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EVE-Online RP Discussion and Resources => EVE OOC Summit => Topic started by: Casiella on 04 Nov 2010, 14:42
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Occasionally, I see questions from EVE players who want to get involved in RP. They may have never RPed before in any context, or just in PnP, or perhaps just not in EVE after having done so in other games.
What advice would you give somebody who wanted to start RPing with others in EVE?
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Research, a lot. Knowing what you want to be, and knowing about it makes it easier to find an opening to get involved with other players.
Places such as the Heiian College for Caldari RPers are great places to get in and learn some stuff and develop your own ideology and political stance within your community. Places such as the Summit also generally work to this degree.
:) Just something.
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Research, a lot.
Constructive link (http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/The_Book_of_EVE) is makes meh post moar constructive.
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Read. Ask. Listen. Learn. Speak.
In that order.
Oftentimes someone new the RP scene bursts onto the IGS from out of nowhere with a two-day-old pilot's license and an angle that they've thought up but not researched properly. The result? Well anyone whose seen Shark Week on Discovery has a pretty good idea and for those that haven't: It ain't pretty.
EVE has a huge backstory, both canon and player driven. A new role player should read as much of it as they can, particularly focusing on the information that will pertain to their play. Next they should ask questions from the people already on the scene and for cripe's sake, LISTEN to what they say.
Only after they've learned about the world they're going to to inhabit should they speak and make their presence known.
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Get away while you still can.
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EVE RP is a purely consensual venture, with the only non-consensual actions being things that fall within a range of "If X happens, I will accept it regardless".
Keep this mindset as you RP with others, because even non-consensual PVP RP must be given your consent to even function. If both sides do not have a give and take relationship to establish mutually acceptable ways of building RP, it will fall apart.
This exists because there are many different systems used for EVE RP by people. If common ground cannot be respectfully established, the options available to you tend to be limited in scope.
You're building a story, the game only provides the mechanics to make it real.
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Occasionally, I see questions from EVE players who want to get involved in RP. They may have never RPed before in any context, or just in PnP, or perhaps just not in EVE after having done so in other games.
What advice would you give somebody who wanted to start RPing with others in EVE?
I'm still generally new Eve RP. The advice I'd give that helped me was ask questions, a couple people are more then willing to answer them. IE Ask in OOC, hop on OOC ventrilo, read the chronicles. I also went through IGS, wiki and backstage looking at Moira's history stuff from incursions, past wars.
Places such as the Heiian College for Caldari RPers
Heard it mentioned a couple time, never actually join the channel to check it out.
Get away while you still can.
I think its to late for all of us......
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It's never too late. >.>
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For a slightly different, develop-in-play perspective:
Read the EVE RP summary (http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Roleplay).
Read just enough about the EVE back-story and races to see if there's anything that really appeals or will really bother you.
- EVE backstory (http://eveonline.com/background/)
- EVE races (http://eveonline.com/races/)
Try to hook up with some RPers who seem okay.
- Skim RP-related forums like this one
- Join some RP and OOC channels (http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=120.0")... chat to people, but also be patient
Play a freshly-graduated rookie. Ask questions. Learn -- and make it up -- as you go.
(I can't in good conscience suggest attempting to devour the EVE prime fiction before you begin. I do recommend that you try to be an ordinary-ish person making your way in this extraordinary 'world'.)
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1. Have fun.
2. Try to arrange your RP and RP ideas in such a manner that it encourages other people to participate and have fun too. Stay away from the adversarial RP until you have a better grasp of the world.
3. Don't worry too much about reading all the backstory, it is not necessary to have fun RP-ing. Just keep away from spewing facts if you haven't read much.
4. This is not a tabletop RP game. The RP world does not revolve around you, in fact, despite your own illusions of grandeur you'll likely be considered nothing something of a nobody at first. Don't worry, if you offer something that is interesting to other RP-ers, they'll go along in no time. Try to contribute to their story, and you'll often find them willing to contribute to your own.
5. Space Nuns rule!
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SPACESHIPS HAVE CREWS.
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SPACESHIPS HAVE CREWS.
And you don't sit on a bridge to command your ship. You're floating in a pod, wired into the ship.
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And you don't sit on a bridge to command your ship. You're floating in a pod, wired into the ship.
Watch the EVE Incarna teaser video (http://youtube.com/watch?v=9yCcRMNT-WI). 1:03 minutes, and it gets a lot across.
(The pod shorts are silly, though.)
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If you have a new angle on something, a new view on RP for a faction, something unique and interesting.
Consider yourself being downplayed and ridiculed until you have stuck with your RP for at least a year.
Otherwise you are just a trolling alt noob.
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I would highly recommend trying to find a RP corp/alliance and community one likes. Different RP communities have different cultures IC and OOC.
First, the process of looking for a suitable corp already provides a lot of nice RP topics and options, as your character has a good excuse to talk to different people, asking about things and telling of herself. Secondly, sharing a corp and activities creates natural RP opportunities with your corpmates, as your character gets to know their characters. And finally, even if you later decide to move on, characters having shared RP history is great material for later RP. :)
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Get into an RP corp.
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If you have a new angle on something, a new view on RP for a faction, something unique and interesting.
Consider yourself being downplayed and ridiculed until you have stuck with your RP for at least a year.
Otherwise you are just a trolling alt noob.
In addition to this, expect to be told that your new view has "already been done", "better than you", 3+ years before you started, by people who no longer play.
Sorry for negativity, but that is what some people do.
Furthermore, IGS - the Intergalactic Summit - the "roleplaying" forum on the eve website, has a long memory. Anything you type that may be of even trivial difference to what you're currently saying there will be brought up whenever someone you've ticked off feels like it.
If your character ever changes their mind on anything, expect them to be called a traitor, hypocrite, race-betrayer, brainwashed, gullible, cowardly, etc.
If your character never changes their mind on something, expect them to be called a dinosaur, brainwashed, hypocrite, blind, unimaginative, cowardly, etc.
This may occasionally be done by the same persons.
Have fun.
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We in the RP community can give helpful advice and give a good start to somebody new so joining an existing corp is certainly a good idea. However my "no-bullshit" advice to somebody new to eve RP would be to ignore all of us as most of us including myself are bitter old vets who are only out to promote their own agenda's.
Do your own thing, and don't let anybody bully you or tell you that its wrong :)
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One thing I cannot stress enough is "Don't try to write your character all at once." The reasons for this are numerous - you may come to dislike what you produce if you write it all at once, you may hamstring yourself in regard to RP you want to get into later, etc etc - but by far the largest thing is repeatedly seeing people struggling to flesh out every little detail of their character and worry whether it will be "right", before they've even once stepped into an RP channel. Seriously - you don't have to tie yourself in knots figuring out how your character would respond to every little situation or what town in Blarg III he/she grew up on.
Just get a general background, start RPing, and write it up as you go - I guarantee you'll have more fun.
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Learn to fly other faction's ships than yours. Don't limit your relationships with non-role players.
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One thing I cannot stress enough is "Don't try to write your character all at once."
QFT.
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Learn to fly other faction's ships than yours. Don't limit your relationships with non-role players.
Also QFT. Without this, you're liable to end up with an 'Us and Them' situation, which imo, is a do not want.
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Learn to fly other faction's ships than yours.
I would argue learn how all the ship's/specialties work and train to fly what you want to fly. If an organization wants to only fly Gallente ships, then that is a requirement to be part of that organization. If a player only wants to train how to fly Amarr ships, then that is their option. The second will never be part of the first, but that is a choice that is made by both.
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You are not a special snowflake.
Your parents were not murdered by slavers/terrorists/pirates.
You are not the offspring of Jamyl/Shakor/Heth/whoever's running the Federation this week.
You are not from another universe.
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Don't expect people to be reasonable if ingame limitations contradict RP sense. They'll use anything for their own agenda.
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Your parents were not murdered by slavers/terrorists/pirates.
While this is very overplayed, it doesn't create anywhere near the same sort of problems that claiming to be Shakor and Jamyl's sekrit love child does. Certainly, one would assume that millions of people in New Eden do fall into this category.
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Avoid these forums and IGS. :D
Just kidding.
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You are not a special snowflake.
Your parents were not murdered by slavers/terrorists/pirates.
You are not the offspring of Jamyl/Shakor/Heth/whoever's running the Federation this week.
You are not from another universe.
That all said... You ARE Rodj's offspring, who is a slaver that murders terrorists and/or pirates, and is a universe unto himself because of extreme amounts of awesonium.
/me runs and hides from his CEO!
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....I'm not a special snowflake?!?!?! :bash:
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Don't role play, play the role. Its more fun and fullfilling.
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Never, ever give up trying to RP because someone doesn't agree with it.
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Never, ever give up trying to RP because someone doesn't agree with it.
Except when it's to do with pedophilia.
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My tip, avoid drama merchants.
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Tip: if you decide your character is a furry, fair enough, but expect mocking. Because RPing your fetish so publicly is hilarious.
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"Don't act, react."
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'Don't react. Respond.'
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Responding is one kind of a reaction to stuff that happens. Why should one limit oneself to that? Or what did I misunderstand?
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React to others acts by responding to their reactions?
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'Don't react. Respond.'
'Don't respond. Set it on fire.'
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If it appears on your overview, kill it.
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That's advice to new PVPers, and while the two have significant overlap, let's not drift too far afield, mkay?
How would you counsel someone new to EVE RP who wanted to seek out other RPers IG, other than OOC/The Summit?