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Thread for the general discussion of The Blood Raider Covenant (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Blood_Raider_Covenant)
To quote from the above-linked wiki:
The Blood Raider Covenant is a particularly gruesome sect of the generally reviled Sani Sabik cult. While all modern Sani Sabik rituals use blood in some manner or another, the Covenant places particular value on the blood of cloned humans, and is utterly ruthless in obtaining it, regularly boarding other spacecraft and abducting all aboard. From their base in Delve (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Category:Delve_(Region)) they launch lightning raiding parties and surprisingly well co-ordinated incursions deep into empire space in pursuit of their goals.
The Blood Raider Covenant's only sub-faction/corporation is Blood Raiders (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Blood_Raiders_(NPC_corporation)) whose CEO is Grand Master Omir Sarikusa (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Omir_Sarikusa), the supreme leader of The Blood Raider Covenant.
Blood Raiders Chronicles:
The Blood Raiders (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/The_Blood_Raiders_(Chronicle))
House of the Holy (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Houses_of_the_Holy_(Chronicle))
Of God and Her Beast (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Of_God_and_Her_Beast_(Chronicle))
End of The World Chronicles:
The Spiral (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/The_Spiral_(Chronicle)) (Audio (http://evereader.phoibe.org/Eve_Reader_-_Episode_4_-_End_of_the_World_-_Chapter_1_-_The_Spiral.mp3))
Half a life (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Half_a_Life_(Chronicle)) (Audio (http://evereader.phoibe.org/Eve_Reader_-_Episode_5_-_End_of_the_World_-_Chapter_2_-_Half_a_Life.mp3))
1 (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/1_(Chronicle)) (Audio (http://evereader.phoibe.org/Eve_Reader_-_Episode_6_-_End_of_the_World_-_Chapter_3_-_1.mp3))
The Great Harvest (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/The_Great_Harvest_(Chronicle)) (Audio (http://evereader.phoibe.org/Eve_Reader_-_Episode_7_-_End_of_the_World_-_Chapter_4_-_The_Great_Harvest.mp3))
We Humans (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/We_Humans_(Chronicle)) (Audio (http://evereader.phoibe.org/Eve_Reader_-_Episode_8_-_End_of_the_World_-_Chapter_5_-_We_Humans.mp3))
World On Fire (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/World_On_Fire_(Chronicle)) (Audio (http://evereader.phoibe.org/Eve_Reader_-_Episode_9_-_End_of_the_World_-_Chapter_6_-_World_On_Fire.mp3))
Other Chronicles:
Kiss of the Soul (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Kiss_of_the_Soul_(Chronicle))
Two Deaths (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Two_Deaths_(Chronicle))
Blood Raider News (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Blood_Raider_News):
YC 106 (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Year_YC106)
Blood Raiders to Start Collecting Jovian Body Parts En Masse (http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/blood-raiders-to-start-collecting-jovian-body-parts-en-masse/)
Blood Raiders Complete Body Part Collection (http://community.testeveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/blood-raiders-complete-body-part-collection/)
Blood Raider Leadership Under a Veil of Silence (http://community.testeveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/blood-raider-leadership-under-a-veil-of-silence/)
Folklore Idols Irk DED Who Warns Against Hero-Worship (http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/folklore-idols-irk-ded-who-warns-against-hero-worship.-1/)
YC 107 (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Year_YC107)
Insorum Imbroglio (March - December YC 107)
Breach Threatens Biotech Company's Reputation, Stock Value (http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/breach-threatens-biotech-companys-reputation-stock-value/)
Highly Dangerous Compound Believed Compromised, Massive Search Underway (http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/highly-dangerous-compound-believed-compromised-massive-search-underway-1/)
Minmatar Republic Claims Caldari State in Breach of Yulai Convention - State in Diplomatic Hot Water (http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/minmatar-republic-claims-caldari-state-in-breach-of-yulai-convention-state-in-diplomatic-hot-water/)
Internal Reports Indicates Prior Untruths on Part of Zainou (http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/internal-report-indicates-prior-untruths-on-part-of-zainou-1/)
Investigation Info Leaked - Special Counsel Moves To Deny (http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/investigation-info-leaked-special-counsel-moves-to-deny/)
Blood Raider Statement Causes Uproar (http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/blood-raider-statement-causes-uproar/)
"Insorum Imbroglio" Puts Focus on Capsuleers as Eyes Turn Toward Blood Raider Covenant (http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/insorum-imbroglio-puts-focus-on-capsuleers-as-eyes-turn-toward-blood-raider-covenant/)
Catastrophe Strikes Amarr Planet - Blood Raiders Claim Responsibility (http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/catastrophe-strikes-amarr-planet-blood-raiders-claim-responsibility/)
Amarr Empire Goes To War (http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/amarr-empire-goes-to-war-1/)
Capsuleers Drawn Into Struggle as Amarr / Blood Raider Fighting Continues (http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/capsuleers-drawn-into-struggle-as-amarr-blood-raider-fighting-continues-1/)
Amarr Forces Deal "Crushing Blow" to Blood Raider Assets (http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/amarr-forces-deal-crushing-blow-to-blood-raider-assets/)
Omir Sarikusa Amused at CONCORD's Claims (http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/omir-sarikusa-amused-at-concords-claims/)
Blood Raiders Strike at the Khanid Empire (http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/blood-raiders-strike-at-the-khanid-empire/)
Eckarine Mitumi-Hnolku Resistance is Broken (http://eve.battleclinic.com/news/3220-Eckarine-Mitumi-Hnolku-resistance-is-broken.html)
An Interview With Khaldorn Murino Regarding Insorum and the U'K, Pt I (http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/an-interview-with-khaldorn-murino-regarding-insorum-and-the-uk-part-one/)
An Interview With Khaldorn Murino Regarding Insorum and the U'K, Pt II (http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/an-interview-with-khaldorn-murino-part-two/)
Protests Held Above Matar - Ushra'Khan Challenges Republic Over Insorum Controversy (http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/protest-held-above-matar-ushrakhan-challenges-republic-over-insorum-controversy/)
YC 108 (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Year_YC108)
Blood Raider Hub Decimated (http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/blood-raider-hub-decimated/)
Stolen Relics Retrieved by Tetrimon Cult (http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/stolen-relics-retrieved-by-tetrimon-cult/)
New Organisation Emerges in Empire Outskirts (http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/new-organisation-emerges-in-empire-outskirts/)
YC 109 (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Year_YC109)
Outlook Grim for The Bleak Lands (http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/outlook-grim-for-the-bleak-lands-1/)
Entire Colony of Minmatar Slaves Goes Missing (http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/entire-colony-of-minmatar-slaves-goes-missing/)
Imperial Court Remains Silent About Bleak Land Troubles (http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/imperial-court-remains-silent-about-bleak-land-troubles/)
Saracens Push Ahead With Fortification Program (http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/saracens-push-ahead-with-fortification-program/)
YC 110 (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Year_YC110)
Holder Anniversary Celebration Disrupted (http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/holder-anniversary-celebration-disrupted/)
Conflicting Reports Come In Regarding Theology Councils Disappearances (http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/conflicting-reports-come-in-regarding-theology-council-disappearances/)
Assassination Attempt on Chamberlain Thwarted; Missing Theology Council Members are Prime Suspects (http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/assassination-attempt-on-chamberlain-thwarted-missing-theology-council-members-are-prime-suspects/)
Midna Lyre (February - May YC 110)
Controversy Surrounds Pop Star Midna's Latest Album (http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/controversy-surrounds-pop-star-midnas-latest-album/)
'Blood Raider' Rumors Continue to Hound Midna (http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/blood-raider-rumors-continue-to-hound-midna/)
An Interview with Midna - Part 1 (http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/an-interview-with-midna-part-1/)
An Interview with Midna - Part 2 (http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/an-interview-with-midna-part-2/)
Reactions Mixed, Extreme Following Midna's Revelation (http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/reactions-mixed-extreme-following-midnas-revelation/)
Midna Concert Awash With Sani Sabik Symbolism (http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/midna-concert-awash-with-sani-sabik-symbolism/)
Ritual Murder in Manar Linked to Sani Sabik, Midna (http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/ritual-murder-in-manar-linked-to-sani-sabik-midna/)
DED Raid Targets Midna Concert, Arrests 7 (http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/ded-raid-targets-midna-concert-arrests-7/)
Attempt Made on Midna's Life During Concert (http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/attempt-made-on-midnas-life-during-concert/)
Blood Raiders Exposed (April - May YC 110)
The Sweetest Shade of Red – Blood Raiders Exposed (http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/the-sweetest-shade-of-red-blood-raiders-exposed/)
Only the Bluest of Blood - Blood Raiders Exposed II (http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/only-the-bluest-of-blood-blood-raiders-exposed-ii/)
Wrung Dry - Blood Raiders Exposed III (http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/wrung-dry-blood-raiders-exposed-iii/)
Corporate Espionage Nets 40+ Ships for Daring Raiders (http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/corporate-espionage-nets-40-ships-for-daring-raiders/)
Blood Raiders Sighted in The Bleak Lands (http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/blood-raiders-sighted-in-the-bleak-lands/)
Khanid Forces Mounting Large-Scale Attacks Against Blood Raider Targets (http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/khanid-forces-mounting-large-scale-attacks-against-blood-raider-targets/)
Royal Khanid Navy Releases Statement on Blood Raider Attacks (http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/royal-khanid-navy-releases-statement-on-blood-raider-attacks/)
Amarr Empire Announce Capture of Former Chamberlain (http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/amarr-empire-announces-capture-of-former-chamberlain/)
YC 111 (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Year_YC111)
Imperial Navy Observer Reports on Khanid Operations Against Blood Raiders (http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/imperial-navy-observer-reports-on-khanid-operations-against-blood-raiders-1/)
Sani Sabik Cults React Strangely to Newly Discovered Crimson Nebula (http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/sani-sabik-cults-react-strangely-to-newly-discovered-crimson-nebula/)
YC 114
Blood Raider Scouts Destroyed by Capsuleers (http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/blood-raider-scouts-destroyed-by-capsuleers/)
YC 115
Blood Raiders Pillage Religious Site on Saikamon (http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/blood-raiders-pillage-religious-site-on-saikamon/)
Empress Jamyl I Becomes Increasingly Erratic, Reports Say (http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/empress-jamyl-i-becoming-increasingly-erratic-reports-say/)
Pirate Factions Express interest in Covert Research Tools (http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/pirate-factions-express-interest-in-covert-research-tools/)
Life in The Blood Raider Covenant:
Sani Sabik (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Sani_Sabik) Faith (Eve: Source has changed the translation of Sani Sabik from "Blood Friends" to "Blood Seed" - Eve: Source, CCP Games pg. 154)
Blooding (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Blooding)
Blood Rituals (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Blood_rituals)
Slavery (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Slavery#Blood_Raiders)
Blood Raider Sites (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Category:Blood_Raider_Sites)
Blood Raider Scientist (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Blood_Raider_Scientist)
Health (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Technology_of_New_Eden#Health)
Blood Reel (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Blood_Reel)
Blood Fund (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Blood_Fund)
Human Farm (http://i.imgur.com/HxYub.jpg)
Stations (http://evemaps.dotlan.net/npc/Blood_Raiders/stations)
Agents (http://evemaps.dotlan.net/npc/Blood_Raiders/agents)
Blood Raider Covenant Rituals (http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=4624.0) (as described to Synthia by the Blood Raider Covenant captain Asias Urazmie (https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/Asias%20Urazmie))
Ships:
Hematos (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Hematos)
Cruor (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Cruor)
Ashimmu (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Ashimmu)
Bhaalgorn (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Bhaalgorn)
NPC Ships (http://eveinfo.com/npcships/)
Events:
Events at the CTCS, with Blood Raider Asias Urazmie (http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=3915.msg62815)
Public Blood Raiders Loss Reports (https://zkillboard.com/corporation/1000134/losses/) (Blood Raiders actor list and ship fittings)
Holy Sites:
Blood Reach
Pagera Manton (http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/the-hitchhikers-guide-to-new-eden-part-iii/)
Scriptures:
Book of Redemption
The Apocryphon (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/The_Apocryphon) (Morning Prayer (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Morning_Prayer))
Book II (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Scriptures#Book_II)
Book of Missions (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Scriptures#Book_of_Missions)
Saint Junip (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Scriptures#Saint_Junip)
Allies:
True Power (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/True_Power_(NPC_corporation))
Dochuta Karsoth (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Dochuta_Karsoth)
Mul-Zatah (http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Mul-Zatah_Monastery)
Crimson Hand (http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Crimson_Hand_Supply_Depot)
Cult of the Lash (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Cult_of_the_Lash)
Darkonnen (http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=6034.msg104224#msg104224)
Takmahl (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Takmahl)
Player Fiction:
Holy Mecca (http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=6263.0) by Anyanka Funk (http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=6276.0)
The Archaeus of God: A Bloodveil quest (http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=413464) by Revan Neferis (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Revan_Neferis)
Priory of Daggers (http://sanguinadieudonne.blogspot.com/) by Sanguina Dieudonne (https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/Sanguina%20Dieudonne)
SEE NO EVIL, PART I (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Stories_by_Lucius_Vindictus#Story:_YR_113.2C_February_14) by Lucius Vindictus (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Lucius_Vindictus_(Character))
The Bhaalgorn Under the Bed (http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=3189.5) (and other stories) by Louella Dougans (http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=532.0)
Heir Proclaimed (http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=831.0) by Jonathan Morrison
If you have something to add, request something to be changed, find typos, or find broken links, please send me a message rather than clog up the thread.
Please keep the discussion on-topic and refrain from comparing The Blood Raider Covenant to any real-life religions or cults (There are other threads for that).
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Besides the general overview of each faction, what makes it stand out ? What will someone expect in RPing that faction ? What will be the challenges, the difficulties, the rewards, ? What is important to keep in mind ? What is the internal political spectrum, and subfactions ? What are the most important milestones of its history ?
Although we have a general overview of The Blood Raider Covenant here, most of the day to day aspects of living as a Blood Raider are covered in-game or in books you have to buy.
The Burning Life (http://books.google.com/books?id=R3bCtWGf0HkC&num=13)
The Empyrean Age (http://books.google.com/books?id=eVckFdSwfUMC&num=13)
Templar One (http://books.google.com/books?id=wGUcq68KDPIC&num=13)
Eve: Source (https://digital.darkhorse.com/profile/4066.eve-source-hc/)
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Ah the Burning Life; nothing spices up a group of ruthless and feared killers like hearing about one of their grandmothers :P
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You put some serious work into this! It looks great & will simplify things for me when I need to look up things about the Blood Raiders in case an article of mine relates to them.
This bit might be of interest of you: Cult of the Lash (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Cult_of_the_Lash) It's a splinter group of the Blood Raiders, mentioned in a mission. Their faith seems to be more centered around pain rather then blood.
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Second that, this is really well compiled, perhaps you could these impressive skills to compiling for the other pirate factions fiction/lore as well!
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Ah the Burning Life; nothing spices up a group of ruthless and feared killers like hearing about one of their grandmothers :P
Even bad men love their grans.
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Helpful compilation. +1
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Also, just a little tidbit from Source: it also retconned that Omir replaced the use of children with clones and instead says that he merely added clones to the preferred list alongside children.
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No where in the links of the original post, besides those of player fiction, is the red god mentioned either. Which seems to be an important thing for Sani Sabik and Blood Raiders in the books. There is no mention of red god in-game as far as I can tell either. Please correct me if I am wrong.
Also, since we are on the subject of what EVE: Source has said about certain things. It also states that there is no need to believe in red god or anything supernatural to be Sani Sabik or Blood Raider. And as for bleeding children along side clones, it is said that all Sani Sabik must donate their blood to the Covenant for use in science, religious ritual, and for making blood-based foodstuffs which the Blood Raiders and loyal Sani Sabik subsist on for nourishment.
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eve source, 1st edition, hardback, ISBN 978-1-61655-271-8
p 154.
"The Sani Sabik universally believe in the Red God."
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And yet the whole point of Sani Sabik originally was that there wasn't anything universal.
I like Source but the Blood Raider chapter is shit. They couldn't decide whether they wanted to talk about Blood Raiders or Sani Sabik as a whole, and so just swapped the terms at random throughout the chapter. Personally, I consider Source's chapter to be about Blood Raiders only (afterall, that's what it was intended to describe), and continue to refer to the EVElopedia article for the non-Blood Raider Sani Sabik sects.
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No where in the links of the original post, besides those of player fiction, is the red god mentioned either. Which seems to be an important thing for Sani Sabik and Blood Raiders in the books. There is no mention of red god in-game as far as I can tell either. Please correct me if I am wrong.
Also, since we are on the subject of what EVE: Source has said about certain things. It also states that there is no need to believe in red god or anything supernatural to be Sani Sabik or Blood Raider. And as for bleeding children along side clones, it is said that all Sani Sabik must donate their blood to the Covenant for use in science, religious ritual, and for making blood-based foodstuffs which the Blood Raiders and loyal Sani Sabik subsist on for nourishment.
It does say that the Red God is a 'universal' for Sabik. And the context of the children reference certainly implies they are targeted under Omir just as much as clones.
Edit: I didn't see Louella's mention of the Red God bit before I posted this...
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And yet the whole point of Sani Sabik originally was that there wasn't anything universal.
I like Source but the Blood Raider chapter is shit. They couldn't decide whether they wanted to talk about Blood Raiders or Sani Sabik as a whole, and so just swapped the terms at random throughout the chapter. Personally, I consider Source's chapter to be about Blood Raiders only (afterall, that's what it was intended to describe), and continue to refer to the EVElopedia article for the non-Blood Raider Sani Sabik sects.
It doesn't bother me as much because Source clearly says that the term 'Red God' can be interpreted in many different ways. It leaves a huge amount of wiggle room for it to not be an actual deity but instead a reference to a state of being of the Chosen that have the proper respect and use of blood. At least that is how I read it.
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eve source, 1st edition, hardback, ISBN 978-1-61655-271-8
p 154.
"The Sani Sabik universally believe in the Red God."
I won't quote, but on the next page of EVE: Source, pg. 155. It says that the members of the society of Blood Raiders and thus Sani Sabik have burial rights (which also implies they are physically buried after death) which include writing their names in a Book of the Dead. Then it states that even the members who do not believe in fantastical or intangible aspects of the religion are still part of this society by keeping Sani Sabik alive.
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fantastical aspects of the religion would be like, whether Bhaalgorns exist as actual creatures in the physical world.
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eve source, 1st edition, hardback, ISBN 978-1-61655-271-8
p 154.
"The Sani Sabik universally believe in the Red God."
I won't quote, but on the next page of EVE: Source, pg. 155. It says that the members of the society of Blood Raiders and thus Sani Sabik have burial rights (which also implies they are physically buried after death) which include writing their names in a Book of the Dead. Then it states that even the members who do not believe in fantastical or intangible aspects of the religion are still part of this society by keeping Sani Sabik alive.
I just reread all of that bit today, and it seemed to imply people that are essentially 'employees.' Go along with everything because it's what you do if you live in those parts of Delve and want to join, but don't actually believe any of it. At least that's how I read it.
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We might want to make a distinction between "Omir's" spinoff of the Sabik and Sabik in general.
Omir took over one particular Sabik Cult and built them up into a pirate cartel, changing their beliefs and religion to reflect his wishes.
Not the same as various Sabik across New Eden, especially old-school True Amarr Sabik.
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I thought the distinction was clear. This thread is about The Blood Raider Covenant, not Sani Sabik in general and especially not True Amarr Sabik.
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As Sami said, the difficulty is that Source has several instances where it refers to 'Sabik,' such as the universalism of Red God (in whatever form), and other parts of the Raider article where it is talking about Raiders specifically.
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eve source, 1st edition, hardback, ISBN 978-1-61655-271-8
p 154.
"The Sani Sabik universally believe in the Red God."
I won't quote, but on the next page of EVE: Source, pg. 155. It says that the members of the society of Blood Raiders and thus Sani Sabik have burial rights (which also implies they are physically buried after death) which include writing their names in a Book of the Dead. Then it states that even the members who do not believe in fantastical or intangible aspects of the religion are still part of this society by keeping Sani Sabik alive.
I just reread all of that bit today, and it seemed to imply people that are essentially 'employees.' Go along with everything because it's what you do if you live in those parts of Delve and want to join, but don't actually believe any of it. At least that's how I read it.
It gives a general overview of a religious society in the future. In-game, the Blood Raider agents mention Covenant Law but do not specify too much about it. In EVE: Source they mention secular rules but only specify that they don't include fantastical or intangible beliefs.
Also , a little to add to this discussion, a note about the Book of the Dead. Anya asked quite a few Sani Sabik roleplayers about their belief in the red god. An interesting answer was given by Vlad Cetes. No, that character does not believe in red god but does claim to be Sani Sabik. He also told me he was in the Covenant's book since that was granted by helping Asias Urazmie with an event some time ago. That would be clear indication of the way the Covenant works.
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As Sami said, the difficulty is that Source has several instances where it refers to 'Sabik,' such as the universalism of Red God (in whatever form), and other parts of the Raider article where it is talking about Raiders specifically.
Well as I said, the issue with it is that Source interchanges using 'blood raider' and 'sabik' in referring to the same thing. The blood raider chapter refers to blood raiders as if they were the only sani sabik sect and their culture applies to all of them, while then saying that blood raiders are not the only sect and are very different from most other sects. The golden vial thing especially should be only a blood raider thing, not a sabik thing, because the golden vial was something that was unique to Antar--he carried his drugs in it--who later became a leading blood raider and had never been part of any non-raider sani sabik sect. Ergo it makes sense that the golden vial idea could have spread from Antar to the rest of the blood raiders, but not that it's suddenly a universal thing for all sani sabik sects everywhere when most of them have no idea who Antar is nor any reason to care about him if they did; plenty of sani sabik sects don't like or agree with the blood raiders, afterall.
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I agree with that, but there are portions of it where they seem to be intentionally talking about Sabik's. I mean, to use the word 'universal' with the Red God part certainly seems intentional. You don't accidentally phrase it like that. It then starts talking about a couple ways of interpreting it, which seem to be a bit more Raider specific.
But with how much the various PF continually reference the divergent and myriad nature of the Sabik sects, this really isn't one of those that I would ever try to YDIW someone if they wanted a more old-school, church-style cult.
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I'm not saying it wasn't intentional where they do try to do that. I'm saying it was stupid. :P
Sani Sabik RP is best when there's variety, when the Blood Raiders represent only one unique sect among many. Having more than the most basic commonalities between the sects reduces the allure of it.
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Not to derail the thread, but since we are talking about Source I just have to say that I think the Gallente section was surprisingly the best overall section. It feels ironic to me, considering how few Feddy RPers we see around now. Second best, in my opinion, would be the Gurista section.
I didn't mind the Raider section much and I did like some of the retconning, especially getting rid of the idea that Omir replaced targeting children with clones. That never made sense to me. There are far too few available clones to raid to replace children.
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They raided everyone anyway. Children and especially clones happened to be the pristine blood, nothing else.
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They raided everyone anyway. Children and especially clones happened to be the pristine blood, nothing else.
Your flippancy is inaccurate. There are several references to 'targeting.' These sort of topics are relevant.
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I don't understand how it is contrary to what I said... ?
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As Sami said, the difficulty is that Source has several instances where it refers to 'Sabik,' such as the universalism of Red God (in whatever form), and other parts of the Raider article where it is talking about Raiders specifically.
Well as I said, the issue with it is that Source interchanges using 'blood raider' and 'sabik' in referring to the same thing. The blood raider chapter refers to blood raiders as if they were the only sani sabik sect and their culture applies to all of them, while then saying that blood raiders are not the only sect and are very different from most other sects. The golden vial thing especially should be only a blood raider thing, not a sabik thing, because the golden vial was something that was unique to Antar--he carried his drugs in it--who later became a leading blood raider and had never been part of any non-raider sani sabik sect. Ergo it makes sense that the golden vial idea could have spread from Antar to the rest of the blood raiders, but not that it's suddenly a universal thing for all sani sabik sects everywhere when most of them have no idea who Antar is nor any reason to care about him if they did; plenty of sani sabik sects don't like or agree with the blood raiders, afterall.
Just for anyone's info; Antar did not originate the golden vial tradition within the Sani Sabik. In The Burning Life, Drem's grandmother as well as others at Drem's brother's wake were wearing red filled golden vials and rubbing them as they chanted.
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Huh. I wasn't aware of that. Thanks for the info. I really need to pick up the books, but can't find them in stores or on torrents. :/
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Something else I want to add, an observation. In The Burning Life, Drem's brother Leip died of Sabik's Sepsis, a blood disease. It is a rare disease that he was born with and usually goes away by puberty. We can only assume about how one gets this disease. But having this blood disease in adulthood was cause for any new children related to Leip to be denied entry into the book of dead and shunned from their society unless they struck Leip solely, which meant he could not have a funeral or be buried. Even with diseased blood Leip's immediate family still wanted to have a funeral for him. Which would mean they would bleed him, drink his blood and consume his flesh. I assume drinking his poisoned blood would not just be sacrilege but taint their blood as well. But maybe not. But if it does taint their blood as well then I assume adults would have built an immunity to the disease by constantly fortifying their blood which a child has not done yet. Drem states that the Bleeder is lashing out at the children in the family to get Leip removed from the book of dead. But I think maybe there might actually be a health concern there that the Bleeder is trying to take care of before it or word of it spreads.
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Blood Raider ship crew composition for capsuleers (references: New Eden crew guidelines (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/New_Eden_Crew_Guidelines), Ship crew (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Ship_crew), Half a Life (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Half_a_Life_(Chronicle)))
Blood Raider ships crew most likely consists of engineers, quartermasters, blood raider scientists, blood raiders, clergy, slaves, and miscellaneous people. Alluded to in Half a Life, Some (if not all) blood raider vessels have medical facilities installed in them for bleeding. Being smaller ships of both Amarr and Minmatar design, the typical range of crew would be lower-range.
Hematos - 0-5 crew members with ~0-1 of each type of crew member
Cruor - 6-10 crew members with ~1-2 of each type of crew member
Ashimmu - 125-200 crew members with ~20-33 of each type of crew member
Bhaalgorn - 2,150-4,000 crew members with ~358-666 of each type of crew member
Edit: Fixed numbers according to new data received in this (http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=6128.0) thread.
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As we know from Eve: Source pg. 156, Blood Raiders mass produce highly nutritious blood-based foodstuffs to feed the growing flock.
Here is an article containing nutritional information for using animal blood in food
Blood and egg - Nordic Food Lab (http://nordicfoodlab.org/blog/2013/9/blood-and-egg)
And here is a Wikipedia link for a list of other foodstuffs that can be made using blood
Blood as food (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_as_food)
If you are in the United States and would like to try blood-based food, any Puerto-Rican fast food restaurant should have Morcilla (Delicious spicy blood sausage) and most European meat markets in the north carry Blutwurst or Kishka (Both are great fried with Sriracha sauce over Pierogies) and in the south you can find black Boudin (Really spicy Cajun blood sausage) at most places that sell Cajun food.
This info could be useful for Blood Raider roleplayers. Thanks to Bai'Xao for Nordic Food Lab link.
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I've had Blodplättar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blodpl%C3%A4ttar) before. BF likes it, but I find it disgusting. <.<
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Oh, they put spices into their black boudin in there ? That's rather funny. Wonder what it tastes like. What kind of spices ? :)
Edit : sorry didn't want to derail, will answer to PMs.
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I've had black pudding. I used to eat it for breakfast on a semi-regular basis. I think it is tasty, although somewhat spicy.
My friend's father can't stand it, because that is all he had to eat as a child in World War 2.
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So Blood Raiders eat blood-based foodstuffs as we know. Where this stuff comes from and is processed is a thing too!
A Human Farm (http://eveinfo.com/npcship/19712/eve-online-humanfarm.html) (old pic (http://i.imgur.com/HxYub.jpg)) would be the place. In the 2/10 DED complex "Blood Raider Human Farm (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Blood_Raider_Human_Farm)", there is an incoming transmission that states:
Incoming DED Transmission - For many people, the so-named "human farm" is the single most terrifying aspect of the Covenant's legend: an extensive facility, often spanning several pockets of deadspace, where captured human beings are harvested for their blood, sustained in a weakened state on endless treadmills of excruciating torment. While some choose to disbelieve that such places exist, the facts of the matter unfortunately speak for themselves.
The Slavery (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Slavery#Blood_Raiders) wiki states:
Unlike the Empire, the Blood Raiders do not take slaves as a means of prolonged religious conversion. Instead, the Blood Raiders treat their slaves as human cattle, keeping them in massive “blood farms” which they use for their many rituals.
Most of those captured were not destined to live much longer, but the healthiest and most desirable captives were enslaved and forcibly bred to expand the Raiders' stocks.
With that information I would assume that human farms are populated by Blood Raider Scientists (http://eveinfo.com/item/GID17-283-24238/commodity/livestock/blood-raider-scientist.html) and Breeder Slaves (http://eveinfo.com/item/GID17-283-26901/commodity/livestock/breeder-slave.html) and (unlike the Amarrian Breeding Facility (http://eveinfo.com/npcship/26895/eve-online-amarrian-breeding-facility.html) that lets slaves procreate with each other) Blood Raiders take a more scientific approach to slave breeding that would be administered by their various breeding programs.
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Anything more that is known ? I don't know where to place the Mul-Zatah, the Darkkonen, or the Crimson Hand, as I don't know much about them.
I've heard of Darkonnen but was not sure about them either. So I looked it up.
Via EVEINFO.COM (http://forum.eveinfo.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=661&start=60#p3202):
Kidnappers Strike - The Kidnapping (3 of 10)
Mission briefing
We urgently need help intercepting a group of kidnappers who just managed to snatch the niece of our CEO while she was visiting her uncle in this very system. We believe the perpetrators were a gang of mercenaries led by a felon working for an illegal organization called the Darkonnen. I'll fill you in on the details of that organization in your mission journal.
What I need you to do is capture this agent of theirs, alive if possible. We must have him here for interrogation, for we suspect he is the missing link between the kidnapping and those who are truly responsible for this heinous crime. We need to get to the bottom of which organization stands behind these grave assaults against our people. And it so happens that we know the whereabouts of a certain pirate who has had many dealings with a Darkonnen agent in the past; we hope this pirate will be able to lead you to the agent. The only catch is that he will most likely require a bit of "convincing" on your part before he parts with the needed information. I'll upload the bookmark to his location into your NeoCom; once you have extracted the information from the middleman, I expect you to find the Darkonnen agent and bring him back to me.
The Darkonnen
The Darkonnen is an organization that sprung up from rogue elements within the Khanid Kindgom, starting off as a small band of smugglers operating between lawless space and Khanid-controlled territory. They were renowned for their ruthlessness in dealing with their competitors, eliminating a good deal of small-time criminals within the Kingdom, as well as cleverly eluding the local authorities most of the time. A few years ago, their founder and leader, Michelin Adonnis, was captured by Khanid secret police and sentenced to life in prison for various offenses. His arrest caused a slight setback for the outlawed organization, but in the end it turned out to be not enough to halt their inevitable expansion. Today they are a well known pirate/smuggler network who base their operations in numerous systems in Amarr and Khanid space.
Kidnappers Strike - The Secret Meeting (7 of 10)
Mission briefing
I just received an anonymous transmission asking me to send you specifically to a meeting place in Amarr. It also said that the person you are to meet there has information that could be vital to our investigation of the disappearance of our CEO's niece. I'm reluctant to send you, since this may be a trap, but I really have no choice. If I send someone else, though, I could be compromising the investigation. So I ask you, please head out to the bookmarked location which was given to me through the anonymous transmission. Be sure to record anything said to you and save it into your ship's database, and then return with it to me.
Objective
Meet with the Darkonnen Envoy. Do not attack them. Listen to what they have to say.:
Meassage at warp in:
"Welcome, agent. I presume you are the one who reduced our base to rubble. That really ... complicated our operations, and caused our leader to become quite ... angry. Even so we don't blame you for it, you were simply following orders.
We were quite surprised to find out that the authorities had discovered the location of our outpost which you destroyed. We were certain that we had been betrayed, and during our thorough investigation of the matter we discovered that not only had we been betrayed but also framed by our most loathsome rivals, the Blood Raiders. They were the ones who kidnapped the girl and started this whole mess, we had nothing to do with it. Their obvious motive was to trick your government into attacking our base, which paralyzed our operations in the area, and resulted in the loss of most of our clients in these parts.
Although we found it hard to believe at first, we have a long-standing relationship with the Blood Raiders and regularly supply them with goods they cannot acquire through other means. Their meddling in our affairs makes no sense. But the evidence is overwhelming, and therefore we must act.
Now here is where you come in. We led you here for a reason, this acceleration gate leads straight to a Blood Raider convoy, ferrying some very valuable goods which they purchased from us. It's escort team is not prepared for a sneak attack, and so this should give you the perfect opportunity to strike. Capture their leader, and your people may be able to acquire information leading to the girl through him. I'm sure he will give you the answer you seek, and hopefully end this crusade against our corporation.
As you will undoubtedly notice, the acceleration gate is open. There are no guards, feel free to jump through it. But be warned, keep your distance from us or we will be forced to attack and defend ourselves. We came here only for dialogue, not conflict."
So are the Darkonnen Sani Sabik? Could be, but probably not. Are they Blood Raiders' Allies? They could be, but with a lot of animosity towards each other.
Something else I noticed:
Kidnappers Strike - The Final Battle (10 of 10)
Mission briefing
Our intelligence team has just informed us of new evidence that apparently points to the girl being held in a Blood Raider stronghold in Mabnen. According to our information, she is being held in their chapel and is going to be sacrificed in the near future in one of their bloody rituals. We must see that she is returned to her family safely before those despicable Blood Raider fanatics murder her.
There is a fundamental problem, however; the Blood Raiders are fully aware of our intention to free her and have sent in a fleet of their battleships to guard their outpost. Now, I certainly do not expect you to fight against such odds, but I firmly believe you capable of infiltrating their base, rescuing the girl, and escaping with your ship intact.
We have located a series of acceleration gates leading straight to the chapel. Once you arrive at the final room, all you have to do is destroy the chapel and retrieve the girl from the ejected safety capsule. (All of their chapels have this mechanism in place to save their priests from death should the structure be obliterated.) If we send in a fleet of ships, the Blood Raiders will simply kill her as soon as they realize they have lost. We need to hit them fast and hard, with a small force, before they know what hit them. That is the only chance we have of getting her out of there alive.
Now, if you do not find the girl alive after destroying the chapel, then active your warp drive immediately and get out of there! I wouldn't want to lose you needlessly. But rest assured, should you fall, then I will personally make sure the Raider scum pay the price. Good luck.
All Blood Raider Chapel (http://eveinfo.com/npcship/16731/eve-online-blood-raider-chapel.html)s have safety capsules in place to save their priests from death should the structure be obliterated.
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How Young Blood Might Help Reverse Aging, Yes Really (https://youtu.be/CsECS5qsGLs).
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Blood Raider Prison Camp (http://gamingwithdaopa.ellatha.com/eveonline/blood-raider-prison-camp/)
The Blood Raider Covenant deals as fiercely with internal problems as it does with external foes. Blood Raider prisons are infamous for their re-education programs. Inmates are subjected to highly structured brainwashing and torture regimes until they accept the salvation of Omir Sarikusa’s Sani Sabik sect. Fatalities as a result of this process are common.