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EVE-Online RP Discussion and Resources => EVE OOC Summit => Topic started by: Makkal on 27 Jun 2013, 07:59
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Can anyone tell me about this organization?
It seems to be a single person with a large number of alts. I know the 'rescuing from death cans' is legit but do the members do anything else in space?
They've moved their robbery to the Khanid Kingdoms and I'm wondering if there's a chance for interaction. If Makkal could make it out of Syndicate that is.
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I know at one time there were other actual players in the organization, I am not sure if they are still there.
They're apparently peaceful (hm) collectors of jetcanned slaves to avoid illegality fines.
I have only heard stories as to the results of deccing the Disciple(s) asnd shooting the unarmed ships at one's leisure.
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Will do my best to avoid the forum nerf bat here:
Many many alts, posting the same thing to the IGS every week or two. The content they are delivering hasn't changed in the last year or so, it's the same posts ad nauseum for twenty or thirty pages.
They got shot at once, and started an IGS forum 'protest' for every time they lost a ship, shitting up the forums with 7 or 8 threads which were finally GM axed for spam after many flags.
One of the few organizations where my OOC and IC dislikes line up perfectly.
I'm sure there are players out there who like them, but I haven't run across too many that like their M.O. and how they interact with the IGS and other RPers.
My opinion, of course.
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They used to be at least neutrally-regarded.
Then their reaction to getting wardecced by SASPR (Koro's EoM corp) was to flip the hell out and spam the IGS with new threads every time they lost a ship - to the point that forum moderators slapped them with a brick and told them to knock it off.
That was when they lost most 'public' support - even though at one point she was considering throwing a dec at someone to defend them, Morwen would happily go stalk them in Niarja and splatter them across the Kaaputenen stargate when they go suspect after nicking from a can now; that's how obnoxious they've become.
As for opportunities for interaction, there are very few, if any, outside of deccing them or shooting them; all they're doing in Kingdom space is buying slaves off the NPC market and claiming GRATE VICTOLY on the IGS.
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I adore the Stonites. They add needed content. I like that every one of their posts is a subtle reminder that capsuleers are inhuman uncaring monsters. Helps set the tone of the universe. "Unwanted humans in my cargo hold? Fucka-youuuuu!" *fwooooshhhh*
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Oh, okay.
IGS chatter only then.
I adore the Stonites. They add needed content. I like that every one of their posts is a subtle reminder that capsuleers are inhuman uncaring monsters. Helps set the tone of the universe. "Unwanted humans in my cargo hold? Fucka-youuuuu!" *fwooooshhhh*
Agreed.
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I don't mind 'em. They're harmless, even if a tad annoying at times. I kind of like the humanitarian slant they take though. It's better than moar grimdark.
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I should clarify I like the concept of the organization quite a bit.
How they have acted in-game to the most minor of setbacks makes me cringe, though.
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I should clarify I like the concept of the organization quite a bit.
How they have acted in-game to the most minor of setbacks makes me cringe, though.
Yeah I'll agree with that. The dec reaction was too much. Honestly, they had potential to establish themselves there as good RPers and classy trolls.
"Oh, you wanna shoot me while I collect cans? That's cool. I needed an excuse to buy this new cloaking device anyway. Oh hey, have you met my friends from the Marmite Collective?...oh you did?...they what your frozen corpse?...oh too bad...were there pictures?"
Yes I'm a horrible person and I care not.
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Yeah, I like the humanitarian concept - I mean, obviously, look at how many humanitarian things I've done/gotten involved with on Morwen, ffs - but their execution/implementation of that concept is what makes me curl up sobbing in the shower.
They don't do anything that can be interacted with by other players except via the IGS, and gatecamping in Niarja. They're just... there. You can't affect them in any real tangible way.
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They're just... there. You can't affect them in any real tangible way.
That seems sad.
I mean, they're spending X amount of money a month to support all those alts and they seem interested in RPing on some level.
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I've contemplated deccing them once or twice - for, among other things, the reasons you laid out in Makkal's post on the IGS just a little while ago - but the fact that they really just have no tangible in-space presence on their 'mains' means it'd be a waste of money and little more than a symbolic gesture of "fuck you, lawbreakers, rawr".
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I should clarify I like the concept of the organization quite a bit.
How they have acted in-game to the most minor of setbacks makes me cringe, though.
This sums them up well for me. There not bad as long as you keep them at arms length.
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Pretty much standing in the same corner as most others here - concept is moderately interesting, execution is meh at best.
Personally, they've fallen back to "minor curiosity/slight annoyance" now that they keep their spamming to a single thread; endlessly buffing a single thread is, in my opinion, no worse than the separate threads of repetitive topics we get on the IGS so often.
That said, IC, Esna has no reason to regard them as anybody worth contacting, as they have displayed a (to him) worrying mix of anti-Amarr sentiment and sheer incompetence.
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It would be interesting - and this is purely my inner troll coming out here - to try and figure out a way to interact with them in such a way that they're forced to act. Not a simple war dec, or merely shooting their ships when they take slaves from your can, but something that forces their hand ideologically.
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It would be interesting - and this is purely my inner troll coming out here - to try and figure out a way to interact with them in such a way that they're forced to act. Not a simple war dec, or merely shooting their ships when they take slaves from your can, but something that forces their hand ideologically.
IC I have them 500,000 slaves on the condition they would shut the hell up on the IGS for a few weeks.
Best few weeks -ever-.
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It would be interesting - and this is purely my inner troll coming out here - to try and figure out a way to interact with them in such a way that they're forced to act. Not a simple war dec, or merely shooting their ships when they take slaves from your can, but something that forces their hand ideologically.
IC I have them 500,000 slaves on the condition they would shut the hell up on the IGS for a few weeks.
Best few weeks -ever-.
It sounds as though you could maybe work out a lasting relationship there.
Buy their silence. Literally.
Personally, I've really got nothing against them. The idea's neat, if a little limited. A bit of evolution would be nice to see, but, for the moment ... at best, I appreciate the effort (and the obvious dedication); at worst, I just don't care.
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when they go suspect after nicking from a can now
What I took from this thread: Can flipping got nerfed. :lol:
EDIT: Also taking this:
Fucka-youuuuu!" *fwooooshhhh*
Oh, and btw, if Silas ever wants to 'emancipate' 500k units of the ingame item "Slave" into Havohej's hands in exchange for a pre-determined period of silence from him on the IGS, let me know.
Hand-off must be done in Amarr highsec, or some other place where the alt I transfer said units of said item to will be able to immediately liquidate.
:D
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Ché, and by extension me, quite like his posts, but I don't recall his spamming days. Ché was considering having a chat with Ston, and recently exchanged some mails. So far, not seen anything that put me off.
I'll see how things develop, but I kinda liked doing some deathcan rescues myself.
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It would be interesting - and this is purely my inner troll coming out here - to try and figure out a way to interact with them in such a way that they're forced to act. Not a simple war dec, or merely shooting their ships when they take slaves from your can, but something that forces their hand ideologically.
I wanted to use an alt to eject a can filled with Marines and an Amarr Sympathizer to see if it got added to the blog and how they reacted to it.
Also they believe in ZERO violence. They wouldn't hire a merc corp.
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I have to say, I'd like to encounter their "operation" and rp-pewpew with them :P
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[...], the grimdark I'm serving you here is the realization that however you look at it, the actions of the Stonites prove they seek only one thing.
It is not to protect human life or dignity, [...]
I agree.
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I don't really have a strong opinion on them, other then being completely dumbfounded by what enjoyment they're getting out of what they do.
Why be in a sandbox at all if you're only going to sit in the corner with your arms crossed and stare scornfully at the people playing in it?
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To play devil's advocate, maybe that's how they have fun in the sandbox... After all, it's a sandbox, they do what they want.
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To play devil's advocate, maybe that's how they have fun in the sandbox... After all, it's a sandbox, they do what they want.
This.
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They're interesting peeps, and the corp and it's MO were a good concept.
The one thing that I have a problem with, other than their habit of spamming IGS with inconsequential BS, is the fact that Ston himself has been caught out lying about his 'slave saviour' activities.
During more than one engagement while I was in SASPR, Ston was flying between gates and stations in his capsule, generally in the niarja (spelling?) area, yet the IGS posts of 'today i saved X slaves from certain doom in jetcans' continued.
During all of this time, a 23.5/7 watch had been kept on his activities, and he had not logged in other than the hour or so we were chasing his pod (them things warp too fast :P )
if i remember right Cruci got his pod once but he came back out in another one.
The day after, he logged in, undocked in a rookie ship, lost it in seconds, then docked and logged. Less than 15 mins later another 'i saved a number of slaves' post appearred....
now, it could be that he just keeps a record of previous jetcan rescues to use on quiet days, but it doesn't seem that way to me.
Still.. an interesting idea, if badly implemented.
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They're interesting peeps, and the corp and it's MO were a good concept.
The one thing that I have a problem with, other than their habit of spamming IGS with inconsequential BS, is the fact that Ston himself has been caught out lying about his 'slave saviour' activities.
During more than one engagement while I was in SASPR, Ston was flying between gates and stations in his capsule, generally in the niarja (spelling?) area, yet the IGS posts of 'today i saved X slaves from certain doom in jetcans' continued.
During all of this time, a 23.5/7 watch had been kept on his activities, and he had not logged in other than the hour or so we were chasing his pod (them things warp too fast :P )
if i remember right Cruci got his pod once but he came back out in another one.
The day after, he logged in, undocked in a rookie ship, lost it in seconds, then docked and logged. Less than 15 mins later another 'i saved a number of slaves' post appearred....
now, it could be that he just keeps a record of previous jetcan rescues to use on quiet days, but it doesn't seem that way to me.
Still.. an interesting idea, if badly implemented.
Pretty much proves my point for me, the direct wording can be found in the catacombs though.
Nothing else to say on this topic for me.
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They are fun to RP with... I had joined up with Edaine's corporation (who was another alt I think) and helped fund Ston for awhile. Then I had to shoot something and that was around the end of their Wardec protests. I stayed in during those just so I could have some fun with Silent Paradise... as my gaming was getting dull and boring at the time.
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Since reading this thread I have contacted them as well, if in a round about manner.
The RP was logical and appropriate considering the venue and subject.
Having been on both the sides of the "your doing it wrong" argument, personally I have decided to support other peoples RP as best I can, regardless of what I think about their method or topic.