One other thing to consider - our characters are fairly young, on the whole, probably 18-30 in the majority. Add in vast power and wealth afforded to them by capsuleer status (and fan clubs?), mix it with poor impulse control, and the fact that we're not throwing drunk debaucheries on a nightly basis astounds me. EVE: Frat House Edition.
You obviously haven't come into contact with PIE yet :lol:
And the chances of that happening in the future are about nil as he's been basically retired for about two years now.One other thing to consider - our characters are fairly young, on the whole, probably 18-30 in the majority. Add in vast power and wealth afforded to them by capsuleer status (and fan clubs?), mix it with poor impulse control, and the fact that we're not throwing drunk debaucheries on a nightly basis astounds me. EVE: Frat House Edition.
You obviously haven't come into contact with PIE yet :lol:
It's hard to come in contact with PIE when certain members never undock... (coughArchbishopcough)
One other thing to consider - our characters are fairly young, on the whole, probably 18-30 in the majority. Add in vast power and wealth afforded to them by capsuleer status (and fan clubs?), mix it with poor impulse control, and the fact that we're not throwing drunk debaucheries on a nightly basis astounds me. EVE: Frat House Edition.
You obviously haven't come into contact with PIE yet :lol:
It's hard to come in contact with PIE when certain members never undock... (coughArchbishopcough)
One other thing to consider - our characters are fairly young, on the whole, probably 18-30 in the majority. Add in vast power and wealth afforded to them by capsuleer status (and fan clubs?), mix it with poor impulse control, and the fact that we're not throwing drunk debaucheries on a nightly basis astounds me. EVE: Frat House Edition.
You obviously haven't come into contact with PIE yet :lol:
It's hard to come in contact with PIE when certain members never undock... (coughArchbishopcough)
A bit off-topic and a bit on-topic, since it's sort of the same idea of "painting with the same brush". But I really don't get these kind of comments, no matter what corp they're targeting. People seem to equate "inactivity" with "not undocking", and that that's somehow a bad thing. People have real lives to worry about, afterall.
And there's plenty of character types who don't often have any reason to undock. EVE is a sandbox, a portion of the game is done solely from the hangar. So I really don't get the purpose behind comments like that.
One other thing to consider - our characters are fairly young, on the whole, probably 18-30 in the majority. Add in vast power and wealth afforded to them by capsuleer status (and fan clubs?), mix it with poor impulse control, and the fact that we're not throwing drunk debaucheries on a nightly basis astounds me. EVE: Frat House Edition.
You obviously haven't come into contact with PIE yet :lol:
It's hard to come in contact with PIE when certain members never undock... (coughArchbishopcough)
eventually even John got his RL picture posted on FHC to be made fun of.
and eventually even John got his RL picture posted on FHC to be made fun of.
I-RED has a recently gained reputation for 'not undocking' for a very specific incident. [...]+1
Sometimes staying docked up is used as a form of attack, not just a way of avoiding fights. Sometimes, accusations that 'these people never undock' is true in some way, though rarely is it a permanent state of affairs.
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In PIE's case, it's more a reference to how the corp basically came across as being in a coma aside from IGS posting until Mitara took over.
I've had enough fun RP with members of PIE (well, *I* think it was fun) that I vastly prefer this state of things where the corp is less insular and actually sticks its head out of the cave to ask a neighbor what the weather's like.
In PIE's case, it's more a reference to how the corp basically came across as being in a coma aside from IGS posting until Mitara took over.
Personal experience here: in a year and a half of screwing around in FW space as a pirate, I saw PIE pilots in space maybe a handful of times. I was down that way regularly, several times a week at all hours of the day and night (because lawl college sleep schedules). Maybe it's an outlier, like having only been jammed by ECM drones a grand total of twice (no joke) in two years of piracy, but when you go down to the warzone day in and day out, and never see people from a corp when you know full well they're supposed to be operating in that area, what else are you supposed to think?
And no, there isn't anything shameful about blueballing an opponent. In fact it's the best tactic imo, because the ones seeking tears end up being the ones whose tears fill the jars instead.
Archbishop was a poor example for Sakura to use, I'll give you that, but that doesn't do much to dismiss the reputation PIE accumulated among some groups as never undocking and rarely doing little more than IGS-warrioring for a while. The fact that PIE was largely an insular group rarely interacting with other parts of the RP community for much of that time didn't do much to help either. I remember when seeing a PIE member in an RP channel, whether it was the Summit, OOC, or one of the non-pirate bars or establishments, was as rare as an Alliance Tournament prize ship.
I've had enough fun RP with members of PIE (well, *I* think it was fun) that I vastly prefer this state of things where the corp is less insular and actually sticks its head out of the cave to ask a neighbor what the weather's like.
Now that the thread is split, I'll point out that it is something of a meme for people to point out that others 'don't undock'. There are a few specific cases when an organization actually purposefully decides to not undock for one reason or another, but more often than not... people just claim that 'people don't undock' because they can't get the fights they prefer out of said targets.
Man, the day that we are obligated to go out and bring fights to our enemies every time they request one via wardec is the day that we have utterly lost control of our own RP destiny.You forget, Tib, that nor is the one declaring war under any obligation to provide fights to those he declared on. vOv It goes both ways.
We didn't ask for the war. We were under no obligation to pick up and head into FW Amarr space to go fight it. We were very much the defender in that case.
As I said, I am glad the person who actually did prosecute that war is in charge now.
Now that the thread is split, I'll point out that it is something of a meme for people to point out that others 'don't undock'. There are a few specific cases when an organization actually purposefully decides to not undock for one reason or another, but more often than not... people just claim that 'people don't undock' because they can't get the fights they prefer out of said targets
Man, the day that we are obligated to go out and bring fights to our enemies every time they request one via wardec is the day that we have utterly lost control of our own RP destiny.You forget, Tib, that nor is the one declaring war under any obligation to provide fights to those he declared on. vOv It goes both ways.
We didn't ask for the war. We were under no obligation to pick up and head into FW Amarr space to go fight it. We were very much the defender in that case.
As I said, I am glad the person who actually did prosecute that war is in charge now.
Silas, most of the times I've seen it brought up has been OOC, not IC.
You forget, Tib, that nor is the one declaring war under any obligation to provide fights to those he declared on. vOv It goes both ways.
I suffer from the opposite problem. I always undock. My ship's average life expectancy is short even for eve. While often great fun, this is also a great drain on my wallet, so I fully understand the people who don't want to undock into fights they can't win. Gets expensive quickly :P
The "PIE never undocks" thing got really old when I was a member. I think it was, like Aldrith said, people expected to be like they were in the old days. However, PIE does contribute to continuing that expectation by frequently referencing their past great accomplishments. I think it be better if they focused on more recent achievements. It is a PR issue, and while PIE has a decent number of pilots active in space and in the forums, they don't seem to be trumpeting their achievements like they used to.
Man, the day that we are obligated to go out and bring fights to our enemies every time they request one via wardec is the day that we have utterly lost control of our own RP destiny.
We didn't ask for the war. We were under no obligation to pick up and head into FW Amarr space to go fight it. We were very much the defender in that case.
As I said, I am glad the person who actually did prosecute that war is in charge now.
The "PIE never undocks" thing got really old when I was a member. I think it was, like Aldrith said, people expected to be like they were in the old days. However, PIE does contribute to continuing that expectation by frequently referencing their past great accomplishments. I think it be better if they focused on more recent achievements. It is a PR issue, and while PIE has a decent number of pilots active in space and in the forums, they don't seem to be trumpeting their achievements like they used to.
This.
Like I said PIE's amount of undocking and pvp have NOTHING to do with the IC public perception of them. Start a campaign, kick some asses, get some plots going. Contact your fac rep, go burn out some heathens, who knows.
You guys should wave the flag louder and prouder in public and go kick sand in every heathen RPer faces, and bring down the righteous holy light of ass-kicking Imperial wrath down upon them. Start wardeccing highsec RP corps, start shooting them to ruin. Start blockading areas criminals traffic in. Go after Koro and EoM or something (he will shoot back).
Man, the day that we are obligated to go out and bring fights to our enemies every time they request one via wardec is the day that we have utterly lost control of our own RP destiny.You forget, Tib, that nor is the one declaring war under any obligation to provide fights to those he declared on. vOv It goes both ways.
We didn't ask for the war. We were under no obligation to pick up and head into FW Amarr space to go fight it. We were very much the defender in that case.
As I said, I am glad the person who actually did prosecute that war is in charge now.
No, they're not obligated to provide fights. Neither side is.
But wardeccing someone, and then doing nothing, has a side effect of making the aggressor look pretty dumb imo, especially if the defender gets up and ready to fight, and gives the defender a huge amount of ammunition to use in a PR war. Especially if they keep paying the bills for it for more than the first week.
Man, the day that we are obligated to go out and bring fights to our enemies every time they request one via wardec is the day that we have utterly lost control of our own RP destiny.
We didn't ask for the war. We were under no obligation to pick up and head into FW Amarr space to go fight it. We were very much the defender in that case.
As I said, I am glad the person who actually did prosecute that war is in charge now.
Cry more, your tears are my sweet, sweet nectar.
Btw Tiberious war deccing people to make them targets of opportunity is quite normal ;)
Honestly Naquam is kind of unimportant when we have literally thousands of mini militia pilots romping around our lowsec taking our slaves :lol:
Man, the day that we are obligated to go out and bring fights to our enemies every time they request one via wardec is the day that we have utterly lost control of our own RP destiny.
We didn't ask for the war. We were under no obligation to pick up and head into FW Amarr space to go fight it. We were very much the defender in that case.
As I said, I am glad the person who actually did prosecute that war is in charge now.
Cry more, your tears are my sweet, sweet nectar.
Btw Tiberious war deccing people to make them targets of opportunity is quite normal ;)
Honestly Naquam is kind of unimportant when we have literally thousands of mini militia pilots romping around our lowsec taking our slaves :lol:
What tears?
Also, not Naquam.
Also wat.
Laerise: Never not bitter
Hooooooold up here, people. This is the first I see of this thread, yet we're on page 3, and people are already assuming to know what I'm thinking by my original comment? :psyccp:
First things first. The Archbishop reference? It was from the SF-Amarrian Bloc War... six years ago. Namely, the incident when Archbishop got killed in the opening fight of the war, only to be seen in-dock from there on out for the remaining 3-6 months of fighting. I've made no commentary on PIE's current status, or any contributions it's made to the Amarrian Militia, and to assume that was my intent is jumping the gun.
I'll grant you, it was a bit of an obscure reference, I'll give you that one. When you've been a vet of the game for almost 8 years, things tend to blend together a bit, and this is one of those times.
As for the second topic that's arisen, namely "blueballs to frustrate an enemy", I'd like to point out that there's a time and place to use said tactic. For example, if you're a mining corporation of 10 players that just got dec'd by a mercenary corp of 30 combat specialists who are active. Even then, I'd recommend parking the metaphorical Hulks, and looking at either hiring mercs of your own to fight back, or a single individual to train your guys to fight if the will exists.
Case in point, my earliest "real" corp was a group of college students IRL, including myself, who ran a mining operation in lowsec that produced industrial goods (ships, modules, etc). We got harassed and dec'd by pirates - we could have docked up for the duration, but we bought cruisers, my BC, and our flagship of awesome, a simple Dominix. And we fought them, and actually held our own in the war, with very little prior experience or skillpoints.
I raise this as an example because to dock up in station when threatened by something is a double-edged sword. You may deny the aggressor a chance to kill you, and in turn get loot/satisfaction/whatever out of the deal, but you're also essentially taking your ball and going home because you don't like the situation you find yourself in. Again, I can understand it in certain circumstances - however, when you're like I-RED, a corp established in nullsec NPC space with local allies, established infrastructure (POS) in space, etc., and someone comes to town to take down your things, I would hope you'd fight. Defending organizations can not only time towers as necessary to their advantage, in a fleet fight they have the advantage of locally staged ships to replenish any losses they take. RK, by comparison, would likely not have the depth of staging, leaving us susceptible to being ground down in a prolonged fight, or running out of "fleet appropriate ships".
And on that subject, let's say that the Goons hit TXW tomorrow, move in, and continually pester us for fights. Provided we can physically undock, and not get meat-grinded into a pulp, you bet your ass we're going to get ships out into space to harass said invaders... tier3 BCs, bomber gangs, Falcon gayness everywhere, you name it. Even if we were rapecaged into station, we have options to get around it.
The point I'm getting at is the first couple of times an organization docks when it could have fought a decent battle, it annoys the aggressor. After that, though? It becomes expected, and more harmful to the corp executing the tactic. It chips away at their confidence, at their members who question "why am I paying $15/month or so to spin my ship in station?" - I :cube: Gorion Wassenar these days, and all of the other former-Kimotoro Directive people who jumped into Stimulus and Rote, but ask them how that tactic fared for them in the old days. TLDR, it didn't - KD died from the siege.
Anyways, just my two ISK. I'll check later tonight for any follow-up questions / comments... plus I've only read the thread up through page 2. Working on it.
The "PIE never undocks" thing got really old when I was a member. I think it was, like Aldrith said, people expected to be like they were in the old days. However, PIE does contribute to continuing that expectation by frequently referencing their past great accomplishments. I think it be better if they focused on more recent achievements. It is a PR issue, and while PIE has a decent number of pilots active in space and in the forums, they don't seem to be trumpeting their achievements like they used to.
This.
Like I said PIE's amount of undocking and pvp have NOTHING to do with the IC public perception of them. Start a campaign, kick some asses, get some plots going. Contact your fac rep, go burn out some heathens, who knows.
You guys should wave the flag louder and prouder in public and go kick sand in every heathen RPer faces, and bring down the righteous holy light of ass-kicking Imperial wrath down upon them. Start wardeccing highsec RP corps, start shooting them to ruin. Start blockading areas criminals traffic in. Go after Koro and EoM or something (he will shoot back).
I'll not be told that I'm "RP'ing PIE wrong" by you Silar tyvm.
PIE is doing perfectly alright, at least in my tz that is.
We're involved in all kinds of things and we have a reputation for discretion - something many people (especially in the RP community) seem to lack.
The PIE Ethos is that we don't give a damn if our actions are in the news / on the IGS / in the super-serious-ooc-channels. We just do what we have always done, serve the empire to the best of our capacity.
Funnily enough those who we work with don't see a problem with that. :cube:
Laerise: Never not bitter
Bro-hoof :)
We were in Amarr space. We waited. We saw Mittara.That war was a direct result of Mitty's rage over Tib's betrayal. At the time, unfortunately, she was the only one around that gave a crap :) ( A shout out and thanks to Blackwatch Guard for at least trying to help a bit )