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Some roams we do almost daily, figured we would start taking video footage of it. Yes lots of lasers, and Amarr for Caldari but it is the best in fleet pvp.. sadly.
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Yes lots of lasers, and Amarr for Caldari but it is the best in fleet pvp.. sadly.
Huh... I am pretty sure Amarr being best for Fleet PvP is up for debate. A lot of people swear by Minmatar.
I really need to find time to FC Caldari fleets.
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Awesome editing on both of them, intros especially.
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Love the videos but they could do without the 'description section' smack talk, specifically things like 'Militia scrubs' and the likes. I-RED is better than that.
Great editing and good to see Caldari Bros killing things though.
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Yes lots of lasers, and Amarr for Caldari but it is the best in fleet pvp.. sadly.
Huh... I am pretty sure Amarr being best for Fleet PvP is up for debate. A lot of people swear by Minmatar.
I really need to find time to FC Caldari fleets.
Winmatar! o7
Yeah lets find some time Dex :twisted:
Always nice to see Roam vids o7 nice John
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Love the videos but they could do without the 'description section' smack talk, specifically things like 'Militia scrubs' and the likes. I-RED is better than that.
The videos are posted by one of our more 'fiery' pilots, not by John or the rest of the leadership. The opinions expressed within do not represent blah blah blah. Disclaimer stuff.
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Love the videos but they could do without the 'description section' smack talk, specifically things like 'Militia scrubs' and the likes. I-RED is better than that.
'Mitilia scrubs'? Really? Last time I remember I-REDs on field, 'militia scrubs' were beating them like always.
Guys from I-RED, I challenge you, make something epic like 'militia scrubs' here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U0dTlU-QUg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U0dTlU-QUg)
Until then, please avoid calling militia this way. And please note, I don't ask you to become better than militia, or even equal to militia, but at least comparable with.
Thanks!
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Now let's not get hasty Lithium, Kat has explained that it is a personal comment and not an I-RED one so we should take it as a comment more on the nature of the poster than the corporation. After all, they are very good videos. I am also a little put off by the terminology, as game play is game play - there's lots of different flavours in EVE and the obnoxiously vocal proponents of each make their regular, friendly player base look bad. So let's not get into a slagging match over what I only intended to bit a slight 'harumph' over one belittling comment on two great vids.
Also loving the vid you linked Lithium, tbh both sets of vids here show what vastly different subsets of the eve population can put out when at their best.
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Yes lots of lasers, and Amarr for Caldari but it is the best in fleet pvp.. sadly.
Huh... I am pretty sure Amarr being best for Fleet PvP is up for debate. A lot of people swear by Minmatar.
I really need to find time to FC Caldari fleets.
Amarr are by far the best for more 'static' fights (large numbers, defending or offending static locations). Hellcats and NavApocs are still ridiculously hard to beat in large numbers.
Minnie's still much better at gun and run, as they always have been.
I've been having good discussions these days about best ways and counters to beat those pesky tier three bc nano gangs.
Good videocap thought pew pew pew pew lasorrrrz
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Entertainingly, as far as I can tell Shadow Cartel's 100mn Teir 3 BC/Tengu gangs are, so far at least, more or less unbeatable. The only time I've ever seen them lose ships is to either massive spider tanking and RR (in which case most of them just burn out and leave) or when they've made a mistake with their cycle times and coasted into a rapier or something.
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Love the videos but they could do without the 'description section' smack talk, specifically things like 'Militia scrubs' and the likes. I-RED is better than that.
'Mitilia scrubs'? Really? Last time I remember I-REDs on field, 'militia scrubs' were beating them like always.
Guys from I-RED, I challenge you, make something epic like 'militia scrubs' here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U0dTlU-QUg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U0dTlU-QUg)
Until then, please avoid calling militia this way. And please note, I don't ask you to become better than militia, or even equal to militia, but at least comparable with.
Thanks!
Heh.
Nothing more will be said from me other then I suggest you read above.
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Entertainingly, as far as I can tell Shadow Cartel's 100mn Teir 3 BC/Tengu gangs are, so far at least, more or less unbeatable. The only time I've ever seen them lose ships is to either massive spider tanking and RR (in which case most of them just burn out and leave) or when they've made a mistake with their cycle times and coasted into a rapier or something.
Forum mod topic splice mehbe? Good topic for debate!
I think Tengu's already becoming increasingly irrelevant even before this nerf with effective firewalls. It's difficult but it can be done. Not really usable for close range, but with mass ranged tengu spam can render huge % of their offense out of the contest.
Navpocs -are- the counter for Tier 3 ranged shenanigans. Tier 3's just don't have the HP for those kinds of exchanges with better BS's. Their mobility is super super nice though
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Heh.
Nothing more will be said from me other then I suggest you read above.
I hope I don't have to say how inappropriate it was, and I overreacted a bit. I was harsh and I'm very sorry for this.
However, my challenge remains in effect, go for it! 8)
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Love the videos but they could do without the 'description section' smack talk, specifically things like 'Militia scrubs' and the likes. I-RED is better than that.
The videos are posted by one of our more 'fiery' pilots, not by John or the rest of the leadership. The opinions expressed within do not represent blah blah blah. Disclaimer stuff.
Bullshit. By allowing him to voice such a 'we are so much better than you' attitude in both his descriptions and the video's themselves I-RED gives the impression they condone his way of thinking. What I assume to be his edit isn't helping either "We engaged a fleet of [not scrubs] militia" well look who could not bring himself to remove it entirely, instead trying for the 'not' approach in a pathetic attempt to be politically correct. Apparently it was enough for I-RED leadership to let it fly.
The video's were nice and all, but their execution gives me the impression that I-RED is on a whole very elitist about their dealings and generally don't offer much in the way of respect for... well, anything. Other sources leads me to believe this is not even remotely correct, but anyone who has not seen those can easily get the wrong impression. You may want to look into outlawing such an aggressive approach in such a public medium unless you don't care for the opinions people will form about your group. There are clearly more 'neutral' ways the same material can be presented that don't makes people take offense with, or misunderstand, you.
Love the videos but they could do without the 'description section' smack talk, specifically things like 'Militia scrubs' and the likes. I-RED is better than that.
'Mitilia scrubs'? Really? Last time I remember I-REDs on field, 'militia scrubs' were beating them like always.
Guys from I-RED, I challenge you, make something epic like 'militia scrubs' here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U0dTlU-QUg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U0dTlU-QUg)
Until then, please avoid calling militia this way. And please note, I don't ask you to become better than militia, or even equal to militia, but at least comparable with.
Thanks!
Onto a different topic, shortly. As far as I'm aware one of the biggest annoyances with the militias are groups like SOTF and Wolf-brigade, who blur the whole line between who can be trusted and not on a constant basis. On several occasions both these groups and others have gone out of their way to prove that they can't be trusted at all - they will pirate, roam with war-targets, fight other pirates, fight together with other pirates, combine fleets to attack third parties, anything for their amusement.
That's fine and all, they do whatever with their subscriptions, but that leave the rest of the militia in a bad spot - who the hell can you trust if you can't trust your fellow militia, or alliance mates?
One day, your corp-mates are fighting the other militia with you. The next they pirate on some random group out there that had so far done nothing 'wrong' far as PVP in low-sec was concerned. They can't trust your militia anymore now, if they ever could, and you got to watch out for them. The day after that, your militia-mates go help your enemies hold their space - against your allies militia, even. Now those two militias start to distrust each other. The next day those two groups go do something else to violate trust and so on.
In the end you end up having to shoot about anyone just to try and stay safe or not-dead in low-sec, your sec rating drops and soon your a legitimate target for anyone left that you may not have shot yet. welcome to low-sec, a place fit only for the low-security rated full, half or quarter pirates, militia or no militia. And gods help you if you leave any of these corps but linger, then they will be out shooting you next, as you happen to be a 'neutral' legitimate target for them to prey on.
IIRC there was time when I-RED was blue to some elements of the Caldari militia. That time has long ended, so it seems is the time when I-RED could be blue with a few Fed-mil elements - I believed I-RED to be blue with GMVA, for instance, and for GMVA to not be quasi-pirates or bluing with pirates, but here we have a video of GMVA, orange to I-RED, trying to help a pirate force out. Go figure. I pity the fresh players who actually think FW is 'noob-friendly'. That's a lie if I ever heard one.
I wonder wtf happened to 'trust' and 'honorable conduct'.
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I wonder wtf happened to 'trust' and 'honorable conduct'.
You are projecting an awful lot of your own views on these subjects into an amoral pvp arena.
No other group in eve plays by the rules we'd like them to, despite our best wishes.
Game mechanics encourage FW to be a shit-show of stupidity most of the time, so anyone participating unfortunately is subject to that particular meat grinder.
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WBR and SoTF are more or less unique in FW, in that while WBR were still in the Amarr and before that the Caldari, the two alliances would regularly work together against third parties. During the now infamous siege of Kamela, SoTF guardians showed up to provide reps for the WBR fleets fighting the Minmatar. Outrage commenced.
Anyway, that doesn't happen nearly as much as it could, so don't think enemy militias regularly cooperate.
/Derail
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BloodBird, if you don't like I-RED or the way ONE of our pilots words something in a PvP video description, I'm not even sorry. This thread is not here to cater to your politically/socially correct ideals about what we should and should not be. It's here to provide a link to some Youtube videos. Get over yourself.
To any FW 'militia scrubs' here watching this thread, please note that what I said is not bullshit. anybody who spends more than a week in I-RED can tell you we actually do like the militias (certain corps and alliances excepted) because they are generally pretty cool guys who bring good fights. Please don't be upset by some playful namecalling. It's part of the rivalry we all enjoy in a PvP game.
EDIT: I should note that we do have some very hostile and butthurt relationships with certain militia corps. There are some we really really don't like, and some who really really don't like us. Not going to name names, but yes. They exist. It's possible the video poster misconstrued references to these former/current militia groups to include the whole militia... so maybe he was insulting all of the militia and meaning it. But in the end... is 'scrubs' really something to get so upset over? Seriously? In the words of CCP: "HTFU"
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I was going to write a long response to this, but then realized it would just come over as angrier than intended. Short version, put as nicely as I can.
first fight (flight of the oracles) - Could have been better FCed, spreading points would have netted you more kills, and it would have been smart to have come in at a better range. Your pilots need to know what ammo to use at what range, Scorch at 10km isn't a great idea when you could get much more DPS with IN multi at the same range. Then switching to gamma... You were also very lucky that their FC wasn't very good, coordinated fire should have chewed through your ships like termites in a log cabin. Unless you comp heavy ECM/Falcon/Logi support.
Second fight - FCing wasn't very smart again, when the enemy landed with a mix of drakes and AHAC's, you kept firing on AHACs even with the triaged carrier chilling right there repping through a ton of your DPS. Instead you should have switched to the shield fleet and burned them down like candles, they were all in easy range. Only later when they were bailing did you switch targets to the Drakes. Once again your pilots seem pretty sloppy about focusing fire. Crowing about counter-dropping caps usually ends in two ways, 1, the people you used to get fights out of stop fighting you because they know you will just escalate to something they either can't or won't match, 2, you get baited and some nullsec cap wing shows up to kill everything.
Good participation on your fleets though John, nice to see you guys out in space.
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I was going to write a long response to this, but then realized it would just come over as angrier than intended. Short version, put as nicely as I can.
first fight (flight of the oracles) - Could have been better FCed, spreading points would have netted you more kills, and it would have been smart to have come in at a better range. Your pilots need to know what ammo to use at what range, Scorch at 10km isn't a great idea when you could get much more DPS with IN multi at the same range. Then switching to gamma... You were also very lucky that their FC wasn't very good, coordinated fire should have chewed through your ships like termites in a log cabin. Unless you comp heavy ECM/Falcon/Logi support.
Second fight - FCing wasn't very smart again, when the enemy landed with a mix of drakes and AHAC's, you kept firing on AHACs even with the triaged carrier chilling right there repping through a ton of your DPS. Instead you should have switched to the shield fleet and burned them down like candles, they were all in easy range. Only later when they were bailing did you switch targets to the Drakes. Once again your pilots seem pretty sloppy about focusing fire. Crowing about counter-dropping caps usually ends in two ways, 1, the people you used to get fights out of stop fighting you because they know you will just escalate to something they either can't or won't match, 2, you get baited and some nullsec cap wing shows up to kill everything.
Good participation on your fleets though John, nice to see you guys out in space.
Nice post! I actually learned something here. :D
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Logan,
I think switching to drakes in that situation can be debatable, as they do shit damage compared to the ahacs which are probably putting much more hurt on your fleet. Also its really easy to goose the carrier pilot by switching primaries a few quick times and they generally can't keep up. Good points though.
Still, its always 100% easier to do a post-op and dissect than when the heat is on mid fight.
Katrina,
Yup.
Bloodbird,
I've seen you rage out with 'elitest' bombs a few times and I think it might make others happier if you tone it down a few notches. Tempest in a teacup over a lot of things, mate.
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I was going to write a long response to this, but then realized it would just come over as angrier than intended. Short version, put as nicely as I can.
first fight (flight of the oracles) - Could have been better FCed, spreading points would have netted you more kills, and it would have been smart to have come in at a better range. Your pilots need to know what ammo to use at what range, Scorch at 10km isn't a great idea when you could get much more DPS with IN multi at the same range. Then switching to gamma... You were also very lucky that their FC wasn't very good, coordinated fire should have chewed through your ships like termites in a log cabin. Unless you comp heavy ECM/Falcon/Logi support.
Second fight - FCing wasn't very smart again, when the enemy landed with a mix of drakes and AHAC's, you kept firing on AHACs even with the triaged carrier chilling right there repping through a ton of your DPS. Instead you should have switched to the shield fleet and burned them down like candles, they were all in easy range. Only later when they were bailing did you switch targets to the Drakes. Once again your pilots seem pretty sloppy about focusing fire. Crowing about counter-dropping caps usually ends in two ways, 1, the people you used to get fights out of stop fighting you because they know you will just escalate to something they either can't or won't match, 2, you get baited and some nullsec cap wing shows up to kill everything.
Good participation on your fleets though John, nice to see you guys out in space.
First fight was AHAC/Zealot Fleet, we had no issues against their DPS even with two of three of our logi's permajammed. Shortly after some of them reshipped to a 15 man AHAC Diemost fleet (With Falcons) and were killed with no losses either, though our AHAC fleet did die that night to 100+ man joint Caldari/Gallente fleet which we fought head on, because that's what we do.
Second fight we were using the Triage Carrier (Which was being neuted out by Abaddons that refit on our two triage carriers) as bait to try and get more hostiles on field. Also we have been fighting Flatline for almost a year they used to live in the Syndicate pocket I-RED lives in until they were removed, shortly after they moved to lowsec. To note alot of the shield fleet was neutral meaning we did not free-fire on them unless absolutely necessary, and we engaged the Drake/Shield fleet who were red to us until they were forced off the ones left behind you should look at the ranges they were at. Contrary to popular belief I know what I am doing even if my alliance does not.
EDIT: Also he was using CONFLAG/Multi/Scorch not Gamma >.>
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Also as for the video names/description, they are his creation I talked to him about it but in the end they are his video's and I cannot force him to do anything.
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Logan,
I think switching to drakes in that situation can be debatable, as they do shit damage compared to the ahacs which are probably putting much more hurt on your fleet. Also its really easy to goose the carrier pilot by switching primaries a few quick times and they generally can't keep up. Good points though.
Silas,
I don't find it all that debatable. Fleet DPS at the 'tipping point' (if there ever was one during that fight) of the fight was just barely putting down hostile AHAC's, trying to play the who's primary game against their logi is wasting time. Shooting at Drakes and the other assorted shield ships are guaranteed kills and reduction in DPS in a fight like that. Damage output doesn't matter when you can kill 2-3 of them every 30 seconds vice 1-2 AHAC's every minute and while fighting against reps.
John,
He might have been using conflag, but even then in the first fight he was using scorch inside 10km. I didn't see him ever swap to mutlifreq in that fight. I like how you casually throw in there "because that's what we do."
I won't go into your overzealous comments about flatline too deeply, but let's just say I find it pretty laughable that you claim they were removed from NPC space.
[spoiler]My well placed sources tell a different story. In case I am not being clear, I had a spy in FLATLINE at the time and while they were even more horrible badz than I thought possible, they left Syndicate of their own free will and were under no thread from the IRED coalition at the time, any more than you were from their coalition. [/spoiler]
But we digress from the real point, those drakes seemed to be engaging you guys, I might be wrong if matters are further complicated by your ROE (not shooting neutrals) than that makes more sense.
I know you know what you are doing. I'd accept criticisms from you as well. Largely the problem is your pilots aren't all shooting at the same thing, not that you aren't calling targets or primaries. Doesn't seem like they are tracking secondary and tertiary targets, you should have your pilots at least three targets deep, Primary is x, secondary is y, tertiary is z. If you are doing that then your pilots are doing a pretty bad job at queuing up targets as you call them. I'd imagine it's a queuing problem rather than a target calling problem.
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Logan,
I think switching to drakes in that situation can be debatable, as they do shit damage compared to the ahacs which are probably putting much more hurt on your fleet. Also its really easy to goose the carrier pilot by switching primaries a few quick times and they generally can't keep up. Good points though.
Silas,
I don't find it all that debatable. Fleet DPS at the 'tipping point' (if there ever was one during that fight) of the fight was just barely putting down hostile AHAC's, trying to play the who's primary game against their logi is wasting time. Shooting at Drakes and the other assorted shield ships are guaranteed kills and reduction in DPS in a fight like that. Damage output doesn't matter when you can kill 2-3 of them every 30 seconds vice 1-2 AHAC's every minute and while fighting against reps.
John,
He might have been using conflag, but even then in the first fight he was using scorch inside 10km. I didn't see him ever swap to mutlifreq in that fight. I like how you casually throw in there "because that's what we do."
I won't go into your overzealous comments about flatline too deeply, but let's just say I find it pretty laughable that you claim they were removed from NPC space.
[spoiler]My well placed sources tell a different story. In case I am not being clear, I had a spy in FLATLINE at the time and while they were even more horrible badz than I thought possible, they left Syndicate of their own free will and were under no thread from the IRED coalition at the time, any more than you were from their coalition. [/spoiler]
But we digress from the real point, those drakes seemed to be engaging you guys, I might be wrong if matters are further complicated by your ROE (not shooting neutrals) than that makes more sense.
I know you know what you are doing. I'd accept criticisms from you as well. Largely the problem is your pilots aren't all shooting at the same thing, not that you aren't calling targets or primaries. Doesn't seem like they are tracking secondary and tertiary targets, you should have your pilots at least three targets deep, Primary is x, secondary is y, tertiary is z. If you are doing that then your pilots are doing a pretty bad job at queuing up targets as you call them. I'd imagine it's a queuing problem rather than a target calling problem.
I only watched the first minute or so of the video, so I'll take your word for numbers of enemies and what they are in as you seem to know your stuff. My point was that (and this has to be made on the fly in the middle of a fight perhaps), you'd have to make the call between how long it takes to burn through high HP / low damage ships (drakes), versus high damage / not as high HP ahacs. When they are getting reps not a good idea of course. And like you mentioned I would also assume fleet had locked 3-4 called targets pre-emotively so 'switching' is super easy to stay ahead of reps. The switching targets thing as you know depends entirely how much alpha you are putting out. If you only need a cycle or two to kill a ship before they can get reps on it, then switching targets fast works well. Otherwise you totally right.
I've got an old alliance mate in Flatline I'd be curious his thoughts on the 'kicking out' thing as well.
But again we are all armchair quarterbacking, and its easy to be 'YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE THIS' when we can rewatch video under no diress. :)
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Silas,
I don't find it all that debatable. Fleet DPS at the 'tipping point' (if there ever was one during that fight) of the fight was just barely putting down hostile AHAC's, trying to play the who's primary game against their logi is wasting time. Shooting at Drakes and the other assorted shield ships are guaranteed kills and reduction in DPS in a fight like that. Damage output doesn't matter when you can kill 2-3 of them every 30 seconds vice 1-2 AHAC's every minute and while fighting against reps.
John,
He might have been using conflag, but even then in the first fight he was using scorch inside 10km. I didn't see him ever swap to mutlifreq in that fight. I like how you casually throw in there "because that's what we do."
I won't go into your overzealous comments about flatline too deeply, but let's just say I find it pretty laughable that you claim they were removed from NPC space.
[spoiler]My well placed sources tell a different story. In case I am not being clear, I had a spy in FLATLINE at the time and while they were even more horrible badz than I thought possible, they left Syndicate of their own free will and were under no thread from the IRED coalition at the time, any more than you were from their coalition. [/spoiler]
But we digress from the real point, those drakes seemed to be engaging you guys, I might be wrong if matters are further complicated by your ROE (not shooting neutrals) than that makes more sense.
I know you know what you are doing. I'd accept criticisms from you as well. Largely the problem is your pilots aren't all shooting at the same thing, not that you aren't calling targets or primaries. Doesn't seem like they are tracking secondary and tertiary targets, you should have your pilots at least three targets deep, Primary is x, secondary is y, tertiary is z. If you are doing that then your pilots are doing a pretty bad job at queuing up targets as you call them. I'd imagine it's a queuing problem rather than a target calling problem.
I also had access to their forums as well, I said they were removed from our pocket of space JQV Const (They did have a mass evac after all, and their leadership was under constant pressure by their membership because of the lack of isk generation, and continued loss of fleets with superior numbers). Then shortly after left Syndicate implying they were in Syndicate for a short while after.
They all seemed to be shooting the primary minus one pilot, but when dealing with triage plus 3 guardians on top of that you have to keep swapping targets at random as I am sure you already know. tbh they did a great job seeing as we were able to remove Zealots in Abaddons under the nose of their logi.
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So let's try this again.
Love the videos but they could do without the 'description section' smack talk, specifically things like 'Militia scrubs' and the likes. I-RED is better than that.
The videos are posted by one of our more 'fiery' pilots, not by John or the rest of the leadership. The opinions expressed within do not represent blah blah blah. Disclaimer stuff.
Bullshit. By allowing him to voice such a 'we are so much better than you' attitude in both his descriptions and the video's themselves I-RED gives the impression they condone his way of thinking. What I assume to be his edit isn't helping either "We engaged a fleet of [not scrubs] militia" well look who could not bring himself to remove it entirely, instead trying for the 'not' approach in a pathetic attempt to be politically correct. Apparently it was enough for I-RED leadership to let it fly.
The video's were nice and all, but their execution gives me the impression that I-RED is on a whole very elitist about their dealings and generally don't offer much in the way of respect for... well, anything. Other sources leads me to believe this is not even remotely correct, but anyone who has not seen those can easily get the wrong impression. You may want to look into outlawing such an aggressive approach in such a public medium unless you don't care for the opinions people will form about your group. There are clearly more 'neutral' ways the same material can be presented that don't makes people take offense with, or misunderstand, you.
Aggro removal/
"While you claim that the opinion of one member don't speak for all, the voice of that one member is in a very public place and gives the impression that it is universal for your alliance. This is unfortunate because when you promote your alliance that I know for a fact is level-headed and competently decent, others can get the impression that you are very elitist and look down on others. You may want to look into avoiding this if you don't want people to miss-understand you."
/Aggro removal
Much better. Now if only I'd get better at doing this in the first place...
Speaking of aggro...
BloodBird, if you don't like I-RED or the way ONE of our pilots words something in a PvP video description, I'm not even sorry. This thread is not here to cater to your politically/socially correct ideals about what we should and should not be. It's here to provide a link to some Youtube videos. Get over yourself.
To any FW 'militia scrubs' here watching this thread, please note that what I said is not bullshit. anybody who spends more than a week in I-RED can tell you we actually do like the militias (certain corps and alliances excepted) because they are generally pretty cool guys who bring good fights. Please don't be upset by some playful namecalling. It's part of the rivalry we all enjoy in a PvP game.
EDIT: I should note that we do have some very hostile and butthurt relationships with certain militia corps. There are some we really really don't like, and some who really really don't like us. Not going to name names, but yes. They exist. It's possible the video poster misconstrued references to these former/current militia groups to include the whole militia... so maybe he was insulting all of the militia and meaning it. But in the end... is 'scrubs' really something to get so upset over? Seriously? In the words of CCP: "HTFU"
Two things.
First off, while the message was poorly made (and as they say, if the message was poorly written, blame the writer) the point would remain; I-RED is better served not giving people the wrong impressions about them in a public medium intended to promote your alliance's actions and I know for a fact you are better than implied in said public medium. This is the intended message of the above post.
You should learn to handle critics a bit better than "get over yourself", because in the context that your post was made, it made the whole thing ironic - Someone who apparently need to "get over themselves" tells another he should do so too. :lol:
Guess we can both learn something from this.
Secondly, When the Fed militia calls the Caldari militia 'squids' and get 'frogs' in return this is just two militias giving each other silly nick-names, that are not even understandable unless you get the in-debt explanation. When a non-militia entity apparently refer to the militia(s) as scrubs, it's taken as an insult to a supposedly inferior group of players - militia members. This is the bad thing I really think you want to avoid.
Bloodbird,
I've seen you rage out with 'elitest' bombs a few times and I think it might make others happier if you tone it down a few notches. Tempest in a teacup over a lot of things, mate.
Your advice is noted and appreciated. Not sure I can promise anything though, elitism is a pet-peeve of mine, sadly.
Also as for the video names/description, they are his creation I talked to him about it but in the end they are his video's and I cannot force him to do anything.
A little sad, you could do without the implications. But yes, his videos, his final word.
I've no more business in this tread, as it was. I'll be back every now and then to see if more video's are posted, however.
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Well you're right, BloodBird. We did both get a bit heated. I stand by what I said though, impressions or not - the poster's comments and opinions do not represent the majority. His channel is sort of the de facto I-RED video channel, not something official.
I assure you, I-RED is about as far from elitist as we can get. We often go -too- far when bashing ourselves, so the whole 'scrubs' comment is just hilariously ironic for us. I-RED calling anyone else scrubs is just ridiculous. We really don't have an elitist attitude, and anything that could be construed as elitist is either meant in jest or irony [in public], or is just misunderstood morale boosting [internal].
All that said, I take your implied apology for your first post, and offer my own apologies for my blunt words.
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You just can't imagine, how funny it looks from my side, when I remember one particular battle with I-RED :lol:
But well, I see they successfully adopted tactics we used against them back then. I look forward to see what can they field against us now :twisted:
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You just can't imagine, how funny it looks from my side, when I remember one particular battle with I-RED :lol:
But well, I see they successfully adopted tactics we used against them back then. I look forward to see what can they field against us now :twisted:
Something I tell my alliance daily. Though it's not new for anyone who has any type of extended pvp experience.
"Adapt or Die."
We are not dead yet so will assume we are doing something right.