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EVE-Online RP Discussion and Resources => EVE OOC Summit => Topic started by: Silas Vitalia on 21 Aug 2012, 12:16
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Just a bit of a minor pet-peeve,
I'd prefer RPers rolling new characters fresh off the boat to take some time to actually meet or interact with other characters before immediately 'hating' them, etc. A young woman in the summit yesterday whom I'd never even interacted with was full of plenty of IC bile and rage, which seemed a bit hard to justify IC in my opinion, having never met or spoken to the woman. IC bile I've got no issue with, but there's something to be said for believably establishing such feelings.
This character didn't seem to have an established 'you killed my baseliner family on that ship' sort of backstory, just what in my opinion was someone having outside issues and dumping them into a fresh alt. *shrug*
Have any of you encountered this sort of behavior in the past?
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If you're referring to Shria, a couple people (including at least one mod that I saw) told her to dial it back. Whether that stuck or not we'll find out. :P
A lot of new characters lately have come off as being exceedingly uppity for their age, and I agree it gets old pretty quick. :ugh:
Whether this is due to it being legitimately new-to-RP people just not 'getting EVE', or people who've just made new alts and are trying to start shit to be pains in the ass through the more-transparent-than-they-think veil of althood, I can't really say for certain, though.
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I forgot her name, didn't check the logs.
I wasn't requesting any special 'protection' or the like from any moderators, just found the interaction a bit silly.
You are correct with this behavior being annoying, however.
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I rarely go in the Summit myself (not just because I just recently got back in game: I avoided it for a good year before leaving the last time I had an active character). Yesterday I had a wonderful time RP'ing my character being bored and having fun discussing faith and other things. Then, someone comes in and randomly says something to the effect of "Your very existence is repugnant, I want to stab you in the face." Never met the person, never seen them before in-game, and it just didn't feel very nice.
My response? Mute. Problem over. I had a wonderful rest of the evening. I wouldn't have actually been in The Summit had it not been a wise thing to keep a public presence due to a request I made on IGS.
My alts are fairly obvious, for even more obvious reasons. I enjoy my characters, and I learned to just do what I do and not return the worst that I get.
That said, the Golden Rule usually applies. Would you rather someone point out your errors, or for them to commit the same aggravations upon you? The answer is probably obvious, but in the heat of the moment it's hard to see (and sometimes even in hindsight it can be hard, if not harder).
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Shria?
There was a string of young, female capsuleers who regarded Makkal as prudish. Admittedly, Makkal is quite prudish, but they seemed to know this without having interacted with her.
Otherwise, I've had the opposite happen. Characters who don't know Makkal or have reason to interact with her making sure to engage her and trying to make friends. This doesn't bother me.
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It's not an avoidance issue, it's just something I've noticed more of lately than in earlier iterations of these channels.
There's a lack of subtlety afoot.
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I'm not sure whether it's relevant in this case, but I imagine it would be quite possible for a new player or for a newly-graduated pilot to have strong and justified feelings about those older pilots who have extensive IGS presences.
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I'm not sure whether it's relevant in this case, but I imagine it would be quite possible for a new player or for a newly-graduated pilot to have strong and justified feelings about those older pilots who have extensive IGS presences.
I quite agree.
Silas:
Definitely agree, just sharing my own experiences. :D
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There's just an absolute minute amount of planning to do if you want to have a new character 'hate' someone in a believable manor.
While not ideal in my opinion I think there is plenty of ground to explore and plenty of valid reasons for a 'new' capsuleer to have it in for any of us (you killed my family when you ganked that freighter, you're famous and i hate everything about you, you're famous and I'm a psycho stalker, whatever)
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I'm not sure whether it's relevant in this case, but I imagine it would be quite possible for a new player or for a newly-graduated pilot to have strong and justified feelings about those older pilots who have extensive IGS presences.
Super correct, but there's doing this in a fun and intriguing way where we all have some good interaction, and then there's not.
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I'm not sure whether it's relevant in this case, but I imagine it would be quite possible for a new player or for a newly-graduated pilot to have strong and justified feelings about those older pilots who have extensive IGS presences.
From what I was watching last night, this was not the case, or at least it was heavily implied not to be.
The attitude would've been less "I'm just going to be uppity and argue because I can" if it were.
But yes, it's a valid option - if the person behind the character takes a few minutes to actually think it through. An "I'm just as big and important as all of you" attitude coming off of a character barely a week old is just... well. It's laughable, for starters.
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I have also observed the opposite situation on the Summit, where established characters will only engage other established characters and completely ignore new pilots to the channel. Even established players with alternate characters (who are new) will be engaged much more quickly than the unknowns. Some people do make the effort to engage everyone, but I watch the channel often and I find it rather disappointing when fresh faces make the effort and don't even get hello.
Mind you, I'm not trying to guilt anyone into interacting with people, but perhaps being mindful of this behavior will encourage some not to be so cliquish.
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Mind you, I'm not trying to guilt anyone into interacting with people, but perhaps being mindful of this behavior will encourage some not to be so cliquish.
But some of us are shy. :P
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But some of us are shy. :P
Well, you're (at least your character) certainly not one of them. You've been a rather vocal presence when I was around. :)
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I dunno, I try to say hello at least to anyone new coming through. Im actually LESS likely to acknowledge you if I happen to know you are an alt, mostly because I'm not a HUGE fan of RP alts. They have their purposes, of course, but... eh.
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I have also observed the opposite situation on the Summit, where established characters will only engage other established characters and completely ignore new pilots to the channel. Even established players with alternate characters (who are new) will be engaged much more quickly than the unknowns. Some people do make the effort to engage everyone, but I watch the channel often and I find it rather disappointing when fresh faces make the effort and don't even get hello.
Mind you, I'm not trying to guilt anyone into interacting with people, but perhaps being mindful of this behavior will encourage some not to be so cliquish.
Posts like this make me wish for a +1 button.
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Agreed, Casi, though there are a number of us (like Tib!) who do try to engage newer folks if possible.
... it's just a little difficult when they're acting... derpy.
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... A young woman in the summit yesterday whom I'd never even interacted with was full of plenty of IC bile and rage, which seemed a bit hard to justify IC in my opinion, having never met or spoken to the woman. IC bile I've got no issue with, but there's something to be said for believably establishing such feelings ...
Silas is active on IGS from what I have seen, so the IC feelings could easily come from interactions that have been observed on that forum or in other channels. Why should Silas, or any other character, have the opportunity to dispel what they have said or published before another character can make up their mind what their feelings are.
If Graanvlokkie ever met Silas, I have enough IC knowledge about her gathered over the last three years of IGS posts and other channel observations to have a very good opinion.
I don't think I need to meet someone in person to decide that I like/dislike them when there is ample public information available to inform that decision. We do this everyday when it comes to people in the press and celebrities.
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Have any of you encountered this sort of behavior in the past?
Yep.
I have also observed the opposite situation on the Summit, where established characters will only engage other established characters and completely ignore new pilots to the channel. Even established players with alternate characters (who are new) will be engaged much more quickly than the unknowns. Some people do make the effort to engage everyone, but I watch the channel often and I find it rather disappointing when fresh faces make the effort and don't even get hello.
Mind you, I'm not trying to guilt anyone into interacting with people, but perhaps being mindful of this behavior will encourage some not to be so cliquish.
This is mostly why I don't really like alts in Eve when it is about alts of established players - and said players do not want to reveal who they are. Nothing particularily wrong with that of course since it is often a way for a lot of people apparently to take a breath and try something new, but it tends to be annoying since most of these alts are 90% of the time disposable alts. I personnally find disposable alts often uninteresting for the very reason that the player is not really planning to play them seriously or long enough. And even if the character is interesting, it does not last long enough to actually become interesting with depth of personnality.
So, yes, it is not always very compelling to engage in discussions with alts, ESPECIALLY when it looks like the new whimsical alt of an established player that is unlikely to last very long. Which is twice more frustrating is that you can't sometimes tell them apart to real, actual and genuine new players.
Not that I have really avoided very hard to engage in discussions with new players. When my character is on a channel, she speaks and reacts to anybody as the logic dictates it.
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... A young woman in the summit yesterday whom I'd never even interacted with was full of plenty of IC bile and rage, which seemed a bit hard to justify IC in my opinion, having never met or spoken to the woman. IC bile I've got no issue with, but there's something to be said for believably establishing such feelings ...
Silas is active on IGS from what I have seen, so the IC feelings could easily come from interactions that have been observed on that forum or in other channels. Why should Silas, or any other character, have the opportunity to dispel what they have said or published before another character can make up their mind what their feelings are.
If Graanvlokkie ever met Silas, I have enough IC knowledge about her gathered over the last three years of IGS posts and other channel observations to have a very good opinion.
I don't think I need to meet someone in person to decide that I like/dislike them when there is ample public information available to inform that decision. We do this everyday when it comes to people in the press and celebrities.
This.
I never met Adolf Shitler. Fairly sure I wouldnt wait until I did to "make a judgement".
EDIT: Not saying Silas reminds me of him, nor that new characters should be as mouthy as they seem to be. Just saying it IS possible to know enough to make a judgement on things other than direct interaction.
Ava has never spoken directly to Rodj Blake. She's fairly sure she dosent like him :D
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I agree with those arguments; 'new' capsuleers absolutely can and probably would have pre-existing feelings towards any number of us before actually meeting. Not disputing this at all.
I think it's just a matter of presentation and how those things are handled conversationally in an RP manor that moves things along.
I absolutely could be 100% wrong but I got the distinct impression (a few others did) that this was more 'rageface' out of nowhere, and the thread was asking about people's experience with this (it's very common).
(http://alltheragefaces.com/img/faces/large/rage-mega-rage-l.png)
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I've never really encountered this situation before in RP.
Currently I'm not so much playing an alt as much as a fresh main so I just did a tabula rasa and even if I encounter characters I know of or have interacted with in the past I have to suspend that knowledge and play ignorant.
Maybe the situation has occurred to me more often but I just couldn't care enough about other people's problems and RP drama to make a note of it.