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General Discussion => General Non-RP EVE Discussion => Topic started by: Lunarisse Aspenstar on 14 Nov 2014, 11:21
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OMG!
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=385433&find=unread
It's a start! :)
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EeeeeeeeoooooowwwwwwwhoooooooshhDAKKADAKKADAKKA!!!
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My most favorite thing.
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Gonna be amazing in small, fast ships and Capitals (dat precise control).
Relatively pointless in anything bigger than a cruiser but smaller than a Carrier.
Interesting implications for racing?
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o.O
How will it even work with 2 sec server ticks?
But omg gimmegimmegimme /o\
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o.O
How will it even work with 2 sec server ticks?
But omg gimmegimmegimme /o\
Emphasis mine.
It's technically a 1sec tick but it's still gonna be hilarious to see how well (or poorly) it works in practice.
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It will be interesting to see if they decide to take this even further and start supporting joysticks and stuff. That might indicate it is more an impression of pressure from things like Elite and Star Citizen, rather than a focus group in Iceland. Also, seems sort of awkward as a control scheme unless they are also locking the view on the ship.
Between this and the clone thing, I thought they were doing a really late April Fools thing for a second, because that is two awfully big changes.
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A nice addition, one that I hope works well for those who use it.
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Also, seems sort of awkward as a control scheme unless they are also locking the view on the ship.
Interesting, I was thinking the opposite, I would love to be able to use this in combination with camera turning around my ship. But maybe that's the sub-warp racer in me.
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suddenly in local
Random pilot > wwwwwwww
Someone else > lol
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Also, seems sort of awkward as a control scheme unless they are also locking the view on the ship.
It's not. Star Trek Online uses this control scheme and it works perfectly fine when your camera isn't locked onto your ship. It's actually more useful in combat to have it locked onto your target than in a chasecam position.
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Well, it should be interesting to try out, at least. They use WASD in STO, then?
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They do, yes.
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Damn it anyway, people. I'm already bad enough at PvP. Now people are going to be manually flying circles around me.
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o.O
How will it even work with 2 sec server ticks?
But omg gimmegimmegimme /o\
Emphasis mine.
It's technically a 1sec tick but it's still gonna be hilarious to see how well (or poorly) it works in practice.
Ooops, yeap my bad one sec ticks.
And yeah, it will be interesting to see if frig scram kiting and slingshotting kiters in to webs will be possible with this.
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As I was saying in OOC earlier, there are two big flaws with the idea that this is going to be groundbreaking or game-changing in any significant fashion.
1) The aforementioned one-second server ticks. I don't know how twitchy the movement will actually be until I get a chance to play with it on Sisi, but my suspicion is that however twitchy it is, that tick is going to screw with a lot of the 'finesse' piloting that works with mouseclicks.
2) The EVE client only accepts (and maps) input through two sources: keypresses, and mouseclicks. You aren't going to be doing anything fancy like assigning a joystick axis to a range of directions like you would in a flight simulator; you're going to be assigning a simple on/off keybind to WASD or whatever you prefer. That means that CCP is going to have to determine a "keyboard turn rate" for each ship based on various stats, and that is the ONLY speed your ship will turn when you press the appropriate button. There won't be slight jinks or hard turns - you will be changing direction at one rate no matter which direction or how hard you push down on that key. The only thing that'll change that is how long you hold the key down. Pres butan, turn ship. Let go of butan, stop turning. That is the only control you'll have, and it's not as much as I think people are expecting it to be.
I'm expecting it's actually going to work better not for small things like frigates, but for cruisers and up, based on these limitations.
In the end, it's cute, but it's a gimmick that is likely intended to stave off the whiny "b-b-b-but I don't wanna click to do things" people leaving the game after 5 minutes. Arguably, if those people used the movement control scheme as a reason to stop playing, odds are they weren't going to stick around very long anyway even if it ceases being an issue.
Edit: Played with it a bit. See the above (unchanged) post for my review of the feature.
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There's an additional factor present in that while the ship models will physically turn immediately on a button being pressed, their actual flight direction is still controlled by the game's vector-based engine (AKA, 'submarine space physics'). As a result, it is entirely possible to get a ship to drift sideways or even backwards relative to the model's 'front'. It looks cool a some points, but having it happen all the time...?
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Hmm. The way Morgen described it was not how I imagined it would be, and I guess I don't like that. I was hoping it was working more like: point camera, press forward butan, ship turns to camera's viewing direction.
Don't like the fact that you need to hold the key to complete the turn. Seems very...un-EVE-like to me.
Time to provide some feedback on a feature I have not used yet? :s :psyccp: <---And what is the proper use of this...emoticon anyway?
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If it becomes popular perhaps there'll be a second arc below the speed window for speed of turning, thus allowing you to select speed of ship and also a turning speed. A little clunky perhaps but who said flying internet spaceships should be easy?
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It seems this will be mostly gimmicky unless they decide to introduce skill-based shooting, which they can't under current game/server architecture.
As long as all your weapons are still dice rolls auto locked on targets the maneuvering thing will be fun for just a few people.
I foresee much rage for smaller ship pilots trying to pull off precise things for ranges of kiting and tackling and being flummoxed by the 1 sec delays.
Then again not having to click like mad in empty space and just turn in the direction you want might be very nice *shrug*
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The biggest practical use I see for this right now is making bumping a moving target somewhat easier.
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One reason WASD works in STO is the relatively slow velocity and turning speed of the ships in that game. Trying to manually pilot with just those keys at MWD speed is going to be pretty difficult in any kind of combat situation. I think it will have a few niche uses that people have already mentioned, but for the most part will only be useful when just flying around "for fun."
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One reason WASD works in STO is the relatively slow velocity and turning speed of the ships in that game. Trying to manually pilot with just those keys at MWD speed is going to be pretty difficult in any kind of combat situation. I think it will have a few niche uses that people have already mentioned, but for the most part will only be useful when just flying around "for fun."
Ding!
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i thought the idea was to have fun in this game, or i'm in the wrong game?
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Apparently
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i thought the idea was to have fun in this game, or i'm in the wrong game?
Patch Notes:
The manual flight controls have been updated to only function if you make spaceship noises out loud while using the WASD keys.
WOOOOOOOSH
PEW PEW PEW PEW
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As long as they let me keep navigating via clicks, I'm all for it. Most of my friends who have tried the game say that the biggest hurdle for them was the flight style. A few unsubbed specifically for that reason.
I think that as pilots gain more experience they will learn which situations are better suited for what flight styles. I could never fly my Garmur via keypresses, but it's a great way for a newbie in his/her first Kestrel to have one less step to overcome.
Also the uses stated above.
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One reason WASD works in STO is the relatively slow velocity and turning speed of the ships in that game. Trying to manually pilot with just those keys at MWD speed is going to be pretty difficult in any kind of combat situation. I think it will have a few niche uses that people have already mentioned, but for the most part will only be useful when just flying around "for fun."
Speaking as an on-again/off-again STO player particularly adept in keeping his Excelsior-class alive against Borg cubes, WASD is incredibly useful in STO because you're dealing with four shield grids (bow, stern, port, starboard). You turn the ship in order to keep hostile fire away from shield grids about to fail, giving yourself time to repair. In EVE, there's no such utility purpose since we have "one" shield grid. So yeah, I agree that it's entirely intended "for fun."