, the plot said no.
:|
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So. Getting back on topic, what exactly happened?
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Personaly I like it when people throw a little curve ball at me.
Wait till you hear about Sepherim and Silas's child!
(The above was a joke for those still waking up)
(http://imgace.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/what-do-you-want-to-name-it.jpg)
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The last time someone threw me a curve ball, it was in the form of a daughter. Luckily, the plot said no.
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I think we've all had to say 'no' to that plot at one point, haven't we?
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The last time someone threw me a curve ball, it was in the form of a daughter. Luckily, the plot said no.
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I think we've all had to say 'no' to that plot at one point, haven't we?
... No? I haven't. (Somewhat to Morwen-c's dismay, I might add. But she's patient... very patient...)
From what little I know of the situation I'm a little 'eh' about the direction things appear to be going, but remember, this is EVE. Grimdark as it can be, all the things can be fixed by cloning in the end. Or handwavium. Or playerchangedtheirmindaboutit-ization.
All the things.
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I thought people wouldn't care...I was obviously mistaken about how I perceived my standing in the RP community.
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People have an opinion about Seriphyn, and that's the prime currency that exists among a RP community. He's got a long history during which he's made mistakes and changed and grown. That makes him a well-realized character with more depth than many.
Do what you want in the end, though. Kill him off and start over (Nooey did that with a years-old character specifically to further a story arc, to my immense awe and eternal respect), leave him in a coma for a while while you try something else, or bring him back now. He's your character, after all.
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I thought people wouldn't care...I was obviously mistaken about how I perceived my standing in the RP community.
Dude, I'm going to be blunt in my usual manner here.
Your perception of your standing looks to me like it was so out of date not even a dog would eat what came out of that can. Seriously - you've been pretty decent the last year or two, and it's a noticeable difference from how you were when you started out.
I also think you may be conflating (or just confusing) people's opinions of the character - both their own and those of their character(s) - with their opinions of you as a player.
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I thought people wouldn't care...I was obviously mistaken about how I perceived my standing in the RP community.
I never even interacted with you IC... directly.
People will have Reasons though.
If it's a game of "who would show to his funeral" - well, now you know ;)
Why's though..? Yep, lets keep IC in IC :D
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I thought people wouldn't care...I was obviously mistaken about how I perceived my standing in the RP community.
You weren't the only one, don't worry.
Though as pointed above, it's probably more about the character. And a character despised OOCly by almost everyone is no fun at all, so eventually I don't see much of a difference.
Too bad, I really enjoyed Seri OOCly, one of the best chars around there.
Damn, my post is depressing.
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I won't risk being moderated by commenting on you as a player.
However, Seriphyn the character can be very irritating to more casual roleplayers who have trouble differentiating IC and OOC. Like myself, I didn't play D&D with buddies when I was a teenager, so I am very inexperienced compared to others. I only just started roleplaying a few years ago in online games. This is partially self evident in the similarities me and my character share, where I don't stray outside the box very often. Add to that the issue that IC interaction is not that much different from OOC interaction in the virtual medium (no face to look at or drinks to be had at the bar after a game), and your character can quickly come to represent you OOC to many players, like it or not. I sometimes have trouble remembering that a character is not the player when the character elicits strong emotional reactions from me based on their behavior IC.
Think of it like Jack Gleeson. Most people will immediately think of Joffrey Baratheon when they see him now. They won't think of Jack Gleeson or think of whatever other character Jack is playing. It's the price you pay for playing an unlikable but memorable character, even if your acting or RP is exceedingly well done. People have to put their initial reactions on pause and remember that it's just a character, and that Jack Gleeson isn't anything like Joffrey.
Similarly, people have to put their initial reactions on pause and realize that Seriphyn is just a character, and you're not anything like him.
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I do not need to interact directly with Seriphyn to know, that his character enriches New Eden. I find him a coherent character that frequently shows face in the IGS, and manages to let his persona shine through when commenting on threads. That is from an OOC perspective.
Myyona thinks good about anyone who shows care for the common man and those in need. A positive mention of 'humanitarian work' makes a ping on her radar. Capsuleers at large are extremely narcissistic, so she values those few that are not a lot.
EDIT: Oh, and of course, anything with a medical aspect makes me interested in doing RP.
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As others have said IC reputation != OOC reputation. They influence one another but are hardly the same thing.
The last time someone threw me a curve ball, it was in the form of a daughter. Luckily, the plot said no.
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I think we've all had to say 'no' to that plot at one point, haven't we?
I can't even count the number of times people have claimed Makkal knocked them up.
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The last time someone threw me a curve ball, it was in the form of a daughter. Luckily, the plot said no.
:|
. Gottii is late. He's certain its Anslo's.
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As others have said IC reputation != OOC reputation. They influence one another but are hardly the same thing.
The last time someone threw me a curve ball, it was in the form of a daughter. Luckily, the plot said no.
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I think we've all had to say 'no' to that plot at one point, haven't we?
I can't even count the number of times people have claimed Makkal knocked them up.
Speaking of which, are you going to get July's child support check in the mail or not?
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Personaly I like it when people throw a little curve ball at me.
Wait till you hear about Sepherim and Silas's child!
(The above was a joke for those still waking up)
(http://imgace.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/what-do-you-want-to-name-it.jpg)
Jamyl? And I will have to find a new corp now that the secret is out...
I thought people wouldn't care...I was obviously mistaken about how I perceived my standing in the RP community.
I believe we all have an impact on the community because the RP community is small enough, and closely knit. Seph probably hasn't RPed much with Seriph (yeah, you name stealer!) beyond IGS, but an RPer needs a believable world to RP in, and just reading your posts or knowing of your deeds makes the prime fiction come alive in a way, and thus makes the world more worthwhile to RP. I could say the same about many others, and I would still care because they too make the world come alive.
So yes, we care. Which, of course, doesn't mean you have to spoil the secret, or let us know which way you are going or wether the character is gone or not. It comes a time you need to take distance, or just leave. Old-Seph is gone forever, so I understand.
But never think that because we may not interact, or may not like other characters ICly, we don't care, or you don't have an impact. Good RPers have a good impact on all RPers, just like bad ones do. And, fortunately, you are among the first ones.
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:cube: Seri.
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I imagine the memorial service will be a fun event for all involved.
If there's going to be one.
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Were it to be held in space with more than 24 hours advance notice, I expect I'd be there with wardecs on. :yar:
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I imagine the memorial service will be a fun event for all involved.
If there's going to be one.
I don't go to many RP events, but I would definitely go to that.
And, as Myyona said on your IGS thread, ATAP's vast biomedical resources are at your disposal if you need some SCIENCE! done.
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Likewise Kabuki's, which are largely ex-O-SYN and focused around "grey area" cybernetics. Consider this a "private ping", since Shin doesn't publicly acknowledge the existence of the Kabuki black medical labs.
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Likewise Kabuki's, which are largely ex-O-SYN and focused around "grey area" cybernetics. Consider this a "private ping", since Shin doesn't publicly acknowledge the existence of the Kabuki black medical labs.
You shove off, we called dibs on ALL the brain parts.
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There'd be some left over!
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I'm sure I could find something to do with the goopy grey stuff.
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Maybe just a break is best then. I became too reliant on one person for RP and it became an OOC strain on both ends.
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Maybe just a break is best then. I became too reliant on one person for RP and it became an OOC strain on both ends.
That always gets strainful, as does 'the same type' of RP over and over, which is why I try to mix it up. Otherwise it gets boring and or truly OOC stressful ... :/
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Maybe just a break is best then. I became too reliant on one person for RP and it became an OOC strain on both ends.
/me hugs
Yeah, stress isn't good for enjoying a game.
Have fun in doing stuff :)
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I was not persuasive enough to push for a reconciliation, and I can understand why all things considered. Trouble is, is that if I returned, I would like to engage with everyone I previously thought disinterested while retaining the RP that was lost. I had lots of things planned with regards to the latter, and I would just feel disheartened and disappointed in coming back and not being able to participate in that any longer. It would all feel incomplete, and I'm not sure if 'moving on' to RP with others would mitigate that.
I hope that makes sense.
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/me still has to plant a Kitz on Elusenia. 8)
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Well I think you know how James feels about Seri.
Considering Tycho is leaving the game as well your announcement came as quite a shock. Being reviled ain't easy :s
I won't discuss at length my eve past. But James isn't my first incarnation. Grinding long term toons is never easy, but sometimes necessary.
For purely selfish reasons I hope you find a way to resurrect Seri. If not, I thank you for the excellent RP we shared and your sometimes unnoticed contributions to Gallente RP.
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Well I think you know how James feels about Seri.
Considering Tycho is leaving the game as well your announcement came as quite a shock. Being reviled ain't easy :s
I won't discuss at length my eve past. But James isn't my first incarnation. Grinding long term toons is never easy, but sometimes necessary.
For purely selfish reasons I hope you find a way to resurrect Seri. If not, I thank you for the excellent RP we shared and your sometimes unnoticed contributions to Gallente RP.
"Sometimes" being the key-word here. Sadly there are quite a few unaware of the awesome contributions Seri has made to Fed RP. Also your bio-massing James? :cry: Damn it, there goes another awesome enemy. What are the specific reasons, burn-out?
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Well I think you know how James feels about Seri.
Considering Tycho is leaving the game as well your announcement came as quite a shock. Being reviled ain't easy :s
I won't discuss at length my eve past. But James isn't my first incarnation. Grinding long term toons is never easy, but sometimes necessary.
For purely selfish reasons I hope you find a way to resurrect Seri. If not, I thank you for the excellent RP we shared and your sometimes unnoticed contributions to Gallente RP.
"Sometimes" being the key-word here. Sadly there are quite a few unaware of the awesome contributions Seri has made to Fed RP. Also your bio-massing James? :cry: Damn it, there goes another awesome enemy. What are the specific reasons, burn-out?
For Heavens sake no!
How could the Cluster continue without James :)
I was referring to my first two incarnations in EvE, and that "sometimes" it is necessary to perma-death a toon for IC or OOC reasons.
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*Breathes a sight of relief*
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I don't want to seem like a inconsistent/schizophrenic RPer, but I'm debating coming back (it's been like 2-3 weeks), purely because having nothing to do IRL (I'm on USAF DEP) has left me extremely unstimulated. It's one thing leaving EVE because of a busy work or domestic life; it's another leaving EVE and then having jackshit to do when at home.
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I thought you where a Brit Seriphyn? At least I seem to recall seeing pictures of you in RN uniform.
If that is so how could you be taking a DEP to the US Air Force?
Unless you've joined the Stargate program or something. :lol:
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He's over here now.
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Unless you've joined the Stargate program or something. :lol:
Say 'hi' to Carter for me :D
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Yeah, I was an RN student officer for about a year, before I decided to resign on a) relationship with commanding officer broke down, b) the unit was moving from Aberdeen to Edinburgh, and c) I seemed to take it too seriously (I was called 'Nelsonian' at one point). Going in as USAF airborne crypto-linguist because I'm also an American citizen and because I think I'd get more from the American lifestyle than the British one at this moment in my life.
Anyway, I still have less than a week left on my alt account, so I decided to make an NPC from Elusenia to see if a return storyline could be formed. However, I seemed to mess up on the meta-IC/OOC level (business as usual for me), so that's the end of that it appears. Meh.
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Yeah, I was an RN student officer for about a year, before I decided to resign on a) relationship with commanding officer broke down, b) the unit was moving from Aberdeen to Edinburgh, and c) I seemed to take it too seriously (I was called 'Nelsonian' at one point). Going in as USAF airborne crypto-linguist because I'm also an American citizen and because I think I'd get more from the American lifestyle than the British one at this moment in my life.
Anyway, I still have less than a week left on my alt account, so I decided to make an NPC from Elusenia to see if a return storyline could be formed. However, I seemed to mess up on the meta-IC/OOC level (business as usual for me), so that's the end of that it appears. Meh.
Could be worse I guess. You could've become a crabfat (RN/RM slang for the RAF based on the fact that their initial uniform issue was the same colour as the gel used to treat crabs by navy doctors).
Have fun in the States then. And like Repentance says"hi" to Carter (and remember not to piss off Teal'c). :D
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Well, as you can see, Seri's coming back, and if I were honest, I'm no longer interested in smacktalk RP (a playful heckle got around five/six likes). He hasn't even done anything for a month, especially if we're talking about actions and consequences. Am I stuck with this sort of character? I don't really want to start a new character, but I envy people who play half a character and get by easy.
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Just role play your interests. Just because people only see the tip of the iceberg doesn't mean there's no man beyond the screen.
IMO discussing your personal life with the general public or having them privy to the intimate details of your life/characterisation is asking for pain, both IC and meta. So roll with your interests and play the public face you wish to put across.
Also kill everything.
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Also kill everything.
This.
THIS.
FUCKING THIS.
If they won't respect you as a person, make them fear and loath, but respect you, through your actions and infamy.
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I envy people who play half a character and get by easy.
Think maybe that's the kind of attitude that invites heckling?
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Get a cause. Fight for it.
That'll shut up everyone, trust me. It'd certainly shut up Pieter who mostly sees Seriphyn as a gilded waste of oxygen.
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There will always be popular opposition against those who eschew the popular norms. Seriphyn as a "Byronic Hero" tended to do exactly that. He didn't care what anyone thought of him and lived life his own way, flipping the bird to anyone who disagreed. If you want to avoid smacktalk RP, you may want to consider aligning Seriphyn more along common mannerisms.
Even peppering his speech with pleasantries would make a significant different. More formalized speech with proper grammar and such would change it. You don't have to change who he is, but merely how he acts. This is an entirely plausible result from a "life changing near-death experience"... at least according to the movies.
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I envy people who play half a character and get by easy.
Think maybe that's the kind of attitude that invites heckling?
If that is so, then it's a gross case of OOC/IC bleedover.
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I envy people who play half a character and get by easy.
Think maybe that's the kind of attitude that invites heckling?
If that is so, then it's a gross case of OOC/IC bleedover.
I think it's more a case where Seri ought to clarify what amounts to a near-YDIW accusation.
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That's another issue.
But it does not invalidate my point.
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More amusing is the fact that I'm often accused of not liking Seri himself (who I don't think I've exchanged more than a few posts with and don't know in the slightest) just because my character finds his character an insufferable blowhard.
I would be interested in knowing if Pieter is one of these 'half-characters' he mentioned, though.
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I would be interested in knowing if Pieter is one of these 'half-characters' he mentioned, though.
What's a half character anyway?
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I would be interested in knowing if Pieter is one of these 'half-characters' he mentioned, though.
What's a half character anyway?
I think he was referring to characters whose primary defining attributes have either been abandoned or eliminated through RP. Like a missing faction loyalty, or a drastically different personality, or the loss of memories/lifestyle.
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I would be interested in knowing if Pieter is one of these 'half-characters' he mentioned, though.
What's a half character anyway?
I think he was referring to characters whose primary defining attributes have either been abandoned or eliminated through RP. Like a missing faction loyalty, or a drastically different personality, or the loss of memories/lifestyle.
Why is that half? That's just the player going a different route with their game play and RP without doing handwavium so that things are consistent AND they get to have fun. Why should someone's OOC choice brand them as a half character? So Anslo is half cause I made him more nutty to go down a different path for a more engaging story? That's stupid.
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I would be interested in knowing if Pieter is one of these 'half-characters' he mentioned, though.
What's a half character anyway?
I think he was referring to characters whose primary defining attributes have either been abandoned or eliminated through RP. Like a missing faction loyalty, or a drastically different personality, or the loss of memories/lifestyle.
Why is that half? That's just the player going a different route with their game play and RP without doing handwavium so that things are consistent AND they get to have fun. Why should someone's OOC choice brand them as a half character? So Anslo is half cause I made him more nutty to go down a different path for a more engaging story? That's stupid.
Take a chill pill. He's not using the term to insult anybody.
He's probably calling his own character 'half a character', and talking about how he has troubles playing Seriphyn now. He follows it up by saying he envies others who can play 'half a character' and get by easy.
He hasn't even done anything for a month, especially if we're talking about actions and consequences. Am I stuck with this sort of character? I don't really want to start a new character, but I envy people who play half a character and get by easy.
In other words, his post isn't talking about you or your character (or Pieter's). He's talking about his own, while enviously referencing the ability of others to settle the same difficulties he is encountering in his own roleplay. If anything, it's a nod of respect for people who are still having fun with their roleplay even after significant changes to their character outside what they envisioned.
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OOOOH OK I get it. I apologize in that case to Seri and Kat and...whoever else I happened to offend for Gods' know what reason.
To be honest Seri, you don't have to play a half character. You have a lot to work with in terms of background so honestly, you could do SOMETHING. It isn't half for a character to act differently or shift their raison d'être.
Just thinking off the top of my head, what's stopping Seri from re-entering the Navy given the recent threats/attacks that have occurred in the Fed? I mean maybe you got a reason, I don't know it...but it's just one idea?