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EVE-Online RP Discussion and Resources => EVE Character Development => Topic started by: Silas Vitalia on 07 Aug 2012, 12:12
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Do any of you other RPers occasionally get sick / have difficulty being a full-time IC jerk? Or rather having to play characters that are just completely out of personal experience for extended periods?
I swear to god I sometimes just want to punch Silas in the mouth for being such a sanctimonious biotch in public, but I've committed to being IC snarky and unliked by many so I'm just going with it at the moment.
Anyway just curious if any of you run into this sort of thing. I'm often ooc rooting for people and I like giving a lot of ooc 'likes' on IGS but then proceed to jump right in and rag on people IC. It just gets to me ooc now and then.
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I dunno, I love Silas IC. I just wish she'd stop tooling around with awful pirates instead of the good pirates who could be her real friends (us). ;)
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I dunno, I love Silas IC. I just wish she'd stop tooling around with awful pirates instead of the good pirates who could be her real friends (us). ;)
haha thanks, but I am interested if any of you run into these sorts of conflicts after a while
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Oh all the time. Im not really a techno-utopian fascist in real life (though I do actually find a lot of interest in transhumanism!). I don't actually believe that peoples free will should be subverted for the good of the whole.
Arguing these positions occasionally leaves a bad taste in my mouth, but I can usually wash it out because everything else about it is so much fun.
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Being a Christian in real life and arguing for a religion that is dynamically different than my own, especially a militant one proves very difficult at times.
When I played Malcolm, playing an atheist, highly confrontational pragmatist was very difficult for me at times as well.
I tend to enjoy Silas a lot because of whom she is and how she contorts herself and I know that you're a cool person OOC from what I've seen. I tend to play very idealistic characters that are stubborn, highly moral and driven by conviction - which I've discovered causes a lot of conflict as well.
I've found playing an Amarr that doesn't just yell heathen, heretic, blasphemy and slave at everyone all the time can become very tiresome as well.
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Malcolm: I had the issue with Malcolm in reverse playing a religious Amarrian as an atheist.
It's tricky...
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Oh all the time. Im not really a techno-utopian fascist in real life (though I do actually find a lot of interest in transhumanism!). I don't actually believe that peoples free will should be subverted for the good of the whole.
Arguing these positions occasionally leaves a bad taste in my mouth, but I can usually wash it out because everything else about it is so much fun.
U DONT????????????
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In general I leave a healthy breath between my real world and virtual world selves and their feelings. I really only find it tiresome when I feel like I'm spamming the same lines and lines again (the same ideals i'm fine with). Finding different ways to argue the same point makes it more varied and stimulating IMO.
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Keep up being the beotch, Silas, that's why we love you!!
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I am only a part time ass so I am no help.
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I try to make Ava be much more confrontational and violent than I am IRL (of course. I am not a spaceship pilot) and at times, just want to tell her to shut UP!
I just started an Amarrian character, who is pretty soft spoken, but very Amarrian. A lot of what she believes/does are very distasteful to me IRL... we will see what happens!
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I sometimes feel like people think I actually believe that! I will choose to take it as a compliment towards my ability to argue a position with conviction, even if I don't hold it myself, coupled with my obvious and overpowering ability to RP a believable character (who can probably lift cars).
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EVE can all too easily become a second job you pay for. If it's a second job you pay for where you're (a) being a jerk, and (b) not even enjoying being a jerk, have a think about what else you could do.
We'll often stick with a character for a time because it's the "right" thing to do to keep it consistent, fill a niche in the meme-pool, etc, but at the end of things this is your real life you're investing: if you're not getting a reasonable payback you should do something else.
Consider consciously debriefing\"de-roling" after your roleplay sessions. It helps clear the emotional palate and can help you see the character more clearly.
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I think all of the factions have a 'keeping up appearances' bit in their culture.
Where they show a different aspects of their persona to different kinds of people.
Having in-game friends that you can let your hair down with can be a real life saver at times.
That is why I love roleplaying people, not archetypes or Mary Sues.
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I'm not sure how others have viewed Mjalnar "Zagamesh" Gessenier, but he's probably the most difficult character I've played. The way I've always RP'ed him is as a man who's sensitive at heart but is also a man dealing with a lot of blood on his hands with no easy answers at hand. He's torn in all sorts of different ways so in public at least I think he can off as very direct, aggressive and confrontational. All the alcohol he consumes probably doesn't help either. I think a lot of his self-loathing tends to get projected outwards. The difficulty I've found is that he's practically the polar opposite of me, who's a pretty chill and relaxed guy, so I do sometimes worry if people take it personally when he's liable to chew someone's head off.
He also tends to put walls up even with those closest to him, so not many I think have ever actually seen the real Zag for all the facades he puts up. Sometimes even I get confused with what the hell is going on in that guy's head. Maybe he's just insane, who knows?
My other characters I don't have much issue with, since they don't carry as much baggage around with them.
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It is a gift, it must be embraced!
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Silas, you play one of my favorite characters in all of EVE RP right now. While yes she is entirely unlikable in personality sometimes, she is actually VERY likable. You just can't help but admire how strong willed she is, unfettered by the opinions of lesser people.
I only wish she didn't hate Kat now! </3
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Yeah, I sympathise with you, Silas. I've never tried to play just a single character, so I've never had to stick with only one way of being. If I had to play one of my more unpleasant characters all of the time, I'd probably feel as you do.
I get around it by having alts.
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I've had this feeling several times, especially playing Katla at her most spiteful and rigid. There have been a few times when I've initiated OOC conversations with victims of IC vitriol, just to make sure that IC hard feelings don't bleed into OOC. It's still a joy playing her, though.
Funnily, I never seem to get a bad taste in my mouth about Ruby's actions. She's creepy as hell, and a convincing argument could certainly be made that what she does is evil - but she's not a jerk. She genuinely cares about others and tries to do good, even though her perception of good and evil is seriously out of alignment with the moral compasses of most other people.
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I guess it all depends on whom you see as friends and enemies. If you're playing a character with a racial superiority complex that requires you to negate the opinions and relevance of 75% of New Eden, then I suppose you'd be justified in behaving that way. OTOH, people need outlets to socialize and interact with their peers. Does your character feel isolated, and how do they react to this environment? Are they lashing out for attention, any attention, no matter how terrible?
Food for thought!
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I'm not sure how others have viewed Mjalnar "Zagamesh" Gessenier, but he's probably the most difficult character I've played.
Met him once when trying to make contact with the Gallente RP scene. Decided not to go back because I thought he had no redeeming features.
That could say more about me than about how you were playing Zag.
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I love Silas's character OOC, although this may be quite hard to see, as Kala(c) absolutely loathes her >.>
She is everything Kala hates about Amarrians, and then manages to actually extend that by being a Sani Sabik. :eek:
I think I understand what you mean though, as as a few people in regular contact with me will attest, I am usually a very mellow person IRL. Kala however is bitter and angry, has been betrayed in her personal life, and has spent almost her entire time as a capsuleer hating Amarrians and fighting in the war against them. It can be hard for me to stick in this role when I would rather avoid an argument.
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Met him once when trying to make contact with the Gallente RP scene. Decided not to go back because I thought he had no redeeming features.
Heh, I remember that. The guy can hold very strong opinions. My fault really, I decided it would be interesting to play an extremely cynical man without strong ideals to hold things together. Most of the reason I never really interacted in the RP scene was usually me consciously sparing people his company in that mindset.
These days however, oddly enough he seems to have become an existential humanist or something. Weird.
On a related note however I've always wondered is the onus on the player of a character that can be an ass if another player gets upset over fictional barbs or vitriol exchanged? Or is self-censorship required in the spirit of RP harmony? I don't know, I find it hard to get offended personally as a player by what characters might say.
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Gessenier is awesome since it shows another kind of the usual gallente. Like Hans Nardieu.
Silas is awesome simply because she is one of the very few amarrian characters playing the "superior/arrogant" card everywhere while still remaining perfectly credible and sure of herself. The character has depth, which is cool and rare enough to be noted.
To answer your question I also have to deal with that kind of feelings. The main issue with Lyn is that I did not create her like I usually do, defining a core background and a set of original features to have a coherent model to work with. I started the game with almost no knowledge of the lore, created a character because it was apparently better to choose a character that could min-max in perception/willpower. Discovered the lore slowly as soon as I started to get involved in a little RP here and there. And then I started to built the character according to what happened in space and what seemed best at the time.
The result is that firstly, I will never do the same mistake again, and secondly a very convoluted character with features adding to a pile of previous features that sometimes break its coherence (or just makes the character unbelievable). I regularly have to clean up all of this and it can get really annoying really fast. This is why I almost dream again of simpler, original and clean-cut characters (with depth ofc) where everything is not messy, which are usually the most efficient ones on the long run.
Since I created Lyn as it came over the years, and eventually had to retcon things to create that coherent core of background at a moment (which I did), it often tends to make her think and behave like I do RL, but in a very exagerated fashion when it happens. This is mostly why I feel bad when I am being through her on the IGS (mostly), since she is completely different in flesh ingame. If she were a whole different character that does not share a lot with me, I would be totally OK with it. Here though there is something awkward.
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On a related note however I've always wondered is the onus on the player of a character that can be an ass if another player gets upset over fictional barbs or vitriol exchanged? Or is self-censorship required in the spirit of RP harmony? I don't know, I find it hard to get offended personally as a player by what characters might say.
I think like just about everything in RP the answer is, depends on the case. I think Nat's point about a player talking to people OOCly if their character is behaving offensively is a good one - not that one should self-censor one's character for fluffy kitten RP but that if you are playing your character as someone who upsets people, it's sensible to take a few extra precautions about IC/OOC bleedthrough. In fact, I've felt the need to do that several times over the past few days with one of my characters, despite the RP in question being with players I've known OOCly and ICly on several characters over several years - just to be sure.
The real problems, in my experience, arise when the player of the ass-character is the same in OOC as in IC interactions. (This is not a remark on the OP or any posters in this thread) I personally find it very difficult to avoid taking OOC offence at a character being a dick if the player is also being the same brand of dick in OOC channels and/or forums. If your character is a homophobe, for example, and you're shitting up my OOC channels with remarks about faggots, I'm not going to be able to consider your character's homophobia as 'just RP, no hard feelings'. When the character becomes the vehicle for the player's desire to insult or troll without having to deal with the consequences because 'it's just IC', I think a little self-censorship is called for - as well as a little soul-searching.
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On a related note however I've always wondered is the onus on the player of a character that can be an ass if another player gets upset over fictional barbs or vitriol exchanged? Or is self-censorship required in the spirit of RP harmony? I don't know, I find it hard to get offended personally as a player by what characters might say.
Just to be clear, I wasn't OOC offended by Zag, I just found it difficult to have a conversation with him. There were no points of discussion that I remember, just him declaring the way the world was (or should be) and then telling me I was wrong if I tried to disagree.
OOC, no problem. IC, why would I talk to that person?
Other than that, I agree with Ciarente's post, and I'd say a bit more OOC discussion can make IC dickishness a lot less of a problem.
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I Sometimes find the opposite, where LESS ooc discussion actually improves my RP quite a bit. I try to stay out of many OOC channels full of RPers (as opposed to ooc channels full of non-rpers that I frequent often).
Now I've gotten to know quite a few of you pretty well OOC, but I look back with fond memories to years past when I was super-duper strict about avoiding OOC with roleplayers, and doing as much as possible to stay IC with them 100%. It really increased my immersion, at least with enemies.
Not knowing WHO was behind my IC friends and enemies made things very interesting.
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Yes, it's definitely a thing. Part of this may relate to the IC/OOC break in that while many of our characters would have people to socialize with IC, OOC it is easy to end up feeling isolated and bored by lack of RP.
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Not knowing WHO was behind my IC friends and enemies made things very interesting.
it also keeps enthusiasm high. Because you don't get the whole "oh btw, it's (name)" thing, or the "oh, it's you again" thing.
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On a related note however I've always wondered is the onus on the player of a character that can be an ass if another player gets upset over fictional barbs or vitriol exchanged? Or is self-censorship required in the spirit of RP harmony? I don't know, I find it hard to get offended personally as a player by what characters might say.
On a number of occasions, people have sent me an OOC note when their character has had IC had friction with Makkal. This happened frequently when I first started and has steadily declined. I don't think there's an 'onus' but it doesn't hurt, especially if someone is new to the game and might not get the IC/OOC separation necessary.
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On a related note however I've always wondered is the onus on the player of a character that can be an ass if another player gets upset over fictional barbs or vitriol exchanged? Or is self-censorship required in the spirit of RP harmony? I don't know, I find it hard to get offended personally as a player by what characters might say.
On a number of occasions, people have sent me an OOC note when their character has had IC had friction with Makkal. This happened frequently when I first started and has steadily declined. I don't think there's an 'onus' but it doesn't hurt, especially if someone is new to the game and might not get the IC/OOC separation necessary.
Perhaps case by case, but I'm much less worried these days about drama in general caused by game actions.
So long as the actions are consistant with our character and aren't ooc trolling, etc.
Internet Space Pixels.
This is something I used to worry a lot about, wardeccing other RP corps, blowing people up, podding, etc. I eventually came to the realization that none of it is a big deal.
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Contrary to popular opinion (and a handful of people here can claim so), Seriphyn is not actually a full-time ass. Sometimes he's an ass, sometimes he's not, just like we IRL are sometimes asses, sometimes not. It's just human dynamics.
Some people play like that, which is cool, but I actually don't. Just Seriphyn has no reason to be polite and all nice/kiss-kiss in places like the IGS/Summit. Those who have interacted him "in the flesh" will have a different opinion of him.
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Being able to create a character and play said character who you cannot see eye-to-eye with and flat out despise at times is a joy.
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I've found playing an Amarr that doesn't just yell heathen, heretic, blasphemy and slave at everyone all the time can become very tiresome as well.
That doesn't just yell heathen/heretic/blasphemy/slave? Personally, I've found it quite refreshing to play an Khanid that's not just a 'hothead fundamentalist' stereotype. That tends to get old after the third round of 'silence, lesser being'.
Seriously, a lot of the Amarr/Khanid RP I've seen leans towards a one-dimensional 'Religion is everything I talk about. I made Evelyn so at least one Khanid character would have some depth. :)
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I've found playing an Amarr that doesn't just yell heathen, heretic, blasphemy and slave at everyone all the time can become very tiresome as well.
That doesn't just yell heathen/heretic/blasphemy/slave? Personally, I've found it quite refreshing to play an Khanid that's not just a 'hothead fundamentalist' stereotype. That tends to get old after the third round of 'silence, lesser being'.
Seriously, a lot of the Amarr/Khanid RP I've seen leans towards a one-dimensional 'Religion is everything I talk about. I made Evelyn so at least one Khanid character would have some depth. :)
Erm.. Look up the East Khanid Trading alliance sometime.
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Long time ass checking in to give props to Silas, it's a shame we never ran into each other more.
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Danke, good sir.
We don't hear enough from PIE these days! Do some IC-write ups about glorious campaigns in null-sec :P
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Well, you'll certainly start hearing more from us in the near future. Personally I'll be busy as hell till december. It's a shame that the loyalists lost you to the less elite non-amarr crowd btw :(
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Well, you'll certainly start hearing more from us in the near future. Personally I'll be busy as hell till december. It's a shame that the loyalists lost you to the less elite non-amarr crowd btw :(
Less elite what now?
And more PIE pronouncements are good things.
If there were any sizable loyalist groups in my area they would engaged, don't worry :/
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Since I'm too busy nosing around much - what area are we talking about? :p
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"It's a shame that the loyalists lost you to the less elite non-amarr crowd btw "
That statement confused me?
Also not sure :)
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"It's a shame that the loyalists lost you to the less elite non-amarr crowd btw "
That statement confused me?
Also not sure :)
Nothing to be confused about Silar. It should be widely known on this forum that I regard hardcore-amarr-loyalist-RP'ers as the cream of the crop :yar:
Although, admittedly, I do have a weak spot for every character who is not BFF with everyone they run into :cube:
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Being a full-time ass is a way to go in a wargame!
Besides, the goal of diplomacy in EVE is making enemies. :twisted:
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I've always found it rather difficult to keep a character as an ass, especially in EVE. In other games I have a bit more leeway in allowing myself to play a jerk, but in EVE I really don't. In those other games I can usually hold my own should things have more involved in-game consequences. Yet here in EVE, my glaring failure at each and every attempt to shoot other people seems to have influenced my demeanor. I sometimes wonder if Uraniae would be as nice as she is if I could actually "back it up" in space.
So I guess I can't really comment on the "tired of being a jerk" bit. Though I do occasionally get tired of "having to be reasonable."
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Being a full-time ass is a way to go in a wargame!
Actually it's not, if you really live up to that quote you must be one hell of a TFG. :psyccp:
It's one thing to roleplay an asshole, but be a perfectly cordial person out of character - being a fulltime asshole irl is not really something to be proud of.
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It does require a bit of 1984 double think, and really keeping a reminder going that it's just internet space pixels, I shouldn't feel bad for making the little grey line turn into a little red line, or causing IC stress for others, etc.
I loves all of you ooc (well most of you ;0 )
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It does require a bit of 1984 double think, and really keeping a reminder going that it's just internet space pixels, I shouldn't feel bad for making the little grey line turn into a little red line, or causing IC stress for others, etc.
I loves all of you ooc (well most of you ;0 )
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ9mlBWY0oIKxRf6jPOLSjPjJ87bM0GdPoO556Es1WhOLAcQss-yA) Oh, don't you worry, we love you too darling.
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I keel your ponies. And bathe in their blood. :evil:
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It does require a bit of 1984 double think, and really keeping a reminder going that it's just internet space pixels, I shouldn't feel bad for making the little grey line turn into a little red line, or causing IC stress for others, etc.
I loves all of you ooc (well most of you ;0 )
People just have to stfu ofc, but after so many years of that so special eve epeen contests and testosterone filled smacks just for the sake of provoking tears, I have to admit it got very wearisome and tends to eventually get on to one's nerves due to the sheer stupidity of a lot of people.
And sometimes makes people that do not usually care so much about want to leave the game to breath a little. And when they come back like me to see how the game is, they find it so disgusting that they wonder why it took so many years for them to notice in the first place.
- Of course I am refering to OOC full time asses, nothing to do with IC assholes -
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(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-aczPPoSPk8M/TjNXXA9py7I/AAAAAAAAAFc/HDclW59ZUag/s45/fluttershy_happy.png)You're right of course Lyn. But you might want to put your ammendment in front of what you are saying because it might offend people. Not that I feel offended of course, I don't, but some people might.
Please keep in mind that Silas was starting the thread about IC people who're... who're... um... mean and not about people who are horrid out of character.
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(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-aczPPoSPk8M/TjNXXA9py7I/AAAAAAAAAFc/HDclW59ZUag/s45/fluttershy_happy.png)You're right of course Lyn. But you might want to put your ammendment in front of what you are saying because it might offend people. Not that I feel offended of course, I don't, but some people might.
Please keep in mind that Silas was starting the thread about IC people who're... who're... um... mean and not about people who are horrid out of character.
Might want to change that font colour Laerise, as for those of us with the white background it is completely invisible.
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(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-aczPPoSPk8M/TjNXXA9py7I/AAAAAAAAAFc/HDclW59ZUag/s45/fluttershy_happy.png)You're right of course Lyn. But you might want to put your ammendment in front of what you are saying because it might offend people. Not that I feel offended of course, I don't, but some people might.
Please keep in mind that Silas was starting the thread about IC people who're... who're... um... mean and not about people who are horrid out of character.
Might want to change that font colour Laerise, as for those of us with the white background it is completely invisible.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-aczPPoSPk8M/TjNXXA9py7I/AAAAAAAAAFc/HDclW59ZUag/s45/fluttershy_happy.png)Oh, um, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to cause any trouble for anyone... :(
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Somehow I find myself doubtful of your claim.
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Somehow I find myself doubtful of your claim.
Your lack of faith in Laerise's claims don't make them any more or less true.
Preffer the grey forum colorz myself, so no problems of that kind.