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EVE-Online RP Discussion and Resources => CCP Public Library => Topic started by: Saede Riordan on 01 Nov 2010, 11:01
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chronicle (http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=01-11-10)
oh now that was just plain awesome.
also, Seri's gonna cream himself when he reads that.
also, "that hellish thing" is the Caldari methods of torture machine, C/D?
also, the suits were maybe Dominations?
also, the artwork for this great, its good to know that the sort of mining outposts I wrote as existing on Utopia III actually exist.
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The mention of archaea caught my attention, and now it's burning a hole in it. Coupled with what we know about Jovians' methods of ship-building... bacteria that affect metal? Yes please.
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The question comes is if its a naturally occurring microorganism or some old remains of the old Jovian Empire that was floating through space.
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What do you see that links the MiBs to the Dominations (or to the Cartel in general)?
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What do you see that links the MiBs to the Dominations (or to the Cartel in general)?
I'm assuming this:
1. Mention of Sansha, and
2. Mention of "giving information to competitors".
Sansha, Angels, competitors... it was a thought that crossed my mind as well.
Also, the name of the chronicle was was fascinating.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desert_Fathers
I wonder if that is significant (http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=11-04-07), or merely interesting (http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=18-10-10).
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Given that CCP Abraxas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraxas) (Hjalti) wrote the chronicle, I'd surmise that it has significance of some sort.
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What do you see that links the MiBs to the Dominations (or to the Cartel in general)?
I'm assuming this:
1. Mention of Sansha, and
2. Mention of "giving information to competitors".
Sansha, Angels, competitors... it was a thought that crossed my mind as well.
Also, the name of the chronicle was was fascinating.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desert_Fathers
I wonder if that is significant (http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=11-04-07), or merely interesting (http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=18-10-10).
also the location, its nullsec south, fairly close to Sansha space but clearly not actually in Sansha space. So that would mean...angels.
could also be working for a capsuleer though. we'll see.
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The question comes is if its a naturally occurring microorganism or some old remains of the old Jovian Empire that was floating through space.
Why does it have to be either/or? :bear:
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So... hanging long-limbs, furriers, and now these little buggers... who says there are no aliens in Eve.
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There's no other sentient life in Eve, the devs have previously made that pretty clear, and in my opinion that's a good thing.
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The question comes is if its a naturally occurring microorganism or some old remains of the old Jovian Empire that was floating through space.
Why does it have to be either/or? :bear:
If it's both it would open an interesting history route along the Jovian's technical development.
I would be inclined to think the masters of information would keep such naturally occuring specimens far away from contemporary reach.
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If it's both it would open an interesting history route along the Jovian's technical development.
I would be inclined to think the masters of information would keep such naturally occuring specimens far away from contemporary reach.
Well, something did bring about the end of multiple Jove Empires. The Rogue Drones are building Jove-like structures, Sansha (apparently) has a Jove battle station, and The Burning Life talks about grown Jove structures...
...just saying it's rather intriguing.
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also, Seri's gonna cream himself when he reads that.
Where? I don't see it!! :(
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The mention of archaea caught my attention, and now it's burning a hole in it. Coupled with what we know about Jovians' methods of ship-building... bacteria that affect metal? Yes please.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaea#Significance_in_technology_and_industry
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaea#Mutualism
So Istvaan, how much do you know about Rogue Drones and Sleepers?
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I've never stepped very deeply into the Sleeper/Sansha storyline, but I have a theory that I'd like to put forward in light of Random's comment and links. This may have been articulated before, but as I said, I haven't really followed things closely.
[theory]
Rogue drones, sleepers, Sansha, and the Jove act like the elements of an adaptive immune system. As a whole, they seem to treat hostility itself as a disease or cancer to be eradicated from the body of humanity.
This immune system was relatively dormant for the first few years of the Empyrean Age, but was watching closely everything that happened in YC110 (to include what happened with the Insorum the drones were protecting for Shakor) and it just got fed up (remember how disappointed the Jove were when the Caldari and Gallente turned out to still harbor "primitive" warlike tendencies). So over several months they put together their little multidimensional door-breaching operation with isogen-5 (i.e. pixie dust/red matter) bombs planted around key gravity anchors in k-space and w-space (like Seylinn). When those blew, they switched on the full immune reaction sequence by waking up the sleepers (the long-lived memory cells of the system) and giving them a link to k-space (opening up the lymph nodes). The rogue drones play the role of helper T cells and B cells and are now working with the sleepers and Jove to propagate a new clutch of killer T cells or antibodies in the form of the resurgent Sansha menace.
In this metaphor, the "uplifted" millions are immunized cells. The trembling masses of the cluster, driven to terrific fear of increasing Sansha incursions, actually constitute the body to be saved by this system.
Capsuleers and resistant conventional forces are viruses or cancerous cells that must be eliminated.
And somewhere in w-space there's some drone/sleeper/Sansha/Jove Übermensch musing thus as he considers the state of New Eden:
I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal in this cluster instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism in this universe that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this cluster. You're a plague and we are the cure.
The ultimate question that this theorizing leads me to is whether the disease is conventional (and the immune system is doing a good thing) or if it is in fact an autoimmune condition and the system meant to save the body is actually tearing it apart.
[/theory]
EDIT: I posted before really thinking about whether this was fully applicable to the thread. This post could definitely derail the discussion, which is supposed to be about the chron. If mods would like to split it, that's cool.
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stuff
Gottii actually kinda had the idea that the Jovians gave the cluster capsuleer technology as a means of countering the oncoming Sansha threat. Since capsuleers are powerful, immortal, random, and above all independent and hard to control, they seem to be an ideal anti-Sansha immune system.
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Were that true, then why are capsuleers destroying more lives daily in the cluster, than what Nation has uplifted over the course of several months?
While that can be a completely justifiable sense of perception to capsuleers who can't dare think of themselves being the greatest threat to the safety of the cluster, the reality to the whole picture far from that simple.
Edit: Oh, and Ken... as I haven't commented it in public, I think that's a very interesting analogy there. :)
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So, Arvo, what do you know about Ice? :yar:
You think you fear us, but we would be the tools of your salvation if you allow us. You know, sitting in your goo-filled pod, coupled to machinery, data jacked directly into your brain, segregated from your parent society by your experiences and unique opportunities that WE DO NOT BELONG HERE.
The fate of the Jovians proves this. The Sanshas prove it. The Drones prove it. The Caldari State proves it. The Amarrian Empire proves it. CONCORD proves it. We brought our old wars and conflicts to this place, and have been rejected by it. The destiny of mankind in the Eve Cluster is marked by the empty tombs of the Sleepers, the Takmahl, the Talocan, and the Yan Jung. Their ghosts reach out from the past to claim us.
Our hope for salvation lies with the Eve Gate. When we are purged, when we are worthy, the Eve Gate shall free us from this place, and those of us whose spirits survive this place shall go forth to our homelands, to redemption.
But first we must free ourselves from the institutions that make us unworthy. First we must declare with one voice that we are ready for deliverence.
Would you like to play a game? :twisted:
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Sure.
But you're only proving a point I only just made to Ken. ;)
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Sure.
But you're only proving a point I only just made to Ken. ;)
Never said you were right or wrong... only that perhaps you should look a little deeper. It may not make sense at first. :bear:
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It may not make sense at first.
I move that this be made the official tagline of EVE. Can you make that happen?
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It may not make sense at first.
I move that this be made the official tagline of EVE. Can you make that happen?
Wait, what?
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It may not make sense at first.
I move that this be made the official tagline of EVE. Can you make that happen?
Seconded.
(http://img813.imageshack.us/img813/6238/ztl5d.jpg)
It's basically the entire Sleeper story arc.
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It may not make sense at first.
I move that this be made the official tagline of EVE. Can you make that happen?
/signed
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The mention of archaea caught my attention, and now it's burning a hole in it. Coupled with what we know about Jovians' methods of ship-building... bacteria that affect metal? Yes please.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaea#Significance_in_technology_and_industry
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaea#Mutualism
So Istvaan, how much do you know about Rogue Drones and Sleepers?
Aside from my humble stories, nothing. I just figured something like sentient AI was an inevitable consequence of human desire for artificial servitude. We're addicted to technology and laziness - AI is inescapable :F
Oh - they can also infest living tissue. That could certainly explain how they got a hold of Jove station BPOs - they just ran off a copy.
edit: ooooooohhhh...
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You think you fear us, but we would be the tools of your salvation if you allow us. You know, sitting in your goo-filled pod, coupled to machinery, data jacked directly into your brain, segregated from your parent society by your experiences and unique opportunities that WE DO NOT BELONG HERE.
The fate of the Jovians proves this. The Sanshas prove it. The Drones prove it. The Caldari State proves it. The Amarrian Empire proves it. CONCORD proves it. We brought our old wars and conflicts to this place, and have been rejected by it. The destiny of mankind in the Eve Cluster is marked by the empty tombs of the Sleepers, the Takmahl, the Talocan, and the Yan Jung. Their ghosts reach out from the past to claim us.
Our hope for salvation lies with the Eve Gate. When we are purged, when we are worthy, the Eve Gate shall free us from this place, and those of us whose spirits survive this place shall go forth to our homelands, to redemption.
But first we must free ourselves from the institutions that make us unworthy. First we must declare with one voice that we are ready for deliverence.
Where's that from (or adapted from)?
When I looked, I found no references to it or segments of it, so I'm inclined to say that it's your own creation, but hey, might as well ask and make sure.
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Where's that from (or adapted from)?
When I looked, I found no references to it or segments of it, so I'm inclined to say that it's your own creation, but hey, might as well ask and make sure.
There was an old EoM corp a few years ago, they sort of appeared and then dropped off the map.
https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/Josan%20Alfuano