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EVE-Online RP Discussion and Resources => EVE OOC Summit => Topic started by: Kiki Truzhari on 19 Mar 2012, 16:11
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Just to clear it up OOCly, this topic:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=83228&find=unread
has me baffled. Because it very much seems like the STON guys are trying to indirectly insinuate it was the EoM guys. But I don't actually think they agreed to any of that RP @_@
I'm just terribly confused. Is STON goddmodding? Is there more going on behind the scenes here? (if so I don't need to know what it is, just that there is in fact something) I'm just terribly confused and I'm not sure how to have my character act in regards to it all. I'm almost at the point of just completely backing away from the STON guys since their RP seems sorta inconsistant with the rest of reality.
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You are finally starting to reach the point most of us have reached.
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I thought the Ston guys had an interesting perspective but I do get annoyed with 900 threads covering the same topic that won't die. It's polite to other RPers to let your threads 'die' after a while.
That being said, regarding not knowing how to react, this is a great opportunity.
Being in the dark, like your character, can only add realism and good RP. Not knowing the details can only improve interaction. It's good NOT to know what's going on. How -would- your character react with limited information?
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I thought the Ston guys had an interesting perspective but I do get annoyed with 900 threads covering the same topic that won't die. It's polite to other RPers to let your threads 'die' after a while.
That being said, regarding not knowing how to react, this is a great opportunity.
Being in the dark, like your character, can only add realism and good RP. Not knowing the details can only improve interaction. It's good NOT to know what's going on. How -would- your character react with limited information?
she'd blame the crazy cultists, which is what she has been doing.
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[mod]Want to remind everyone to keep it civil. Disagreeing with the way that someone RPs isn't an excuse to insult them (at least here).[/mod]
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I'm a little "wtf, you need MORE attention?" about the whole thing, but hey, STON folks do whatever the hell they want. People will learn to ignore them, tell them to kindly sod off OOC, or find some way to deal with them IC. This looks like a good "what's going on, what's happening" chance IC, much like Silas said. Let your toon go find out, or just don't bother with it, atl not officially.
May want to have a word with the STON folks IC Kiki, and then one with the EoM folks ;)
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I don't read STON threads, because their RP doesn't really interest me.
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If this thread turns into an inside job by one of their RP alts, then I'm permabanning any interaction with any of them, forever. Not that they or anyone else should care, but just putting that out there. FFS.
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I rest my case
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has me baffled. Because it very much seems like the STON guys are trying to indirectly insinuate it was the EoM guys. But I don't actually think they agreed to any of that RP @_@
Why would they have to agree to it?
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Generally, its a good idea to let the other player know before saying their characters did something, at least if you are implying that they actually did.
That seems to not be the case at the moment, though.
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Since when have anyone had problems with outright lies being used as propaganda tools in Eve RP? It's been done by pretty much everyone to great and less great effect. Frankly, when lying your ass off OOC isn't frowned upon, why should lying your ass off IC be? Paid a significant price to learn that lesson myself.
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It's not lies, its godmodding, tbh.
There is a difference between saying "We are saying you attacked our station" and "You attacked our station, just letting you know"
But this is a bit off topic.
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It's not lies, its godmodding, tbh.
I can only make it halfway through most of those IGS posts, so I'm sure you know better than I do. Still, it's an IC claim so I fail to see how it's godmoding instead of an outright lie.
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It's poor form to sucker a bunch of RPers into what looks to be a he said/she said train wreck
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Part of my problem with DSTON is their love of this kind of "yeah I'll do all this rabble AND SUDDENLY IT'S JUST ONE OF OUR ALTS GUYS". The hundreds of fundamentally identical forum posts, not always sure whether they're being IC or OOC when speaking outside of the IGS, and at times being really pretty snippy when I can only assume they're OOC (since I can't tell for certain and they refuse to qualify) comprise much of the rest.
Truly, account lapsing is a liberation. :x
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I'm no fan of STON's repetitive (seriously) material, but setting up someone else for a fall, non-consentually?
If that's wrong, I don't want to be right.
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It's poor form to sucker a bunch of RPers into what looks to be a he said/she said train wreck
You're right, I concede the point. Still don't think it's godmoding though.
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The thing becomes muddy when you have what seems to be two different accounts of an event, at least when its RP related.
When X ship gets blown up in space, we have methods in the game to verify and react.
When two RPers agree to do a story, etc (i took your slaves, you killed my sister, whatever), the involved parties consent and the rest of us have an implied trust in their storyline to treat it as fact and act accordingly.
When it's "I killed your sister" and "no you didn't i saw her yesterday", after the rest of us are already reacting with some form of 'oh noes you killed her sister' it makes us all look silly ;)
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I can't for the life of me figure out whether it's some kind of genuine heist, or a he-said-she-said argument, or a bit of both. I've resolved to deal with the tension by exploding more random overconfident Rifter pilots.
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Being in the dark, like your character, can only add realism and good RP. Not knowing the details can only improve interaction. It's good NOT to know what's going on. How -would- your character react with limited information?
So very agreed!
I'm no fan of STON's repetitive (seriously) material, but setting up someone else for a fall, non-consentually?
If that's wrong, I don't want to be right.
Also agreed, but I would be a lot more apt to entertain this if it didn't reek of alts through-and-through. By this point there's not much reason for us to even chime in, at least not regarding this incident.
I can't for the life of me figure out whether it's some kind of genuine heist, or a he-said-she-said argument, or a bit of both. I've resolved to deal with the tension by exploding more random overconfident Rifter pilots.
Probably neither. Feel free to continue popping Rifters in any case.
We were basically left scratching our heads as much as anyone else.
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Who are STON?
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Who are STON?
A corp that loots slaves from jettison cans and mission wrecks and makes a big song and dance about it on the IGS.
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I can't believe he just opened two new topics over that. Sorry guys, that was not the intended outcome. :cry:
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As Tib just said on the IGS, this is not going to end well for them ingame.
Have fun shooting them all you like, we'll just continue reporting the spam threads, and if we have to, they'll be removed from the Summit.
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Herpers gonna herp.
I will say, though, that as much as I find it pretty asinine, the technique of spamming the fuck out of a given venue for each kill gained has some merit, if only in sheer annoyance value to the aggressors. Well, assuming the aggressors give a crap -- which I wouldn't, in their shoes. It's the IGS.
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Herpers gonna herp.
I will say, though, that as much as I find it pretty asinine, the technique of spamming the fuck out of a given venue for each kill gained has some merit, if only in sheer annoyance value to the aggressors. Well, assuming the aggressors give a crap -- which I wouldn't, in their shoes. It's the IGS.
honestly, if I was at war with them, I would be laughing my ass off at what they're doing.
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How does one report spam threads out of game?
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Little flag icon on posts.
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That has to be the most ill-thought-out promise in quite a while.
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From this point on, I am completely ignoring them. They no longer exist.
I have yet to be annoyed by anything as I have been annoyed by them, and that's saying something.
Are we at the point where we can say they are doing it wrong, since they are now breaking forum rules in order to BE MORE ANNOYING?
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So, I read one of their threads - the one where he mouths off at Tib. Is he as annoying in his other threads?
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Are we at the point where we can say they are doing it wrong, since they are now breaking forum rules in order to BE MORE ANNOYING?
They're not doing it here yet, so please refrain if at all possible. This thread (like the ones on the IGS) has a pretty high likelihood of going tits-up, so let's try to be civil and mindful of the rules here so we don't have to shitcan any posts, please? :)
So, I read one of their threads - the one where he mouths off at Tib. Is he as annoying in his other threads?
Yes.
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I'm not interested in interacting with them anymore either, I was going to start an IC 'pledge' thread to promise to never speak to them in the future, if any of you were interested in 'signing' perhaps. But the first rule of trolls is not to feed them and this would violate that...
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I just wrote them a thing, OOC, explaining why what they are doing is a bit of a not-cool thing to do (taking over the IGS with multiple low-content threads, essentially drowning out any other RP that could happen there.)
Posted here..
((I am writing this out of character because I want to explain something.
The fact of the matter is that your current RP is basically making this forum useless for anyone who would also like to use it. While this is the goal of a legitimate sit in, in this case your sit in is basically saying "Stop playing the internet spaceships game, guys."
Can you see how people are getting annoyed with you out of character about this? It's because you've decided the IGS should be the Ston and Manwe and Edaine Proselytization Hour, and that no one else matters.))
Especially now that hes bringing in earth stuff (FD = Frederick Douglass). I think this is fair to say. If he agrees to stop all this, I'll make sure he's unbanned from the Summit as well.
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not being funny but is it possible you are all being trolled?
Surely the best way to counter this kind of posting spam is just not to reply to it and to block the poster? In a couple of days the guy will either have to bump his own threads (and look extremely sad) or just sink without trace. By censuring him in-game and posting in brackets on the summit people are helping him roleplay his persecution complex really.
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not being funny but is it possible you are all being trolled?
Surely the best way to counter this kind of posting spam is just not to reply to it and to block the poster? In a couple of days the guy will either have to bump his own threads (and look extremely sad) or just sink without trace. By censuring him in-game and posting in brackets on the summit people are helping him roleplay his persecution complex really.
The guy bumps his own threads just fine without provocation :P
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So... nobody has considered defending STON from their agressors? For purely IC moralistic reasons? Or just to shut them up?
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I imagine that would invite several immediate wardecs, and also, who wants to be the one defending the behavior?
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I'm just taking it from a purely IC level. What it looks like to me is deathcultists attacking arrogant humanitarians. Yeah, the humanitarians are annoying, but the people attacking them are death cultists. Would the death cultists have popular support just because the humanitarians are annoying?
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Yes.
We are Capsuleers.
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Touche.
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That's been my very favorite IC part of this, all the lovely IC smugness produced from seeing even the anti-slavers and 'good guys' clap the abolitionists being shot to hell.
Love that part, at least ;)
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TRA would, but we've already gone against Seekers, and honestly, it wasn't that fun. And we can't even get into Amarr highsec where STON lives, so we'd really not be all that helpful.
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This is not the first time someone has flooded the IGS, and I do not see why people are making a deal out of this.
not being funny but is it possible you are all being trolled?
Surely the best way to counter this kind of posting spam is just not to reply to it and to block the poster? In a couple of days the guy will either have to bump his own threads (and look extremely sad) or just sink without trace. By censuring him in-game and posting in brackets on the summit people are helping him roleplay his persecution complex really.
This, exactly. One of the best ways to deal with spamming trolls is to ignore them, or submit a report and then ignore them. If they act against the rules of player ran channels and forums, then you ban them because they're specifically infringing on those rules.
So... nobody has considered defending STON from their agressors? For purely IC moralistic reasons? Or just to shut them up?
Reputation, primarily. Defending humanitarians means less in the long run than defending a troublemaker that no one likes, IC or OOC. It's a murky divide issue.
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Yeah, Aldy would not be thrilled at all by this behavior, despite the fact OOC I think this guy is being a tad pants-on-head retarded.
IC-wise I think it really points to an utter lack of morality on the part of capsuleers that they care more about the IGS's cleanliness than the issues really at play here. The IGS is the butthole of the Galnet anyway. TRA's case is of course exempt, but literally no one else has really cared, and somehow I get the feeling it's more motivated by OOC rather than IC annoyance.
Reputation, primarily. Defending humanitarians means less in the long run than defending a troublemaker that no one likes, IC or OOC. It's a murky divide issue.
Indeed. Still seems cop-outty to blast STON just because of that though.
I am rather glad I haven't come back to the game yet, as KotMC would probably be obligated to do something in that sticky mess. Bleh.
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Reputation, primarily. Defending humanitarians means less in the long run than defending a troublemaker that no one likes, IC or OOC. It's a murky divide issue.
Indeed. Still seems cop-outty to blast STON just because of that though.
I am rather glad I haven't come back to the game yet, as KotMC would probably be obligated to do something in that sticky mess. Bleh.
It's not genuine to how it would probably go, but that seems to be the nature of things. The fact it is also a high sec war is probably another factor.
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I can honestly say that extreme radical pacifism is quite incompatible with fraction sovereign individuality and enlightened self defense.
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and somehow I get the feeling it's more motivated by OOC rather than IC annoyance.
Initially no; everyone gets their turn, liberating lives for God, etc.
At this point sure, but we don't even have to coax him anymore and he goes off. Wasn't exactly the outcome we expected but the damage has been done and I guess a mod will notice after Fanfest.
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Ston is starting to piss even me off now. He just made *ANOTHER* tread to deliver two thin paragraphs worth of "we are losing our way, we want CONCORD to change the rules of warfare".
:roll: :bash:
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Ston is starting to piss even me off now. He just made *ANOTHER* tread to deliver two thin paragraphs worth of "we are losing our way, we want CONCORD to change the rules of warfare".
:roll: :bash:
lol thats funny in a kind of desperate way :)
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... just made *ANOTHER* tread to deliver two thin paragraphs worth of "we are losing our way, we want CONCORD to change the rules of warfare".
*** The SCOPE Newsflash: *** The DED and CONCORD today responded to a petition to change the rules of capsuleer warfare. Effective immediately, the sale of all standard MDK munitions will be banned as they are bad and make the baby Jove cry. Rocket launchers will be retrofitted to fire nerf darts. Missile launchers will fire big nerf darts that explode with pretty colours that are, nevertheless, harmless. Cruise missile launchers will fire 'really big' nerf darts - see the missile launcher retrofit description for further details. Blasters, railguns and whatever-the-f*$k those ragtag Minimatar like to put on their 'ships' will also be refashioned to fire safe, fun-for-the-family soft-foam ammunition. Lasers will no longer exist, period, until someone can figure out how to turn them into an effective zero-gravity super-soaker water cannon - sorry Amarr.
STON, you have revealed your hand and at last we have seen through your cunning plan! :D
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Snowball launchers for everybody! \o/
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Ah well, little excitiment/drama on the IGS. I only disapprove of it in the sense of pushing other threads out of sight. For a newcomer to the IGS it must seem like some kind of big conflict is going on. I think it is unfortunate if it was all OOC motivated drama and responded to OOC.
Would like some more conflicts people would actually care about IC and OOC.
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And ISD Eshtir is on the case. 5 threads locked already. :cube:
Edit: 7 threads. Looks like our friendly neighborhood CCL likes RP too. :3
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Indeed, Merdaneth. Frankly, while the Ston People's stuff wasn't my cup of tea, I kind of respected them for creating their own story/conflict, until the Theobar mess and then the response to the SASPR war.
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Pretty much agree with Esna completely. It was a great idea until very recently when it started to become disruptive, and not in a good, "I blew your spaceships up" kind of way.
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This entire shenanigan would have been a lot more fun if I could have, you know, helped them. They chose to base in Amarrian hisec, where IC there is a lot less sympathy for their cause. And to boot, the people who are willing to suport them are often in the Minmatar/Gallente militia anyway....hence we can't come rushing to their aid and such. For example, I could very well have offered to help them out by fleeting them and squad-warping their haulers to instawarps or something like that. I even said something to this effect in-character on the IGS, and received no reply. That, coupled with their choice of home is just incredibly frustrating.
It's almost like they want to be blown up and play martyr.
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That though crossed your mind just now? Far as I saw that was the whole POINT to their actions, otherwise they would not have ignored all aid offers, based way out of range for help anyhow, and constantly undocked to get killed when they knew their enemy was right outside waiting for them.
Add to that the whole desperate makenewtreadforeverylosswecouldhavepreventedbynotundocking and the simple fact is they played the whole pity and martyr card, and thanks to their spamming got neither.
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There's a reason why they're based in amarr highsec.
namely, that amarr highsec borders with other nations, are where the containers containing slaves are found.
E.g. Niarja (amarr highsec) - Kaaputenen (caldari highsec) stargate. Because of the customs border, making slaves illegal, people will drop them at that gate. So, STON , in retrieving them, then has to drop them off in station. And the only place to do that is Amarr highsec.
There's a couple places like that, but, that's the mechanical limitation. Containers with slaves in them, you find in Amarr highsec border systems, and because they're contraband, only place to drop them off is Amarr highsec.
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I hadn't thought of that Louella, and that is a good point. Even so, they could have at least responded directly and stopped undocking to a face-full of lethal pointy things.
But they're not my characters to roleplay, and to each their own. I didn't find their IGS posting annoying per se. Sure it pushed other threads further down, but I've the patience to use the magical scroll wheel. I just would have appreciated a few EVE Mails. "Hey Rek, go ahead man. Let's try and work something out". The lack of such direct communication is really the only reason I get the impression they intended for the RP to head in the direction of "helpless martyrs".
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Another person you need to talk to in order to :diplomacy:.
Smells like a bureucratic delay (IC) and trolling (OOC).
But we'll see. Worst thing that can happen is Mesha will think even less of the 'tribalists'.
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This entire shenanigan would have been a lot more fun if I could have, you know, helped them.
And you know I would have loved this ;)
But it's like Louella said. That's how they're able to make their song and dance so easily for just a few moments of being undocked. And for what they're doing, STON at least has that tactic right, however unfortunately placed it is.
I'd still like to see this thing come to a nice neat close somehow, and we can't lock them down entirely; we Seekers have families and jobs and school and stuff too, and the yammering would eventually drive the greater community insane.
Thanks also to Crow for playing the role of arbiter.
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This entire shenanigan would have been a lot more fun if I could have, you know, helped them.
And you know I would have loved this ;)
But it's like Louella said. That's how they're able to make their song and dance so easily for just a few moments of being undocked. And for what they're doing, STON at least has that tactic right, however unfortunately placed it is.
I'd still like to see this thing come to a nice neat close somehow, and we can't lock them down entirely; we Seekers have families and jobs and school and stuff too, and the yammering would eventually drive the greater community insane.
Thanks also to Crow for playing the role of arbiter.
He has his own horse in the race. ;)
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He has his own horse in the race. ;)
The horse is named "Rampant Hypocrisy" right? I mean, the religious nutjob negotiating with the heretics and the heathens at the same time? :P
(Kidding, for my part - though I confess Morwen is seriously wondering where the hell Crow gets off if he's giving *her* crap about things. ;) )
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He has his own horse in the race. ;)
The horse is named "Rampant Hypocrisy" right? I mean, the religious nutjob negotiating with the heretics and the heathens at the same time? :P
(Kidding, for my part - though I confess Morwen is seriously wondering where the hell Crow gets off if he's giving *her* crap about things. ;) )
Ask that in IC! Should be good for one or more rounds in Summit :lol:
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Yeah, maybe after she's recovered her patience buffer. This nonsense kinda chewed through the vast majority of it. :lol:
Having a huge release coming out this week at work hasn't done much for my own stress/patience levels the past week and a half either, but we go live Friday midnight. \o/