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EVE-Online RP Discussion and Resources => EVE OOC Summit => Topic started by: Senn Typhos on 20 May 2010, 06:56
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Well, much fun as I've had buzzing around in these forums, I've been having a lot more fun tiptoeing my way through low and nullsec in-game. I'm nearly at 2mil SP, had my first tastes of PvP (which were miserable failures, but still enjoyable... came close to killing a Tristan yesterday... damn drones and their thermal damage :bash:), and now mining and missioning just look boring by comparison.
Trouble is, there seems to only be a limited number of ways to sate your bloodlust in EVE. While the FW and wardec PvP systems sound relatively fun, I'm now having to fight off the pang in the back of my mind telling me that rather than waiting for the bounty hunter system to become more effective, my lone-wolf aggression should be aimed at the art of the ransom.
I've looked over the pros and cons, understood the aggression timer and security loss systems, know the risks of being relegated to lowsec and being at odds with every other pilot in the game. Please, someone steer me back towards the light and tell me why this is a bad decision. >>
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Join Nation instead. XD
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That's the opposite of helping! :O
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As long as you become a pirate who actually behaves like a bloody murderer, I'd be okay with it :P
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honor ransom always... now GO
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If you want to fly solo and do PVP, then piracy is the way to go. As much as I hate them, I recognize the importance of pirates to the game. The are the black to my white, so to speak. I mean, without the Sith, would the Jedi be as cool?
There is an allure to being the bad guy, too. When I did pen and paper role playing, I was usually the Dungeon Master so I got to play the villain most of the time. Depending on your personality you can really chew some scenery in RP-ing ne'er-do-wells.
Something to consider about going it alone though: the most effective pirates hunt in groups. There are no shortage of pirate corps, just check the recruitment forum on the Eve-O web site and you'll find plenty.
And finally, if you'd like PVP with a moral compass, however, you might look for an anti-pirate corp. Not to turn this into a recruitment ad, but my combat pilots get daily PVP experience going after the scum of the universe.
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And this is why I prefer null-sec. You can still pirate there, it's just harder in some ways, easier in others. ...or do a bit of both. :P
Not the only way to have a go at the more solo playstyle, but it's easier to manage than doing the whole wars thing. FW would be decent for it really.
Also yes, WTB better bounty hunting system.
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Why convince you not to be a pirate? They help keep the demand going that makes ISK for me!
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Bad boys gets all the girls.....enough said...
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I wish I had you people around when I was making all my life choices. <3
I mean, in terms of in-character stuff, a tube kid from a defunct growing facility, desperate for money, self-sufficient attitude, no real political ties... sounds like a pirate in the making to me. More like Big Chris from Lock, Stock. (Anyone? Guy Ritchie fans? <raises hand).
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2 mil SP? And *checks profile*... 1 month, 13 days. How much of the game have you experianced so far? Normally to get into a pirate corp that is in null-sec, you would need at least 10-15 mil SP at minimum just so you have enough combat, defensive, and all-around surivival skills (along with the experiance in gametime getting there) to have a chance of lasting out there. It would be a fair and conversative statement to say to take in what EVE has to offer in high and some low-sec until you got at least six months (up to a year) under your belt. Take it in a bit at a time.
Have you looked into the industry/research fields? Exploration with probes? Have you gotten to being able to fly battlecruisers or battleships and getting done L3-4 missions? PLEXs or COSMOS missions? Play the market? There is plenty of things to do without resorting to pirating, and those are to name of the few. When you do those, you'll have a better understanding of what type of corp you truly wish to be in as well.
Finally, if you haven't already, develop all the skills in the Learning branch. It may be boring on the offset as it doesn't give you new abilities or new ships to try out, but investing in them early on making the rate you learn everything else that much faster.
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2 mil SP? And *checks profile*... 1 month, 13 days. How much of the game have you experianced so far? Normally to get into a pirate corp that is in null-sec, you would need at least 10-15 mil SP at minimum just so you have enough combat, defensive, and all-around surivival skills (along with the experiance in gametime getting there) to have a chance of lasting out there. It would be a fair and conversative statement to say to take in what EVE has to offer in high and some low-sec until you got at least six months (up to a year) under your belt. Take it in a bit at a time.
Have you looked into the industry/research fields? Exploration with probes? Have you gotten to being able to fly battlecruisers or battleships and getting done L3-4 missions? PLEXs or COSMOS missions? Play the market? There is plenty of things to do without resorting to pirating, and those are to name of the few. When you do those, you'll have a better understanding of what type of corp you truly wish to be in as well.
Finally, if you haven't already, develop all the skills in the Learning branch. It may be boring on the offset as it doesn't give you new abilities or new ships to try out, but investing in them early on making the rate you learn everything else that much faster.
Well, I got all my learning skulls up to rank 3, which has a payoff - if I remember correctly - of a few months, rather than rank 5 which pays off in one year. I've skilled up to rank 4 and had great experiences with probing ships, made most of my money off of salvaging/hacking. Been through lowsec with my probing ship, learned some early Minmatar ships on the way...
What I'm getting at here is, I'm not suggesting I'm planning on becoming a pirate today. What I'm suggesting is that in preliminary reading through forums, guides, 101 videos, etc. piracy looks like an appealing option. I'm severely aware of my lack of SP and experience flying, hence why I'm still running missions and stacking ISK for the road ahead. Thus far, the most fun I've had is in the exploration field, and my brief forays into low and null. I'm only extrapolating.
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Don't let the naysayers fool you: even at this point, you have ways to be useful to a corp, though not everyone will take you. Find one that accepts newer pilots and will help you learn the Ways of the Yarr via scouting, tackling, EWAR, etc.
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Don't let the naysayers fool you: even at this point, you have ways to be useful to a corp, though not everyone will take you. Find one that accepts newer pilots and will help you learn the Ways of the Yarr via scouting, tackling, EWAR, etc.
Sounds like one of those self achievment courses....
Bottomline, this i eve. Do whatever you like. I know several players that have gone to nullsec very early on and with very low sp. Of course they had it hard and had to struggle for abit bu they still found it fun.
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Piracy is so cliche these days.
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Piracy is so cliche these days.
Yeah, that's one of the things keeping me on the edge of skepticism. 'Course, ISK is ISK... original work or not. And I'm very fond of ISK.
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It's also hard, in terms of earning ISK. Just something to be aware of.
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Just start using 'aggressive business tactics' :D
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It's also hard, in terms of earning ISK. Just something to be aware of.
Most certainly. But I read somewhere that people start going insane if their work isn't challenging. Something about stimulating neuron pathways.
Hell, challenge is part of why this game impressed me so much. :O
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That's the opposite of helping! :O
Lies. I am a helper. People constantly tell me so.
Most certainly. But I read somewhere that people start going insane if their work isn't challenging. Something about stimulating neuron pathways.
Indeed it does. I'm pretty much well beyond that point already.
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I like pirates. They're so much fun to not get caught by.
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So... what do you mean by piracy? Sitting on a gate camp and hitting whatever comes through, blowing it to hell or do you mean grabbing whatever comes through, ransoming it or demanding it drop its cargo?
In general there are a lot of "pirates." They spend most of their pvp time... fighting other "pirates." The folks that are not pirates and live in low sec/null sec use stuff to avoid pirates. I can not speak to how they earn isk - whether piracy actually is profitable (queue Veto members for input).
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So... what do you mean by piracy? Sitting on a gate camp and hitting whatever comes through, blowing it to hell or do you mean grabbing whatever comes through, ransoming it or demanding it drop its cargo?
In general there are a lot of "pirates." They spend most of their pvp time... fighting other "pirates." The folks that are not pirates and live in low sec/null sec use stuff to avoid pirates. I can not speak to how they earn isk - whether piracy actually is profitable (queue Veto members for input).
Honestly, the very concept of a gate camp makes me yawn. All the elements of PvP I enjoy - the speed, the necessary skill of the pilot, the chance of success or failure - they're all taken away when you're standing still with 10 other people aiming guns at the same piece of space. Boring. :mad:
I suppose since my favorite ships thus far are the frigates (I'm kind of in love with dogfighting), it sort of steers me away from that in the first place.
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To be fair, you sometimes get pretty interesting fights when people try to bust gatecamps. Kinda few and far between, though.
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Confirming I enjoy tracking down a target with directional scanner and blowing him to smithereens and attempting to ransom pod more then any other type of PvP.
Have attempted to ransom ships, but people seem obstinant/unwilling to negotiate while still in their vessel. Also people are grouchy after losing this vessel and now unwilling to pay anyway. Needless to say I haven't got a lot of successful ransoms so far.
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Confirming I enjoy tracking down a target with directional scanner and blowing him to smithereens and attempting to ransom pod more then any other type of PvP.
Have attempted to ransom ships, but people seem obstinant/unwilling to negotiate while still in their vessel. Also people are grouchy after losing this vessel and now unwilling to pay anyway. Needless to say I haven't got a lot of successful ransoms so far.
Well, the PvP part is the part I'm interested in. I can make like, 40mil a week with my small-time salvaging, my Rifter build only costs 600K... the ransoms are really just for the fun of intense and hostile negotiations with some colorful language and a few threats.
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There are a few RP pirate corps out there, and some anti pirate RP corps as well. You might also want to look into FW the system itself is kinda flawed but it is good for PVP or so Im told.
And yeah, dont let anyone tell ya you wouldnt be useful as long as you can tackle and dont mind dying alot of places will hire you. Most dont mind teaching you the ropes as long as youre willing to learn em.
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whether piracy actually is profitable (queue Veto members for input).
It isn't very profitable, but it is very fun. Most of us make the isk by doing things like exploration, etc, when we're NOT yarring our faces off. Admittedly, sometimes you get a nice ransom - and that certainly helps ^^
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Chicks dig pirates 8)
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If this thread keeps up, I'll end up going back to a PvP playstyle myself. >.<
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If this thread keeps up, I'll end up going back to a PvP playstyle myself. >.<
Oh, what've I done. :O
In all fairness, if I were a more market-savvy man, I would probably see the excitement in playing the economy, or going into heavy industry. Either way, you get to crush your opposition if you use your head. I'm just slightly better at scavenging and combat.
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Well, they aren't mutually exclusive. (Paging Verone)
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Remember, just because you go red flashy and make other people kerplode, it doesn't necessarily make you a 'pirate'. Your motivations will determine this.
'Piracy' is often an over-used generalized term used by people who refuse to acknowledge they have political enemies or those who aren't concerned with rp immersion.
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Just from the topic name I can tell you really want to be a pirate.
Unfortunatly there is no real reason for you not to be one. There are some great corps out there for you to join, and from what I have heard it is a great lifesyle to lead.
Just remember that small scale PvP in low sec is NOT the same as being a pirate. Both take place in low sec and involve going flashy, but the motivations driving the combat are different. There are many corps and alliances who classify themselves as PvP corps which opperate in low sec, which dont view themselves as "pirates", just people looking for some Pew Pew.
If you want YAAAR my advice would be to look into the genuine corps which classify themselves as true pirates.
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Don't be a pirate because:
- Investment/Reward: The amount of time you invest in piracy (hunting/manoeuvering) versus the time you spend in combat that you can 'win' (destroy ships) and gain something (loot) is skewed. It is a terrible investment of your RL. Imagine spending an hour hunting and only having 1-2 minutes of glee, with 4-5 'near misses' as people use countermeasures. Some people find that worthwhile, I would rather enjoy a higher % of my invested time.
- Income security: I don't have the RL isk to invest in an alt, and don't like bleeding isk for GTCs (personal preference). Sure, you could run low sec missions, npc or live off loot (amongst other protection rackets you might want to set up), but income is an issue on your mind. An active pirate may expect to have higher living expenses than other professions.
- Transferability: One day you'll get bored of piracy. It may take some time to become transferable (reputation, security status), and then to PVP corps (which, if you're bored of piracy, is essentially the same thing).
- [mod]Please do not insult other players' playstyles[/mod].
- Intellectual baseness: If spreading misery is your aim, [mod]Please do not insult other players' playstyles [/mod]. A pirate can only do 'so much'. An evil mastermind in a 'legit' looking corporation with a penchant for engaging in skulduggery (while covering it up with impressive PR) may be more appealing, particularly if your recruitment process involves checking how long they can tolerate holding a little finger in a vat of acid, just for kicks. Basically being evil without 'announcing it to the world' as 'just another pirate corp'. The pirate corp route has been run again and again, don't stick to stereotypes - create a new kind of evil.
Anyway, I hope you consider these options.
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Don't be a pirate, be a criminal instead.
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The amount of time you invest in piracy (hunting/manoeuvering) versus the time you spend in combat that you can 'win' (destroy ships) and gain something (loot) is skewed. It is a terrible investment of your RL
I'm sorry, but this is crap.
If you're having fun -- how can one claim it is a terrible investment?
Let's face it, video games are entirely about wasting time. That's why we play them. We have time we want to waste in a way we enjoy.
If you're having fun being a pirate/killer/miner/whatever then by all means do so.
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The amount of time you invest in piracy (hunting/manoeuvering) versus the time you spend in combat that you can 'win' (destroy ships) and gain something (loot) is skewed. It is a terrible investment of your RL
I'm sorry, but this is crap.
If you're having fun -- how can one claim it is a terrible investment?
Let's face it, video games are entirely about wasting time. That's why we play them. We have time we want to waste in a way we enjoy.
If you're having fun being a pirate/killer/miner/whatever then by all means do so.
It's crap from the point of view of a veteran pirate? I'm not surprised.
I must say it does come down to what people find fun. I don't find piracy fun because I find it a poor investment of my time (i.e. reward vs time investment). I don't feel I'm achieving anything during the 'search time'. Naturally, that's an opinion. Some people enjoy spending time roaming looking for viable targets. I interpret the reward in piracy to be the end result - kills and terror.
I repeat - it's an opinion. Trade on the other hand, from my point of view, can be extremely efficient time investment - every single click is creating a measurable, predicatable positive effect on your isk if you know what you are doing, which you can then use for your nefarious designs. Not a single unproductive minute, with a dependable reward-time investment. I did get tired of 'patrols' that resulted in 15-20 jumps and 1 'worthless' kill, but that may have been partly a factor of my ROE. The kill itself would net loot value that could be recouped in a fraction of the time through other means...
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Don't be a pirate, be a criminal instead.
Naka, what sorts of things do you recommend in that vein? I can think of a few but I'm interested in the perspective of somebody who pursues it more regularly. :)
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It's crap from the point of view of a veteran pirate? I'm not surprised.
I should qualify the statement. It's not the statement that you feel it's a waste of time that is crap. It's a statement that it's a waste of time for people that is crap. If one finds it quite enjoyable, then that is not a waste of their time.
To make a corollary -- I consider mining to be a waste of time. However I don't tell people that it's bad use of their RL time simply because I think it's boring as hell.
Does that make sense?
I think what we have here is primarily I took to disagreement with the way you put the idea forth, not the idea itself.
I must say it does come down to what people find fun. I don't find piracy fun because I find it a poor investment of my time (i.e. reward vs time investment). I don't feel I'm achieving anything during the 'search time'. Naturally, that's an opinion. Some people enjoy spending time roaming looking for viable targets. I interpret the reward in piracy to be the end result - kills and terror.
That's just it though. For some of us, the "Hunt" is the part that's fun. The kill is easy. You go into the fight knowing you will get the kill. It's stalking your prey that is the real enjoying factor -- and this I believe is where the difference comes in.
Shooting a deer isn't fun. It's really easy to do and anyone with even the most basic firearm skill can do it. The prep work, the hunt, the stalking -- that's why Hunting is fun.
I repeat - it's an opinion. Trade on the other hand, from my point of view, can be extremely efficient time investment - every single click is creating a measurable, predicatable positive effect on your isk if you know what you are doing, which you can then use for your nefarious designs. Not a single unproductive minute, with a dependable reward-time investment. I did get tired of 'patrols' that resulted in 15-20 jumps and 1 'worthless' kill, but that may have been partly a factor of my ROE. The kill itself would net loot value that could be recouped in a fraction of the time through other means...
...but is it fun? That's the question.
Sure, it's a more efficient way to make isk, but is that why you play the game? Just to make isk?
That's what I was disagreeing with, btw, I figured it out. I was disagreeing with the idea that if you're not making isk every time you do anything you're not efficiently using your RL time.
I think that is crap, and I also think that is something that burns people out on EVE.
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I repeat - it's an opinion. Trade on the other hand, from my point of view, can be extremely efficient time investment - every single click is creating a measurable, predicatable positive effect on your isk if you know what you are doing, which you can then use for your nefarious designs. Not a single unproductive minute, with a dependable reward-time investment. I did get tired of 'patrols' that resulted in 15-20 jumps and 1 'worthless' kill, but that may have been partly a factor of my ROE. The kill itself would net loot value that could be recouped in a fraction of the time through other means...
...but is it fun? That's the question.
Sure, it's a more efficient way to make isk, but is that why you play the game? Just to make isk?
That's what I was disagreeing with, btw, I figured it out. I was disagreeing with the idea that if you're not making isk every time you do anything you're not efficiently using your RL time.
I think that is crap, and I also think that is something that burns people out on EVE.
I agree with the other bits of your posts, I think we understand each other.
I think it would be good to take this to a different thread as we're risking a derail here 8)
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Actually, I can tell you why I've never been a pirate (though Naqam might count. honestly :P) - I want to have it as an option if I get tired of other stuff. Save some of the more interesting gameplay in case I need something new.
OFC, 7 years in and it hasn't gotten to that point yet. :D
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Piracy is so cliche these days.
So is breathing but you don't see people hatin'. 8)
The only reason not to go pirate in my opinion is if you are a bit unsure about the RP angle you want to take in Eve. You could say that's how I was at the start of my stint in the game, but the reason I came to Eve in the first place was to be a space pirate so there really was no option for me. It was a known factor even before I knew anything at all about my character.
Later on I would realize that my character would now forever be tainted with the history of piracy. That's not really all that bad because I've kind of made that my thing, unless you would happen to want to take your character in some wildly different RP direction. In that case, a history of piracy might kinda soil your attempts.
This is related to one of my pet peeves in Eve, roleplaying-wise. People fly from one thing to the other with such alarming ADHD abandon that the in-game histories of some folks really don't make any sense at all. It grates on my suspension of disbelief. So, if you're gonna be one of those dudes... consider avoiding piracy for now. It's easier to go from good guy to pirate than the other way around anyway.
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Holy crap it's a GoGo.
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Well, they aren't mutually exclusive. (Paging Verone)
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whether piracy actually is profitable (queue Veto members for input).
It isn't very profitable, but it is very fun. Most of us make the isk by doing things like exploration, etc, when we're NOT yarring our faces off. Admittedly, sometimes you get a nice ransom - and that certainly helps ^^
That's because you're still learning and spend a lot of time playing as your alt... when we batter you into shape completely you'll see that piracy is a good source of income when you dedicate the time to it.
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I'm of the opinion that I'd need to be competent (by my definitions) before I could even consider being a pirate. I'm pretty sure I could rock a lace-up front corset and all, but could I even walk in those boots? I don't think so! And parrots? Those loud fuckers ... did I ever tell y'all about the time one attacked me and I had to fight it off with a skillet? No? Well, I did, and I've got scars, and...
...yeah. In all seriousness, even if I believed I was competent enough PvPwise (and had the time/ability to do it properly, like being in fleets and on Vent and shit), I'd have to do some hardcore storywork before any of my characters could even consider piracy as a profession1.
Here's where I get around to saying -- Senn, the bits of the backstory you've shown us do seem conducive to someone who'd go pirate for the perceived easy money. If you agree, and you think you'd enjoy it, go for it!
1Even if Vieve and Kyoko were actually having pyjama parties.
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I'm of the opinion that I'd need to be competent (by my definitions) before I could even consider being a pirate. I'm pretty sure I could rock a lace-up front corset and all, but could I even walk in those boots?
Unlike the song, the purpose of those boots isn't "walking," exactly. >.>
And Senn seems to have taken Naka's advice. \o/
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That's because you're still learning and spend a lot of time playing as your alt... when we batter you into shape completely you'll see that piracy is a good source of income when you dedicate the time to it.
Indulge me, if you please. Could we define a 'good source of income' - perhaps with a suggested figure, or comparison to other methods of generating revenue? Time investment vs reward perhaps?
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I don't know their exact numbers, but I do know that when I got nabbed by a veto squad last (like years ago :P ) it only took them about 7 minutes and they made 80mil on the ransom to save me from having to spend 150mil to replace the ship.
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I don't know their exact numbers, but I do know that when I got nabbed by a veto squad last (like years ago :P ) it only took them about 7 minutes and they made 80mil on the ransom to save me from having to spend 150mil to replace the ship.
Good example. How many pilots were involved in the squad (for division of profit)? How many other ransoms/loot proceeds did the group receive during that roam, and how long did the roam last?
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I can't answer the second two questions, but there were 6 of them.
Though again, as we started discussing in the other thread that you stopped responding to, if the individual is having fun I don't see what diff it makes how much isk they made.
Tbh, I actually had a blast evading them before they got me. And even then it was a fun little bit of RP with the gangleader as we negotiated the ransom.
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I can't answer the second two questions, but there were 6 of them.
Though again, as we started discussing in the other thread that you stopped responding to, if the individual is having fun I don't see what diff it makes how much isk they made.
Tbh, I actually had a blast evading them before they got me. And even then it was a fun little bit of RP with the gangleader as we negotiated the ransom.
I've got to gather the energy to continue responding to that other thread - I accept that there still is material to cover. Those that know me know that I have a habit of starting more things than I finish... :lol:
Your points are correct. The matter I am specifically meaning to address here is notions of how good a way this is to make isk. Opportunity to make money is not a motivating factor to choose piracy as a way of playing, imo.
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The matter I am specifically meaning to address here is notions of how good a way this is to make isk. Opportunity to make money is not a motivating factor to choose piracy as a way of playing, imo.
Agreed -- but can it make enough money to sustain the playstyle? That's the real question I ask myself.
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The matter I am specifically meaning to address here is notions of how good a way this is to make isk. Opportunity to make money is not a motivating factor to choose piracy as a way of playing, imo.
Agreed -- but can it make enough money to sustain the playstyle? That's the real question I ask myself.
It definitely 'can'. This begs the question - how good do you need to be, how much financial investment is required, whether you need to and who you need to work with to succeed, and how much time you need to invest on average, must you join an existing group or can you start de novo?
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From what I've gleaned: Solo you can't really do well enough to sustain it. Most solo-gank/ransomers seem to use missions or ratting to fund their piracy, much like many nullsec alliances use missions/ratting/industry alts to fund their PvP.
Though if you have good groups -- not even big ones, 4-8 usually works great from what I've seen from VETO, and from my times rampaging through ASCN space in nullsec back in my True core days -- you can hit pretty much any target you want on a whim, so you don't spend anywhere near as much time on the hunt as you do on the "Give me all of your isk or we blow up your ship and use the contents for income".
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From what I've gleaned: Solo you can't really do well enough to sustain it. Most solo-gank/ransomers seem to use missions or ratting to fund their piracy, much like many nullsec alliances use missions/ratting/industry alts to fund their PvP.
Though if you have good groups -- not even big ones, 4-8 usually works great from what I've seen from VETO, and from my times rampaging through ASCN space in nullsec back in my True core days -- you can hit pretty much any target you want on a whim, so you don't spend anywhere near as much time on the hunt as you do on the "Give me all of your isk or we blow up your ship and use the contents for income".
I respect what you are saying, but I must comment that the EvE piracy experience has changed dramatically since the days ASCN was around, mainly in that the general ability of the population has increased. What of recent pirating experiences?
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More skillpoints != More ability.
It really hasn't changed.
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I have a lot of friends involved in piracy, and they claim frequently that it's changed for a number of reasons (factional warfare roaming fleets / blogs, nihilism rather than ransoming, etc.)
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Holy crap it's a GoGo.
Indeed it is!
Oh, and Veroooooone.. you still have to answer me in that other thread (http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=525.0). The women of Eve are dying to know about your penis.
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Well, much fun as I've had buzzing around in these forums, I've been having a lot more fun tiptoeing my way through low and nullsec in-game. I'm nearly at 2mil SP, had my first tastes of PvP (which were miserable failures, but still enjoyable... came close to killing a Tristan yesterday... damn drones and their thermal damage :bash:), and now mining and missioning just look boring by comparison.
Trouble is, there seems to only be a limited number of ways to sate your bloodlust in EVE. While the FW and wardec PvP systems sound relatively fun, I'm now having to fight off the pang in the back of my mind telling me that rather than waiting for the bounty hunter system to become more effective, my lone-wolf aggression should be aimed at the art of the ransom.
I've looked over the pros and cons, understood the aggression timer and security loss systems, know the risks of being relegated to lowsec and being at odds with every other pilot in the game. Please, someone steer me back towards the light and tell me why this is a bad decision. >>
Don't do it yet.
In my pre-VETO/PRETA days, the corp I was in was in two halves - one which carebeared it up in Providence under CVA, and one half that went and yarred in Molden Heath. I know some people disagree with me, and it was the subject of a few heated debates in GF, but I'm a firm believer that you shouldn't go into piracy until you've got about six months under your belt, three or four at minimum. It sucks for making money most of the time (sure there are exceptions, but it's unreliable at best), and when you're starting out, you'll go through ships fast.
Is it a blast? Hell yeah. But it's not for the fresh-out-of-the-academy. Have you thought about somewhere like Eve Uni? I've never dealt with them, but you hear plenty of good things, and I seem to recall they give you free frigates and such to take a little of the financial strain off.
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In my pre-VETO/PRETA days, the corp I was in was in two halves - one which carebeared it up in Providence under CVA, and one half that went and yarred in Molden Heath. I know some people disagree with me, and it was the subject of a few heated debates in GF, but I'm a firm believer that you shouldn't go into piracy until you've got about six months under your belt, three or four at minimum. It sucks for making money most of the time (sure there are exceptions, but it's unreliable at best), and when you're starting out, you'll go through ships fast.
Is it a blast? Hell yeah. But it's not for the fresh-out-of-the-academy. Have you thought about somewhere like Eve Uni? I've never dealt with them, but you hear plenty of good things, and I seem to recall they give you free frigates and such to take a little of the financial strain off.
I do partly agree with the sentiment, but if you plan on only using frigates and the occasional cruiser (I would advice frigates really - they're cheap as salad, they really teach you the basic principles of piracy and you can also be useful in a gang with more experienced players/characters, if you end up in one). Flying anything more substantial does take some skill points and not the least some actual skill because losing them does hurt more.
Depending on your temperament, just plunging head first into it and going out there trying can be the best way to learn and become a mean pirate. I've seen noobs just two weeks out of chargen (the old chargen too, mind you) turn into frankly intimidating things very quickly by doing exactly that. Myself.. I took a bit more time, but mostly because I hadn't homed in on a decent way to earn ISK to recoup losses. I took a lot more time before getting into a battleship and pirating (frankly because I believe you ain't really flying a battleship unless you got some basic skills maxed out when you jump into one - you're just flying a half-powered, half-used chunk of metal).
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Double post, sorry!
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EVE UNI will teach you bad habits that will cause you trouble for a long time. Stay away. ;)