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General Discussion => General Non-RP EVE Discussion => Topic started by: Katrina Oniseki on 02 Oct 2013, 11:56
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=283120
HERE THEY ARE
I think we will have a lot of discussion here, these ships will be great for a lot of different things meaning people will be trying to tug them in a few different directions. That's fine!
What we're shooting for is ships that are themed around exploration and therefor make good platforms for a range of activities including probing, hacking, exploration combat sites, anoms, killing anom runners, spying on people, looking super sexy and generally being kind of awesome.
We're supporting that model with things like:
Covert cloaks
Exploration role bonuses
Drone and laser weapon systems with large cargo and drone bays so that you don't have to go home often
Extremely high ship agility
And more!
Anyways you guys can toy around with these specs and let me know what we missed or what you think would be better and I'll try to make everyone happy (which is usually easy).
Thanks!
Astero
Role Bonus: 100% reduction in CPU requiement for cloaks
Role Bonus: 37.5% increase Scan Prob Strength (maybe this should be a rounder number? right now it follows the t1 bonus)
Role Bonus: +5 Virus strength for Relic and Data Analyzers
Can fit Cover Ops Cloaking devices
Amarr Frigate Bonus:
4% bonus to Armor Resists
Gallente Frigate Bonus:
10% bonus to Drone hitpoints and tracking speed
Slot layout: 2H, 4M, 4L; 2 turrets, 0 launchers
Fittings: 32 PWG, 170 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 540 / 600 / 600
Capacitor (amount) : 430
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 312 / 2.87 / 975000 / 3.88s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 25 / 75
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 37km / 620 / 6
Sensor strength: 13
Signature radius: 35
Cargo Capacity: 210
Stratios
Role Bonus: 50% reduction in Energy Turret capacitor need
Role Bonus: 37.5% increase Scan Prob Strength (maybe this should be a rounder number? right now it follows the t1 bonus)
Role Bonus: +5 Virus strength for Relic and Data Analyzers
Can fit Cover Ops Cloaking devices
Amarr Cruiser Bonus:
4% bonus to Armor Resists
Gallente Cruiser Bonus:
10% bonus to Drone hitpoints and damage
Slot layout: 5H, 5M, 5L; 4 turrets, 0 launchers
Fittings: 920 PWG, 400 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 1950 / 2400 / 2450
Capacitor (amount) : 1700
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 182 / .47 / 9350000 / 6.09s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 125 / 500
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 55km / 275 / 7
Sensor strength: 20
Signature radius: 150
Cargo Capacity: 550
PICTURES (Sorry don't have in-client shots yet) (http://imgur.com/a/NE3WQ)
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(http://l-userpic.livejournal.com/81135798/786745)
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2 highslots on the frigate, and one of them is going to be used by the cloak...
I can't help but feel a 3/3/4 layout works better, or even a 3/4/3
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It's got a giant dronebay, doesn't it?
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I want the cruiser...for when I start doing the exploring thing at some point.
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I suspect that's the remaining PvE/PvP dichotomy they want speaking there.
i.e., you can fit cloak/probes and do your PvE, but your only DPS is going to be via drones (which, to point out, has huge bay and bandwidth for a T1 frigate and will present a nice chunk of DPS on its own). Or you can fit turrets and do a bit of extra damage, at the cost of not being a really effective explorer.
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I suppose you should be able to fit a DDA in the lows and go with a 5 light drone offence, it just doesn't quite sit comfortably with me to have your entire offence be Drone based with no secondary system.
That said I've probably forgotten how good 5 bonused light drones actually are.
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THIS IS A FORMAL DECLARATION OF 'DIBS'
ALL THE SOE SHIPS NOW BELONG TO ME
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NO TAKEBACKS >:V
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Why, this looks like the ship for grand adventure into the unknown!
(cue Star Trek theme)
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2 highslots on the frigate, and one of them is going to be used by the cloak...
I can't help but feel a 3/3/4 layout works better, or even a 3/4/3
Notice the bonuses. No capacitor modifier for turrets like Big Sis. I wouldn't even put weapons on that beauty. It's not designed for a stand up fight; it sits back, lets the drones have fun. Big Sis (or Sisters) let the big guns come to bear on anything Little Sis can't handle.
They're ships of peaceful exploration that have enough teeth to get to their prize.
Anyone suggests this be bastardized into a frontline combat ship will face my wrath. WRATH I TELL YOU!
:cube:
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2 highslots on the frigate, and one of them is going to be used by the cloak...
I can't help but feel a 3/3/4 layout works better, or even a 3/4/3
Notice the bonuses. No capacitor modifier for turrets like Big Sis. I wouldn't even put weapons on that beauty. It's not designed for a stand up fight; it sits back, lets the drones have fun. Big Sis (or Sisters) let the big guns come to bear on anything Little Sis can't handle.
They're ships of peaceful exploration that have enough teeth to get to their prize.
Anyone suggests this be bastardized into a frontline combat ship will face my wrath. WRATH I TELL YOU!
:cube:
of Khan?
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Pretty sure these are your new "scan for juicy target in deadspace and tackle" frigates.
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of Khan?
[spoiler]I prefer the name "John Harrison".[/spoiler]
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The cruiser is going to get changed, I'd put ISK on it.
At present it can hit over 1k DPS with Heavy Neutrons and drones. Expect a bandwidth and/or turret slot nerf (probably both). At the moment it's a cloaky Navy Exequeror with slightly slower damage application that is more than made up for in the presence of the cov ops cloak.
If it doesn't get changed, I, for one, welcome our new ubiquitous solo PVP ship. The thing will be s.i.c.k. for BLOPs drops as well.
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of Khan?
[spoiler]I prefer the name "John Harrison".[/spoiler]
Fixed that for you. :lol:
(Kidding.)
I'll wait until I get to play with these things on Sisi before I make any calls on being OP or not, I think.
Having to go through an LP store to get them (presumably) should put a bit of a clamp on the supply for the average user; people will have to go to nullsec/lowsec to do the missions (good luck with that for most people) or the single L4 sec agent in Osmon, or they'll be paying through the nose for the things on the market.
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http://interstellarprivateer.wordpress.com/2013/10/03/it-may-not-make-sense-at-first/
An excellent, semi-conspiracy type post about the possible reasons behind the names of the Sister's ships. The Abraxas tweets at the end more or less confirm most of it.
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Also. (https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3686555#post3686555)
A small change in the original post - The Astero has 20% drone hp per level, not 10% drone hp/tracking. This was actually just a mistake I made when copying the post over by grabbing an older version of the bonuses. Sorry about that.
In general there's a lot of good feedback coming in already of course and I'm already imagining and beginning to discuss version two with the CSM and Fozzie etc. (looking closely at the drone bandwidth/bay, CPU situation and hacking capability of the cruiser especially) but I want to give plenty of time for us to think it through and let you guys discuss in detail before any changes are made.
In the mean time keep the feedback coming and we'll give you updates as they come.
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http://interstellarprivateer.wordpress.com/2013/10/03/it-may-not-make-sense-at-first/
An excellent, semi-conspiracy type post about the possible reasons behind the names of the Sister's ships. The Abraxas tweets at the end more or less confirm most of it.
It makes more sense if you realize the dichotomy between the SoE and SoCT. Look at the design of the ship, what the SoE are after, and how that differs/compares to the SoCT's goals and their ship design.
Compare the Gnosis design philosophy to that of the Astero/Stratios. Compare the Astero and Stratios with Sleeper ships.
Rhavas pretty much points out the surface of it all, but misses one very important piece of the puzzle:
The Zephyr and the short story Ante.
Interesting side note: Did you know that the symbol for Gnosticism is also the symbol for Earth? :bear:
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Nah, I didn't forget. I had already covered it in the previous post.
http://wp.me/pZAhv-WS
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Nah, I didn't forget. I had already covered it in the previous post.
http://wp.me/pZAhv-WS
Hadn't seen that, I was going solely by the linked article. :)
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Sweet looking ships. Can not wait to get my grubby hands on them. :D
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Alright, after a lot of feedback and discussion I'm going to share what will likely be the last set of tweaks to the Stratios and Astero before launch.
We feel that while there are significant weaknesses in the cruiser that do balance it against major abuse, it's simply too strong in its current state. The combination of the covert cloak, black ops portal access and extremely high damage potential make for a ship that does a bit more than we are comfortable with. To tone it down slightly we are going to lower the drone bandwidth to 100mb/s and the drone bay to 400m3.
The ship will still have very high damage potential and will certainly still be very powerful overall.
This also makes me feel better about some other small changes that improve the ship, so we'll also be increasing the virus strength bonus to +10 and changing the laser cap use bonus to a medium energy turret optimal range bonus of 50%. We will also extend the virus strength bonus to the Astero.
Please post with feedback, but keep in mind that these changes are made after processing tons of feedback from the forums, my visit to EVE Vegas and a lot of internal discussion.
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Bleh. I hate underflights of drones. I would prefer a lower damage bonus. 8% would give the same effect.
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Bleh. I hate underflights of drones. I would prefer a lower damage bonus. 8% would give the same effect.
Yeah, this tbh.
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Yeah, this tbh.
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After further thought, I have come to realize that a lower damage bonuses nerfs light and medium drones too, not just the heavies/sentries. By lowering the drone bandwidth, they have made it so only the highest levels of battleship damage are capped off.
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FYI these are on Sisi now, and available in seeded markets and the SOE LP store.
Astero BPC (1R) - 30,000 LP - 15,000,000 ISK
Astero Hull (1) - 100,000 LP - 10,000,000 ISK
Stratios BPC (1R) - 120,000 LP - 30,000,000 ISK
Stratios Hull (1) - 300,000 LP - 20,000,000 ISK
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Hm...if those prices stand i had far less ships in lp than i thought...back to the grind!
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120k LP? Dear god those will get seeded on the market fast.
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New Dev Blog.
Hey guys!
I’m here to tell you about some brand new ships coming to EVE Online in the next free expansion: Rubicon, which is now less than a month away!
I’m sure many of you know a lot about them already, whether you heard us talk about them at EVE Vegas, on our expansion announcement stream (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9ExTsv1pMQ), or read about them in the Features and Ideas forum thread (https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=283120&find=unread) where we’ve laid out all the details, but this blog should collect all the important information in one place while shedding some light on their development as an added bonus!
So, without more delay, let me introduce you to the Astero and the Stratios:
(http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/65341/1/SOE_both.png)
In a nutshell, this is a new ‘pirate faction’ ship line from the Sisters of EVE. It combines Amarr and Gallente skills and has a strong focus on exploration and self-reliance in hostile space.
Following off the strong exploration theme in Odyssey we really wanted to create a ship line that EVE’s explorers, both new and old, could be excited about. We were also inspired by the success of the Gnosis, which was introduced for EVE’s 10th anniversary and was generally well received due to its flexibility and accessbility.
So, if we whittle that down to a more specific set of goals it might look a bit like this:
- Appealing to solo explorers in all security bands of space
- Focused on sustainability and long deployments away from stations
- Capable in combat, whether in sites against NPCs or against other players
- Provides a lot of fitting versatility that translates into support for a range of play-styles and tasks
Let me go through point-by-point and tell you how we’re hoping to meet those goals.
Appealing to solo explorers in all security bands of space
This basically boils down to being able to compete with other popular exploration ships. We went full-on for this goal by not only giving both ships bonuses to scan probe strength and virus strength for relic and data analyzers, but also by giving them both the ability to use Covert Cloaks. If you aren’t familiar, Covert Cloaking Ops Device II is the only module that allows you to warp while cloaked, and before the introduction of the Astero and Stratios, you could only use one on certain tech 2 ship classes like Recons or Covert Ops Frigates. Access to these bonuses and capabilities goes a long way towards creating an exploration ship that can compete with Covert Ops frigates or even Tech 3 cruisers like the Tengu.
Focused on sustainability and long deployments away from stations
This goal is a large part of why we chose Amarr and Gallente as the contributing races for the Sisters of EVE ships. If you’re going to be out in space a long time without being able to refuel you want weapons that don’t rely on a lot of charges, and so with drones coming from Gallente and lasers coming from Amarr, you won’t have to worry. Both ships also have very large cargo and drone bays so you can hold even more loot before needing to find your way back to a hangar.
Capable in combat, whether in sites against NPCs or against other players
Now this is a goal I can get behind. The cloak gives these guys a leg-up to begin with, so we didn’t want to get too out of control, but substantial drone damage, an armor resist bonus on both ships and all of that backed up with pirate faction quality base stats makes both the Astero and the Stratios extremely mean fighters.
Provides a lot of fitting versatility that translates into support for a range of play-styles and tasks
Both ships have above average mid-slot allocation for ships with an armor bonus; 4 for the Astero and 5 for the Stratios. This means that they sacrifice some raw damage and tank potential but can easily field all the modules necessary for exploration. It also means that if they aren’t exploring, they have lots of room to field support mods, electronic warfare or even switch to shield tanks for more damage. This sort of flexibility is a big part of what makes the Gnosis so much fun and we’re excited to have more ships in the game with a similar versatility.
The end result is a very exciting new tool in the sandbox with tons of potential and we can’t wait to see how they get used in the wild. And again, if you want the nitty-gritty numbers head over to the feedback thread (https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=283120&find=unread) and dig in.
Alright CCP Rise I’m sold, how do I get one?!
Well, as you can see by this graph of LP awarded over the last three months by EVE’s biggest pirate factions, many of you already know the answer: Sisters of EVE Loyalty Points.
(http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/65341/1/factionLP.png)
Both of these ships will be on offer from all Servant Sisters of EVE corporations in the game, which means these will be the first ‘pirate faction’ ships available in high sec. This doesn’t come without a cost though. Only the Sanctuary Corporation, who are credited with actually creating the Stratios and Astero, will offer them at the normal pirate faction prices. If you get them from the Sisters of EVE Corporation in high security space get ready for a mark-up of up to 50%.
We hope you guys enjoy the new ships, and make sure to keep your eyes peeled following Rubicon, the Sisters of EVE may not be done giving us new toys quite yet…
- CCP Rise
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Hehehe circle thingies at the stern of the ships.
Now then, I hope they do not prove too powerful as combat ship or I fear they might eclipse a lot of true combat ships...
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inb4 everyone and I mean everyone in FW uses these. double or even triple td ships from hell with a cloak, now plexing without even a single effort or sense of danger. I wonder if current condor-pros go to 1337town with these.
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Hehehe circle thingies at the stern of the ships.
Jedi fighters design workshop FTW!
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inb4 everyone and I mean everyone in FW uses these. double or even triple td ships from hell with a cloak, now plexing without even a single effort or sense of danger. I wonder if current condor-pros go to 1337town with these.
Lol, thats actually a good question. I hadn't thought of how hilariously OP they would be in the context of facwar, with the Astero being able to enter novice plexes.
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I just looked up at the Stratios in EFT out of curiosity, and I hope these stats are not final because lolwut, 950 DPS with ogres, a covert ops cloak, 5 low slots and 5 med slots... And still 1700m/s with MWD. 550 DPS with med drones as well.
Compare that to a pilgrim... I hope they made a mistake on the drone capacity (125m3 bandwith, 500m3 dronebay).
The astero looks more reasonable, though still really tough. 170 DPS or so on... With a cov ops cloak as well ?
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They did drop the drone bandwith down. I think those are the old stats but yeah. Those are going to be nasty ships nevertheless.
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I just looked up at the Stratios in EFT out of curiosity, and I hope these stats are not final because lolwut, 950 DPS with ogres, a covert ops cloak, 5 low slots and 5 med slots... And still 1700m/s with MWD. 550 DPS with med drones as well.
Compare that to a pilgrim... I hope they made a mistake on the drone capacity (125m3 bandwith, 500m3 dronebay).
The astero looks more reasonable, though still really tough. 170 DPS or so on... With a cov ops cloak as well ?
Please share the whole setup.
The Gila has similar Cruiser bonuses (Caldari Cruiser: 4% Shields/Gallente Cruiser: 10% Drone HP & Damage). It is slower, but it has about 500 more hitpoints in Shields and Armor.
With 2 Drone Damage Amp IIs and 5 Ogre IIs, a Gila has a DPS of 701 (no other weapons). The Stratios should not do much better, unless the plan is to forgo any armor mods.
I do not think the Astero is nearly as reasonable as the Stratios. The current stats for the Astero it outperforms Ishkurs and Worms in terms of drone damage & quantity and is a capable exploration ship (but not quiet as good as a CovOps).
For FW, I think the Accel Gates will help to mitigate the cloak a bit. If someone wanted to sit in a Frigate or Cruiser complex in a cloaked Faction ship (like a Gila), they could do that already.
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Mostly the same than the Gila then, around 790 DPS with drones only, close to 940 with beams aside. 30k effective, that can go up to 40k without the XLASB. Gila is probably a lot tougher though. But the stratios has a cov ops cloak... @_@
[spoiler][Stratios, New Setup 1]
Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Co-Processor II
10MN Microwarpdrive I
Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 150
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption Script
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Focused Medium Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Ogre II x5
Hammerhead II x5[/spoiler]
Also, it is still possible to take an acceleration gate before a PLEX while remaining cloaked. I already did that countless times to hunt bombers farming missions with a rapier. It worked almost every time and pissed them off to no ends.
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If people are curious about how the Stratios and Astero will fare in PVP, they will be allowed in this weekend's SCL so you may get to see some in action.
Dunno how many teams will try or think to field any of them, though.
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I am pretty sure that those bandwith and dronebay numbers are insane and actually a lot lower in reality than on EFT, as Vince said above.
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I am pretty sure that those bandwith and dronebay numbers are insane and actually a lot lower in reality than on EFT, as Vince said above.
Dronebay is 400m3, bandwidth is 100mb for the Stratios, confirming this.
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Why would you fit Beam and field Ogres?
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Why would you fit Beam and field Ogres?
Beam + Ogres = Bogers.
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Why would you fit Beam and field Ogres?
Dunno I was just quickly looking at the damage potential. If I really wanted a long range setup I would probably have done otherwise than ogres. Wasn't it how Ishtars worked once though ?
Honestly it has been ages since I have not tried to do a serious fit. This one may not be serious.