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General Discussion => General Non-RP EVE Discussion => Topic started by: kalaratiri on 23 May 2012, 07:58
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfig0zMvLZ0&feature=g-user-u
First 32 teams have been drawn.
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=72777
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Yay, we're in.
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When I read most of those alliance names, I can only /facepalm. Does that mean that I am a RP bittervet or just a mysanthropist ?
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Super good luck to you.
Just remember don't take shit from anyone criticizing your ships or fits unless they've been there under the stage lights.
And 5v5 qualifying and the main event are worlds apart. Good luck.
If you are running your team feel free to hit me up. I ran our team last year only losing a few ships for the entirety of qualifying and then got massacred in the big show, so my perspective is limited, but might be helpful ;)
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I recall watching last year as we (Ushra'Khan) rolled through the qualifying and then got curbstomped (same group as PL and Hyrda FTL), while better teams (rote kapelle) didn't get such easy qualifying opponents and (iirc) didn't get through. That made me sadfaec.
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I recall watching last year as we (Ushra'Khan) rolled through the qualifying and then got curbstomped (same group as PL and Hyrda FTL), while better teams (rote kapelle) didn't get such easy qualifying opponents and (iirc) didn't get through. That made me sadfaec.
Aye... so many sensor damps... *shudder* *flashback*. ....
Was rooting for you all as well.
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Not sure if you guys saw this, but they are preemptively booting (https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=112975&find=unread) teams who they believe to be cooperating as "A and B" components of a single overarching team, a la Hydra Reloaded and Outbreak last year. Red vs Blue almost got caught, as they had signed up as two competing teams; ultimately CCP decided allow them to compete as a single team, considering they had signed up with the explicit intent to compete against each other.
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Red vs Blue almost got caught, as they had signed up as two competing teams; ultimately CCP decided allow them to compete as a single team, considering they had signed up with the explicit intent to compete against each other.
Does flying against each other all the time on TQ count as training together?
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Don't think so; PvP strategy (and especially RvB PvP) is so far removed from what makes a solid tournament strategy that it's a completely different beast.
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\o/ Rote made it in!
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So both Hydra Reloaded and Outbreak. got removed? They got the chance to enter as two separate entities but apparently just HAD to meta-game. Sheesh. And, of course, fools are already overlooking that CCP gave them a chance.
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Hydra, Outbreak, and some PL alt alliance.
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SNIGGWAFFE, from YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT alliance are the PL alt corp, and widely known to be so. In fact, they couldn't be more blatant (one of the larger PL corps is named Sniggardly). PL themselves are still allowed to enter.
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So both Hydra Reloaded and Outbreak. got removed? They got the chance to enter as two separate entities but apparently just HAD to meta-game. Sheesh. And, of course, fools are already overlooking that CCP gave them a chance.
Its dumb yeah, but CCP played it dumb as well. CCP have publicly embraced the 'its *good* to metagame' and 'metagaming and fucking people over is what eve is all about' philosophy, applauding instances of unsportmanship-like behaviour, bribery and corruption. As an organizer and company responsible for the game, that's dumb. Even if you *allow* such behaviour, you should at least appear to encourage fair play. Maybe take a look at FIFA, plenty of corruption etc. there, but if they publicly come out supporting such, then they won't have long to live. The illusion of fair play needs to be kept intact at least. That was the biggest failure of Hydra Reloaded and Outbreak last tournament and for the training of this tournament. They were way too obvious and blatant about it, acting like it was perfectly ok.
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1369384#post1369384
places auction was going so well nobody bid for the last slot :lol:
[16:57:12] CCP Loxy > last auction slot will be Sunday at 23:00 UTC
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You guy's have got it wrong re: YVDC. That's Snigg's recruitment corp, and doesn't (read: almost never) even fly with PL. Most of Sniggwaffe can be found yarring around lowsec while PL is playing :Titans: in 0.0. You can be in Sniggwaffe for a loooong time before being let in to Sniggerdly.
As far as I know, they don't share comms, intel, or even FCs. Only the CEO/directors have alts in Sniggerdly, to my knowledge.
YVDC isn't trusted by PL (because of the sheer amount of spies/awoxers who are let in), and – while I'm not a Snigg member – I bet both sides were itching to be pitted against each-other in the Tourny, for the sole purpose of proving themselves against the other in a no-holds-barred beatdown.
Regarding Hydra/0utbreak...I think banning both of them was a little harsh, given that a senior GM had cleared their practices without consulting the Alliance Team. Also, since they're the Defending Champion and Runner Up, respectively. But yeah, they weren't exactly doing it by the book, and really ought to have known better. But all the same, one of them ought to be allowed in.
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CCP seems to be taking the tact that any major link between alliances in the AT - even if they are not explicitly cooperating or coordinating in the tournament, is grounds for removal of one team. So, whether PL viewed YVDC as an alt alliance or merely a more readily available pool for more selective recruitment, they were out.
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On one hand, I do feel a tiny little bit of sympathy for Hydra and Outbreak. On the other hand, I really don't feel all that much at all. They were quite happily pushing the envelope, and the envelope got returned. Were I them, I would have kept 15 systems away from the other team, and to hell with practicing "against each other".
I mean, if you know CCP is not happy with you, and you know that the rule is there specifically for and because of you, do you then try to go ahead and do remotely shady things anyway? Apparently so, but really, who didn't see this coming?
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What I find weird is that CCP always encourage and endorse all the worse tricks and metagame in their game, and at the same time seem surprised to see that people do it with their official events too. Not to say that I find one of the other reprehensible, but I find this a little bit schyzophrenic, at best.
Now though, all these alliances actually looked for it and got kicked according to CCP new policies. Fools. Always somebody to prods the limits, they remind me of animals continuously testing the electrified fence around even if it is obviously dangerous.
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What I find weird is that CCP always encourage and endorse all the worse tricks and metagame in their game,
Once in a while they punish it – recall that they booted most of a wormhole alliance for abusing an exploit that gave their ships max range and tracking, making for some very scary blaster boats.
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Well, they always punish exploits, but not metagaming. And here its mostly about metagaming agreements no ?
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What I find weird is that CCP always encourage and endorse all the worse tricks and metagame in their game,
Once in a while they punish it – recall that they booted most of a wormhole alliance for abusing an exploit that gave their ships max range and tracking, making for some very scary blaster boats.
I remember that! Max range 100% wrecking shots for every shot fired. Very nasty. I think R&K eventually took them to school regardless... there's a long video out there somewhere about the campaign...
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Eh, clarion call 3 was not as good as I hoped. It does show them beating AHARM, but only after being taken apart by their 'supergun' fleet the first time they tried. And it was far more of a propaganda vid than it should have been. Anatomy of a fight, showing the details of their carrier tactics was far better for rooks and kings :)
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I remember that! Max range 100% wrecking shots for every shot fired. Very nasty. I think R&K eventually took them to school regardless... there's a long video out there somewhere about the campaign...
R&K only started winning fights in the home WH of AHARM after CCP fixed the exploit they were using.
CC3 was garbage in comparison to CC1-2, didn't show anything really exciting, or new, only that they lie about the numbers they had, I recall a fight where they are vague about the ships they have on the field, and then found a KM from that very fight and it turns out they had somewhere along the lines of 20+ Strat cruisers in on it. vs few subcaps, they were never really in danger, despite the video making it seem like death lurked around every corner.
ANYWAYS, back to AT 10, funny to see how little the last slots went for, CVA made it in at last call, good job, good luck to all. Should be some good fights this year.
I'm surprised there is no Star Fraction entry.
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I'm surprised there is no Star Fraction entry.
SF seems to be pretty quiet atm. Haven't heard from them in a while.
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We've been seeing a little bit of them in the warzone in the past couple weeks.
Actually, that raises the question - are ANY of the alliances in AT10 militia alliances?
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First one since the 2nd we haven't entered :(
Truthfully though a lot of us lost faith with the tourmanent last time round - the way the finals turned into a metagaming-fest ending in an embarrassing televised circle-jerk made it seem a waste of time. In addition does seem that as the tournament has become more and more serious business with huge multi trillion isk prizes for the winners the cost of entry (in terms of effort and practise time) has become far greater than a small alliance can successfully manage.
Add that to the current state of SF (not very big at all) and the reality that we probably couldn't find 10 people to form a team let alone make 20 for in-alliance practise ment an entry would be a complete waste of isk.
Still, I wish I was fighting. Makes me sad we're not there.
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Rawr
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Actually, that raises the question - are ANY of the alliances in AT10 militia alliances?
Percussive Pizza Time Diplomacy has a lot of ex-FDU pilots in it, but no, I don't think any of the AT10 alliances are currently in FW.
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In addition does seem that as the tournament has become more and more serious business with huge multi trillion isk prizes for the winners the cost of entry (in terms of effort and practise time) has become far greater than a small alliance can successfully manage.
For that matter, the actual isk cost is a huge barrier as well. We spent 51b total on setups, not to mention the entry fee and roughly 22b on the auction to get in. So in total we dropped nearly 75b on the tournament this time around. Some of that will come back to us as we liquidate unused hardwirings and ships that we had purchased in preparation of a run all the way to the final, but figure acutal expenditures will probably balance out around 65b. That's not an insignificant amount of isk for a small alliance.
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In addition does seem that as the tournament has become more and more serious business with huge multi trillion isk prizes for the winners the cost of entry (in terms of effort and practise time) has become far greater than a small alliance can successfully manage.
For that matter, the actual isk cost is a huge barrier as well. We spent 51b total on setups, not to mention the entry fee and roughly 22b on the auction to get in. So in total we dropped nearly 75b on the tournament this time around. Some of that will come back to us as we liquidate unused hardwirings and ships that we had purchased in preparation of a run all the way to the final, but figure acutal expenditures will probably balance out around 65b. That's not an insignificant amount of isk for a small alliance.
Yeah that is a lot really. I don't think SF ever really spent more than 10b isk tops for our runs total. It really has shown the difference between the little guys and the huge power houses. I think Rote is somewhere in the middle of potential tournament competitors but even you are massively outclassed in the isk spending ability of the nullsec alliances.
Do you get the impression it was a reasonable spend for the advertising and public image benefits you got this time around though?
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Goddamn. That quad Vindi match.
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Do you get the impression it was a reasonable spend for the advertising and public image benefits you got this time around though?
Yes. And more still for pilot morale. It keeps our bittervet crew interested and it promotes a sense of teamwork and fellowship that you can't get running small gangs around Syndicate. And to be fair, we could have gotten away with spending a lot less, but we got an unbelievable amount of isk donated to us by our members for the tournament fund, so we decided since we had it, we might as well spend it. We splurged on full 6% hardwires for the PL match and 5% for all the rest, which was the bulk of our expenses.